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Harpernottingham
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:00 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I drive an average car. It's of average size and average height. I don't need anything more; it suits me just fine. But more and more these days, I find my road vision obstructed by oversized SUVs and minivans and other similar vehicles.

If I can't see past the SUV in front of me (and to either side of me), somethin's seriously wrong on our roads.

This is probably gonna piss some folks off, but all I'm sayin' is, hey, if you don't need it, don't buy it. Those things are just detrimental to the rest of us average Joes in our average cars.

Psst ... SUV drivers ... we can't see around you. You make a better door than a window.
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Enduro
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:11 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It drives me nuts to see a couple year old (and older) pick up truck with a virginal bed. No scratches or signs of use. I hope the driver still feels like a big man/woman when the water level rises 20 feet.

There is one wagon though, I believe the Magnum is still in production. Then there is the new "crossover" which are some of the butt-ugliest motor cars ever produced.
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Ray1936
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:12 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I drive a Ford Explorer. It's practical. Just the other day I put a 12 cubic foot freezer from Home Depot in the back end and brought it home...no delivery charges. Earlier I picked up some 4x8 sheets of plywood. No problem; zip it goes into the back. Then, on my drives to MI when the wife doesn't go along, I throw an air mattress and sleeping bag in the back and beat four nights of motel bills.

So buy a Corvette and you can look UNDER me, 'cause I ain't changing.
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Detroit_stylin
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:13 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well Ray at least you use yours for the purpose that it was made for,..
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Cambrian
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:26 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes! A thread I can identify with. I own a '74 Country Squire, That was Ford's Top Shelf wagon back in the day, it's based on the LTD platform. It is adorned with tasteful wood side trim to compliment the car's excellent styling. Putting the power to the pavement is a smooth yet very torquey 460 4v V8. There is a station wagon owner's club, with a classified section so you folks can check out a cool old grocery getter of your own.
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Bob_cosgrove
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 1:25 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doesn't Saturn still make a wagon?
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Mackinaw
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 1:44 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Volvo, Mercedes Benz, Volkswagon, and Subaru all make fine wagons, but clearly you can't buy their exceptional products as a Detroiter (sarcasm). I really like the Dodge Magnum, but Mercedes' wagon is the best. As someone who was driven around in a Ford Country Squire wagon as a youth, I cannot say enough good things about the practicality, beauty, and coolness of the station wagon.
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Lilpup
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 2:08 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've been told by salesmen that the Ford Focus wagon should be coming out mid-year. My Escort wagon is starting to bite the dust. I'm hoping it lasts until then. There was one last year but most are sold already.
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Scottr
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 2:39 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bob, not anymore, the L-series is discontinued, replaced by the Aura which does not have a wagon variant in the US yet. Rumors on the web have said one may join the line up in possibly 2008 or 2009.

This year they will be coming out with the Astra (replacement for ion), one of which is a 5-door hatch. That's not a wagon, granted, but probably the closest GM has other than crossovers. (which personally, i like)
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Jerome81
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 2:55 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can't believe we're having a thread about how awesome station wagons are! What's next, how awesome the minivan is?! *rolling eyes*

To all you station wagon owners: Please get those ugly things off the road. I can't see around anything in my Miata anyways, so what I do have to look at, please, anything but a station wagon :-)
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Drankin21
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 5:54 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Take a look at the new 5 door Saturn Astra that was just unveiled a the Chicago auto show. It's an exact copy of the Opel Astra over here (Germany). The Saturn Aura (Car of the year at the Detroit Auto Show) has an Opel variant (Vectra) over here that is a traditional wagon. There is a chance that this car may make it over to the states soon as a Saturn.
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Bigjeff
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 8:33 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well if you don't get it with all wheel drive the Cadillac SRX looks to me very wagon like!
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Goat
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 8:51 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The station wagon is here...The Chrysler Pacifica.
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Christos
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 8:56 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dont forget the Pontiac Vibe. I have one, and I love it. Not a true station wagon- even though my insurance company consideres it that. Its a great car, as I have never had any problems with it, and I put 150,000 miles on it in 4 years.
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Mallory
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 9:07 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Where have you been? The station wagon HAS been back. They felt that the actual term would scare people off, so they dubbed them "crossovers." Sorry, but have you seen the Cadillac SRX? Now THAT is a station wagon. Ugly too.
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Ndavies
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 9:37 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dodge makes an incredible traditional Station Wagon. The Dodge Magnum. Great looks. wonderful engine options. It's even available with AWD and an MDS hemi engine. Built on the same platform as the 300C it is a great handling vehicle.

Too bad there's not a bigger demand for it.
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Drankin21
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 9:43 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love the Magnum SRT-8. A station wagon with attitude
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Gannon
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 9:51 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All copies of the wonderful sportwagon that Audi has been putting out in various sizes for years.

Yawn.

1.8T A4 Avant Quattro with manual trans, sunroof, and sports seats.

250,000 miles, just breaking in. Can't wait for my next trip to California.
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Fury13
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 10:53 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pontiac Vibe/Toyota Matrix is a great wagon. A very versatile vehicle. And it's got Toyota internals, so you know it'll be durable and fuel efficient.

Don't forget about the Scion xA and xB. They're wagons too, and very popular. Good mpg as well.
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Bob
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 10:59 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I also have a Pontiac Vibe and love it. I have had it for 4 years and have had no problems with it (I have 75,000 miles on mine). Great gas mileage, great space inside, and reasonably prices. Although my wife and I have a child coming and we need a slightly larger vehicle so I am looking at the Saturn Vue Hybrid.
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Cushkid
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 11:01 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dont forget about the ford freestyle, Decent power, fuel efficient CVT trans and available all wheel drive.
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Gannon
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 11:02 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Long-term keeper, I'd go with the V-6...and a manual trans, if they'll letcha.

IF you go Hybrid, only lease and stay within the letter of the law with maintenance. Don't let yourself be exposed to any of those repair costs. Make sure battery replacement and disposal can never be out of your pocket!

Love that new low-key green they came out with...good looking.
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Mjb3
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 11:12 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cambrian,

Does your Country Squire have the roll down window in the back and the rumbleseat folding out of the back compartment?

My Grandfather had a 74 C. Squire LTD. Spent many trips in the rumbleseat. I heard NHTSA banned those roll down windows due to fumes inhaled by inahbitants, oh well.

It had beautiful mahogany paneling on the sides. Only PT cruiser is available with wood trim anymore.
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Cambrian
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes I have the power rear window. The tail pipes exit out the quarter panels, I've not noticed fumes, but then again when that window is down, the others are down too. (busted AC). No jump seats in the back, that was an option the original purchaser did not opt for, in their place is a storage area.
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Jimaz
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Every once in a while I'll be waiting for traffic to clear so I can turn right and an SUV will avoid pulling up all the way or sometimes they'll even back up so I can see. Now that's a classy driver! I like to pay back that courtesy to others.

What kind of station wagon did they use in National Lampoon's Vacation? Was that a Country Squire?
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Cambrian
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, the family truckster was a '79 Country squire modified a little bit on the outside to disguise the appearance. Why they did that I'm not sure. Perhaps to avoid paying anything to Ford?
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Sknutson
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I loved riding in the back of my grandfather's VISTACRUISER!
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Gannon
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 1:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Open rear windows only act as CO vacuums when the other windows are tightly shut.

Same lesson with those old GM ones where the windows rolled UP into the roof.

Long live the traditional station wagon, better if it has wood side panels.
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Beavis1981
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 1:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Look into subaru! they make a very good car/wagon
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Dtrain
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 6:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ah! I miss the old wagons. I remember my friend's parents had a Kingswood Estate with the old GM clamshell tailgate. We took a school fieldtrip with about ten kids before the days of seatbelt laws.
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Scottr
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/quote{Every once in a while I'll be waiting for traffic to clear so I can turn right and an SUV will avoid pulling up all the way or sometimes they'll even back up so I can see.}

You lie!! Truly, I am beginning to think SUV owners have to sign an agreement that they would not do such a thing, in fact, if possible, pull up as far past the line as they can. If they can see so much better, why do they need to pull up so damn far? At least if a car does, I can see through their windows - instead with an SUV, all I see is a metal wall!

okay, rant over.

I had forgotten about the vibe, i think i'd have to revise my previous statement to include that.

Still, none of these cars are like my 1982 AMC Eagle Wagon. Damn I loved that thing, and it had seen far better days by the time I had it.
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FWIW, I drive a Jeep Liberty and on the registration it's classified as a Station Wagon...go figure. And before anyone jumps on my case, yes, I do use it for its intended purpose. A dirty Jeep is a happy Jeep!

Scottr, glad to see some love for the Eagle wagon! My first car was a 1981 Spirit, even though I wanted the Eagle. Guess I'll have to go eBaying.
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 8:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My Mazda 5 is classified as a station wagon by the EPA on the window sticker. It is shorter than a minivan, lower than an SUV but it has three rows of seats and manual (stick) transmission. I can haul just about anything because both back rows fold down, but I can also carry my daughters and three of their friends. I also get 24 in the city and 32 on the highway.
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my Dodge Caliber is classified a STAtion WAGon on the registration. its been trouble free for 23,000 miles in 7 months...

my parents had a 73 Country Squire LTD wagon. Wimbledon White with the wood siding. it had the center facing jump seats in back and the early version of 'climate control' where you choose a temperature and the heat/AC maintains that temp...

ours only had a 400M engine with about 175hp but GOBS AND GOBS of torque. it had the trailer towing package on it...

LOVE the station wagon...

david
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Harpernottingham
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It's good to see people use the SUVs for their intended purpose. I just wish that those who didn't would trade 'em in for a normal sized vehicle. It just seems to me that too many of 'em are ostentatious showoffs who are needlessly guzzling gas and blocking the view of the rest of us.

For those of you who drive SUVs, just imagine if half of the other vehicles on the road were 18-wheelers. That's how we feel when we're stuck driving behind you.
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Flybydon
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Ahhh! The H2 makes a great platform for looking down into cars that has ladies with short skirts. Besides, everybody looks at you especially when the base is booming. Not to mention if it should show this thing will be ready. The all around urban assault vehicle.

Oh yea, it's classified as a station wagon also.



Flyby drives a Durango and pleased to do so. Need something big to cary all the daughters "stuff" to and from collage.
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Subaru? Guess what, the Pontiac Vibe is rated as the highest "station wagon" for quality in its class. Over the Toyota Matrix, Fury...
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Beavis1981
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The vibe is a matrix.
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Cambrian
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My Squire's 460 is rated at 197 SAE net HP. It's no high spoolin' V6 like you'd find in today's wagons, but I'll tell you a story. My kid and I took the squire on a family trip a few years back, on US 24 northern OH I get stuck behind a semi with 5 cars trailing behind too knock kneed to pass. On a clear stretch I put my foot down and passed them all in milli seconds, a glance at the speedo indicated we hit 115 by the time I over took the semi. But the delivery was so smooth my kid never once looked up from her hand held video game.

(Message edited by cambrian on February 06, 2007)

(Message edited by cambrian on February 07, 2007)
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Hybridy
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Flybydon

bringing up the fact that you have a college-aged daughter and that you advocate driving hummers to get a "better view" can only be telling about how active your daughter is in the "college-scene"
sure hope shes not in a sorority and/or brings home guys that played a sport with a ball in high school
shiiiiiiit
notes-i think you mean bass not base
collage???
im thinking college
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Warrenite84
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My next restoration project happens to be a 1959 Chevy Kingswood Wagon. It has a 348 big block, 4-barrel carb., and a rear facing third seat. It seats NINE. Try that in a minivan. (It also has wind deflectors on the sides of the rear window to keep the back seat CO free.)

The last best station wagon was the one shared by Chevy, Buick & Olds in the 1990's.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 9:14 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Beavis, you proved your name.

The Vibe and Matrix are sister cars, not the same.

The Vibe was rated higher by consumers.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 12:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Drive the Chrysler Pacifica.
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Fury13
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57 Plymouth!
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Nice pic Fury. Proud happy owner of a VW Passat wagon.....VR6 223500 miles. Still going strong and carries everything I need comfortably.
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Beavis1981
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pfft-does that change the fact it is a poorly rebadged toyota?
I refrained from making a snide remark when you attacked my simple statement of subaru. I usually at least attempt not to be ass. Unfortunetly the ignorance you spewed forth warrants a response.

1.

2006 Pontiac Vibe: Highlights

The 4-dr wagon is basically a restyled Toyota Matrix, sharing a Toyota-sourced design and 4-cyl powertrains. Vibe comes in base models with front-wheel drive and all-wheel drive, and in a sporty front-drive GT model. The base front-drive model has 126 hp and offers a 5-speed manual transmission or optional 4-speed automatic. The AWD version has 118 hp and comes only with the automatic transmission. The GT has 164 hp and comes only with a 6-speed manual transmission. ABS is optional on the base front-drive model and standard on the others. An antiskid system is available on front-drive models. GTs have rear disc brakes instead of drums. An option for all models combines front side airbags and curtain side airbags. OnStar assistance and leather upholstery are also available. Sunroof, power windows/locks, appearance add-ons, and other features are offered in various packages. Available through dealers is a supercharger kit that boosts the front-drive base model to 175 hp. Vibe's performance and accommodations mirror those of equivalent Matrixes.

Competition

Consumer Guide® Automotive places each vehicle into one of 17 classes based on size, price, and market position. Compact Cars comprise the smallest passengers cars. These vehicles range from tiny economy models to slightly larger, popularly priced sedans, hatchbacks, and wagons.

Our Best Buys include Chrysler PT Cruiser, Honda Civic, Mazda 3, and Pontiac Vibe/Toyota Matrix twins. Our Recommended picks include Chevrolet Cobalt, Ford Focus, Hyundai Elantra, Kia Spectra, and Toyota Corolla.

New or significantly redesigned models include Chevrolet HHR, Hyundai Accent, Kia Rio, and Volkswagen Golf and Jetta.
from http://consumerguideauto.howst uffworks.com/2006-pontiac-vibe -6.htm
after all the "consumers" decided the vibe was good in the first place.
2. This thread was about actual usefull station wagons not NUVs or niche utility vehicles.
3. I have looked over a matrix and driven a vibe. They are identical mechanically and look damn near the same. It is one of those cars that annoys you from the minute you start it up. Expect the usual buzzy, cammy, overworked small displacement 4cyl. As soon as you turn the key you know you are in a 4 banger. I just love hearing that beutiful engine purr everytime I give it a little gas and it drops down a gear. Then it shoots up about 2000 rpms sending pulses to drive the self vibrating wheel and pedals. Maybe it was designed a a massager? Predictably, when you try to use it like a wagon by putting more than two adults and moderate cargo gas milage drops considerably.
4. On the other hand-the subaru
I drive a awd outback on fairly regular basis. The 2.5 165hp flat-4 engine is the culmination of 20+yrs of evolution. It has just enough power and is never buzzy,rough,or annoying. The awd is perfect for icy backroads yet you don't even know its there. The interior has way more design than your typical import.
5. In conclusion, the vibe is a matrix, it sucks and only appeals to middle aged women goin through a midlife crisis, and the subaru is still a competant vehicle like I stated earlier. enjoy basking in your newly discovered ignorance.

(Message edited by beavis1981 on February 07, 2007)
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This past year I became park of the problem. I bought the bro-in-law's Buick Rendezvous on Mrs. Lowell's prompting. I needed a car, never buy new and it was too good of a deal to pass up ashe was giving it away way below blue book because why? He was moving to a Hummer.

It is called a cross over meaning, I guess, not an SUV. not a van. With its high profile and tinted rear windows it is a sight blocker as detestable as any SUV or PU.

The rise of the minivan and then the SUV started a visibility 'arms race'. 'You might have a vette, but I can see over you but you can,t see beyond me' thinking. A lot of people went big just to see more in traffic than the spare tire on the SUV in front of them.

Since I was a truck driver for several years this is a throwback -- driving by mirrors as you can barely see when backing up -- especially at night with the tinted windows. So it is 'Back up until you hear glass or smell s***' as the truck driver said back in the day.

It does have a sensor that beeps at 4 feet from an object and frantically at one foot. It helps some but not enough to.get Mrs. Lowell to drive it.

Yeah its nice to have the view and for schlepping my big paintings but I wish all vans, sedan. suvs and pu's were mandated to have the same untinted eyelevel.
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Cambrian
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I've often thought some sort of parascope linked to a video monitor that could be integrated into the aerial antenna would be a nifty idea.
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Gannon
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Ultimate SUV unfunded mandate:see-through screens.

Same basic technology as your antenna-periscope, only different application.

They demonstrated 'invisibility clothes' a year or so ago where the fabric was actually a video screen displaying the image picked up on the other side of the object you wanted to cloak.

I wouldn't have any problem with SUVs if a significant portion of them even just appeared to be see-through.
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Ray1936
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You'd probably hate being behind me, Gannon. My Explorer's back window is heavily tinted as are all the SUVs in Las Vegas. Warding off the desert sun is much more important than your view. But just honk twice and I'll pull into the parking lot of the nearest bar and buy us a beer.
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Chris_rohn
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Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 4:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)





The last great station wagon. My dream car.
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Cambrian
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Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 4:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I did not find the styling that appealing on those later GM wagons, but the LT1 under the hood was sure no slouch.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 4:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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I wouldn't have any problem with SUVs if a significant portion of them even just appeared to be see-through.



i thought that was a great idea at first, until i realized a see-through car would probably not be a good thing - imagine the accidents, with the excuse 'i didn't see you!'. I'm sure something could be done along those lines while still avoiding that problem though, but people wouldn't buy it - they'd think it's ugly, and they are more concerned about how their vehicle looks than how safe it is for other drivers.
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Beavis1981
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Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 5:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think the lt1 was only standard on the roadmaster wagon
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Beavis1981
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I beleive the caprice and older roadmasters started with a tbi 350 not sure though
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Cambrian
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Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 5:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Standard fare was the 305, that was gone on the B body's by 94. Then the LT1 was standard. Olds's Custom cruiser was available for one year only on that platform, I think that had a 307.
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Beavis1981
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The 94-96 fleetwoods were also lt1 equipped. When did they stop using the 307?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 5:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"You think you hate it now, wait till you drive it!" Family Truckster, yeah.
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Cambrian
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Beav, they woulda kept the 307 until the last day of the old fleetwood body 1993, I'm supposing. Wasn't the first time in Cadillac's History, not including Cimmaron or the X car Seville, one of their cars had a non Cadillac engine? People were so disgusted with the 250 cid they had to drop it in 1985 and offer Olds engines.

(Message edited by cambrian on February 07, 2007)
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I grew up in a 'Dad worked at Dodge Truck' house, but I do love my 2nd Subaru. bbrroommmm. Back in the dark ages, I didn't need an SUV, my '63 Plymouth Sport Fury could hold just about anything and had a V-8 to move it! Now that's a car I really miss.
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Cambrian
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Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 8:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My sexy Squire.


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Austinjohn
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I am driving a 2005 Saab 9-5 Sport Wagon, and they are still selling it. It is a great wagon with a 2.3 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder. I love mine! They are also selling the 9-3 Sport Combi. Although they are made in Sweden, General Motors markets them in the US. Very affordable on a lease through GMAC.
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Ray1936
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That is one beautiful car, Cambrian. Thx for posting it.
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Jimaz
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Seeking the etymology of "station wagon" at Wikipedia's Station wagon, this appeared:
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The name 'station wagon' is a derivative of 'depot hack'; it was a wagon that carried people and luggage from the train station to various local destinations.

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56packman
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To add to Jimaz's post re: the origin of the station wagon name, the first station wagons were somewhat expensive, and with the exception of Ford and Plymouth mainly built on mid to upper series chassis'. The bodies were made of wood, ash framing with mahogany inset panels. The owner’s manual stipulated that the owner was to sand and varnish the wood surfaces every spring and fall--not a problem for the wealthy that still had chauffeurs (most of whom left that line of work for factory work in the late 30's)
The main buyers of these early station wagons were resort hotels like the Greenbrier in VA. Wealthy patrons of these hotels began buying station wagons just before WWII. Willys (pronounced "Willis") introduced an all-steel bodied station wagon in 1946, although it was styled and painted to resemble a "woody" wagon. The Willys wagon was the first American SUV in many ways. With the wholesale adoption of the all-steel car body the station wagon became an all-steel product. Some manufacturers like Buick kept trimming their wagons with real wood into the 1950's. By the mid 50's most wagons were all steel construction, many with no trace of wood. About that time the practice of putting vinyl contact paper (called "Dynoc") wood trim on station wagons began, leading to the cars like Cambrian's LTD. The death knell of the traditional American wagon came with the introduction of the Chrysler minivans. Pretty much made the traditional wagon obsolete to the point where it is now a specialty car.

An old joke:
Stosh and Stan go and buy a ford County Squire station wagon. They drive it home and immediately go into the garage and get crowbars, putty knives, screwdrivers etc.
After they pull all of the wood grain vinyl off of the car Stan looks at Stosh and says
"You know Stan, dat car looked better when it was in dat crate"
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I am currently driving a BMW 520i touring (BMWese for station wagon) E-34 model. I am not some kind of yuppie, I just drive what I break (mechanic at a bmw dealership in Germany). Best car I ever had! Good power, good mileage, one of the first panorama sunroofs etc. Bought it with around 65t miles-laughable as the engines last forever with minimal maintainance. Do they get sold in the states, the BMW wag, uh excuse me, tourings? Great cars, unfortunately wrong price tag.
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Kiplinger
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Very proud owner of an Audi A6 Avant. As a former owner of Volkswagens (and a couple American cars) the Avant steps it up quite a bit without those strange VW quirks. I love it and plan to replace it with another one in a couple years.
Have you seen the Jaguar station wagon?
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56packman
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Does it look like this?


harold's Jag hearse
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56packman
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Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 11:43 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Or like this?

What if--Harold updated
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Cambrian
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Yes! Harold and Maude. A classic.
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Jrvass
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Is that a baby funeral hearse? Sick!

I'll take my Avalanche with aircraft landing lights and 3 trumpet diesel freight train air horns anyday.

Yeah, it's illegal. So what? It's not like I'm going to x-ray a cop with my lights or break his neck when he jumps out of his seat when I toot the horn while he decides what color of green to go on!

I reserve that "special treatment" for the truly clueless! ;^)

James
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Quinn
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I hate being behind SUV's, especially in slow traffic. I love driving them though...in the same condition...you can see over traffic and what's causing the problem.

I had a smaller SUV for a few years but got rid of it because of the gas issue. We have a station wagon now that, while totally politically correct for efficiency/safety blah blah blah...is a little boring.

It helps that it's an old volvo and I plastered bumper stickers across the back.
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Spitty
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Here's the 2008 Taurus X (aka 2007 Freestyle) it's Ford's closest sibling to a station wagon, but don't let them hear you call it that. As much as it looks exactly like a tall station wagon, it's considered a crossover.






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Michmeister
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We had an AMC Ambassador station wagon way back when..... what a dinosaur! But I`ll be damned if you couldn`t stage an oval-track bicycle race in the beast! Those were the days.....

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