Sg9018 Member Username: Sg9018
Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 6:29 pm: | |
Arcording to the Free Press and Detroit News Wayne Country will United States Number One population loser in the country. Only the counties effected by Hurricane Katrina had a greater population loss. As Wayne country loses population Livingston, Washtenaw and Macomb counties had a great popualtion growth. Out of the 89,000 population lost, 13,000 came from Detroit. Detroit News http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070322/M ETRO/703220391 Free Press http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20070322/NEW S06/703220327&imw=Y WJBK Blogs http://community.myfoxdetroit. com/blogs/Sound_Off/2007/03/22 /Any_Ideas_To_Keep_People_From _Leaving WDIV story http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/11328395/detail.html |
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936
Post Number: 1245 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 6:52 pm: | |
Where the heck is Wayne Country? |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 5276 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 6:57 pm: | |
Wayne lost a little more than 19,000 between 2005-2006 after birth-rates/in-migrations are factored back in, and even the Detroit News makes note of that. It's still bad, but not unexpected. It's been falling at nearly the same rate since 2000. BTW, before we start writing the obituararies, between 2000 and 2006 Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) loss -5.7% of its population, Alleghany County (Pittsburgh) -4.5%, and Philadelphia County (Philadelphia) -4.6% had greater percentage losses, and San Francisco County (San Francisco) lost just a bit less than Wayne County at 4.2% In comparison Wayne County's loss from 2000 is -4.3%. (Message edited by lmichigan on March 22, 2007) |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 1749 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 7:02 pm: | |
Population can't go negative so it has to bottom out sometime. Then what? I was surprised Oakland County's recent increase was so small. Also note that among those with increases (in the detnews graph: Macomb, Livingston and Oakland), the increases are declining from those of recent years. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 5643 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 7:06 pm: | |
Folks leaving Detroit to the to other county suburbs is one reason why Wayne County is losing over 89,000 people. |
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee
Post Number: 1057 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 7:18 pm: | |
"BTW, before we start writing the obituararies, between 2000 and 2006 Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) loss -5.7% of its population, Alleghany County (Pittsburgh) -4.5%, and Philadelphia County (Philadelphia) -4.6% had greater percentage losses, and San Francisco County (San Francisco) lost just a bit less than Wayne County at 4.2%" 1. Wayne county is bigger than both Alleghany County and Cuyahoga County. Wayne is losing far more people than both of those counties. 2. Philadelphia County and San Francisco County are bleeding poor folk. Both counties have a huge amount of rich professionals pushing poor people out. San Francisco's poor people are moving to Oakland and to Daly City. Philadelphia is pushing them to Trenton and Wilmington. This is great news for those counties, fewer people, more college graduates, more money. Wayne County is losing the rich and middle class. It's not poor people who are leaving, its poor people who are going to be in the hollow shell. This is not good news. Population loss can be good, but its not in this case. |
Homer Member Username: Homer
Post Number: 127 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 7:19 pm: | |
Well if they included illegals and the homeless the numbers would be increased somewhat. |
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee
Post Number: 1058 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 7:25 pm: | |
"Well if they included illegals and the homeless the numbers would be increased somewhat" That's the kind of population growth you want! |
Patrick Member Username: Patrick
Post Number: 4171 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 8:29 pm: | |
Black flight. |
Yaktown Member Username: Yaktown
Post Number: 132 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 9:02 pm: | |
Wayne Country? Is that anywhere near Marlboro Country? |
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner
Post Number: 1125 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 9:05 pm: | |
"That's the kind of population growth you want!" What kind of attitude is that? Homeless really need representation. And who is kidding who, illegals do use hospitals and other essential services. Like it or not these are very real populations. |
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 132 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 9:06 pm: | |
89,000? Did they all die? |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 5277 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 9:20 pm: | |
Who said, Milwaukee, that Wayne County's loss is good? Certainly not me, my only point was that percentage loss measurements are just as important, if not more, than net loss measurements. You can explain away the sizes of San Francisco, Allegheny, and Philadelphia County, but then there is Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) with a -5.7% to Wayne's -4.3%. You can't just ignore percentage loss, you have to take it into account with net loss, or lose credibility when speaking on these issues. Detroit MSA: 2005: 4,479,400 2006: 4,468,966 Net Loss: -10,434 Percent Change 2005-2006: -.23% 2000: 4,452,557 2006: 4,468,966 Net Gain: +16,409 Percent Change 2000-2006: +.36% ------------------------------ ------------------- Detroit CMSA: 2005: 5,521,098 2006: 5,512,205 Net Loss: -8,893 Percent Change 2005-2006: -.16% 2000: 5,444,147 2006: 5,512,205 Net Gain: 68,058 Percent Change 2000-2006: +1.23% ------------------------------ ------------------- Michigan: 2005: 10,120,860 2006: 10,095,643 Net Loss: -25,217 Percent Change 2005-2006: -.24% 2000: 9,938,444 2006: 10,095,643 Net Gain: +157,199 Percent Change 2000-2006: +1.55% ------------------------------ ------------------ Speaking of Metro Areas, as you can see, Metro Detroit both the CSA and MSA saw a loss, this year, but we'd have to have a sustained and increased loss to register a decade loss. Metro Cleveland and Metro Pittsburgh are already experiencing a decade-end loss. I'm not saying Detroit is in a good situation, hardly, but there are quite a few others in the same situation, and as I've pointed out actually worse situations in terms of population loss, both city and metro. (Message edited by lmichigan on March 22, 2007) |
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 318 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 9:37 pm: | |
They're some people on here unaware of where Wayne County is located and the details of it Wayne County: A County located within SE Michigan that includes the largest city in the state, Detroit and is bordered by the Detroit River and Lake St. Clair and border's in closest to Canada. in this region of the state (including Ambassador Bridge and Windsor tunnel). Here is a map of it right here..... http://aec.msu.edu/product/ima ges/reg_se_wh.gif |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 5279 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 9:54 pm: | |
No one is confused as to where Wayne County is. People are confused as to where Wayne Country is. (Message edited by lmichigan on March 22, 2007) |
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 321 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 10:13 pm: | |
Still, good to list the information as people still could be unaware. However, back to the country thing, sg9018, WHERE IS Wayne Country???? |
Hutt Member Username: Hutt
Post Number: 20 Registered: 10-2005
| Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 11:45 pm: | |
We must go find them!!! |
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk
Post Number: 489 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 2:14 am: | |
Well it gained me. Not that anyone was celebrating that fact, of course. It's sad. Especially with all the affluent cities like the Pointes and the middle class ones like Livonia, you'd think those communities would cushion the blow. |
Dtwflyer Member Username: Dtwflyer
Post Number: 48 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 2:42 pm: | |
Sad part of it is that over the next decade, demographers are predicting a net loss of between 25,000 - 50,000 people moving out of suburban Wayne County. The primary driver behind this is due to Ford restructuring & buy-outs, and retirees, both leaving the state overall. One in search of jobs, the other in search of a warm climate to spend the twilight of their lives. |
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve
Post Number: 187 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 3:10 pm: | |
BTW, guys. I posted some time ago about Detroit demographics and indicated I'd contact the Census Bureau (I know a demographer who works in their Population Division). This is an excerpt from the e-mail: "For the vast majority of cities we do not have birth, death and migration data available. The city estimates are calculated using data on housing units to distribute a county's population to the places within the county. We do have birth and death data available for those cities that are independent cities or county equivalents." As such there are yearly birth, death, and migration data for say Washington, D.C. but not Detroit. For anyone curious, a Washington paper indicates that Washington had 8K+ births and almost 6K deaths but a net 3K out migration for one year. In D.C.s case the reported reason is gentrification. "young wealthy couples replace larger, poorer families who can no longer afford the city." I suspect Detroit's migration is similar with singles and childless couples coming into the gentrifying (sp) areas while families with children leave for the 'burbs. (D.C. has many, many new apartment and condo buildings going up in gentrifying areas so many persons are moving in but apparently many are also moving out). I have NO idea what the birth and death numbers in Detroit would look like. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 5656 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 3:34 pm: | |
Wayne County will survive even if it's 2,000 people left. And replace by nature. |
Zephyrprocess Member Username: Zephyrprocess
Post Number: 288 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 5:30 pm: | |
Isn't most of this due to deaths in the war between Detroit and Livonia? |
Trainman Member Username: Trainman
Post Number: 369 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 8:39 pm: | |
All the bus riders from the Livonia bus eliminations are now clogging up the freeways and thus we have too much smog. So, people are moving out to where the air is cleaner. I'm one of those clogging the freeways that used to ride SMART and I see many more cars but the Michigan Department of Transportation just don't see this. It's because of the smog. If you all support my Bring Back SMART to Livonia petition, then the air will be clean and our leaders will think and see much more clearly. And then people will move into Wayne County and not out. http://savethefueltax.tripod.c om/theplan.html |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 2906 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 8:50 pm: | |
quote:All the bus riders from the Livonia bus eliminations are now clogging up the freeways and thus we have too much smog. So, people are moving out to where the air is cleaner. Come on, Trainman, Get real! Planet Earth is but a few feet below. Only some 2% of Livonians rode the SMART buses before Livonia started its own replacement system. Clogging the freeways, indeed! |
Miketoronto Member Username: Miketoronto
Post Number: 503 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 9:01 pm: | |
This may not be as a big a deal. Many of Wayne County suburbs are built out. There is no more new housing going up, so it could just be a demographic shift. The pop could go up, as new families fill up homes housing just elderly couples at the moment. When you are built out, you can't expect the pop to always increase. Its going to go up and down. |
Trainman Member Username: Trainman
Post Number: 370 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 10:37 pm: | |
Yes, It's true that I filled up the Middlebelt buses. I rode with the seeing eye dogs and saw how the Michigan Department of Transportation slashes money for the handicapped and then blames the Livonia voters. So, I'm upgrading my website to restore all state money. http://savethefueltax.tripod.c om/index.html |
Ventura67 Member Username: Ventura67
Post Number: 115 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 11:17 pm: | |
Wayne Country... That there southern part of Wayne County is kinda country! YeeHaw!!! |
Ventura67 Member Username: Ventura67
Post Number: 116 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 11:25 pm: | |
By the way, my observations show that the country part of Wayne County (mostly the extreme southeastern area) is the only part of Wayne county that actually is growing. Sumpter, Huron Twps, etc. Any numbers on that? There is still lots of wooded, large parcels down there. Those people gotta like the planes buzzing over their roofs all hours of the day from Metro Airport, though. |
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 378 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 6:24 am: | |
"There is still lots of wooded, large parcels down there. Those people gotta like the planes buzzing over their roofs all hours of the day from Metro Airport, though." I know that's right. We hear planes all day from CAY over on the NE side of Detroit, (AND IT'S A GROUNDED AIRPORT!). |
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve
Post Number: 188 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 8:08 am: | |
Dtwflyer: "Sad part of it is that over the next decade, demographers are predicting a net loss of between 25,000 - 50,000 people moving out of suburban Wayne County. The primary driver behind this is due to Ford restructuring & buy-outs, and retirees, both leaving the state overall. One in search of jobs, the other in search of a warm climate to spend the twilight of their lives." Yep, and not just Wayne County. I mentioned in a post a while ago about the weather. and low and behold areas with big pop. drops are cold weather areas like DET, CLE, PITT, Philly, etc. (see some of the previous posts in this thread). The graying of America means more and more retirees leaving the midwest for the sunbelt. Demographics in Florida must be crazy with very high in migration (not just retirees) and very high death rates. |
Miketoronto Member Username: Miketoronto
Post Number: 504 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 8:33 am: | |
Actually that is not true. The sunbelt is seeing outmirgation of elderly people back to the North Eastern cities. It may not be a whole flood, but I read an article not to long ago, stating that many people are moving back to NYC, Philly, Chicago, etc from the Sunbelt. And that I think for the first time if places like Florida only grew their pop by American's moving interstate, that Florida would see a pop decline or something from the elderly market. It was something like that. Gotta dig up the article. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 5659 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 10:27 am: | |
Good research Miketoronto, Factual demographic data make the source. No slippery slope fallacies about it. |
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve
Post Number: 190 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 10:41 am: | |
Very interesting, BUT are we talking about NET migration? What I mean if 100K move to FL and 50K move OUT of FL back to the north of the Mason-Dixon? I agree the southward migration trend might be SLOWING but I doubt it has ended. I'd suspect there are more moving vans driving south then driving north. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 2909 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 10:55 am: | |
Some of those down South/West may be returning for the summers to their second (Michigan) houses that they probably couldn't yet sell at a high-enough price. It's most doubtful, however, that many would come here for jobs because that it just contrary to good common sense. |
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 713 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 11:28 am: | |
'bout time the Wayne County suburbs got what they deserved |
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm
Post Number: 1217 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 12:23 pm: | |
Wayne Country had a big hit a few years ago with "My Loss is Your Gain," but he hasn't had any since then. |
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve
Post Number: 191 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 1:39 pm: | |
Spending summers in Detroit watching the Tigs isn't a bad way for a retiree to spend his (or her) time. Spending falls in Detroit watching the Lions... (Message edited by emu_steve on March 25, 2007) |
Roomseller Member Username: Roomseller
Post Number: 21 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 2:21 pm: | |
Wayne Country. That's too funny. Melvindale gained like 1%, it was in the Free Press mid-January. Woo Woo for Melvindale. |
Bibs Member Username: Bibs
Post Number: 679 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 4:16 pm: | |
Another factor which will greatly influence the population of our state is longevity. The elderly who remain here are living much longer than before. They form a foundation for new birth to build upon. Once all the baby boomers pass on, we could see some huge population declines in this region. |
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee
Post Number: 1083 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 11:13 pm: | |
How are the GP's doing? Are they losing or gaining population? I would guess losing because of smaller family sizes and maybe home demolitions for larger homes. Is that true or even possible? Like flattening two homes to build one mega house. Is that happening? |
Miketoronto Member Username: Miketoronto
Post Number: 507 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 11:27 pm: | |
This is no longer a city vs suburb thing. Cities across the country are seeing their suburban areas also lose pop just like Wayne County. Milwaukee County for example has been bleeding people for years now, and it is only expected to stop, if they can get new immigrants to move into the metro region. Erie County, in Buffalo also has lost people. The list goes on Pop stats Milwaukee County Peak pop: 1,054,063 (1967) Pop today: 921,654 Cook County Illions Peak Pop: 5,492,369 (1970) Pop in 2000: 5,376,741 (Message edited by miketoronto on March 25, 2007) |
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider
Post Number: 270 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 11:59 pm: | |
Those two stats pale compared to Wayne CountRy] 1970=2,666,751 estimate today, 1,971,853 694,898 less people Even crazier is to think of the amount of acres of developed land that has been created since then in the county! |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 5301 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 1:54 am: | |
What's scary is that the tri-county area, the core of the metro area, has slightly less people than it did in 1960! Metro Detroit is very easily on its way to becoming one of the only metro areas in the country to lose population along the likes of Metro Cleveland and Metro Pittsburgh. |