  Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1983 Registered: 10-2003 |
I'm a straight rye drinker. If anyone can give me the names of some Detroit and area bars that stock straight rye (think Old Overholt, Rittenhouse, Sazerac, Van Winkle, Wild Turkey Rye), please let me know. I've scoured much of downtown and haven't yet found a single bar that has rye on the shelf. I'm really tired of having to settle for bourbon. | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 5722 Registered: 10-2003 |
If you go often enough, any owner will stock it if you ask. Otherwise, in 7 years behind a bar, I'm not familiar wih any of them. | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 2275 Registered: 11-2005 |
I think you need to look for a place that looks like this:  | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 2875 Registered: 12-2005 |
Maybe you can try to contact the distributors. If all else fails, BYOB.  | ||
Frank_c Member Username: Frank_c Post Number: 1174 Registered: 10-2003 |
What's wrong with Canadian Club? | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1988 Registered: 10-2003 |
"What's wrong with Canadian Club?" Well, it's not rye. Contrary to popular belief, Canadian whiskey is not straight rye (at one time, decades ago, it had a higher rye content, hence the misconception... its mash is mostly corn now). Canadian whiskey is simply blended whiskey. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1989 Registered: 10-2003 |
Pam, you're probably right. The predominant whiskey before 1900 in the US was rye, not bourbon. Abe Lincoln, Wyatt Earp, Buffalo Bill... they all drank rye. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9839 Registered: 12-2003 |
You've got ME curious now, Fury. So the mash for rye is wheat-based? Ever since you started this thread, I've 'Miss America Pie' running through my noggin... | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 2277 Registered: 11-2005 |
Gannon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R ye_whiskey | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 1667 Registered: 10-2003 |
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Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1990 Registered: 10-2003 |
Gannon: it's not wheat. The mash for straight rye calls for at least 51 percent from rye grain (just as the mash from straight bourbon must be at least 51 percent corn). | ||
Frank_c Member Username: Frank_c Post Number: 1178 Registered: 10-2003 |
In Detroit drinking Rye Whiskey means CC, has for generations, quit crying in your whiskey. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1992 Registered: 10-2003 |
Frank, why should I settle for less than the real thing? And by "generations," that would only mean since the '40s or so. Recent history, really. Canadian is NOT rye. You can look it up. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 1688 Registered: 10-2003 |
The bottle I posted, if you look closely, is from Detroit. | ||
Dave Member Username: Dave Post Number: 151 Registered: 10-2003 |
You would think that with so many cajun bars, somebody would make a Sazerac. My local bars don't make it either, so every Mardi Gras I have to teach them and settle for Bourbon instead of Rye and Angostura instead of Peychaud's. I am lucky in that my favorite liquor store carries Sazerac, Wild Turkey, and Jim Beam Rye. They also carry Peychaud's bitters. The only place I have ever found it. Next time I have to substitute I am going to use Cognac instead of Bourbon. The original Sazarac ( the first cocktail) was invented by the New Orleans Druggist (named Peychaud) and named after the Sazerac Cognac he used to make it. Rye was substituted for the Cognac in the 1830's dave | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 9799 Registered: 10-2003 |
Slows has a pretty decent bourbon list. I don't know if they have any ryes but they may stock one or two for you. The thing about bars is the mark up on alcohol is huge so even if you are willing to buy 5-6 drinks from the bottle the price is covered. The distributors they deal with will have access to your requests. I would guess places like Small Plates, union Street, Slows, Toms's would order if you requested. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9846 Registered: 12-2003 |
I looked at Slow's shelves Saturday night...er Sunday morning, but didn't see anything obvious. Saw a few special bourbons and some good scotches, but nothing that said Rye. Didn't ask, either, their relatively new barkeep was a bit perturbed about something late into the morning...so I wasn't going to burden her further. | ||
The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 1916 Registered: 11-2003 |
I am sure no help here, fury. When I got tapped to be a bar tender one evening from the bell staff at Grand Hotel, the first drink I was asked to make for a guest was a Presbyterian.I didn't even know how to spell it much less make it. So I looked at the chap who had ordered the drink, raised my hand, gave him the Sign of the Cross, and said "Though art a Presbyterian". Fortunately, he had a good sense of humor and settled for a Cutty Sark and soda. WOW, my first conversion. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 2026 Registered: 10-2003 |
Good story, Rock. Well, I found one place that has rye -- Cliff Bell's. The only problems there are: 1) the place doesn't open 'til 5 p.m., so it's no good as a lunchtime stop for a shot; and 2) the only rye they carry is Jim Beam Rye, which might be the most pedestrian of all of them. Oh well, one rye is better than no rye. Some might wonder why I don't just get a bottle of rye at a liquor store and take it home. Well, sure, I could do that, but I often prefer the ambience of a bar while I'm having a drink. Or -- some may say that rye is inferior to bourbon anyway... to which I simply say, "You're wrong." | ||
The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 1918 Registered: 11-2003 |
Any chap who ranks his ryes in terms of which is the most "pedestrian" obviously appreciates his beverage and has become an expert on the various brands. I will tip a Wild Turkey to you tonight fury. Does that mean, by definition, that a "person on foot" who "lacks vitality" is a "pedestrian pedestrian"? I love the King's English. | ||
Dave Member Username: Dave Post Number: 159 Registered: 10-2003 |
From the Beverage Tasting Institute: 89 • Sazerac 18 Year Old Rye Whisky $42.99. Rich copper hue. Super-sweet, Christmas spice cake and treacle aromas. A lush entry leads to a fruity-sweet full-bodied palate with outrageously spicy vanilla, toasted coconut, anise cookie, and toffee flavors. Finishes with a long marinating spice and aggressively peppery fade. (tasted on Feb-12-2004) dave | ||
The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 1925 Registered: 11-2003 |
We were first introduced to Sazerac while visiting in New Orleans back in 1959 and had a memorable meal at Antoine's Restaurant in the French Quarter. Lovely drink,meal and date. Still have the menu ( $11.00 minimum per person ). Not cheap. Everything was a la carte. Pompano amandine at $30.25 topped our list. Sazarec turned out to be a real bargain. Good idea. And I am still married to her. |
