 
Fareastsider
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Username: Fareastsider
Post Number: 322
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:08 am: |    |
Good point on the Wintergarden and what about the "Mall" that used to exist on the RENCENs lower levels. Its been done! |
Urbanize
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Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 613
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:12 am: | |
Ok, Let's see
-yes, they sell Coney Dogs at Johnny Rockets. It is a 50s themed restaurant. Why would you even mention it on your post if you know nothing about them.
-You stated that Downtown Detroit needs a mall with a Johnny Rockets. No we do not. We already have one down there as we speak and it's doing just fine. I was just stating that your post about it was inaccurate.
-People do need to live in a neighborhood in order for it to thrive. However, Downtown of course isnt a neighborhood, rather a city center. Folks live in the city center sure. However, it doesn't have that neighborly design as somewhere like IV or BE has. A Mall downtown wouldn't solve anything because we can't fill the malls we have now with retail insidee the neighborhoods of Detroit (and there's higher income and residents base in these areas).
Are you happy now? You just wanted someone to discuss something with you so bad, didn't you? |
Livernoisyard
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Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 2964
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:21 am: | |
quote:3. It was very quickly contained and only affected roughly 6 square blocks of the near north side.
There was a riot, it was not tremendous.
I see! But do you? Your (grand)parents probably fled Milwaukee before the riot.
And define tremendous.
The fact is that the then white flight rate out of both Milwaukee and Detroit was accelerated (perhaps, by a factor of five or ten, maybe more?) as a result of those riots. Who knows, but without the tremendous riots in Milwaukee and Detroit, both cities wouldn't be the way they are today. |
Michigan
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Username: Michigan
Post Number: 14
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:25 am: | |
Gee urbanize, maybe I just was putting too much "stock" in your opinion. Please re-read my posts, You have completely misunderstood them. I am, like you, anti-mall.
And JR is a chain. It tailors its menu to suit each locale. I wanted to know if they added Coneys in the D. I usually don't eat at chains, so I didn't know.
Off-topic Milwaukee, what happened to our warriors this tourny! |
Urbanize
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Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 618
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:30 am: | |
I didn't read your whole post. I'm sure 20 blocks is taking it a bit too far. Think a high density mall (just for example). |
Michigan
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Username: Michigan
Post Number: 15
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:38 am: | |
oh Liverspots, you've done it again.
I am glad to see you made it farther in Milwaukee's post. Good job, let's keep it up.
Okay I will define it, pay special attention to the tertiary definition-
tre·men·dous Pronunciation Key - [tri-men-duhs] –adjective
1. extraordinarily great in size, amount, or intensity: a tremendous ocean liner; tremendous talent.
2. extraordinary in excellence: a tremendous movie.
3. dreadful or awful, as in character or effect; exciting fear; frightening; terrifying.
I like the way Milwaukee is today. Clean, pleasant, easy to live in, nice people, good jobs, low cost of living, good restaurants, low crime, summerfest, and a beautiful lakefront and museum. If the riots (and rioters)really achieved all this, well my hats off to them. |
Urbanize
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Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 622
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:40 am: | |
"oh Liverspots, you've done it again."
Oh what's wrong now????????? |
Michigan
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Username: Michigan
Post Number: 16
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:42 am: | |
no problem U, i understand. I was only addressing the idea of having a great lakes crossings style mall downtown, which is of course ludicrous. |
Urbanize
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Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 623
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:43 am: | |
The malls that are in the exburbs have little to no density. If the Mall in Detroit was to be "High Density", that means that multiple floors would have to built in skyscraper form or high rise form or something (that way, it wouldn't take up too much land either). Along with that, it can have a parking Garage or something (you know, something like Compuware, but smaller). |
Milwaukee
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Username: Milwaukee
Post Number: 1153
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 2:30 am: | |
"Your (grand)parents probably fled Milwaukee before the riot."
Grandparents lived in Milwaukee until 1970.
Parents lived in from 1977 to 1994.
I lived in from 1991 to 1994.
We left due to shitty schools, not because of an old riot.
We're setting up plans to head on back.
"The fact is that the then white flight rate out of both Milwaukee and Detroit was accelerated"
Milwaukee is as of 2000 real count census 50% white.
Detroit is as of 2000 real count census what 11%?
Not a trashing, just saying Milwaukee didn't experience an enormous population loss. |
Detrola
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Username: Detrola
Post Number: 43
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 6:32 am: | |
If the downtown market could support a mall, there would be a mall. |
Downtown_remix
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Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 127
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 8:11 am: | |
We only have "mini malls" ren cen, compuware, penopscot, Gardian. Fall 2008 we will see the addition of three casino hotels (1,200 over night potential visitors)400 upscale hotel rooms plus resort, (Book Cadilac) plus our current 2000 rooms(fuzzy figures) Tigers, Lions, Redwing, The Fox, The new river walk, and the addition of around 1000 new residents.
This activity will fill our current vacant store fronts, Making downtown more attractive to developers for sites like the ol hudsons site, statler, with more mini malls. |
Jelk
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Username: Jelk
Post Number: 4311
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:18 pm: | |
quote:The malls that are in the exburbs have little to no density. If the Mall in Detroit was to be "High Density", that means that multiple floors would have to built in skyscraper form or high rise form or something (that way, it wouldn't take up too much land either). Along with that, it can have a parking Garage or something (you know, something like Compuware, but smaller).
If you can incorporate an artificial ski hill into your design I know an up and coming developer that might be interested. |
Ndavies
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Username: Ndavies
Post Number: 2537
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:27 pm: | |
I'd love a ski hill downtown. I wouldn't have to drive out to Pine Knob all winter. I could just strap my snowboard onto my back and mountain bike to the hill. |
Urbanize
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Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 653
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:37 pm: | |
No ski hill downtown, sorry. We have BallDuck for that. |
Urbanize
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Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 654
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:38 pm: | |
besides, he have that hill during the Winter Fest. |
Jelk
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Username: Jelk
Post Number: 4313
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 1:56 pm: | |
quote:besides, he have that hill during the Winter Fest.
Not good enough. You have to think bigger. Double black diamond or something like that. It will help us attract the Olympics. The mall could serve as a Olympic HQ like the RenCen did during the Super Bowl. It could be perfect. Urban skiing and with Tiger Stadium converted into a short-track speed skating venue there's no way the IOC could turn Detroit down.
Today a mall...tomorrow the Olympics. |
Ndavies
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Username: Ndavies
Post Number: 2538
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 2:08 pm: | |
A giant super halfpipe right down woodward. I can see the flying Tomato doing geriatric color commentary as he assesses the chances of our 2026 winter olympic hopefuls.
(Message edited by ndavies on April 06, 2007) |
Panther036
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Username: Panther036
Post Number: 10
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 12:50 am: | |
"Cheesecake Factory"
Got that right. Can't wait til they open inside the Book.
--is this true?? |
Urbanize
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Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 675
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 9:35 am: | |
"--is this true??"
Well I have heard it many times throughout this website. |
Club_boss
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Username: Club_boss
Post Number: 25
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 9:49 am: | |
Absolutely delicious food, in a beautiful setting. |
Urbanize
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Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 682
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 10:24 am: | |
For all the skiers and skateboarders who are so hyped about Skateboard and Ski parks downtown, here's where the discussion SHOULD be taking place.
https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/77568.html?1175901679 |
Jelk
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Username: Jelk
Post Number: 4314
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 2:54 pm: | |
Hey I'm just saying there is an up and coming entrepreneur looking to do a development with a ski hill. His plan for DelRay fell through and I know he's always been interested in downtown. Seems to me it would be a smart thing for you mall advocates to merge the ski hill and mall concepts and DO SOMETHING! After all don't you care about Detroit? I guess you are most interested in talk instead of action. |
Eastsidedame
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Username: Eastsidedame
Post Number: 73
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 7:14 pm: | |
A mall? Oh, God, please NO! Downtown malls have a dismal success rate.
But a Cheesecake Factory?
Hell, yes!
Detroiters notoriously crazy about cheesecake. I have a 1955 cookbook put out by "the Chrysler wives" with 28 recipes for cheesecake! (See "Detroit Cooks" thread)
Who would've guessed it? |
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