  Tkelly1986 Member Username: Tkelly1986 Post Number: 225 Registered: 01-2004 |
With the superbowl upon us and the talk around town that Detroit hosted a better party than Miami, when could Detroit feasibly bid for another superbowl? It seems like the superbowl is in Miami or New Orleans every other year, so why can’t Detroit jump in the mix? I know Houston is getting it, or maybe already had it, can’t remember; but anyway, when does everyone thing Detroit could make another push? (Message edited by tkelly1986 on February 04, 2007) | ||
Gsgeorge Member Username: Gsgeorge Post Number: 101 Registered: 08-2006 |
ten or fifteen years. by that time people will actually want to have the superbowl here. | ||
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 536 Registered: 12-2005 |
Bids for the 2011 SB will be presented to the NFL owners in May of this year. Roger Penske's people are acting as advisors to the group that is putting the Indianapolis 2011 SB bid package together. [source] | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 245 Registered: 11-2006 |
Well, I dont like that. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 70 Registered: 05-2006 |
I don't see cold weather cities being in the SB rotation but getting in from time to time. The good thing the cities like Chicago and New York and Boston our competition don't have domes. However you must think they will throw a bone to Indy/or St Louis which will make our wait longer. | ||
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve Post Number: 126 Registered: 11-2006 |
The NFL likes to give SBs to cities who build new (esp. domed) stadia for NFL teams. It worked for Detroit and it will probably work for Indy. I'd bet on it. | ||
Gene Member Username: Gene Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2006 |
Lets get real here. False facades on abandoned buildings, fake temporary restaurants? Spend the money where it is really needed. Lets try for a "World class" educational system in Detroit so the kids have a chance in the world, not on a one day party that is all but a memory. BTW the worst bus ride I ever had in my life was on one of the Superbowl shuttles. The Superbowl is not the ticket for Detroit to become the next "World class city". | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 3746 Registered: 10-2003 |
And I dont beleive that anyone implied that Gene. People for the most part are just saying that if we can continue to get the publicity from pulling off such major events then investment dollars could potentially keep coming in especially if visitor's expereinces were positive. Then that investement can furtheer help what the casinos and other current investments where we are getting revenues from can furthur contribute to our city services... | ||
Scottr Member Username: Scottr Post Number: 219 Registered: 07-2006 |
You're right Gene, it's not the ticket for Detroit to become the next "World class city". What it DOES do, is let the rest of the world know that we are becoming one. XL let the world know we're not as bad as they thought, and we're on our way. If the improvements continue the way they have, another one would be appropriate to show the world what we really are. Also, money 'not' spent on a super bowl would not go to education, or much of anything else. What money was put into bringing it here, easily came back to us a few times over with the amount of money spent by visitors. Much like the Big 3, Detroit faces a perception problem as much as anything. (Message edited by scottr on February 04, 2007) | ||
Gene Member Username: Gene Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2006 |
Scottr, City's including Detroit invest too much in casinos, taxpayer subsidized sports colosseums and one day sports events. Lets get back to attracting investment with good schools, roads and low crime rates. | ||
Tkelly1986 Member Username: Tkelly1986 Post Number: 226 Registered: 01-2004 |
Miami is a fun town yea, but there is nothing around Joe Robbie(Dolphin Stadium). Detroit in 5 years or so could blow XL away....heads have been turned already, lets just hope we get a chance to make them do a Linda Blair. (Message edited by tkelly1986 on February 04, 2007) | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 3749 Registered: 10-2003 |
linda you mean Tkelly? | ||
Innercitydoc Member Username: Innercitydoc Post Number: 21 Registered: 09-2006 |
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Scottr Member Username: Scottr Post Number: 221 Registered: 07-2006 |
Gene, it's not a zero-sum game. the money invested in those things wouldn't have gone to improving schools or crime or anything else anyways. it's ADDITIONAL investment, all of which have brought even more money into the area and further investment. One does not preclude the other, if anything, they eventually bring on more of the other. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2371 Registered: 10-2004 |
If Detroit gets another, expect it every twenty years or so and not sooner. There are about 20 cities that either have warmer winters than Detroit or have indoor stadia in the NFL. This point has been mentioned before and makes sense. Therefore, don't expect another SB until the mid 2020s. | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 246 Registered: 11-2006 |
LY, you just make stuff up. You dont have any clue. Even the NFL opened the door by saying Detroit could be in a 10-12 year rotation | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 7390 Registered: 10-2003 |
City's including Detroit invest too much in casinos, taxpayer subsidized sports colosseums and one day sports events. Lets get back to attracting investment with good schools, roads and low crime rates. Gene, Detroit hasn't invested a dime in casinos or stadiums. The casinos are funding their own projects, plus fund the City's costs of policing them. (As well as covered the City's costs of land acquisition for the riverfront plan.) Wayne County put a tax on car rentals to kick in $60 million towards Ford Field (to help offset the cost of building in a greenfield,) the Fords put in $300 million. Plus, after 30 years, the County will own the stadium. Comerica Park got similar help from the county, but not the city. As for schools, Detroiters voted themselves a $1 billion bond issue for construction of new schools. Otherwise, the State is responsible for funding education. If we're going to tackle the problems that this region face, it'd be helpful if the citizens understood how things work in the first place. And you should have written "cities," not "city's." (Message edited by itsjeff on February 04, 2007) | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2372 Registered: 10-2004 |
Dream on, spirited one (what are you, 90 proof?): SB venues Over half of the Super Bowls have been played in one of three cities: New Orleans, Louisiana (nine times, six times at the Louisiana Superdome and three times at now-demolished Tulane Stadium), the Greater Miami Area (nine total, five times at Miami's Orange Bowl and three times at Miami Gardens' Dolphin Stadium), and the Greater Los Angeles Area (seven total, five times at Pasadena's Rose Bowl stadium and twice at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum). Tampa, Florida has hosted the Super Bowl three times (twice at the now demolished Tampa Stadium and one time at Raymond James Stadium). Miami Gardens has been selected to host Super Bowl XLIV in 2010. Although Hurricane Katrina damaged the Louisiana Superdome and the city of New Orleans, it was renovated, and some city officials have stated that they would like to put in another bid sometime in the future. The last time the Los Angeles area hosted the game was Super Bowl XXVII in 1993; the area is currently not considered a possible venue after the league's two teams vacated the city in 1995: the Raiders moved back to Oakland, California, and the Rams moved to St. Louis, Missouri. A potential venue currently must meet these qualifications in order to be a Super Bowl host: * Average high temperature of at least 50 degrees Fahrenheit in February, unless the game is being played in an indoor arena. * Stadium with 65,000 seats or more. * Space for 10 photo trailers and 40 television trucks. * 600,000 square feet of exhibit space for fan events. * Large, high-end hotel for teams and NFL. * 50,000 square feet of space for news media ("Radio Row"). * Enough "quality" hotel rooms within a one-hour drive for 35% of the stadium's capacity. * Separate practice facilities for each team. Exceptions are at the discretion of the NFL. For instance, cruise ships made up the discrepancy in hotel rooms for Jacksonville in Super Bowl XXXIX and cities with cold weather such as Minneapolis and Detroit have been awarded Super Bowls because the cities' stadiums had a roof. | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2006 |
LY- Detroit meets EVERY "qualification" you list. And, as a matter of fact, there will be even more hotel space in the next 3 years, including a "high-end hotel" for teams and NFL (BC). Another thought: the Big 3 are STILL the largest advertisers, and can, as seen by Super Bowl XL, pull their weight and land the event. Media members said at the time, and since, that Detroit's Radio Row and media setup at the RenCen was the BEST. When Detroit got the bid 5 years ago for SB XL downtown was in much worse shape than it is in today, and in 5 more years it will be even better off. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2373 Registered: 10-2004 |
Pure and simple: February in Detroit doesn't reek of a typical winter vacation venue. The primary reason for the SB in Detroit was the sponsorship of Ford Motor Company over the years. Hell, by the next "10- to 12-year cycle," there may be no more FMC. Lucky, they got it when they did. There's more to a Super Bowl than the game, and fans and the media both still like warm places during February. Last year was an exceptionally warm winter. Just see what the response would have been if the fans and media instead were confronted with this coming cold snap where the highs are only going to be in the low double digits with wind chills -15 degrees like today, instead of that balmy 2006. And this is a "warm" El Niño winter, to boot. (Message edited by LivernoisYard on February 04, 2007) | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 248 Registered: 11-2006 |
Haha. Changing course again | ||
Gene Member Username: Gene Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2006 |
Gene, Detroit hasn't invested a dime in casinos or stadiums. The casinos are funding their own projects, plus fund the City's costs of policing them. (As well as covered the City's costs of land acquisition for the riverfront plan.) Wayne County put a tax on car rentals to kick in $60 million towards Ford Field (to help offset the cost of building in a greenfield,) the Fords put in $300 million. Plus, after 30 years, the County will own the stadium. Comerica Park got similar help from the county, but not the city. As for schools, Detroiters voted themselves a $1 billion bond issue for construction of new schools. Otherwise, the State is responsible for funding education. If we're going to tackle the problems that this region face, it'd be helpful if the citizens understood how things work in the first place. And you should have written "cities," not "city's." So where did the money come from to purchase land, buy out and relocate businesses like Detroit Elevator that were in the defunct Casino District on the riverfront?? Most of which sits vacant now. Besides original post said "taxpayers" which would include Wayne County. Thanks for the grammar lesson. (Message edited by gene on February 04, 2007) | ||
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve Post Number: 127 Registered: 11-2006 |
Spiritofdetroit: "Another thought: the Big 3 are STILL the largest advertisers, and can, as seen by Super Bowl XL, pull their weight and land the event." Good point. Also remember the NFL is very clanish. The SB also was a reward for a long time NFL owner, the Ford family. | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 250 Registered: 11-2006 |
Detroit got the Superbowl because of the new stadium and because of Ford. BUT, because of the impression and spectacular show Detroit put on, beating everyones expectations, it is certainly possible Detroit could successfully land another. Downtown Detroit will also be in a much better position to host the event. And, the Ford family, and the Big 3 itself, can push for it | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 248 Registered: 11-2003 |
Shouldn't Kwame be vying for another Detroit superbowl rather than Roger Penske? After all it is Kwame's job to bring economic activity to the city. It kind of sucks that Miami has it in 2010 also. What has Kwame actually done for the city? | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 251 Registered: 11-2006 |
Yes, Kwame has to make the actual bid for a Super Bowl, and I am sure he will. Penske cannot make a bid. He didnt last time, and he wont in the future. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 7391 Registered: 10-2003 |
So where did the money come from to purchase land, buy out and relocate businesses like Detroit Elevator that were in the defunct Casino District on the riverfront?? Most of which sits vacant now. Besides original post said "taxpayers" which would include Wayne County. The City funded the land takings because they could claim eminent domain. But they were reimbursed by the casinos. The "taxpayers" haven't paid anything for the casinos, and, again, Wayne County's contribution for the stadiums came by way of a tax on car rentals. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 7392 Registered: 10-2003 |
What has Kwame actually done for the city? He cut the ranks of city employees by a couple of thousand, then negotiated a 20% pay cut for the rest. He convinced Council to give up control of the Zoo, Eastern Market and the Historical Museum. He launched NextDetroit, which brought about "Clean Downtown" and his proposal to focus City attention on three specific neighborhoods. He's been remarkable at attracting private investment and even more successful at getting money from philanthropic orgs. Although I live in Detroit, I'm not a big user of City services. So I can't tell you if the buses are running on time or if the Rec centers are well-run. I can say that Detroit looks better to me than it ever has in my lifetime. During the worst local economy in decades. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 2098 Registered: 07-2004 |
If Indianapolis wants the superbowl they should get it.Certainly before Detroit does again.Indy has hosted the NCAA final four so they know how to do this sort of thing. Btw Detroit is scheduled to hold the final four and that is what the focus should be on now.That is gonna be a great thing for the city. Regarding last years superbowl Detroit was the only city to bid 2006 and yes Fomoco is a huge sponsor of the NFL. | ||
Enduro Member Username: Enduro Post Number: 51 Registered: 11-2006 |
The NFL won't throw us a bone until we build a new stadium. The only reason historic Yankee stadium is getting the MLB All Star game is because it's being torn down. The big four sports leagues will use the "Bowl Game"/"All Star Weekend" as a carrot-on-a-stick to build new stadiums or move teams. That's the new formula. | ||
French777 Member Username: French777 Post Number: 116 Registered: 10-2006 |
Who is going to want SB 50 SB L lol | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 51 Registered: 12-2006 |
Enduro, Comparing how MLB awards the All-Star Game to how the NFL awards the Super Bowl are two different things. the stadium building boom has effected MLB much more than the NFL. The almost all of MLB teams are playing in Stadiums that are 20 years old or younger. NFL on the other hand still has a large number of its teams playing in older stadiums. Off the top of my head, here are the NFL teams playing in older stadiums Chicago Bears- Soldier Field NY Giants- Giants Stadium NY Jets- Giants Stadium Indianapolis Colts- RCA Dome Minnesota Vikings- Metrodome Miami Dolphins- Pro Player Stadium New Orleans Saints- Superdome Dallas Cowboys- Texas Stadium Green Bay Packers- Lambeau Field Buffalo Bills- Ritchie Stadium Atlanta Falcons- Georgia Dome Kansas City Chiefs- Arrowhead Stadium Oakland Raiders- Oakland Colliseum San Diego Chargers- Qualcom Stadium San Francisco 49ers- Candlestick Park (or whatever it is called now) That is still 15 out of 32 teams play in stadiums 20 years or older. | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 421 Registered: 12-2006 |
Chargers- Trying to move (if I remember correctly) 49ers- Trying to move (if I remember correctly) Colts- Moving soon (if I remember correctly) Bears- Stadium renovated (UFO in the Coliseum) If you don't want to count the Bears, it's fine with me. *Man, my memory seems to be failing quickly  | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 1119 Registered: 01-2005 |
Packers -- Major upgrade of Lambau Field in 2001, including addition of skyboxes, etc. Interior walkways are a year-round shopping mall. But February weather in Green Bay is a stretch. Detroit is bad enough. | ||
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider Post Number: 74 Registered: 08-2006 |
Did anybody think while watching the game that the NFL was really whoring out their logo? | ||
Bob Member Username: Bob Post Number: 1337 Registered: 11-2003 |
And Dallas is building a new stadium also. I expect them to be awarded an upcoming Super Bowl. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 2107 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: So how's that been working out for ya in the past year? Too bad you can't build a city on PR alone, huh? | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11209 Registered: 10-2003 |
Seriously, isn't there a "I'm so fuckin' in love with DC" forum anywhere? | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 2112 Registered: 10-2003 |
^Yes there is, and I post there regularly. I post here because I actually care about restoring a once-great American city. Based on my experiences, I don't believe that becoming a corporate whore is the way to do it. Pardon me for speaking truthfully and honestly. So, how is all that expected spinoff development from the Super Bowl coming along? | ||
3rdworldcity Member Username: 3rdworldcity Post Number: 436 Registered: 01-2005 |
Actually, Itsjeff, Wayne County taxpayers (including me) did pay for the stadium. That motel/car rental tax could have, and should have, been imposed years ago and the proceeds should have been used to reduce OUR taxes rather than being gifted to the Fords. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11210 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Well, how about playing on our team every once in awhile? Most everything you post has an anti-Detroit tone to it, you constantly tell us what our problems are (as if most aren't obvious), then tear apart any talk of mass transit that doesn't fit your bill as a sensible proposal. Do you EVER have anything positive to say about Detroit? All the expected spinoff? Seriously, when was the last time you were in Detroit? There has never been more downtown development, nor new housing being built in this city. Many of the large projects happened because the Super Bowl was coming, many more have continued to happen because of a renewed interest in Detroit. Did you even read about the $1.3 billion development in the works for the Midtown are? Do you even know how many hundreds of houses have been built around me and how many hundred more are under way? The development in Detroit is unlike it's been in a long time. About the ONLY thing the Super Bowl hasn't helped with is attracting high paying jobs to the region. I'd hardly say we are suffering in terms of development. Do you really think a plan to run a trial mass transit from Detroit to Ann Arbor would be this far along if not for the Super Bowl? That guy showed that mass transit was probably this region's biggest shortfall. So again, what positive words of encouragement would you like to offer up in regards to Detroit's progress 1 year after the Super Bowl? | ||
Gene Member Username: Gene Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2006 |
Supersport How much of the proposed and existing development in Detroit will result in tax revenue to the city. Its amazing how many properties in the city currently do not generate any dollars. Much of the development will not generate property tax for up to 12 years. I think whats happening with the loft and condo's is great, but how do you explain the drop in the population year after year. Seems we are loosing out. | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 676 Registered: 11-2004 |
All of it will generate taxes, property owners pay REDUCED taxes for 12 years and they still pay full city income taxes. It's vacant land and buildings that does not generate taxe revenue (Message edited by eric on February 05, 2007) | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11212 Registered: 10-2003 |
Even at a reduced rate, these people will pay more in property taxes than most. You forget to realize, Detroiters who have been here for decades are only paying in the hundreds of dollars for taxes, where as the rest of us relative newbies are paying in the thousands. | ||
Erikd Member Username: Erikd Post Number: 804 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: It is coming along pretty good... All three permanent casino projects are now in full swing, as is the Book Cadillac project. The incredible demand for the BC condos has resulted in the newly announced Griswold condo development. Construction on the Lafer building started after the SB, and it is looking great. The recently -renovated Madison building got it's first tenant this fall, and just announced a new bar for the ground floor space. Work on the Riverwalk has really come along over the last year, and there are numerous projects moving forward in this area. This is just the tip of the iceberg... There are many other developments in downtown Detroit, and the surrounding neighborhoods, that have started or progressed in the last year. The continued development in and around downtown Detroit over the last year is quite remarkable when you look at the rest of metro Detroit. Many new housing projects in the exurbs have come to a standstill, a large condo project in Troy was recently scrapped due to a lack of sales, the Silverdome redevelopment project fell through, and the big 2.5 lost $10 billion. | ||
Gene Member Username: Gene Post Number: 10 Registered: 10-2006 |
Erikd, The permanent casinos have nothing to do with the Super Bowl being here. Neither does the Riverwalk. "So,how is all that expected spinoff development from the Super Bowl coming along? | ||
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field Post Number: 682 Registered: 10-2003 |
LY, I wondered how the warm climate worshipping media that attend the suber bowl annually would deal with this year's weather had we hosted the '07 SB. But overall, Detroit's winters are getting noticeably warmer. This cold snap is an anomaly, and doesn't mean that we aren't warming up. Most of January and all of December were nothing but warmth and rain. We will have cold snaps in the future, but they will be less severe and few and far between. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2429 Registered: 10-2004 |
Three warm cities have held 26 SB among themselves (63% of them). That should indicate the type of venues that the NFL, the fans, and media want. Hint: Detroit is not one of the three cities. Not even close. | ||
Nyburgher Member Username: Nyburgher Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2006 |
I heard that Detroit did a great job with the Superbowl. A city needs to really have a plan to make it pay off. Pittsburgh really dropped the ball with the All Star game. The stadium is wonderful, but the downtown that most people stayed in is the deadest part of the city and there were no good guides either online or printed to help people realise how great the city is so instead of people planning on spending a week in town most people spent a couple of days. The one huge boom I heard about was with strip clubs. The story was that they had to import strippers. I think that modest investments in visitors, travel web sites, guides and advertising are crucial. |
