  Etthealien Member Username: Etthealien Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2007 |
So, I passed by St. Aubin street the other day, and saw there was a piece of property on sale. It is a little indented site on the edge of the scrapyard and only one block away from the Detroit Incinerator. Just by curiosity, I called the real estate agent and found out that it is zoned as a residential site. So, I was thinking what can the residential site do in order to attract people to live there? And the incinerator has been such a problem for Detroit, what can we do to solve this problem? Do you guys think that someone can actually take the opportunity of this residential site and make a difference to the surrounding area of the Incinerator? | ||
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81 Post Number: 1353 Registered: 11-2003 |
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Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed Post Number: 919 Registered: 02-2006 |
I wouldn't buy that property for a dollar. | ||
Etthealien Member Username: Etthealien Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2007 |
The exact address is: 5831 Saint Aubin St, Detroit, MI 48211-2642, United States | ||
Norwalk Member Username: Norwalk Post Number: 54 Registered: 11-2006 |
Try to take a deep breath of air in July on that lot. | ||
Rsa Member Username: Rsa Post Number: 1103 Registered: 10-2003 |
plans are for the incinerator to be closed down in 2009. here's the link for detroit's future solid waste management plan outlining the closure: http://www.ecocenter.org/Detro it_solid_waste_plan.pdf and don't worry too much about attracting people for that site, there are plans in the works for it's future: http://www.modeldmedia.com/dev elopmentnews/marsq64.aspx | ||
Jasoncw Member Username: Jasoncw Post Number: 355 Registered: 07-2005 |
The incinerator is getting closed down in a few years isn't it? I still don't think anyone would buy it though, lol. | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 822 Registered: 12-2006 |
Really nice area there. One completely burned down house, two more firebombed houses. All within the span of about 1/2 a block. A drive by on I-94 shows wonders about that area. No point in buying there, yet. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1650 Registered: 11-2003 |
Thanks for that link, Rsa. I've heard rumors that the incinerator will be shut down when the bonds run out in 2009, but that's the strongest evidence I've seen that it may actually happen. Still, a council task force recommendation isn't a guarantee, but it seems quite likely at this point. Great news. | ||
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch Post Number: 2230 Registered: 06-2004 |
Cross streets would be nice. | ||
Etthealien Member Username: Etthealien Post Number: 4 Registered: 04-2007 |
I agree that there is no point buying the property. I guess the question is that what can happen there in order to change the area? | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 824 Registered: 12-2006 |
Tear down the burned out housing, kill the incinerator. That would be a start. | ||
Rsa Member Username: Rsa Post Number: 1104 Registered: 10-2003 |
already starting to happen. the only thing missing right now is time. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 4323 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: You are going to want to build a ski hill on the incinerator site. Then the residential units will really start popping. (Message edited by Jelk on April 12, 2007) | ||
Detroite Member Username: Detroite Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2006 |
How do you make a former incinerator site buildable? | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 770 Registered: 10-2006 |
Point of information: they make the stacks on industrial facilities, such as the incinerator, tall, to spread the debris and fumes higher into the air. Opinion: Honestly I would be more concerned for those living on the far east side than those immediately next to the facility (except for the view that is). | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 1349 Registered: 12-2004 |
That area doesn't need infill, as the model D article says; it needs complete development. | ||
Iddude313 Member Username: Iddude313 Post Number: 61 Registered: 07-2005 |
Just looking at that map in that link makes me feel like i have asthma! yuk! I live in Midtown and when the winds shift east it smells like sweet putrid fish vinegar! Shut that thing down! Knock it all down but keep that smokestack. i really do love the smokestack though. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1585 Registered: 05-2005 |
quote: i live 5 blocks from it, it smells like rotten american cheese! | ||
Harsensis Member Username: Harsensis Post Number: 249 Registered: 07-2005 |
Paging Bullet...any pictures of all of the burned out house across the street from this lot? Just hang a left of St Aubin and you can take the expressway back. | ||
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet Post Number: 264 Registered: 01-2007 |
Harsensis, sorry this took so long to respond. I have been busy working on the crib. But I got a minute now, and after some searching I found some crappy photos of the lot for sale, and the area around it. Here ya go Etthealien: http://farm1.static.flickr.com /179/458371507_4743775c8e_b.jp g http://farm1.static.flickr.com /247/458371477_c878a0a0b5_b.jp g http://farm1.static.flickr.com /203/458371471_0e734b87a5_b.jp g http://farm1.static.flickr.com /251/458371469_96613c88fa_b.jp g http://farm1.static.flickr.com /200/458367125_fbb0bda1ce_b.jp g http://farm1.static.flickr.com /226/458367117_e105bfb26e_b.jp g http://farm1.static.flickr.com /239/458367105_48cf75a272_b.jp g http://farm1.static.flickr.com /184/458367101_a574bfc7f4_b.jp g Bonus Photo! Defunct Detroit Gas Stations: http://farm1.static.flickr.com /223/458367111_c024b97d31_b.jp g http://farm1.static.flickr.com /252/458367099_ff68de5138_b.jp g | ||
Treelock Member Username: Treelock Post Number: 204 Registered: 03-2005 |
A putrid, sour odor. I remember it well. | ||
Harsensis Member Username: Harsensis Post Number: 251 Registered: 07-2005 |
I drove through there today and it seems like there are quite a few houses in there that have recently burned. If I have the right place, the third one down http://farm1.static.flickr.com /203/458371471_0e734b87a5_b.jp g has burned to the ground. Was that one on St Aubin close to the x-way? There is one other house that can be seen from St Aubin that has totally collapsed in on itself too. | ||
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet Post Number: 268 Registered: 01-2007 |
The structures in that whole St. Aubin area are the victim of a fire bug (for hire?).Interesting to note, the same area has been out fitted with the latest in underground infrastructure. Check the equipment on the utility pole in the third photo down, and look closely at what it is. Big plans, once the fire bug has done his work? Muhaha! | ||
Etthealien Member Username: Etthealien Post Number: 5 Registered: 04-2007 |
so... does anyone know when for sure the incinerator is gonna come down?? I have read something about 2009, but is it for sure? and the Master plan anyone know where I can get more detail about the Master plan? | ||
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81 Post Number: 1357 Registered: 11-2003 |
Jeez. I wouldn't touch that with anything. And the other amazing thing when you look at photos like that is to think that this is pretty much the entire city. Then you think how one time it was all housing, all occupied, and all the businesses were occupied too. Now just empty lots, burned out shells, and a few weirdos walkin around. BTW, I wonder if that guy is lookin to sell the Edsel. I think I might know somebody who would be interested  That is an Edsel, yes? http://farm1.static.flickr.com /223/458367111_c024b97d31_b.jp g | ||
Irish_mafia Member Username: Irish_mafia Post Number: 874 Registered: 10-2003 |
Not sure about the car Jerome. There is a dump that surrounds the incinerator where, amongst other things, they deposit the roadkill that they find on the highways and byways nearby. Where does that go in 2009? | ||
1805 Member Username: 1805 Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2007 |
Good idea about the ski hill, Jelk. You know, the reason why Denver is booming right now is solely because of its mountainous terrain. Look at Detroit, Michigan and you’ll see that it’s flat – topographically and economically. Indian Mounds were constructed by deliberately heaping soil, rock, and the remains of burned buildings onto natural land surfaces. Those mounds acted as mass-burial places and cultural time capsules. By stacking some of Michigan's old industrial relics (cars, waste incinerators, etc.) into mounds, Detroit could finally bury its past and ski to its future. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1810 Registered: 06-2004 |
Yeah, but no one in Denver actually lives in the mountains. Besides, if you want to experience a city with air pollution and smell... Denver is your place. Still, how big would the ski slope be? | ||
1805 Member Username: 1805 Post Number: 47 Registered: 03-2007 |
Of course Denverites don't live IN the mountains. That'd be silly. The ski slope would go as tall as we could stack our old industrial relics. I believe this would just crest the Earth's exosphere. Bring your goggles. | ||
Farrer Member Username: Farrer Post Number: 610 Registered: 12-2003 |
Use the stack for the elevator, or rather, the tramelevator. Exit at the top and step out onto stunning downtown and eastside vistas. Double diamond, intermediate and gentle beginner slopes drop down gently onto the sculpted urban landscape. Luxurious condos at the base of the mountain ring the ski village and clock tower, tastefully articulated in a Tyrolean architectural style, with a cross-country trail connector to the Dequindre cut. Wild ghetto coyotes, pack dogs, foxes and pheasants frolic and procreate within the meticulously landscaped grounds.... | ||
Etthealien Member Username: Etthealien Post Number: 6 Registered: 04-2007 |
It's such a great idea! how about making the incinerator pipe into an apartment building? | ||
Harsensis Member Username: Harsensis Post Number: 255 Registered: 07-2005 |
When I drove through there over the weekend, we spotted a beautiful pheasant trotting around the land that is slowly going back to nature. | ||
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary Post Number: 172 Registered: 06-2006 |
I used to play softball next to the Darling Company rendering plant on Greenfield Road. That's got to rank (pun intended) right up there with the incinerator when it comes to stench. I'm going to ask a couple of dumb questions. Doesn't the incinerator save on landfill space? Doesn't it have scrubbers on it? It's got to be more modern than the one on Quinn Road by Gratiot in Clinton Township. I hardly ever hear anything about that one. | ||
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet Post Number: 300 Registered: 01-2007 |
The Detroit incinerator burns some of the trash, but much of it transfers to the land fill (Auburn Hills for one). I have seen the dead dog truck and even the recycling trucks dumping there. The incinerator at Quinn and Lupkie has been closed for a while now. It was built with bonds from the Grosse Pointes and Clinton Township. But it couldn’t keep up with the Federal Regulations so it was taken off line. (Photo tomorrow-too tired now) | ||
Harsensis Member Username: Harsensis Post Number: 257 Registered: 07-2005 |
Do the recycling trucks dump everything there or only the plastic? Figures, people go through all of the trouble and expense of having the recycling only to have it go to the landfill anyways. At least I don't have any aluminum going into the landfill from my recycling bin. | ||
Etthealien Member Username: Etthealien Post Number: 7 Registered: 04-2007 |
Harsensis do u have a picture of the recently burned house? thanx lots! | ||
Mikem Member Username: Mikem Post Number: 3271 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Don't lose faith to quickly - My community has specific guidelines as to what we can and cannot recycle. They ask that paper/cardboard be separated from the other materials in the recycling bin. I do this only to watch the garbage man throw all of it in the same bin in the recycling truck. I figured it was going to the landfill too, until I saw a television show about recycling. The ferrous metals were collected with a magnetic drum, the paper was filtered out in a chemical bath, and the remaining metal and plastic was ground to a fine size. The lighter plastic was floated off and formed into small beads to be used as source material for other products. The remaining metal was reused in a similar process. | ||
Bvos Member Username: Bvos Post Number: 2155 Registered: 10-2003 |
Ordinary, Incinerators do save on landfill space. However the cost to operate the incinerator is something like 3-10 times the cost to just bring it straight to the landfill. In addition to the cost issues, incinerating trash (or anything else for that matter) creates far more pollution than just burying it. Totally new toxic substances are created when you incinerate stuff, especially when combining the who-knows-what of garbage together. The air pollution created by the incinerator is a major public health problem. The areas downwind from the incinerator (including Canada) have asthma and other respiratory problems at a rate far higher than the national average and SE Michigan. The incinerator has some pretty good scrubbers, but scrubbers can't take out all of the stuff produced by incinerating trash. So as you can see, any benefits from reduced landfill space are quickly offset. It will be far better for the environment and for the economics of the city to shut this thing down. | ||
Lukabottle Member Username: Lukabottle Post Number: 37 Registered: 12-2004 |
Harsensis and Bullet Magnet - Material from Recycle Detroit doesn't goto the incinerator. If you remind me, this weekend I will find out the distributor we send it to. We don't take anything but 1 & 2 plastics currently because our distributor only takes those from us currently. Eventually we hope to take 1-7 but will not until we have a market for it. What recycling trucks have you seen go there? We are not responsible for what Chene Ferry may have done or not done. Nothing we take does or I wouldn't bother volunteering every weekend. I believe Capital Waste is our partner that does our physical shipping to different locations. | ||
Etthealien Member Username: Etthealien Post Number: 8 Registered: 04-2007 |
To Rsa and everyone else. Does anyone know what is the master plan for the area? Rsa mentioned it's planned by Steven C. Flum Inc. Architects, but what are they doing at the area? http://www.modeldmedia.com/dev elopmentnews/marsq64.aspx |
