  Cambrian Member Username: Cambrian Post Number: 731 Registered: 08-2006 |
The scum bag execs and shareholders still got thier way, but it was not a resounding victory at least. Maybe we'll win the next one. From Autobeat Daily: DCX LABOR REPS ALMOST BLOCKED CHERY DEAL. Opposition from labor representatives on DaimlerChrysler AG’s supervisory board nearly quashed Chrysler Group’s plans to buy Chinese-made subcompact cars from China’s Chery Automobile Co., reports Handelsblatt. Erich Klemm, head of DCX’s works council, tells the German newspaper the showdown came at the Feb. 13 meeting of the supervisory board, which is divided evenly between labor and shareholder representatives. With the vote deadlocked, Chairman Hilmar Kopper cast the deciding vote in favor of the framework agreement, says Klemm, who is a board member. Under German corporate rules, the chairman’s vote counts twice if there is a tie. Labor leaders contend that DCX shouldn’t be opening the door to Chinese carmakers who want access to developed markets. They also object to the company’s elimination of some U.S. jobs while creating work at a rival automaker. Ron Gettelfinger, president of the United Autoworkers Union, also sits on the DCX board. Chrysler, which plans to sell the Chery-built vehicles under its own brands, says it could not make the low-cost cars profitably in North America. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2709 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote: Just another reason not to buy a UAW-built vehicle. You can almost feel their disgruntled workers perhaps taking out their frustrations on the vehicles built with their slave labor... | ||
Cambrian Member Username: Cambrian Post Number: 732 Registered: 08-2006 |
People that buy these cars will be unsatisfied with them. I have no reason to believe this Chery deal will be any different then his last attempt which was Yugo. The only reason these cars are not at dealers right now is because the quality of the first builds are so piss poor. A shoddy chinese product could be just the shot in the arm our US labor movement needs to revive a "buy american" campaign. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2474 Registered: 10-2003 |
Well their choice is either to build the car in China or not sell a vehicle in that segment. So your company either makes money from building the car in China or you cede that market to your competitors. None of whom make that size car in the NAFTA region. They are all imported. No one can make that size car profitably in North America. The board made the right choice. The only choice if they want to stay in business. | ||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 1747 Registered: 12-2003 |
quote: Isn't that a violation of international law. Heaven forbid people on fixed income or low income should be forced to overpay out of their price range. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2475 Registered: 10-2003 |
Cambrian, What does the DCX-Chery deal have to do with the Yugo? Yugo was brought in by Malcolm Bricklin, He has nothing to do with the deal between DCX and Chery. He was trying to bring Chery designed cars to the US under their own name. That deal has collapsed. This is a completely different deal. This is a Chrysler designed vehicle built in a Chery plant. You're confusing your import deals. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 9270 Registered: 10-2003 |
Do some of you actually believe that Chery is going to make the car and place a Chrysler/Dodge nameplate on it without Chrylser/Dodge having any input or control over the operation? The same thing was said about the PT Cruiser (or any vehicle assembled in Mexico)and it sold o.k. without massive problems. The problem can possible arrive when the Chinese start to make quality products on their own which will give us all a run for our money. | ||
Cambrian Member Username: Cambrian Post Number: 734 Registered: 08-2006 |
No, these are the same man. I just can't recall the specifics. The person who brought Yugo over, Bricklin you say, was also the initial deep pocket investor to get Chery going. | ||
Douglasm Member Username: Douglasm Post Number: 781 Registered: 10-2003 |
Ndavies.... ....does DCX have a financial stake in Chery in the same way GM has in Shanghai/GM and/ or Daewoo? | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2476 Registered: 10-2003 |
Cambrian you're very wrong. Malcolm Bricklin has nothing to do with the DCX - Chery deal. Malcolm Bricklin is just a car salesman. He made his name by bringing Subaru to the US. He sold that operation and tried to repeat that success with Yugo. That failed. The Chery deal was to be his third attempt at this game. Chery Is a chinese company started by the Chinese government. Bricklin was just a way for them to get into the country. They have since found a better way. Try this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C hery with this quote. quote: | ||
Cambrian Member Username: Cambrian Post Number: 735 Registered: 08-2006 |
Anyways.....I believe a person can go to Wal mart and buy a Chinese Made Coffee maker,or DVD player all day long that craps out on him after 6 months and he won't bitch much. However if his chinese car breaks down on him while he's trying to get to work, or is in the shop all the time costing him money that's quite a different story. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 1083 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hating the Chery deal is like hating your hot younger sister's first serious boyfriend because you think he's having sex with her. If it's not him, it's going to be someone else. Someone's gonna get it, it might as well be someone you like. | ||
Cambrian Member Username: Cambrian Post Number: 736 Registered: 08-2006 |
quote: "In 2005, Chery was upgraded to ISO/TS 16949:2002 production quality, the highest and strictest quality control system in the global auto industry. design, the deal broke down. Instead, Chery is pursuing its own export plans and is designing a large array of cars for the American and European market and Chinese market." That being said there was a story last week in Auto Beat that said the reason the deal got off track and is behind schedule are the quality issues with Chery's products. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2477 Registered: 10-2003 |
Douglasm, no, I don't believe they do. DCX does have other equity joint ventures with Chinese companies to build Jeep and Mercedes vehicles for sale in China. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2478 Registered: 10-2003 |
Once again, Cambrian that article applies only to Chery designed vehicles. The Vehicle Chery is building for Chrysler is a Chrysler design not a Chery design. The car will meet all of Chryslers quality and safety standards. This vehicle will be equal or superior in quality and safety to any of chrysler's other designs. And since the plant is not a chrysler plant they can actually demand much higher quality from their supplier than they could from a plant they owned. The real problem is DCX will be teaching Chery how to meet the quality, safety and emission standards required by north american customers. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1417 Registered: 10-2003 |
What's the difference between slapping a Chrysler name on a Chery and putting a Chevy badge on a Daewoo (Aveo)? | ||
Cambrian Member Username: Cambrian Post Number: 737 Registered: 08-2006 |
Isn't the Aveo a Suzuki made in London ON? | ||
Spacemonkey Member Username: Spacemonkey Post Number: 165 Registered: 03-2006 |
HEMI engines are made in Mexico. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1419 Registered: 10-2003 |
The Aveo is a Korean Daewoo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daewoo_Gentra (Message edited by Fury13 on March 07, 2007) | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2479 Registered: 10-2003 |
Fury13, not much. Ford just announced it's importing and rebadging a Mazda for this same vehicle segment. The only minor difference is both Ford and GM own large equity stakes in their B segment suppliers, DCX doesn't. | ||
Cambrian Member Username: Cambrian Post Number: 738 Registered: 08-2006 |
There are no parallels to having Japanese or Korean Cars sent here to having Chinese cars sent here. The Chinese government plays games with thier currency to keep it undervalued, this is why greedy american companies love it over there so much. Korea and Japan do not. |
