  Jhartmich Member Username: Jhartmich Post Number: 36 Registered: 04-2006 |
460 Prentis was raided today Monday (6-11) by DPD Narcotics Unit at 4:30 PM. They had 3 vans and two of them were full of the shitheads at 460 Prentis. They left here and went to Tomboy's. Not sure what scum they picked up there. Hopefully all of them THANK YOU DPD! Signed, "Sick of Detroit Crime!" | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1212 Registered: 01-2004 |
That's fast work, I have a LIST of places that need to get raided. | ||
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81 Post Number: 1482 Registered: 11-2003 |
Very nice! | ||
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81 Post Number: 1483 Registered: 11-2003 |
They'll probably throw them in jail for a night or two and they'll be back by the weekend.... | ||
Jhartmich Member Username: Jhartmich Post Number: 38 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hey, one night is better than seeing those useless scum bags day after day. I'm sick of it! Too much invested to have thugs like that around! | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1213 Registered: 01-2004 |
quote: It'll depend on if they found enough on these guys to develop a legitimate case against them. Otherwise, they'll continue to harass them, in hopes of discouraging them from doing their "business" there. (Message edited by tetsua on June 11, 2007) | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6033 Registered: 02-2004 |
YAY! VICTORY OVER THE DEAD (C)KRAK HEADS. This is not their area to deal drugs. So they better stay out. Keep fight folks for this is your community, we keep it clean now, here and forever | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 2919 Registered: 02-2005 |
As soon as I heard about this growing problem they took action. That's good. | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 3639 Registered: 10-2003 |
Great! Now somebody needs to report this to the Wayne County Prosecutor's Forfeiture Unit! A few successful raids means the slumlord will lose their property and it will be sold at public auction. | ||
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet Post Number: 614 Registered: 01-2007 |
Oh man! Where I gonna score my shit now, bitch! | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 551 Registered: 05-2005 |
What about the landlord? Now that it is known that drugs are being sold on the property, can't some action be taken against the landlord? | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1690 Registered: 05-2005 |
nice! sincerely, former prentis st. resident | ||
Dexterpointing Member Username: Dexterpointing Post Number: 133 Registered: 05-2007 |
quote: Great! Now somebody needs to report this to the Wayne County Prosecutor's Forfeiture Unit! A few successful raids means the slumlord will lose their property and it will be sold at public auction. GREAT$$ does that mean they will start taking property from landlords that rent to those illegal alien criminals also? | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 578 Registered: 10-2003 |
"GREAT$$ does that mean they will start taking property from landlords that rent to those illegal alien criminals also?" I'm assuming you're being sarcastic. Hmm. Sorry, don't feel too much sympathy for Landlords who obviously don't do a damn thing with their property but let it decay and fill up with drug dealers and crime. | ||
Quozl Member Username: Quozl Post Number: 733 Registered: 07-2005 |
That is great news. When the DPD performs about 5000 more of these raids throughout the city and the Courts actually convict these hoodlums will I believe that the city is actually serious about crime. Amen! (Message edited by quozl on June 12, 2007) | ||
Swingline Member Username: Swingline Post Number: 853 Registered: 11-2003 |
I don't have much sympathy for this particular landlord. She has properties all over the city ranging from luxury apartments to commercial office space to these fancy digs on Prentis St. Her business model relies on deferring any significant maintenance at all her properties. Problems are fixed slowly and in a half-assed manner. That said, she is in a tough spot at 460 Prentis. Even though Michigan law allows for a fairly quick eviction of tenants who use or sell drugs on or in a leased premises (no conviction is necessary, landlord simply has to file a police report), many of this strata of tenant do not take kindly to getting booted into the street. They have anger management issues (sometimes stemming from childhood problems with their fathers, and sometimes caused by career stress) and they have a nasty habit of burning down buildings as they are leaving. Not an easy situation for the landlord. | ||
Warriorfan Member Username: Warriorfan Post Number: 732 Registered: 08-2005 |
quote: I doubt most of them even know who their fathers are. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 841 Registered: 01-2005 |
"When the DPD performs about 5000 more of these raids throughout the city and actually convict these hoodlums" The problem here is that the DPD can't convict these hoodlums - judges and juries do that - and in Wayne County, neither judges nor juries have much desire to convict local residents. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6035 Registered: 02-2004 |
People who take pride of their community will stand up the fight against any criminal activity. It's more than law enforcement to stop crime. That's why most Detroit ghettohoods needs more block clubs and community policing so that our people would live a safe enviroment. | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 1212 Registered: 11-2004 |
quote: Yeah, because that is a strategy that has a great history of effectiveness. Shutting down drug corners/houses with raids, buy busts and what not is akin to mowing over daisies. The people who control that corner of midtown aren't going to give up that valuable bit of real estate just because the cops said so. It will disappear as the neighborhood continues to gentrify. But those small fries arrested yesterday or others like them will be back there soon, if they aren't already, as long as they have a place to set up shop. | ||
Dexterpointing Member Username: Dexterpointing Post Number: 134 Registered: 05-2007 |
Quote: "GREAT$$ does that mean they will start taking property from landlords that rent to those illegal alien criminals also?" I'm assuming you're being sarcastic. Hmm. Sorry, don't feel too much sympathy for Landlords who obviously don't do a damn thing with their property but let it decay and fill up with drug dealers and crime. NO: I was dead serious. I have no tolerance or sympathy for landlords that break the law. If I have to follow the law so should everyone else and that includes those that harbour criminals. | ||
Jacaden Member Username: Jacaden Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2003 |
A "Small Fry" was already back doing his "business" this morning at about 10:30. Red Car stopped in middle of 2nd/Prentis. Unsavory sort on bicycle went up to car window. Transaction completed in about the 15 seconds it took for me to drive by "Fry" and his customer. Funny since I too saw the cuffed ones lined up against the blue van yesterday evening when I was bringing my kids back home from preschool. Good luck DPD... and all ye who live/work/walk in those parts. | ||
Steamaker Member Username: Steamaker Post Number: 18 Registered: 03-2007 |
I'm assuming you're being sarcastic. Hmm. Sorry, don't feel too much sympathy for Landlords who obviously don't do a damn thing with their property but let it decay and fill up with drug dealers and crime. You know, It's funny but when I was growing up, my parents rented a house and took care of it themselves. They painted it every few years, mowed their own grass, fixed minor things etc. When I grew up and rented, I did the same. I don't think anyone ever asked us to do this, we just took pride in what we did. It seems that today everyone feels like they are owed something and no one wants to work for it. | ||
Jhartmich Member Username: Jhartmich Post Number: 47 Registered: 04-2006 |
Jacaden wrote: A "Small Fry" was already back doing his "business" . That was not one of the guys from yesterday. My lieutenant friend involved in all this still has them in holding. The ones from yesterday were still in jail. Even in error your point is well taken: There are plenty more! (Which led to my other post about why should I continue living like this?) | ||
Steelworker Member Username: Steelworker Post Number: 912 Registered: 02-2004 |
as another former prentis resident its all nice to hear this but it never seems to stop or even slow it down. couple years or year ago the spot was bethoven on 3rd and prentis. Is this the second building on the north side of street? | ||
Dpd_blue Member Username: Dpd_blue Post Number: 186 Registered: 05-2005 |
I checked into the raid and 3 people were arrested. Narcotics took a gun off of one the subjects. They also recovered ectasy, marijuana and crack cocaine. | ||
Jhartmich Member Username: Jhartmich Post Number: 50 Registered: 04-2006 |
Thanks Dpd_blue. I appreciate your work and your contributions to the community! I for one am for a strong aggressive police presence. I hope it continues in Midtown. Thanks. | ||
Jhartmich Member Username: Jhartmich Post Number: 51 Registered: 04-2006 |
Steelworker: Three doors down from the church (big white pillars). Also, the bethoven is being torn apart as we speak by Scott (Traffic Jam), so no one is living there. Even so, there is no shortage of thugs in the neighborhood. | ||
Eastsidedame Member Username: Eastsidedame Post Number: 175 Registered: 12-2006 |
Well done, DPD! This is nothing but good news! So close to WSU and the Medical Center, this could be a good area once it's cleaned up. Don't stop there...carry on! | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 9404 Registered: 10-2003 |
I would like to see a sting go after the buyers as well. I fiure with the traffic volumes the amount of arrests/tickets of th buyers could easily subsidize the salaries of an additional officer or two. | ||
Eastsidedame Member Username: Eastsidedame Post Number: 177 Registered: 12-2006 |
Not to mention seizure of property! | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 1216 Registered: 11-2004 |
quote: Interesting idea. Raiding and clearing drug corners/houses like these doesn't work. New people jump into the place and start selling almost right away after an arrest. But I wonder could the corners be cleared if the police started going after the customers? A day spent watching these transactions go down and have a few officers arresting the customers after they make the buys could discourage them from going there again. They more than likely know other places to go to get drugs with less of a hassle. Chase away the customers and there is little reason for the dealers to stick around. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 557 Registered: 05-2005 |
"Raiding and clearing drug corners/houses like these doesn't work." False. No drug house can exist in a neighborhood/community that does not tolerate it. | ||
Kid_dynamite Member Username: Kid_dynamite Post Number: 8 Registered: 06-2007 |
quote: Chase away the customers and there is little reason for the dealers to stick around. Maybe, but most junkies would probably return the next day. If they think there is still a chance to buy it there, I don't thing they'd be discouraged for long. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1739 Registered: 11-2003 |
quote: My guess is that the only way to put a permanent stop to this drug dealing in a particular neighborhood is to install a few high-quality PTZ security cameras in conjunction with a police crackdown. This has worked in neighborhoods in Baltimore and other cities. The camera footage can be used as evidence to arrest buyers as well as dealers. You could also wait for gentrification, which may eventually take care of the problem too, but who knows how long that will take. Actually, the security camera solution would probably only work in neighborhoods which have some stable residents as well as drug dealers, Prentis is a good example. There has to be at least some potential for people moving in. In a truly blown-out neighborhood (say, the State Fair area), it might not make much difference. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1030 Registered: 07-2004 |
Security cameras have a way of driving crime away -- to another neighborhood. Also, security cameras lead to a lot of "quality-of-life" arrests, which tend to fall disproportionately on the black or latino communities. (And will continue to until there are security cameras aggressively monitored by police that are installed in places where young white people hang out.) | ||
Steelworker Member Username: Steelworker Post Number: 913 Registered: 02-2004 |
Wow while i lived there that building didnt seem to have much drug dealing. The only ones i noticed when i lived there was the bethoven and the second building(walkup dealing ground floor) from the bronx(behind it) that i saw drug dealing. I use to live in the build behind marcus market and also lived in ABC. I guess the dealers left bethoven and went to that one. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1740 Registered: 11-2003 |
Detroitnerd, those points are probably true, but neither is a compelling argument against security cameras IMO. You'd have the exact same effect if one neighborhood rose up and managed to stop crime on its own through some other method... that crime would probably end up in another neighborhood. But you'd have one more crime-free neighborhood in the city, which would be a good thing. Quality-of-life arrests falling more on minority communities is a problem which should be addressed by other means. But if it mattered, I'd be in favor of installing a few security cameras in areas where white hooliganism is more of a problem, say, near the stadiums where drunken tailgaters may occasionally cause problems. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1692 Registered: 05-2005 |
quote: I don't think it had any. i dated a girl for a few months who lived on the first floor, it was quiet as could be, and this was only about 3 years ago. I wonder if the building changed ownership since then. | ||
Tkshreve Member Username: Tkshreve Post Number: 94 Registered: 07-2006 |
QUOTE: Security cameras have a way of driving crime away -- to another neighborhood. Also, security cameras lead to a lot of "quality-of-life" arrests, which tend to fall disproportionately on the black or latino communities. (And will continue to until there are security cameras aggressively monitored by police that are installed in places where young white people hang out.) HUH??? ------- ..... cameras should be installed first and foremost in areas where DRUGS ARE DEALT OPENLY IN THE STREETS!!! The reason it may fall disproportionately upon the black or latino communities is because the city of detroit is incredibly segregated, but the city is where thugs are currently DEALING DRUGS FREELY ON STREET CORNERS!! Any areas where white people openly deal drugs on street corners should likewise be monitored. Blame the DPD for not suppressing or aggressing the situation. Then, when that doesn't do anything, blame the citizens for not uniting against thugs and dealers. Then, when that doesn't happen, I guess you can blame the dealers, but they are last because.... hey...... that's business baby! It's hard enough a make a buck in this state and/or city as it is. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1741 Registered: 11-2003 |
IMO, the only legitimate concern with security cameras are privacy issues. You don't want moving cameras that can point up into people's 2nd floor windows or other private realms. I suppose there are other potential abuses that could occur, for example, selling or distributing footage of someone doing something embarrassing in public, without permission. That would be legitimate grounds for a lawsuit. Still, I'd guess that type of problem is extremely rare, I can't say that I've ever heard of that happening. You obviously need someone responsible in charge of the cameras. | ||
Ohudson Member Username: Ohudson Post Number: 240 Registered: 09-2004 |
I've seen the "blue light" cameras in B-more. You can see the light from a distance and even I became cautious of what I was doing. No speeding and stopped at the yellow light. Even if the actual cameras aren't installed, just put up the light and say it's a camera and people will be less likely to commit crimes. As I got passed the blue lights and got onto the freeway in B-more, the "corner boys" were posted on the entrance ramp, just chillin' at 3:30AM as cars went by at 50mph... Funny as hell! | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 1220 Registered: 11-2004 |
Security cameras can be an effective tool, although they are anything but a silver bullet and defeatable. Not to harp too much on The Wire here but pay attention to what happens to the security camera at the 1:10 point of this clip. http://youtube.com/watch?v=wFt VZroxiyk There was also a Carlos Mencia clip I couldn't find that illustrated another point. It was about how if you put security cameras up in the hood you'll end up with stolen security cameras. I think Gannon posted about a system a while ago where neighbors could put Internet video cameras up overlooking the front of their homes and make it so anyone on a certain list serv or something like that could check on them whenever they wanted. That seemed like a interesting idea and I wonder if anyone has actually done that? | ||
Terryh Member Username: Terryh Post Number: 355 Registered: 11-2006 |
Drug dealers and users are not "scum" they are brothers; sisters; fathers; husbands; sons; daughters; grandparents. They are human beings who made bad decisions in their respective lives. Many of them need treatment and opportunities to make right with themselves and the community. | ||
Terryh Member Username: Terryh Post Number: 356 Registered: 11-2006 |
Drug dealers and users are not "scum" they are brothers; sisters; fathers; husbands; sons; daughters; grandparents. They are human beings who made bad decisions in their respective lives. Many of them need treatment and opportunities to make right with themselves and the community. | ||
Jhartmich Member Username: Jhartmich Post Number: 57 Registered: 04-2006 |
No Terryh, they are SCUM. |
