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Danny
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Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 5:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Let's review of what ethnic communities Detroit has without using city money.

Corktown, Greektown, ChaldeanTown, Asian Village, Yemenese Village, Benglatown, Mexicantown, Mexican Village, and 2 fast growing Arab Muslim communities in Warrendale and SW Detroit. Those folks take pride of the city. They know that the city of black and full of empty promises from black Detroit leaders. But they do not worry about these everyday problems. They put their money into fixing up their homes and businesses and one day they would expand their communities to other areas where other folks don't a hoot about their neighborhoods. Most of theses ethnic communities don't city money to assist their needs. These ethnic communities just need their support to keep Detroit strong forever.
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I always thought that Harmonie Park would make a great art gallery district and also additional music venues. If it were built up a little more it would be comparable to Wicker Park.
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Danny, how do you know these communities weren't built without taxpayer subsidies? We definitely know that Greektown only got its Casino license because of political set asides. Show us your sources or else we will all know that you are ill informed.
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Lmichigan
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ALL of those communities have had projects that have received city subsidies. Whether any of these were started with city subsidization is irrelevant to me. What remains through all of the discussion is the fact that the city has invested many a dollar in ALL of the major mentioned ethnic communities over the long history of Detroit.
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Downtown_remix
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1600 new hotel room and 1000s of potential shoppers is enough reason to set up district destination points, further rebuilding downtowns landscape.


Greektown,(party central)
Capital park (coffee shops and salons)
Woodward strip (main street ,mainstream retail).
CBD (star bucks an sandwitch shops)
Harmony park (soul cafes, african shops, Book stores, Jazz and blues jam sessions,urban gear
fox town (sports, bars, theaters)
Bricktown (lets jus extend greektown) lol
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Danny
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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 6:52 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lmichigan,

Subsidies yes, but other city money for ethnic communities to accept, NO. Same goes to their successful black communities in Detroit ghettohoods.

Yvette248,

When I wrote Greektown, I was writing about the Greektown community NOT the Greektown Casino itself.
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Iheartthed
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^I'm not gonna bother quoting it, but I wish people would stop attributing Detroit's decline to the riots. The city was in decline well before the riots, and many other cities had riots during the same era and recovered pretty fairly well.

Retro-fitting the city for the car was probably just as instrumental in the decline (and slow paced revival) as race relations and rioting.
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Downtown_remix
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seems as though after the riots, the city emptied out like back in the cowboys an indian days. Race relations had to be the accurrance that took the cities decline to an exaggerated level. In the the 80s and 90s it seemed as though the riots just happened. Black an white people were so much more divided. We were protesting Dearborn, Warren, And a few other burbs that still had a stronghold of controlling the black population from moving into their areas. Greater downtowns best asset is its ability to pool all races together.
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Downtown_remix
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seems as though after the riots, the city emptied out like back in the cowboys an indian days. Race relations had to be the accurrance that took the cities decline to an exaggerated level. In the the 80s and 90s it seemed as though the riots just happened. Black an white people were so much more divided. We were protesting Dearborn, Warren, And a few other burbs that still had a stronghold of controlling the black population from moving into their areas. Greater downtowns best asset is its ability to pool all races together.
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Lmichigan: I would be interested to know what 'city subsidies" Mexicantown can point to? I can't recall any. I know, for example, that the new Mercado was has little or no city money in it. The development corporation struggled for ten years to put the money together.

That is why the Mexicantown Development people were opposed to the City funding an Africantown project.
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Iheartthed
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Detroit has lost over 150,000 residents in each decade since 1950, exluding the most recent decade completed. In the decade from 1970-1980 it lost slightly over 300,000, but inbetween 1980-1990 it was back down to the 150K-200K range.

So the riots, may have given the exodus a little bump, but it isn't hardly the cause of the population decline. I think Detroit needs to ask itself what happened in the 1950s.

Something to chew on... Population declines (in number of persons) of some large cities between 1950 and 1990:

Philadelphia
1950s - 69093
1960s - 53903
1970s - 260399
1980s - 102633
1990s - 68027

Oakland
1950s - 17027
1960s - 5987
1970s - 22224
1980s - increase of 32905
1990s - increase of 27242

Detroit
1950s - 179424
1960s - 158662
1970s - 308143
1980s - 175365
1990s - 76704 (Lowest drop of all 5 decades)

New York
1950s - 109973
1960s - increase of 112878
1970s - 823223
1980s - increase of 250925
1990s - increase of 685714
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Yvette248
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What remains through all of the discussion is the fact that the city has invested many a dollar in ALL of the major mentioned ethnic communities over the long history of Detroit.

Amen, LMichigan! I think what we are seeing here is "reverse racism". Every other ethnic community can get subsidies, but when its given to blacks, then comes the cries of racism. Hmmmm?????
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Danny
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Yvette248,

Most ethnic communities in Detroit survive by using their own money before accepting subsidies. But when it comes to a proposed black community in a once Historic Detroit German community; having the city to use their money plus subsidies to rebuild Paradise Valley is WRONG! and a act of discrimination.
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Lmichigan
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Why does it matter that it was the historic German community of Detroit? Mexicantown wasn't always Mexicantown, Greektown wasn't always Greektown. Really, your argument, that you continue to repeat is flimsy as hell, and even you in what I assume must be a self-imposed limited capacity (you know, an act) know that, so why do you persist?

Whether a particular community receives subsidization of later projects, or whether a community begins with city subsidization is really not the point. And, you can continue to try and misrepresent this project all that you want, at the end of the day the only thing that changes is the lowering of your already spotty and shot credibility, and notorious reputation that precedes you. You're the forum's favorite inside joke. Again, I wouldn't even respond if you weren't doing so much damage on this forum misrepresenting serious stories. Remember, we're no longer laughing with you, we're laughing at you.

(Message edited by lmichigan on June 11, 2007)
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Danny
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Lmichigan,

You can go ahead and support the city CLOWNSIL's Paradise Valley. And I will go ahead and protest with over thousands of Detroiters and suburbanites and lots of media coverage on my side shutting the community down for good.

(Message edited by danny on June 11, 2007)
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Downtown_remix
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damn the kkk is back?
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Downtown_remix
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to all the angry people who felt they were forced out of the inner city 30 years ago. LEAVE.!!We have a large population of low to no income people as well as angry pessamistic people. We thought that breed had died off, not yet huh?
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Karl
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Downtown, folks that left had common sense. That included plenty of people with low incomes and little education. Common sense trumps all that, and they got out when they felt unsafe.

Go to the troubled 'hoods of Detroit and try to float the idea that something might be wrong that could be fixed from within - you'll be laughed/shot outta the place.

That, unfortunately, is the breed that hasn't yet "died off."
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Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 10:39 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

^^^Damn Karl, great post!
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Downtown_remix
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Cant wait to play in Paradise Valley. Everything aint for everybody. I dont go to Irish pubs, but if they wanted to develope an Irish district, more power to them. Whatever created livability in the city.
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Michigan
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Again, My problem with this plan is that it seems too forced. The city is not coming in to this area that has a concentration of African Immigrants and saying "hey let's invest some money and make this like Chinatown in New York or San Fran". Instead they are trying to create something from nothing. I think it is doomed to failure, and a lot of city money will be lining the pockets of some well connected people.
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Downtown_remix
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Im going to name The Rhino, lofts above Rhino, Lolas, Specticles, the lofts above specticles, center city club, Lot 1210, louis the hatter, Broadway, City slicker Shoes, an african inspired furniture and accessory store, atlantic barber shop and a couple other spots as a co-existing african american-african inspired district. A financial push will only inhance what is already there. I didnt read about these spots, ive supported them and brought people from outta town to enjoy the area and they loved it.!!!!!!!other non black business will stay an do well in the area, variety is the spice of live. so just find another battle.
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I still say it will do excatly what it is doing here on this thread. Contribute to the great race relations that Detroit already has. How many tourists do you really think will go to Africatown other than people of color? But hey its ok to piss off the whites, just dont piss off the african-americans (that have never been to africa and cant trace their lineage to africa within the last 5 generations.) Thats like me saying Im French-Irish-American. Hell Im no more French-american than most of you are african-american. Why not just be "American"? Is that such a bad thing? Africa town will just further divide the city!
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Signs will not go up saying welcome to african town. harmony park will still be harmony park, but what u may see is a sign saying something about paradise valley merchant district.lion and tiger fans passing through wont be approched by some devisive, black, african only shopping area. yes we have no real idea about our history and heritage of africa, dont get me started about all school systems of America not teaching about some horrible truths about how our legacy and racial horrors that are not taught to even todays children
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Exmotowner
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Downtown_remix
I dont know about you, but in school I was taught very well the terrible treatment that blacks received. They were beat, starved and had their families ripped away! It was a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE THING!!! I dont condon any of it! I was taught that in school, and todays children should be taught the terrible atrosities that the people of that era went through. Im so sorry that anyone had to go through that, I cant imagine. If for some reason its not being taught to your children, I would be at every school board meeting and teachers conference demanding to know why. And, As a parent, TEACH Them yourselves if you think they are not being told the whole truth! (and I dont necessarily mean home school). My family root go back 5 generations to a tobacco plantation in Kentucky and I can only imagine what those poor people went through at the hands of my ancestors. (his kids werent treated much better either). I said that to say this, I can no more relate (nor would I want to) to that history than most can relate to Africa. Detroit has a huge problem with race relations, why pour salt in the wound?
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Karl
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Exmotown, I hope you are as adamant about schools teaching more recent (and more atrocious) horrific treatment of Jews - both because it ocurred during the past 70 years, and because talk of anihilating Jews is again being touted, with little reaction (African Americans, I can't hear you, but then I don't hear many Jews either)

Poor treatment to both groups completely intolerable, but when it appears that we've not learned from the past. swift action is necessary. This is not the appropriate thread to further discuss, but when you emphasized education/treatment of slaves, this subject/history is equally important and would have greater effect in tandem then singularly.
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As a German-American who spent some happy times at the Harmonie Club in the early 1970's, I'm not too worried about the Africantown idea.

BUT alarm bells went of in Downtown-Remix's post 301... when he said "everything ain't for everybody"...

All areas of downtown welcome all races and classes. There's a mix in Greektown, Bricktown, Theatre, Financial and Necklace districts, etc.

If in Africantown somehow an "it belongs to us" mentality comes out, then that would worry me. I hope that will not be the case in Harmonie Park. If it turns into an area that other races avoid or walk around because they're not welcome there, then that becomes a problem.

But I don't think that is the "intent", so I won't worry about it. After all not everyone may go to an Irish pub, but most certainly everyone of all races and nationalities frequents the restaurants of Greektown, Sweet Georgia Brown, Slows BBQ, etc.

And I would hope that Africantown also becomes such an "inclusive" destination.

As to spending public money on such a gamble... if the city can spend its hard earned money on helping multimillionaire Ilitch demo the Madison-Lenox (yeah, I know it was a zero interest loan) and the Vermont Hotel (a grant), then I don't begrudge them spending some money on Africantown.

I just wish that the Non-Detroit folks and their ad hominem attacks and political rhetoric would stay over there and stop bringing their inflammatory remarks over here on the Discuss Detroit forum, where people discuss and debate generally without all the bitterness.

'Nuff said!
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Exmotowner
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Karl, I completely agree. Let include (since I am one) the gays that were put to death in the concentration camps! Dont hear a lot about them killing the gay/lesbians do you but it happened. Your right this isnt the thread for this topic. will close here.
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Downtown_remix
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Lets get things on the table. History books in schools dont discuss the real depth of what happened in the county in its treatment of black people. The issues were dealing with are a direct reflection of the "whip them into shape".

How is this any different than a woman in an abusive marriage and forced to stay? she gets mentaly abused as well, being told you wont eve be nothin, your ugly fat, and no one else will want you. She is tortured only so the man will be convinced she will never tell a soul. and theres no police to help her? We have such a hard time even today getting business loans from banks because racism still exist in corporate America. So come on, give a heart. We have unique barriers that have held us back from soooo much of the so called American Dream.
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"We have unique barriers that have held us back from soooo much of the so called American Dream."

Ugh!
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Downtown_remix
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truth just makes you wanna bark huh
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Michigan
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Gistok, I hope I am not coming off to you guys as bitter or angry. I don't mean to, and if I am I will try to tone that down.
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Michigan, naw, I just think that we're all getting fatigued by this discussion, when in reality we know very little of what the plans actually are. I think we'll just have to wait and see (and hope for the best!).

And maybe some of us should take Downtown_remix to an Irish Pub for a drink! :-)
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aaaaw i went to the one in greektown. Im quite progressive, guess 10 years in L.A did me some good. Now let me take you guys to LOLA'S CAFE in harmony park, then we'll slide over to the Rhino for some hot jazz. i promise you'll have a better understanding and i promise you will return. As far as im concerned, its already literally Paradise Valley.
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"Lets get things on the table. History books in schools dont discuss the real depth of what happened in the county in its treatment of black people."

If this is the truth, get out there and write a history book. If its true that black history is not correct in our text books then it needs to be fixed. If you dont know how to write, get the ball in motion! I'm not a writer, but I can type like hell and I would be more than willing to transcribe it! But please try and see our side a bit too. Most blacks in this country have as much connection to Africa as I do to France and Ireland! NONE! How long will we have to hear phrases like above? Will our great grand children be hearing the same things? If its that bad FIX it! It really does get old getting beat to death with it. Just think you could be a slave today in Darfur Sudan. Or be in the Congo where other tribes come in and rape your women and children and make you watch then kill you! Come on now think about it. You have it WAY better here than you would there for sure!

Seriously though. You dictate what is missing from the history books and I'll sure help you type it up but lay off the were so mistreated crap! I for one am sick to death of it! If its so bad get off your ass and help fix it!
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Patrick
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I think people are having a hard time distinguishing from whether it will be "African" themed or African-American themed. Either way, it doesnt bother me one bit. The more businesses the better. My question is can African-themed stores turn a profit?
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First off, let me say that I'm born and raised in the city but now reside in the Washington D.C. metro area. However, I visit Detroit EVERY YEAR. My family is there...and the city will always live in my heart and soul...no matter where I reside...I will always be a Detroiter.

I've read several of your messages. What upsets me is the fact that anyone, no matter what reasons you may have, would disagree with any type of new development. It's bad enough that we have idiots running our city government and look for every possible reason not to rebuild the city. But to hear it from those who are not on the council is sickening. We can reminisce back in the day when whites dominated the city until we run out of breathe. But the fact is, we are not living in those days anymore...thank god. Other cities that had a bad rap in the past have moved on and rebuilt no matter who was the blame for the recent blight. Really, does it really matter? Some of you members are blaming the entire black community, when it is not all. There are many hard working, honest black Detroiters who would love to see the city make a comeback. To watch homes for sale leave the market in under 30 days, for kids to be safe as they play, notice the tourists flock to our city on their vacation. But no...instead we have a good handful of trifling residents who do not have an understanding of living. Unfortunately, it takes a lot more time to clean up the city then to trash it. I can go on and on. Whatever it takes, let's just bite the bullet and do it.
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Visited downtown Atlanta last year, An African themed district was thriving with ethiopian, Jamaican and southern restaurants which were filled with non-ethnic tourist as well is ethnic locals and it mixed well in the area anchored with the Pepsi headquarters and "the Underground" touristy mall.

Downtown Atl has no river and no belle isle, but the undergrounds and African themed section seemed to be the most popular section in the CBD.

Food is universal and so is african statues, masks, beads, soaps, jewelry, drums, music, skin oils, health products, hats, shoes, baskets and bowls.

It's most popular downtown section is acually the equivelant to our mid-town, Peach tree blvd. not walking distance from the CBD so we drove.

Im very optimistic about this proposed section because frankly, we need every bit of retail, restaurants that is willing to come. And with some assistance, we can get this off the ground alot faster than waiting for Harmony park to "organically" become what it already is; a classy jazzy up and coming entertainment district. I see this as being a great way to bring different ethnic groups together and letting the world see, eat and feel the flavors of the Mother land. period.
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Karl
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Downtown, I don't think the area you refer to in Atlanta was "anchored with the Pepsi headquarters.."

Wanna take another try?
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Downtown_remix
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Its around rthe freakin corner, took 5 minutes to walk.
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Out of 100 words i typed, you found something. typical, Ooh wait not 100 words 121 words. Give an assessment to the comparison stated in the post.
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Karl
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Downtown, let's try again.

To Detroiters, your post would say "While in Detroit, we went to a performance at the Fisher Theatre which was anchored with the Toyota headquarters."

Now see if you can get it right this time.
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The Holocaust didn't happen here, slavery and Jim Crow did.

Black people, Hispanic people, Asian people and blue people can be gay.

The African Town concept was scrapped, as the article stated.

You people are like a dog chasing it's own tail.
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damn what an ass. Read the rest of the post and comment on that. So where is the pepsi headquarter? not in downtown Atl? If im wrong im ok with that, but offer some information and some facts on the contrary
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^He's nitpicking because Coke is headquartered in Atlanta.
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lol, by his reaction you would think i had pepsi mixed up with bud light.
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DETROIT RUNAWAY. I couldnt have said it better. I'm being bulldozed like Paradise valley on this particular post.(you catch that wit?) haha. We have unique assets and unique problems in Detroit, but its the energy and positivity and open minded from the people that makes us truly vibrant.
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If you want people to take your posts as credible, have correct facts.
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Have correct fact? I got PEPSI MIXED UP WITH FREAKIN COKE.!!!GEEZE WHATS THE BIG DEAL.
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Thank you Downtown_remix. I got your back...we need an uprising (lol)

There was so more I could have said...but I'm at work and don't want to get caught goofing off on company time. But while my boss is away...let's play.

I'm in a constant battle with people here in DC and in Baltimore about Detroit. I stick up for my city under all circumstances. I point out everything great about the city. In fact, I work for Mortgage Bankers Association and we hold conferences in lots of cities. My VP mentioned that the association would love to hold a conference there....but the problem with that is there aren't enough hotel space in the CBD of Detroit. That's because one particular conference of ours attract seven thousand attendees. We use 8-9 hotels for this convention. But Detroit just can't accommodate. I'm waiting for the moment when Detroit can host more events...so that I can show my city off to my co-workers....Eat your heart out D.C. This is the 'D' you've been missin.
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p.s. Whatever happened to SuperD?
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Guess what? Detroit well soon (later this year) have 800 casino resort style hotel rooms in our permanent casinos. by next year, a restored book cadillac hotel, Fort shelby hotel and a revamped riverfront. So i think we are ready to compete with the big fellows
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"We can reminisce back in the day when whites dominated the city until we run out of breathe. But the fact is, we are not living in those days anymore...thank god"

Man I cant even believe you said that!! Speaks volumes on you!
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Wow! That's great....DT_remix Does anyone have connections with these hotels? I would love someone to propose hosting our conference(s) to my V.P. I (we or the hotel rep) can present a promotional packet and ask if she would consider Detroit. I'm reaching...but its time for this city to become great again.
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exmotowner...when I made that comment...is because things were not heaven back then. At least not for blacks. Things may not be a good now...hince...this discussion. But The 50's and 60's were horrible for us. We weren't accepted...which stemmed from the post slavery days. I meant no harm to the vast majority of the white community. I'm the type of person who loves all based on face value...there are some whites I don't care for as well as blacks. Bad apples in different bunches. no harm, no foul.
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point is, the city was dominated by white people, while blacks are forced to live in the cramped sections of Black bottom. Im glad those shitty days are long gone too.
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I would love this to happen. I hope to make some money on Detroit real estate!

Detroit Runaway- Your statement about Detroit being white run shows you for a racist. You should look lon and hard at yourself and your beliefs. It makes me wonder if for you this whole project is about " stickin' it to whitey" rather than improving the city. Or maybe in your eyes "stickin' it to whitey" does improve the city. Very Very sad.
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HOTEL ROOMS AND CONVENTION SPACE IS ALREADY BEING RESERVED. CHECK OUT MGM AND MOTOR CITYS WEB SITES.
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Michigan, please read her post 5 times till you get what she was saying. your comments are the most backward thinking on this post yet.
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Let's be honest Downtown, If Karl had said that in reverse then we all would be jumping down his throat.

Maybe she didn't mean it but it was a bad post. I have posted some dumb stuff as well and I know it. I don't think they were close to the most backward, but you might disagree. Wanting to make money is not really that backward. Thinking this project will fail, not because of an African theme, but because politicians will ruin it is not really that backwards. I'm sorry you think that it is. We agree on a lot of stuff, but this project based on what I know of it so far is not one of them. Apparently, refusing to point out to people when they post something racist is another.
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Good posts Downtown remix and Detroitrunaway...:-)

Keep the rEvolution alive...
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Ok let me ask you this. How does the statement "Detroit was white run" a racist comment? sound like facts to me. MAny of my Detroit history books from 1900-late 1960s show detroit being whiter than the un-driven snow. Im just tryin to understand how she can be called a certified racist when she didnt state her opinion, just threw out a known fact.
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or maybe it was the part where she said, thank God its not white run, dominated now. if it were, it would still be 1955, and i would be in jail for eating where i wanna, sitting in the front row of the bus and kick a cops ass for spitting on me an my mamma.
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I agree Dtown. The term 'racist' always seems to get thrown around when it comes to the history that some whites seem to have a problem with in this country.

Detroit was white run during the time that the orignial Paradise Valley (remember the one that came about organically?) got bulldozed and made into I-75, yet when someone comes up with a plan to try to bring it back in another incarnation then all of a sudden it seems "racist" because of the demograph involved. See it is nowhere near at all racist that places like Troy and Novi exist when it caters primarily to it's white residences.

What strikes me as racist from some on this board is when they have said things like why don't they take African Town and put it in one of the most fucked up areas of the city to service the population in that area since there are alot of People of Color there. That to me is tantamount to saying, "well why don;t you take a brand new mall and build it in the middle of a trailer park in order to boost up the neighborhood there? Of course there will always be some kind of explanation why that would never work.


Well that being the case then why does Greektown exist? Last time I checked there wasn't a sizable Greek community that lived there. In fact most people that visit Greektown goes there for a few hours and leave to go home somewhere nowhere near close to that district. So why can this new proposed district not be the same?

Ya feel me?
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quote:

Have correct fact? I got PEPSI MIXED UP WITH FREAKIN COKE.!!!GEEZE WHATS THE BIG DEAL.



Ask someone from Atlanta. It's relative to someone not from Detroit saying how our city sucks. Now you know.

(Message edited by dds on June 13, 2007)
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RIGHT ON.
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Most boring circle-jerk ever.
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Im not gonna react to pettiness. All i wanna see if action and progress. lack of progress is going back and forth about stuff that dont matter
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I have seen you Downtown Remix and you Detroit_stylin both call people racist on this board. It appears that you have no problem beating a person over the head with that club when it serves your interest. However, in this case it does not so you are objecting. I understand that, but don't expect me to say it's okay.

Detroit runaway did not say thank God Detroit is no longer a place where black people are oppressed. She said Thank God it is no longer run by whites. The vast vast vast vast majority of cities in this country are run by whites and they are very nice places for both whites and blacks. The cities that blacks do run, i.e. Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore, East St. Louis, Compton, are equal opportunity sh-t holes. That means they suck for both black people and white people.

So, when Detroit Runaway says-
"We can reminisce back in the day when whites dominated the city until we run out of breathe. But the fact is, we are not living in those days anymore...thank god",
instead of
"We can reminisce back in the day when whites dominated the city until we run out of breathe. But the fact is, we are not living in those days anymore"
She is in fact being racist. Deal with it, learn from it, and move on.
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"The cities that blacks do run, i.e. Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore, East St. Louis, Compton, are equal opportunity sh-t holes. That means they suck for both black people and white people. "

What about Atlanta, DC and Philadelphia?
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Because historically when one thinks about it when Detroit was run by whites (and I am not saying that all whites were like this) then the quality if life for those of color was NOT all rosy and cheery and they were systematically oppressed by those whites that were in power. So the history of whites who had held on to the reigns of power in the pst did NOT do good by the minorities within the city's borders....

...That is a fact. Another one like slavery that some of you tend to deny and try to smear someone as a racist who brings it up to your face. Face of the matter is that some of you don't like to see the history no matter what context it's in when whites were the perpetrators of so much pain, anguish, suffering, inequality, and injustice, that you would rather utter those famous words; "I never owned slaves; I never made any one go to the back of the bus; I never did this and I never did that". Point of the matter is that you are still benefiting to this day from the system's denial of People of Color's enjoyment of the same things that you take for granted. So get off your high fucking horse. It's easy for you to say some shit like "Get over it, it's in the past". Four hundred years is a lot of ground to try to make up for especially when there are still policies in place that legally make that impossible. What your and many people like you Michigan are showing is the mind state of those who have spent their lives privileged.

You don't like the idea of a district that has an African American flair? Don't patronize it, and don't sit here and bitch about it. That simple. Other than that then you are really just sitting here telling us who you really are, and what you really feel.

If you are going to bitch about something, bitch about the whole damn thing from a historic and current perspective. If you want to be a bigot be an honest bigot at least...
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I wasn't bitching about it. I was lamenting that it will get screwed up by politicians. That was all. I didn't say it was a bad idea. I said when Politicians try to do this stuff they get pulled in too many directions and it doesn't work out well.
That was all.

Those are pretty good cities Iheartthed, so I have to admit that was a stupid statement. I was being defensive when I shouldn't have been. Glad you called me on it.
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Ok so now that that is cleared up....anytime politicians get involved in anything no matter how good intended the project is, then of course there is going to be a chance of something going horribly wrong. However, government is sometimes needed to get something rolling and off the ground. I wouldn't necessarily advocate long term subsidies either (or subsidies at all), but I feel that they should have a place in this project in the beginning phases...
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Wow! I had no idea that my words were going to have that much of an impact. I sure can't wait until this coming fall semester where I can improve on my communication.

Michigan...Let me set the record str8t. I'm not racist...my comment was not meant to be racist. I have too many whites and interracial relatives...immediate family...to be that kind of person. My parents didn't raise me to be that way.

On another note...if you believe that black ran cities are poorly ran...then why don't you offer some positive advice to us on how to improve. You forget that many may not have a good business sense...but wanted to try anyway...there are resources, of course to assist us. But whites have been running things much longer than we have...we're just trying to get into the swing of things. Everyone must crawl before they can walk. Instead of looking down on our efforts, try picking us up for a change. After all, running a city may not be our strongest strength...but one of our best attributes is our strength to try and make a difference despite popular demand.
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Drunaway- I was way out of line saying that, I know that. I knew it when I wrote it. But sometimes I say stupid things. I regret it because it wasn't fair and it's not true. IhearttheD already called me on it.

The bottom line for me is this- I want to make money, I think Detroit has a lot of potential over the next ten years. I want the city to spend every last nickle to make the city grow. When I see something that doesn't seem well planned or thought out I get all over it. Maybe there is info on this that hasn't been made public yet?
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As an african American, i would bring every non-ethnic friend i know to this district if it turns out to be they way they are proposing.

Lets brainstorm Harmony Parks current fabric, then lets add in the proposed additions, then we can chat about if it will work or not.

CURRENT OCCUPANTS

1. The Rhino- restaurant has great food, great indoor and outdoor live jazz R&B and blues.

2. Lola's- restaurant has live jazz, great food, owners are a married couple.

3. Specticles-urban clothing store, some products outta NYC, other clothes are local stuff.
4. Lofts above specticles--Artists type loft dwellers.

5. MEZZANINE- high end furniture store.

6. Hilton Garden Hotel

7. Milner Hotel

8. Rags clothing store--high end urban gear.

The proposal called for restaurants, clubs, book stores, dance studios, coffee shops, novelty stores, museums-art galleries. So lets move on and plan this the right way.
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Michigan...I greatly accept your apology. I want to make some money too. I've already invested in Baltimore...and think Detroit is my next target. Thanks...my heart almost sank to think I was being negative. And for those of you out there...if I offended you...for that I'm sorry.

Now as DTown_remix stated...let's pull our thoughts together and benefit from our differences and see if we can get this city up and running. You all will have to catch me up on some things. Because I only come home once a year. Keep me up to speed.
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Ok guys. Nuf Bitchin! And I'll shut my trap too. now .... as DTown_remix stated...let's pull our thoughts together and benefit from our differences and see if we can get this city up and running." I'll drink to that guy! Is there a way to fix our cities (Detroit in particular in this discussion)? I sure as hell dont have the answers. Wish I did! If Africantown will fly hell go for anything thats gonna bring folks in!
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Now lets just see if we can get the Blue Nile back into downtown into Harmonie Park!!

I do hope that a good use is found for the 1894 Harmonie Club, the centerpiece of Harmonie Park. It would make for a great restaurant and banquet facility (such as used for weddings and parties). That 2 story ballroom on the 3rd floor with 4th floor balcony is awesome!!
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Folks, I left this city in 1996 and returned last year. The amount of growth in the city blew my mind. many many years of decline will take time to rebuild. But now Detroit seems to have had a heart transplant. The blood clots on our main arteries ( woodward, gratiot, michigan, jerrerson, have just recieved blood thinner. all we need now is our groove back.. thats passion and teamwork. and the belief that we will be great again
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Its great how we can all point out the 'gems' of Detroit. Does anyone remember Boblo? The boat ride there was the best. or even better...what was the amusement park called...you know...the one that had this scary wooden rollercoaster?

There were two monster businesses that Detroit was well know for. The Big 3 (motor city) and the music industry (motown). I was in a recent discussion with some folks...and my opinion was that instead of thinking back on what used to make the city great is useless. What other cities have done is create new identities for the city. That's what's trying to happen in Detroit. The casinos, new stadium (although the Lions still suck...sorry Lions...I just had to say that) and Campus Martius (spell ck). New developments are the key. Out with old (but hang on to historical bldgs) and in with the new. Starting with our city council. Most of them are Coleman Young followers. But the fact is....he's dead and gone. We have to start new...the future depends on it. DT_remix...I left around the same time you did. Came back...but left again. I enjoyed living in other areas...just to check things out. It was fun. But its nothing like home sweet home. Now what can we do about our council...who seems to turn everything down. What I believe is that...they may be afraid that if the city thrives again...like DC has the real estate will go sky high. And most folks aren't prepared. I say the hell with them...they should have taken advantage of the $1 sale of homes that happen years ago. I was too young to purchase. But wish I was at least over 18 at the time. I would have taken a five dollar bill and bought five homes. :-). We also have another country right across the street from us. That in itself is wonderful. Tourists would go nuts visiting us and them. Two beatiful skylines, venues to attract young professionals, white and black living together as best as possible. It would be amazing. I can't vote since I'm a resident of Baltimore...but I send emails to the majors office all the time. I think I'll do my part by sending suggestions to him on a regular.

What are your thoughts?
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Speaking of the boblo boat, which i worked on for 2 summers back in 87-88, will make a grand return to shore for the 1st annual River days festival on the new Detroit river boardwalk!!you'll be able to tour the boat and buy souveniers.

This plus greektowns success, a grand o'l dame Book Cadillac Hotel making a return, 3 monster casino hotels, midtown becoming "IT-TOWN",Belle isle getting a major face lift, and big condo developments on the riverfront, A revamped Eastern Market, the disappearance of the 1000s of housing projects that once surrounded downtown,CASS COORIDOR becomes an empty canvess of hope and possibility, A urban college,Wayne State continually growing and extending toward new center and downtown And a new district "Paradise Valley" (NOT AFRICAN TOWN)that will enhance downtowns walkability and retail, dining choices. I give it all 5 strong years till it convinces the biggest naysayers that Detroit is back baby!!!!!!!
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AMEN to that! I need to scape up more money. I must get in on this action. :-)

I must tell my family members to prepare. The best thing that we can do is educate those who do not know and continue to encourage those who do.

Speaking of the lofts, Detroit has prime real estate and the industrial characteristics to continue the development of more lofts. I just hope the developers don't stray away from the original raw design of lofts.

You know...because of my employer...MBA...we get first hand...the regions that are rising in commercial and residential real estates. I'm going to keep a close eye on the news materials emailed to us...and fill you all in.

Ooh! Project...gotta love it.
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When white folks lived and ran all city services and politics in Detroit, they only put subsidies into mostly white and ethnic communities and a teeny bit into small but growing black communities and not using city money too much to start a "Caucasiantown" district. Now black folks took over Detroit, change most of the famous white historian names into African American names and preserving and tearing up most ghettohoods, They want to use some of the city money to re-build a black community. You all know what, if white folks did use all of the city tax money to rebuild a white community and that black folks shouldn't use city money to re-build a black community.
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Danny, now I am going to be nice with this right...


But you sound ignorant...


SHUTDAHELLUP!!!!
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Danny
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Detroit_stylin,

It seems to me that you're joining in the discrimination bandwagon YAY CLAP, CLAP! I can post my comments whatever I want. Ever heard of FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Don't violent my rights!
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It's time to ignore him. The conversation has elevated above him, and is moving beyond him, and that's a good thing.
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drugs?craCK?
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Detroitrunaway
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Username: Detroitrunaway

Post Number: 11
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 11:07 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have to agree with detroit_stylin, DT_remix and LMichigan. Danny, we hit a road block, and strayed from the initial discussion of the development because we were wearing our 'hearts on our sleeve'. But we all dropped it...because it would do no good. Let's just try to keep it civil...(while respecting our freedom of speech)and continue to brainstorm on the neccesities at hand.
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Michigan
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Username: Michigan

Post Number: 502
Registered: 04-2007
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 11:11 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm on board with that Detrun.
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Downtown_remix
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Username: Downtown_remix

Post Number: 332
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 11:23 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok so since this district will happen based on the information provided in the article, lets see how this can pan out, furthur making downtown a more lively destination point. I invision several more restaurant choices with a signature themes, jamaican, african (virtually impossible to find in Detroits heavily black population).Jerk chicken, plantain, curry goat, red stripe ,, ok goin to lunch. could walk to Paradise vALLEY FROM MY OFFICE, SWEET.
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Gistok
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Post Number: 4541
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 11:36 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Downtown_remix... I think it could be a closed head injury... :-(
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Downtown_remix
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Username: Downtown_remix

Post Number: 333
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 12:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

CLOSED HEAD INJURY/?
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Detroitrunaway
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 1:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

DT_remix...you're making me hungry. How about some cury ox tails...yummy!

I used to live right next door to a jamican restaurant in D.C.
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Downtown_remix
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Username: Downtown_remix

Post Number: 334
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 1:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JUST IMAGINE A bright lively jamaican restaurant OPENING RIGHT IN HARMONY PARK. im submitting my proposal for this district today. I know my phone will ring off the hook from Kwame soon.lol
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Detroitrunaway
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Username: Detroitrunaway

Post Number: 13
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 1:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

go for it. You know how to prepare the food? or will you hire out? If you do know how, I bet the special woman in your life is happy. lol.

so they are accepting proposals?
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Downtown_remix
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Username: Downtown_remix

Post Number: 337
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 8:22 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

check out the beginning of this thread. The article was in the news here
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Detroitrunaway
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 4:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I sure will...thanks.

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