Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 4:46 pm: | |
The Spirit of Detroit by Sculptor Marshall Fredericks is in dire need of help. What can be done. THERE IS AN UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNT OF RAIN DAMAGE THESE ARE AX MARKS THE MARBLE IS ACTUALLY CRACKING.FROM THE WEATHER DAMAGE THIS ROD ACTUALLY BLOWS IN THE END THE RED WINGS SHIRT HAS EFFECTED THE METAL OF THE SPIRIT OF DETROIT http://www.canarthandworks.com/index_files/Spirit_Of_Detroit_Downtown_Michigan.htm
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Ha_asfan Member Username: Ha_asfan
Post Number: 77 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 4:56 pm: | |
This is shocking. The height of irresponsibility for a city to allow it's very image to come to such condition. A shame and embarrassment to the city's highest officials from the top down. |
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100
Post Number: 140 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 5:05 pm: | |
The symbol of the city is breaking? That can't end well. Maybe since it's right outside of their building, city council will actually renovate the Spirit of Detroit. |
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 379 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 7:20 pm: | |
If this gets more press it will probably be handled relatively quickly mainly by private donations. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 5016 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 7:22 pm: | |
OMG! This single-handedly symbolizes the crumbling of Detroit! Why I never! *faints* I agree with Mayor sekou. Let the media get a hold this, and it'll be fixed in weeks. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 2135 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 7:26 pm: | |
This looks like a perfect job for Engineered Demolition. |
Rjk Member Username: Rjk
Post Number: 589 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 7:35 pm: | |
Why don't they just head over to the hardware store and pick up some paint? Forum blue would be a nice color. |
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy
Post Number: 4214 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 7:46 pm: | |
Ax marks? How did that happen? Now I would definitely fix the structural aspects of the Spirit of Detroit if that's what's wrong but as far as the coloration of the statue, that's the patina. I believe it is supposed to age like that or at least I think that's what the intent was of Marshall Fredericks. There is a certain charm about watching the coloration age- as long as it doesn't end up bring structurally damaging. |
1953 Member Username: 1953
Post Number: 1237 Registered: 12-2004
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 8:03 pm: | |
Rjk.....LOL!!!! |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 1306 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 8:20 pm: | |
I like the veining pattern on that hand. Imagine deliberately planning that. That would be genius. The marble damage is troubling though. What does "THIS ROD ACTUALLY BLOWS IN THE END" mean? Should that be "... blows in the wind?" |
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell
Post Number: 3534 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 8:46 pm: | |
I have met Giorgio Gikas whose eastside Detroit company Venus Bronze Works has restored several bronze statues [General Macomb in front of the BC, Goodfellow statue on Belle Isle, Hazen Pingree and Maybury at GCP come to mind]. As I understood it there are funds and an ongoing effort to restore the bronze works of Detroit and I now wonder if the Spirit of Detroit is on the list. Not to be spoil sport, but the money spent to drape it in sports jerseys could have contributed a lot to the cost. Here is an article on Giorgio from our friends at theDetroiter.com. http://www.thedetroiter.com/OC T03/venuspage.html |
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit
Post Number: 140 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 8:47 pm: | |
ive heard it will need about $200,000 in repairs. |
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100
Post Number: 143 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 8:49 pm: | |
I think it means the wind is blowing it into the shoulder. |
Ha_asfan Member Username: Ha_asfan
Post Number: 78 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 8:57 pm: | |
200K to repair the sculpture? Isn't that what the pool repairs cost? And the pool repairs were SO needed because "dignitaries" came to visit Kwame at home and he couldn't afford to be seen with a crumbling pool. I need a break from this insanity. |
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit
Post Number: 141 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 9:00 pm: | |
I believe someone here stated it would be 80k in repairs, though I imagine my source was closer to the correct figure because of his position, though I could be wrong. |
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell
Post Number: 3535 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 9:04 pm: | |
I understand there were a lot more ax mark's at the Manoogian pool after Carlita chased Kwame when she learned there were strippers at that famous party. \jk |
Rjk Member Username: Rjk
Post Number: 590 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 9:06 pm: | |
Am I correct in assuming that the statue had never previously had the green cleaned off of it and this an unencumbered aging process since 1958? In reference to the patina drippings, I wonder how the Statue of Liberty looked when she was closing in on 50 years of age? She certainly has aged to a healthy green. |
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100
Post Number: 146 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 9:06 pm: | |
No wonder the media picked up on that so quickly. Wonder why the headline "Mayor's Wife Attempts Murder on Mayor" didn't appear? |
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit
Post Number: 142 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 9:14 pm: | |
no, there has been restoration in the past. |
Supergay Member Username: Supergay
Post Number: 24 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 9:29 pm: | |
quote:What does "THIS ROD ACTUALLY BLOWS IN THE END" mean?
If you don't know, we can't tell you. |
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100
Post Number: 148 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 9:31 pm: | |
LOL! |
Aschar76 Member Username: Aschar76
Post Number: 63 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 9:35 pm: | |
Please tell us that a Scrapper did not try to axe off a piece of Spirit |
Rjk Member Username: Rjk
Post Number: 591 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 10:02 pm: | |
Where are the ax marks at? I thought maybe they were trying to turn it into a Venus de Milo, but it doesn't appear that they were hacking at the arms. |
Tkelly1986 Member Username: Tkelly1986
Post Number: 206 Registered: 01-2004
| Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 8:06 am: | |
I say move it to the foot of Woodward and move the fist in front of CAY. City council does not deserve the symbol of the city outside their building and needs something more fitting. In all seriousness, that should be the next building to be demolished in the city of Detroit. That is some valuable land that they are sitting on and is a waste of tax revenue; move somewhere else and sell the land. Why not move everything to a newly renovated MCS? The police, city, county ect……I know, only a pipe dream; but that land is too valuable to waste on government buildings. |
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 207 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 8:30 am: | |
Eh, it'll be fine. There is artwork that has survived hundreds of years. It is outside too, so you can expect what has happed to happen... |
Ha_asfan Member Username: Ha_asfan
Post Number: 79 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 11:15 am: | |
there is an enormous distinction between artwork that has survived outdoors for hundreds of years and our climate and enviroment of the past fifty years. |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 17 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 10:35 pm: | |
This man seems to know his craft here he is giulding the gold http://www.canarthandworks.com/index_files/Spirit_Of_Detroit__UAW_Builder_Detroit_Michigan.htm http://www.canarthandworks.com/index_files/Beaumont_Hospital_Royal_Oak_Michigan.htm ITS A BIG JOB, FOR A BIG MIND
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Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1887 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 12:39 am: | |
That "resteration site" looks interesting. What is the difference between a restoration and a cleaning? I thought I saw on antiques roadshow that removing the patina significantly reduces the value of the item. |
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 210 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 1:10 pm: | |
It does. There is no need to remove the patina, it actually protects it... |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 289 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 1:21 pm: | |
"She certainly has aged to a healthy green." It was her Taco Bell diet. |
French777 Member Username: French777
Post Number: 66 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 3:54 pm: | |
has anyone sent a complaint to the city council |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 20 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 5:45 pm: | |
There is actually a wasp nest in the eye, and nose of the spirit of detroit. How can we let this be? |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 21 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 10:14 pm: | |
Marshall Fredericks "The Family" sculpture restoration at Beaumont Hospital Royal Oak Michigan http://www.candgnews.com/news_ item.asp?p=2004%5Cseptember%5C 1%5Croyaloakreview%5Cstatue.ht ml |
Psip Member Username: Psip
Post Number: 1361 Registered: 04-2005
| Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 10:33 pm: | |
Behold the power of DetroitYes! WJBK will be doing a story on the condition of The Spirit of Detroit on Monday Jan, 15, 2007. There is a rumor that our very own Metaldoctor will be interviewed. |
Farrer Member Username: Farrer
Post Number: 589 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 11:42 pm: | |
Methinks Metaldoctor is plugging hisself dutifully and rightfully. More power, Md and may you get the job soon. Good plan and sketches, BTW. I love stuff like that. |
French777 Member Username: French777
Post Number: 75 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 7:17 am: | |
YES!!! the media got a hold of this story! |
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit
Post Number: 925 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 12:17 pm: | |
Will they just paint the Spirit like they did to the fist? |
Leland_palmer Member Username: Leland_palmer
Post Number: 209 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 10:25 pm: | |
Wow! That was actually a pretty well produced piece for local news. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 2324 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 10:41 pm: | |
Yeah that was nice to see, and yes, suprisingly well documented. |
Gsgeorge Member Username: Gsgeorge
Post Number: 85 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 11:19 pm: | |
anyone get a recording of the segment? Possible youtube? |
Psip Member Username: Psip
Post Number: 1362 Registered: 04-2005
| Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 11:43 pm: | |
damm, comcarp blacked out WJBK tonight in my area. I didn't get to see it! Angry letter going to the cable co. |
Sg9018 Member Username: Sg9018
Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 4:31 am: | |
The WJBK story is online on their website. http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/my fox/pages/InsideFox/Detail?con tentId=2073295&version=5&local e=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId =5.7.1 |
Hardway Member Username: Hardway
Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 10:23 am: | |
I rode past the Spirit of Detroit by Sculptor Marshall Fredericks yesterday and I don’t see any reason to restore it. It is a perfect representation of the slow death of the city. Oh the ax marks are from the scrapers trying cash in on the death of the city. |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 31 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 4:58 pm: | |
I love the attention architectural ornamental metal work and sculpturing is getting is getting lately, maybe there is hope. |
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk
Post Number: 224 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 9:06 pm: | |
I rode past the Spirit of Detroit by Sculptor Marshall Fredericks yesterday and I don’t see any reason to restore it. It is a perfect representation of the slow death of the city. Oh the ax marks are from the scrapers trying cash in on the death of the city. Woohoo! Another new naysayer joins the fray! Welcome! You'll fit right in with all the others. If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go toast the kind souls who are financing the restoration of the Spirit of Detroit. People unlike yourself. |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 38 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 11:44 pm: | |
The restoration project of the spirit as well as the restoration of the sculptures on the Wayne county court house could be the super bowl of all sculpture restorations. Museums, universities collages and many other institutions and individuals around the world would be eager to gather and record the knowledge and craftsmanship it would takes to take on such projects. |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 49 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 6:58 pm: | |
I am eager to find out about the details of bidding process..............does anyone know?
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Me2007 Member Username: Me2007
Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 5:55 pm: | |
These sculptures must be massive and are currently beautiful. Just think what they must look like when or if they are fully restored. just think what the spirit of Detroit would look like fully restored. |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 69 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 1:16 pm: | |
Patina information Please read carefully!!! http://www.northernlightstudio .com/patinalec.php |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 83 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 2:50 pm: | |
Does anyone knows the status of the restoration process or has been canceled, or has it been handled in secretly.
Marshall Fredericks American Sculptor, Cranbrook, Michigan |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 89 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 4:54 pm: | |
Please note that I did not intend to discredit, downgrade or embarrass anyone, I love Detroit and my heritage and I feel that if I don’t that the art and craftsmanship would lost forever, therefore prompting me to post pictures and text of the problems that I see. Architectural ornamental metal work is my lifetime conviction and I stand ready for twenty years to make Detroit a better place. Again my most sincere apologies to anyone I have offended. Sincerely, The Metal-Doctor |