  Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve Post Number: 226 Registered: 11-2006 |
If I read the USA Today article correctly, the USOC will choose between Chicago and L.A. as our '16 selection. Article suggests that this will be done Saturday. Final choice for the '16 games should be made in '09 by the International Olympic body. Does this mean that the USOC in '11 will pick our our 2020 nominee and that the IOC will pick the host city in '13? In other words, if the U.S. city (CHI or L.A.) isn't selected in '09 (to host the '16 Olympics), then in '11 another American city will be selected as a candidate to host the '20 Olympics. Mark 2011 down on your Outlook calendars. Make sure the streets are clean, etc. etc. the USOC will pick an American city. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 615 Registered: 04-2006 |
LOL. I wonder who are the other cities competing? Chicago will probably get the nomination, but the competition must be weak if it actually gets chosen as the host city. (Message edited by iheartthed on April 12, 2007) | ||
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve Post Number: 227 Registered: 11-2006 |
I hope for 2020, the USOC will look beyond cities not selected like NYC, L.A. and CHI and select a city like Detroit or Washington. | ||
Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx Post Number: 708 Registered: 02-2004 |
How is this Detroit related? | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 2344 Registered: 10-2003 |
The USOC submits the bid of an American city for every Olympiad. A few years ago, DC bid for the 2012 Olympics, but the USOC chose New York in order to exploit worldwide sympathy for 9/11. For the USOC to select a city, that city actually has to put together a bid package. They're not going to pick Des Moines just because they feel like it. | ||
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve Post Number: 228 Registered: 11-2006 |
quote: "How is this Detroit related?" We had a neat thread going fairly recently wondering out loud if Detroit would be or could be a candidate for selection as the USOC's 2020 nominee. Many thought Detroit has the facilities to be a serious candidate. Would Detroit put together a package???? Don't know. | ||
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field Post Number: 704 Registered: 10-2003 |
What an absolute joke. What fool honestly believes that this region could ever host the olympics? | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 774 Registered: 10-2006 |
Well on that thread, someone mentioned that in I think it was 1960 something that Detroit got more votes than Chicago, so why not consider it? | ||
Andylinn Member Username: Andylinn Post Number: 358 Registered: 04-2006 |
anyone have the link to that detroit olympic bid video on youtube? i can't find it. it has the mayor in 1960 or so talking about how detroit is "racially diverse" and a place of equality, and a "renaissance city" | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3023 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote: Talk about ignorance or just plain stupidity. In 1960, Detroit was only two years away from its population peak, and the city's infrastructure wasn't as run down. Hell, even the Book-Cadillac was accepting well-paying customers back then. Today, Detroit's population is now only about 45% of its 1960 number and heading down. Who knows how low it will be in 2020--irrespective of what many DY threads and posts say about Detroit's RISING! It's about time to put away the middle or high school daydreaming and begin to think on one's own for a change. | ||
Katelynrose Member Username: Katelynrose Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2007 |
livernoisyard, i was JUST going to say that! i agree completely! 1960 was even the beginning of the downward slope of detroit as a shrinking and deteriorating city! its no place for the olympics. no one would attend. haha. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 777 Registered: 10-2006 |
Fortunately the IOC doesn't take into consideration a given city's population and its increasing or decreasing rate. Look at the last winter Olympics for example in Turino (or however it is spelled again) Italy for example. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3026 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote: Yeh! Right! Sure! OK. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 779 Registered: 10-2006 |
Livernoisyard, you forgot to copy my other statement: "Look at the last winter Olympics for example in Turino...Italy for example." This might sound familiar: "Prior to February 2006, as a small city in northern Italy, Turin was known primarily for its industrial capacity, an increasingly less marketable feature amidst the backdrop of the rapid economic transformations of the 21st century." http://uscpublicdiplomacy.com/ index.php/newsroom/specialrepo rts_detail/olympics_public_dip lomacy_050308/ | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 780 Registered: 10-2006 |
Some visuals as well: http://www.flickr.com/photos/l ebowski/419153502/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/g utkarma/282411990/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/t euzz/139400245/ | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1802 Registered: 06-2004 |
Actually LV, you might want to consider the pluses before writing Detroit off (and also bear in mind that this is a regional bid - not just the city): 1) Three downtown stadiums... and if a new ice arena is built which could be used for other purposes, they will all be very modern and very close to each other. 2) Downtown (expanded?) convention center for headquarters and media coverage and some indoor events. 3) More new hotels downtown. 4) Nearby Wayne State Facilities could be expanded and utilized. 5) Other class facilities including the Palace, (is there golf? I forget) the Oakland Hills course, one of the largest stadiums in the world at UM, etc. 6) Nearby hospitals for general public and both (DMC and Henry Ford) with specialists in athletic injuries. 7) Whatever I'm forgetting. Biggest drawback? Lack of mass transit, although the people mover would be a big plus. Biggest plus? The recent Super Bowl success. Agreed this has no relation to 1960, but change in population in a city and region this size has nothing to do with it. You might want to tone it down a little bit Mr Negativity. | ||
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field Post Number: 705 Registered: 10-2003 |
Llyn, you are delusional if you think this region could host an olympics. If cities like Philadelphia and San Francisco have trouble putting together a successful bid, what makes you think that Detroit could do better than those cities, both (well, san fran for sure maybe not Philly) of which have more corporate wealth than us? To put together a successful bid package requires millions in corporate sponsorships and support. Just what corporations have millions to shell out these days? | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 785 Registered: 01-2005 |
Mind_Field: you are right: "U.S, cities interested in the 2012 Games began their bid campaigns as early as 1998 – 14 years before the Games. By 2001, four of the cities had been eliminated. Those four cities had already spent amounts ranging from $1.5 million (Los Angeles, with long Olympic experience and infrastructure) to Tampa’s $12 million. Expenditures in each city included the usual bidding expenses of travel and entertainment, professional consultation, etc. Additionally, unique to Olympics bids, cities and states must pass funding legislation that requires extensive lobbying, etc. For example, each 2012 bid required a guarantee that $100 million in state and local funds would be available to the International Olympic Committee should the Games experience a financial short-fall. Three additional cities were eliminated in the second round of cuts, having spent $4 million, $6.9 million and $9 million respectively. Finally, in June 2005, at a meeting of the International Olympic Committee, New York was eliminated in the first vote, having spent $35 million on its bid." | ||
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa Post Number: 803 Registered: 09-2005 |
Does Philly or San Fran have more corporate wealth than Metro Detroit? Philly or San Fran? | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1804 Registered: 06-2004 |
Good point Mind_field. Although I should point out that most cities have problems putting together successful bids. Only one city worldwide gets chosen every four years. And I don't think the issue is that the Detroit area is such a piece of crap (as some seem to think) that it would never be considered. <------ delusional, but in a good way... (Message edited by llyn on April 13, 2007) | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 833 Registered: 02-2007 |
I'd rather see L.A. get the vote instead of Chicago. Although letting either one host the Olympics would be like spoiling the children. If Chicago does win the Olympics, it would just help them more and help them to become an even bigger Midwestern anchor than it is now (not helping other major or semi-major mid-western cities). (Message edited by Urbanize on April 14, 2007) | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 1796 Registered: 04-2005 |
You lose Urbanize Chicago Wins USOC Bid http://cbs2chicago.com/topstor ies/local_story_104152432.html I think this is pretty cool. Hope they win the next round. | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 851 Registered: 12-2006 |
I'll second that, Psip. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3035 Registered: 10-2004 |
BTW, if Chicago does get the bid, that will eliminate any other US cities for the next several games. There are other countries out there, you know. | ||
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field Post Number: 708 Registered: 10-2003 |
I'm glad Chicago won! Now our international competition is Rio de Janeiro, Tokyo, and Madrid. Work it Chi. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 873 Registered: 02-2007 |
hmmmmm. Congrats on more spoiling Chicago! | ||
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve Post Number: 234 Registered: 11-2006 |
The IOC has a top notch bunch of cities to choose from. If CHI doesn't make it, which U.S. city would bid in 2020? I would doubt CHI, L.A., NYC, maybe not ATL, etc. I would think Washington and yep, Detroit. (I'm sticking with my original statement). | ||
Toog05 Member Username: Toog05 Post Number: 134 Registered: 03-2006 |
If Chicago doesn't get picked for 2016, Detroit, Philadelphia and Washington will probably bid for 2020. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3039 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote: Sources??? Or is this just a daydream? | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 888 Registered: 02-2007 |
LY, the obvious "probably" in his post meant it was a dream. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 924 Registered: 06-2006 |
Detroit will not be considered for the Olympics anytime in the next decade... Oh, and Chicago was picked over LA today... | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 889 Registered: 02-2007 |
Thejesus, we already established who was unfortunately picked 5-10 posts ago. | ||
Toog05 Member Username: Toog05 Post Number: 135 Registered: 03-2006 |
Well it was rumored that Detroit has considering a bid for 2020. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 890 Registered: 02-2007 |
"Well it was rumored that Detroit has considering a bid for 2020." Grammar Cops!!!! You mean that Detroit has considered or is considering a bid for xxxx. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3040 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote: Probably... BTW, The Free Dictionary defines "probably" as obviously something quite different than "dreaming." prob·a·bly adv. Most likely; presumably. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3041 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote: Chicago is a good choice. Its close proximity to Milwaukee and Madison is also a plus for some venues. And having Gary nearby even gives the the media, athletes, and spectators an insight to what could be in store for them in Detroit. Chicago is in the midst of an active (really high) skyscraper boom--something that hasn't been in Detroit since 1928, nearly 80 years ago. Chicago's Shedd Aquarium even has real fish living in it too. But Detroit 2020 supporters (or for any time before 2032 or later) better hope that Chicago loses the bid because it would be most unlikely that any other US city would be chosen so soon after 2016 if Chicago is chosen. | ||
Pinewood73 Member Username: Pinewood73 Post Number: 29 Registered: 07-2006 |
Detroit's population has been in decline for some time now, but maybe by 2020 the trend will start to reverse itself. One unique advantage that Detroit has over other US cities is the possibility of a Detroit-Windsor bid. | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 29 Registered: 04-2007 |
The dream that Detroit will get the olympics in any of our lifetimes is just that, a dream. Unlike Turin, Detroit does not have the Alps. Detroit has many, many strengths that afford it tremendous opportunities. But the olympics is not one of them. The time, effort, and money required to pursue the chimera of hosting the olympics (winter or summer) should be better spent. "Baby steps, Bob, baby steps." | ||
Corktownmark Member Username: Corktownmark Post Number: 312 Registered: 12-2004 |
those who aim for nothing surely will attain it. A few million dollar investment by Michigan, and SE michigan in particular may bring a result that would change things for the better for generations to come. | ||
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit Post Number: 1044 Registered: 11-2003 |
The City of Detroit wouldnt host the Olympics, the whole Metro Detroit region would. Too bad some people (who live here) still can't see us as a region. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 897 Registered: 02-2007 |
Take a look at these bunch of folks East_Detroit -My questions to piss them off.... http://answers.yahoo.com/quest ion/index;_ylt=AkG0NNA4SCB.ehFo6dkaQvDs y6IX?qid=20070414162232AAoUiWc http://answers.yahoo.com/quest ion/index;_ylt=AhJX1HpVJD7tW_zEtXl4mCvt y6IX?qid=20070414154113AAExOd2 http://answers.yahoo.com/quest ion/index;_ylt=AtTTsR5s0tqD6cD3yT1KfQDt y6IX?qid=20070414154610AAKOV6n http://answers.yahoo.com/quest ion/index;_ylt=AokNqXprZuniHBGmYgX7vSDt y6IX?qid=20070414160508AAHyZ8V http://answers.yahoo.com/quest ion/index;_ylt=Ah4IRtbvXcZ.I5GCus3UebXt y6IX?qid=20070414160605AA0MKxh -Questions I answered (this will really get ya) http://answers.yahoo.com/quest ion/index;_ylt=AhYWt0TTsus33ddWqy13m8Xt y6IX?qid=20070412163046AA23Lzc &show=7#profile-info-ca2f8efb1 6a07456622535b3633bdb8aaa http://answers.yahoo.com/quest ion/index;_ylt=ArBZR95yTaEMBhVv9N3X3qbt y6IX?qid=20070413205303AALI2Ov &show=7#profile-info-0489fca64 554dfd9bb297c3e63b0b389aa | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 899 Registered: 02-2007 |
http://answers.yahoo.com/quest ion/index;_ylt=AjGsCz8Q1M463urcL75lLNzs y6IX?qid=20070415094113AAPrclI That one just came out. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3043 Registered: 10-2004 |
Basic macro-economics 101: It's sad for both Michigan and Detroit when the public sector is increasingly becoming their largest respective employers. A large public sector is a major part of an unsustainable spendthrift economy wherever they may be located. By 2020, these gross inefficiencies will be consuming even larger percentages of taxed income from their residents and businesses. That's why no meaningful, critical mass of businesses (meaning...potential employers--for the benefit of the functionally illiterate in Detroit) will remain or settle here. Unfortunately for the dreamers who want wealthy people or their businesses to support their spending plans for an Olympics or whatever, the public sector components of both Metro Detroit or Michigan will literally consume so much of the private sector funds to the point of their not having any realistic private sectors anymore. So without them, there goes any expensive projects, such as metro Detroit being a realistic Olympic venue. Any opposing viewpoints would surely miss the target completely because this is essentially at the heart of the problems. It's always about the money, and both Detroit (and some of the burbs) and the state are essentially broke, although they keep spending like drunken sailors on liberty. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 4329 Registered: 10-2003 |
Maybe the great myth in sports history...the Olympics are a great business proposition for host cities. http://thesportseconomist.com/ 2007/03/2012-olympics-cost-ove r-runs.htm | ||
Corktownmark Member Username: Corktownmark Post Number: 313 Registered: 12-2004 |
Thanks for telling us what folks who don't agree with you think LY. No need for any expression of apposing opinions. You will tell us what others want and what others think. I look forward to hearing YOUR vision. Unless you think tax cuts and spending cuts alone will turn this state around. | ||
Bob Member Username: Bob Post Number: 1447 Registered: 11-2003 |
Yes Detroit should not even think about trying to host the Olympics. We do not have the funds to build the facilities. We do not have the mass transit to support the Olympics. We need to concentrate on using what little funds we have on fixing the problems of our region. The Super Bowl is one thing, it uses existing facilities, but we do not have the funds to build another stadium. Let alone the Village for the athletes. And LY is correct, having government support our economy is unsustainable. We need to balance having things that make people want to live here (good schools, infrastructure, etc,) with having taxes that are competitive with other states. If we let our strengths go to crap (like our universities, we are hurting ourselves. But the Olympics is something we do not need to focus our meager resources. IN fact at the current rate of squabbling, we will not have this budget crisis fixed by 2020. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 788 Registered: 10-2006 |
I think that Detroit could host them, but I don't think that it should. I agree with Bob that it would be just too expensive to build venues for the events for only a two week period. Let's face it, you can't have the opening ceremonies in something like Cobo arena or even Comerica Park. It would need to be the size of the Big House in Ann Arbor (100,00 +), but more elaborate. | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 40 Registered: 04-2007 |
LY and Bob are correct. Like it or not the fact is Detroit and the state can not afford to bid for the olympics. Let alone actually host them. No insult intended to anyone CorkTown, but the numbers don't lie. |
