Hybridy Member Username: Hybridy
Post Number: 70 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 12:11 am: | |
since the lodge is closed and telegraph was my place to get groceries haircut n other misc goods, i decided to roll down to the new fairlane "power center" off of oakman and 39 to see if it would fulfill my retail desires holy shit i thought hall road was bad i mean it is the king but this beast can hold its own meijer target barnes n noble bed bath beyond panera longhorn olga's chilis just to name a few scary if u haven't checked it out already i suggest all you suburban lovers go revel in all your glory read this http://www.kunstler.com/Mags_B ruegmann.html then go |
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg
Post Number: 565 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 12:31 am: | |
So I guess this means that Mr. Kunstler didn't enjoy Mr. Bruegmann's book and - I'm really going out on a limb here - I'm also guessing that you didn't buy a copy of it at the Barnes and Noble. Is this a great country or what? We're free to take our money and spend it wherever we want. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 2410 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 12:53 am: | |
Kunstler is awesome. |
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13
Post Number: 1333 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 7:32 am: | |
Nice haiku, Hybridy. |
Pam Member Username: Pam
Post Number: 1038 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 7:38 am: | |
quote:Nice haiku, Hybridy. I think he was more influenced by this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E e_cummings |
Ro_resident Member Username: Ro_resident
Post Number: 206 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 9:16 am: | |
Technically, the two developments would be considered infill/reclamation. I would rather keep the term 'sprawl' to define developments at the suburban fringe. Portions of the development took over the former VA hospital site, other parts reclaimed portions of a landfill. If I remember correctly, deed restrictions would not allow the splitting of the old VA site for housing. Please note, I never said the development was pretty, or that it was my favorite. |
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner
Post Number: 963 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 9:44 am: | |
Admit it RO you like the goofy Looney Tune Sized entrances of the stores up on the garbage dump! My biggest question is, who would want to drink the water at the resturants built up there? |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2124 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 11:12 am: | |
http://www.robertbruegmann.com /_images/reviews/Boston%20Glob e.pdf THE OTHER SIDE |
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity
Post Number: 467 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 11:38 am: | |
Bruegmann is trying to tell us that "Really folks, Dog shit tastes good!" Har. |
Michmeister Member Username: Michmeister
Post Number: 106 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 12:35 pm: | |
20,000,000 flies can`t be wrong! |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2125 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 12:58 pm: | |
Your saying that dog shit tatses good futurecity no where at all did Bruegger even allude to that_ He said people want choices............what a crazy idea |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 106 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 1:19 pm: | |
Choices? But every major intersection in suburbia has the same strip mall with the same stores in it. Wheres the choices? |
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity
Post Number: 468 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 2:38 pm: | |
There is no choice fool. One option and one option only in this state: the hot steamy dog shit of sprawling suburbia. Give us real choice, and then talk to me. |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2128 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 11:50 pm: | |
Fuck you.Since you want to make disparaging remarks by calling me a fool I return the compliment. It takes a fairly simple mind to understand that choice means options.That is I may choose different then you. If you comprehend at a basic level(I am confident you do) then you understand that your rigid agendacized dogma is the choice you want to make for others........I'll make my own goddamn choices. If you wanna live at Warren and Conner or 32 mile and vandyke that is your business. Open up your stuffy mildewed mind. |
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity
Post Number: 469 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 12:56 am: | |
Well now we see that you're just a dick head. You're too blind or too stupid to realize that you don't have a choice. Your (our) choice is between shit and shit. Plain and simple. All the decisions are made for you. Open your eyes fool. |
Jdkeepsmiling Member Username: Jdkeepsmiling
Post Number: 186 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 12:58 am: | |
Excellent...late night arguing....exactly why I joined this forum. |
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider
Post Number: 92 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 1:28 am: | |
Shit and more shit? given that our current urban situation is bloated with problems and lack of real choices i think it is a stretch to call it all shit. I agree that our choices are sub par at best but hell here in suburbia we have endless resources at our fingertips. Countless homes and any product or food we could need. Most of the stores are clean and well run. I think most common citizens of Detroit living during the 1920's in a wonderful functioning Detroit would shit themselves if the seen a modern Meijer with all of those goods under one roof!? SO MEijer and Wal Mart occupy every major interchange in the suburbs and it sucks that there is not more choices and options but hell at least we have those stores. I have seen all of these original town centers in Macomb invest heavily in their town centers with road and lighting improvements and added parking. But none of them is nearly as successful as the many shopping centers that now dot the landscape and they are not nearly as welcoming. We live in a different world and though we all may not like it the auto and mega store chain world has taken its hold on our modern cities. Most people can complain about the lack of choice and aesthetic quite easily but residents continue to flock outward and not just in Michigan.(Go look up Anthem Parkside! I dont get it but hey it sells!) There is no question that government subsidies sprawl but it isnt like the FHA days anymore. The problems today are just different than they were in the past. no one here knows what will happen for sure to exurbia, weather our cities will continue to expand or not. We are creeping the developed land further out which has been going on for 100+ years and of course it is faster in an auto dominant society. I wonder if some guy struggling living at Davison and Ryan would consider Clinton Twp. or Auburn Hills a choice between shit and shit? |
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity
Post Number: 470 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 2:27 am: | |
"I wonder if some guy struggling living at Davison and Ryan would consider Clinton Twp. or Auburn Hills a choice between shit and shit?" Shit and shit with corn kernels. |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2129 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 7:45 am: | |
What a great intellectual debate you bring to the table futurecity. I now see no one else deserves to live in the urban shangra-la that you must inhabit_ how could we possibly be worthy. So in the meanwhile this dickhead is damn glad that there is a choice and that meddling fucks like you are bluster and nothing more. |
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity
Post Number: 471 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 10:27 am: | |
Sounds like you're standing eye-ball deep in dog shit every day. What a waste. Too bad. I can see why you would want to defend it. You have to keep telling yourself it "tastes good!", or you would feel like a total loser. |
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity
Post Number: 472 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 10:33 am: | |
And why am I a "meddling fuck?" I wish we had choice, as I think you do. And what I am saying is that we have only ONE choice in this state - the shit that we have all around us. |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2132 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 11:11 am: | |
quote:SO MEijer and Wal Mart occupy every major interchange in the suburbs and it sucks that there is not more choices and options but hell at least we have those stores. If your main goal in life is to acquire as much crap as cheaply as possible, then knock yourself out. |
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg
Post Number: 570 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 11:46 am: | |
Moderator, please flush this thread down the crapper. |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2130 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 1:16 pm: | |
I live in ann arbor future city. And sorry to disappoint you but it is actually quite nice here; nothing shitty about it. Ya see I believe that if people want Meijers or Target or Walmart or whatever they want they should have it. I don't want you or anyone else telling me how I should perceive things. I am not oblivious to sprawl.I am however willing to listen to educated reasonable people in the field ala Bruegger convey reasonable educated information. I, and others are capable of processing that info and then making up our own minds. You have an agenda. And your agenda involves the very offensive idea of thinking that the rest of us are incapable of thinking for ourselves. I am willing to listen and read an decide for myself.I really don't buy into your dogmatic ...surrounded by shit line......... |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2140 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 1:24 pm: | |
^But Walmart and Target and Meijer don't have a functional business plan unless they receive BILLIONS in subsidies from the rest of us. You want it--you pay for the damn road upgrades, sewer extensions, and medical care for their employees. Never mind the additional water and sewage treatment facilities that will be required, since the oversized parking lot will completely throw off the hydrograph of the watershed. But hey, you can get a pair of underwear for a buck and a half! |
Beavis1981 Member Username: Beavis1981
Post Number: 182 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 1:45 pm: | |
have you ever heard of a "retention pond"? |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2141 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 1:51 pm: | |
^Well, shit! Let's just screw with nature even more! Yes, as an engineer, I've heard of retention ponds. That doesn't give us license to pave everything over. Have you ever heard of "natural habitat" and "productive farmland"? |
Beavis1981 Member Username: Beavis1981
Post Number: 183 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 1:54 pm: | |
Do you live in a straw hut and farm the land? Do you walk or take horse drawn carriages everywhere? Whether you like it or not just participating in modern society makes you as much to blame as anybody else. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 5517 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 2:35 pm: | |
Suburban Sprawl = BORDOM! |
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity
Post Number: 473 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 2:47 pm: | |
My point is CL Dink Brain - I guess I have to spell it out for you: Our ONE and ONLY choice is car-oriented development. At least for the past 50 years. Development Designed For The Ease Of Automobile Use = Shit Development Designed For People = Good All of our public money/regulation goes to creating and subsidizing the former, giving us no choice. I say half of all public money/regulation and subsidy should go towards the latter. Then we would have choice. Then we can let the people decide. Sounds like you're against choice. And for the record, the center of Ann Arbor was built for human beings, so that = GOOD! The areas away from the center of Ann Arbor were designed and built not for humans first, but instead for the ease of automobile use = SHIT! |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2131 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 2:48 pm: | |
http://72.14.203.104/search?q= cache:_oLoc0WCTRoJ:www.perc.or g/pdf/guide_sprawl.pdf+MYTH+OF +SPRAWL&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl= us |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2132 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 2:57 pm: | |
The center of AA was built in the fucking 1800's how in the hell do you come up with this designed for people crap? It was designed for the time ya schmuck...........actually it was designed hodge podge they had no regulations then. |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2142 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 3:06 pm: | |
^CL--always the academic. I also couldn't help but notice that the article you linked only cites right-wing "free market" pro-sprawl wackos like Randal O'Toole, Wendell Cox, and Ronald Utt--hardly unbiased academics. I thought it was particularly brilliant that the author cited herself a couple times. If you want to consider sprawl equivalent to prosperity, then consider me determined to remain poor. |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2133 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 5:50 pm: | |
Don't care to be an academic Dan it might be over rated. My point is that when futurecity spews the dogma that he/she does I aint buying it. And a lot of others are not buying it either. There are dozens of valid observations about growth patterns. Futurecity and you are not the final word nor are either of you the only credible source_ others just as knowledgable as you actually might disagree. That is why I linked one source which I found in about a seconds time.And believe me there is plenty more where that came from.I was not thinking whether it was right wing or not;just that there are other points of view. Futurecity wants us to believe he/she is credible.And then posts adolescent crap.Honestly the asessment of Ann Arbor is just plain dumb. . |
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 841 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 6:49 pm: | |
Whether I agree with him or not, I think this thread proves Futurecity is not a credible source. Anyone whose entire argument consists of "x = shit" is not credible in my book. And regardless, you do have a choice: live somewhere that isn't sprawl. If that is outside the Detroit area, so be it. That's your choice. Just because it's a hard choice, or a choice you're too scared to make (for whatever reason), doesn't mean it's not a choice. Also, there are plenty of ways to live in the Detroit area and not participate in sprawl. I did it when I lived there. Now I live in Chicago. I live in the city, and use my car less than once a week. As mentioned in other threads, Chicago has plenty of sprawl. Schaumburg comes to mind, it's the typical comparison. You know what? I choose not to go there. There is nothing there, save for Ikea, that I can't patronize somewhere else, likely in the city or inner-ring burbs. The EXACT same cannot be said for Detroit as far as being able to patronize the exact same businesses, but you can get most everything you need without going to Lakeside, Somerset, or GLC. :shrug: |
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 509 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 6:54 pm: | |
"I live in ann arbor future city. And sorry to disappoint you but it is actually quite nice here; nothing shitty about it. " Actually your wrong CH, there is this football team there that is quite shitty when January rolls around. And to believe I rooted for you losers.. |
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity
Post Number: 474 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 7:37 pm: | |
CL - Clearly you must live in the SHIT part of Ann Arbor. |
Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 1552 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 8:49 pm: | |
Whether I agree with him or not, I think this thread proves that some of Futurecity's posts are hilarious. (Some are over the top, but you have to admit "shit and shit with corn kernels" was a good one.) |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2134 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 9:09 pm: | |
Sure great stuff...........if your twelve fucking years old. Btw Futureperson there are no shitty parts of Ann Arbor.I can walk to a chinese restaurant, a bar/ restaurant, a dry cleaner, a high end specialty food store, a bank (two of em)a music store, a coffee shop, a pizza place, another restaurant, a video store ........hell I can't list all of it.......and oh by the way every one of those places is less than a five minute walk from my door.........Forgot a krogerx2 and the bus stop right out my door_ the shit part of Ann Arbor. But best of all_ I can hop in my big old eight cylinder automobile pull out the driveway and within seconds be gliding down the road.......I love my car. |
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 515 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 9:54 pm: | |
Ann Arbor is a nice sub...city there is no doubting that. And there if I can recall are no "shit" parts of the city. Quite a nice little college town. And to prove Focusontheds point you can live in an area that doesn’t participate in the evil of sprawl and be quite content. For instance, I can walk to a Chinese restaurant, a bank, two barber shops, a pet store, a pizza hut, about 10 other restaurants, a credit union, a cd shop, and a blockbuster video....all in the city of Detroit..<gasp>...and the cool part is I doubt ill get killed along the way. And if I don’t want to walk I can hop in my performance luxury sedan made right here in the US and drive on those extremely wide Detroit streets to where I need to go. Does that now make the city more or less shitty? |
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity
Post Number: 475 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 10:11 pm: | |
So, you're a CarHead, that explains a lot. Perhaps your screen name should be Carlover. "there are no shitty parts of Ann Arbor" Only a Carlover could speak such a statement. Oh there is Plenty O' Shit in Ann Arbor. Open your eyes and look at the truth. The area outside of the center is littered with shit development - Eisenhower "Parkway", "Briarwood" Mall, Office "parks" to the south, fast-food drive thrus, acres upon acres of parking, strip centers, garage-houses and on and on. And on some more. The part of Ann Arbor that is total shit is the part that was built for cars first and people second. I can picture you in your monster V8 driving down Eisenhower on your way to Briarwood and up to your eyebrows in shit thinking "aaaahh, now this is living." |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2135 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 10:28 pm: | |
yeah ike parkway is really shitty.I bet all those people that work in those office parks are practically suicidal.That would include all music guide, dozens of um bldgs, probably some UM related start ups..........whoops sorry comrade you must be hitchin up the work horses getting ready to clear the snow so you can make it to town tomorrow........ Mayor s ya wanna compare the chances of you getting murdered in yor neighborhood compared to mine? I didn't think so.There are more murders in a weeks time in Detroit then there is in Ann Arbor in a twenty five year span of time........and that is a literal statement. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 8296 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 10:31 pm: | |
quote:Btw Futureperson there are no shitty parts of Ann Arbor. AA is a nice city and all but to claim there are no shitty areas is pushing it. Looks like we all wear blinders to some extent. |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2136 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 10:40 pm: | |
Name the shitty parts jt1. There are some public housing projects in A2 maybe six or seven of em and they are mostly people pushed out by gentrification that is about it. There aint one neighborhood in AA that I feel unsafe in. |
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 517 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 10:41 pm: | |
I think you missed the point. And that’s obvious the murder rate will be lower in AA its a glorified suburb not a major city like Detroit is, so comparing their murder rates is silly. |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2137 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 10:48 pm: | |
I did not bring the topic up you did mayor. And since I am here I will say to futurecity I am most definitely not a carhead.......... but I do love my car |
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner
Post Number: 970 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 10:54 pm: | |
its amazing how a thread can start off about sprawl and end up bashing AA. What does this have to do with the garbage dump turned stripmall? |
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity
Post Number: 476 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 11:21 pm: | |
This is a thread about development. Lets get back on track, folks. Development built for cars first = Shit Development built for people first = Good It is possible for either type to be built anywhere. However, government regulations, MDOT, CarHeads, "Developers", Huge Utility Subsidies, etc, etc, have mandated that 90% of development in this state in the last 40 years be built for cars first. Which is why most of this place looks like total shit. In the overall scheme though, places like Ann Arbor look pretty good, compared to most. Only half of Ann Arbor was built for cars first, so only half of it looks like total shit. The other half was built for people first and is quite nice. Unlike sprawl conglomerations such as Canton, Sterling Heights, etc. which were built solely with cars at the center of every design, development, use and task, and will forever be hell-holes of total shit. |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2139 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 11:36 pm: | |
half of ann arbor built for cars.............truly a pathetic statement.You have no credibility.You might have decent ideas but idiotic statements like that............anyhow it is time for others to weigh in I am done. |
Pam Member Username: Pam
Post Number: 1048 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 8:55 am: | |
Complaining about sprawl now is like closing the barn door after the horse is gone. Detroit has been sprawling since the beginning. Ribbon farms-early form of sprawl. |
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg
Post Number: 575 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 9:25 am: | |
I agree with Pam. Right from the get-go in the teens and twenties, Detroit expanded using the "single family residence/30 foot wide lot" subdivision development model. That pattern has continued (with wider and wider lots) as development expanded without regard for city limits and other political boundaries. Don't like it? Quitcherbitch'n on non-influential forums and become an activist. Change has to happen at the state legislative level. Your only other option is to move if it bothers you that much. |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2148 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 10:03 am: | |
Single-family homes do not define "sprawl". Low density development, a dependency on the automobile, and segregated land uses defines "sprawl". Those who like to ignore history might recall that even Detroit's neighborhoods of single family homes had walkable commercial strips and an extensive streetcar system. Even now, with a decimated population, Detroit still has a much higher population density than most of its crappy suburban spawn. It's real easy to say, "If you don't like sprawl, move somewhere else." There are some major problems with this: 1) Even though I live in a walkable urban neighborhood, my tax dollars are still going toward subsidizing your crappy new suburban shit by paying for new highways in horse pastures, among other things, when that money really needs to be used for more transit lines where people already live and work 2) When people who don't want sprawl DO start leaving, as they have been leaving Michigan for some time now, you all wonder where the hell the jobs are, and why your local economy sucks. 3) I love Ann Arbor, but half of it IS shit. I would definitely be suicidal if I had to work on Eisenhower Parkway. But Citylover would have me believe working in some Soviet-styled precast bunker is preferable to working in Georgetown.... Curious to know how often Citylover actually does walk to any of those places he mentions.... |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 2140 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 10:31 am: | |
With my feet Dan......glad to hear you love Ann Arbor. |
Hybridy Member Username: Hybridy
Post Number: 71 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 5:53 pm: | |
whomever thinks that meijer is a step up from way back when is kidding themselves. yea they have all the crap in one location, but have u looked at the ethnic foods section? back when we had neighborhoods that were dominated by a certain ethnicity we could go and get all of our favorite german, polish, italian what have you specialty imports. now i have to go to fuckin 15 and crooks for my delicious hortex orange mixer. |
Swingline Member Username: Swingline
Post Number: 710 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 10:49 am: | |
quote:Single-family homes do not define "sprawl". Low density development, a dependency on the automobile, and segregated land uses defines "sprawl". Excellent statement and 100% accurate. So many proponents of conventional suburban design prop up Manhattan-level density as the model that anti-sprawl folks would impose on the country. It's a completely invalid straw-man argument. |
Jjw Member Username: Jjw
Post Number: 258 Registered: 10-2005
| Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 6:50 pm: | |
try to get a copy of the March, 2007 issue of National Geographic. Great article on Orlando and the future of sprawl. |
Ray Member Username: Ray
Post Number: 850 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 11:11 pm: | |
Kunstler is a god. Read Geography of Nowhere, a book that changed my life. DaninDC is very smart and usually right, but his dirty secret is that he lives in Reston. |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2160 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 11:27 am: | |
Ray, please shoot me if I even think about living in Reston. No amount of money or Kool Aid could make me want to live out there. FWIW, I actually live on Capitol Hill. Home From Nowhere is a decent sequel by Kunstler, although it seems like it has a bit more of a pissy attitude. I've been re-reading The City in Mind, also by Kunstler, which is a series of personal, historical, and cultural observations of several world cities. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Kunstler also has a pretty decent blog--I'm a big fan. www.kunstler.com |