Fjw718 Member Username: Fjw718
Post Number: 104 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 4:15 pm: | |
please stop posting about how much you love new york and how much better it is than detroit. Its getting annoying.....from the grocery store stuff to the transit stuff to the people to blah blah blah. No one really cares....believe me, I've been living in Manhattan for 11 years now. This board is about Detroit! not new york city. Thanks |
Andysrc Member Username: Andysrc
Post Number: 163 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 4:32 pm: | |
I agree. One must never, ever compare Detroit to another city. It is (sometimes) acceptable to compare one part of Detroit to another part of Detroit. But do your best to look at Detroit in a vacuum without any outside reference, especially when another city might compare favorably to Detroit in one way or another. |
Fjw718 Member Username: Fjw718
Post Number: 105 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 4:35 pm: | |
great glad we see eye to eye! |
Kslice Member Username: Kslice
Post Number: 25 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 4:45 pm: | |
I love all cities, but I love D Town the most because i grew up in michigan, goin to Tigers games and the jazz fest. In my eyes no other city compares to Detroit. I believe with some work and time we could restore the city to it's former glory! |
Andysrc Member Username: Andysrc
Post Number: 164 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 4:56 pm: | |
Fabulous! In all seriousness, I understand what you're saying. Some people (especially New Yorkers...I just moved there myself) can get a little "braggy" about things. But if we want Detroit to really be a great city, I think it's ok to compare it to other places. It helps keep you honest. Detroit doesn't have to be (and shouldn't be) just like New York, Chicago or Toronto, but those are cities that definitely have things Detroit should strive to achieve, and it's ok to admit that. |
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin
Post Number: 4069 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 4:59 pm: | |
IMHO it's not so much the comparisons that are being made, but the downgrading, the trash talking, the self righteous "we're better than you are, Detroit is a good place to be FROM" type attitudes that irks me... |
1953 Member Username: 1953
Post Number: 1380 Registered: 12-2004
| Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 5:08 pm: | |
Let's be honest: New York is an awful place to live, work, or play. It should be vacated and all of its financial firms should relocate to Detroit. Seriously. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 746 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 5:16 pm: | |
I love Detroit a whole lot but the thing I hate most about it is the self-esteem complex that native Detroiters (both city and suburb) tend to have. Things being what they are, I am still very proud to be from that city. It has so much history and so many world renown natives. Greatest emanates from that place. There aren't many cities in the country, or the world that can match its historical significance. That's why I don't mind touting its importance. I would hope that other natives would do the same and I have a little less respect for those who don't. You'd be hard pressed to find a New Yorker who won't stomp for New York, or a Chicagoan not telling you how good a damn steak tastes in the Chi. I talk about Detroit so much that my coworkers are sick of hearing about it. I hear about NY so much that the feeling is mutual. I (obviously) keep this site open in a browser all day while I'm at work. I have nothing but Detroit scenes on my desktop. I have the utmost respect for that city, where it has been and where it is going. This may not necessarily be the response you were looking for but I just thought this the perfect place to say it. |
Bobj Member Username: Bobj
Post Number: 2126 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 5:16 pm: | |
Every city has something that makes it appealling or did at one time, or it never would have been populated enough to be a city. I like NYC, but I would not want to live there - too busy and congested, not for me. |
Queensfinest Member Username: Queensfinest
Post Number: 103 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 5:33 pm: | |
Yo Fjw718, Shouldn't this topic be moved to the non-Detroit threads? Some of us visit this site for research of actual urban issues and we would like to be able to avoid posts like yours. I could be wrong, but I think that's what the non-Detroit section is for, right? |
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 1190 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 5:37 pm: | |
Don't worry Queens, the topic should be moved once Lowell or the other person sees it. |
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 2112 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 11:19 pm: | |
quote: What Iowa Did to Manhattan Not that long ago, I was in the apartment of some friends of mine and they introduced me to their neighbor, a banker who works downtown and lives in the Village, a woman who grew up in New Jersey. She and I exchanged pleasantries, and then, giving me a friendly, appraising look, she asked where I was from. I hate that. I was pretty sure I knew what was coming next. I smiled and told her that I had moved to New York after living in Minnesota for many years. She nodded. "That explains the twang." Excuse me? "You have a twang," she said confidently. "You've got that Midwestern twang." Oh, the things I could have said in response, such as, "No, that's not a twang, that's what English sounds like." Instead, I mumbled a terse reply and stepped into the kitchen, where I promptly gave myself a twang-free talking-to: Why am I getting so uptight? Who cares if I sound like I come from Illinois or Minnesota? After all, I do come from there. So I returned to the living room, determined to be less defensive about my Midwestern roots. I apologized, made a few jokes about my prairie-based speech patterns, and was just congratulating myself on how I had navigated this set of social rapids when the banker leaned forward with another question. "You use the word 'crik,' right?" she asked. "Only when I'm down in the holler" came out of my mouth before I could stop myself. I was just about to apologize again when I realized that she thought I was serious. And that's when it hit me: she thought I was Tammy. You remember Tammy, played first by Debbie Reynolds and then by Sandra Dee, the corn-fed character from Mississippi whose full name was Tammy Tyree? Who brought along a goat when she attended college? Whose adventures were detailed in such films as Tammy and the Bachelor and Tammy Tell Me True? I a-reckon many of you do. I was going to explain the geographic distance between, say, Mississippi and Minnesota, and then I just shut up. For some New Yorkers, there is no difference between the South and Garrison Keillor country, between people from Mississippi, Minnesota, or, for that matter, Montana. After all, those people are all from the same place: not New York. You can talk about provincialism all you want, but all you will get from them is pity. After all, they grew up in the greatest city on Earth or, more likely, in its shadow. And you didn't. When these New Yorkers are searching for a word to describe some poor rube, they will pull out the closest approximation that comes to mind and then to mouth: "Midwesterner" or "Kansan" or -- the ne plus ultra of a New Yorker put-down -- "Iowan." I once asked a woman who lived in Tribeca what Iowa had ever done to Manhattan. She gave me a dimpled smile and said sweetly, "Everything." She was from Michigan. So that night, in my guise of Tammy, I tethered the goat and brushed the hayseed from my shoulders, determined that I would enjoy the rest of the evening. Lord willin' and the crik don't rise. from Leap Days: Chronicles of a Midlife Move by Katherine Lanpher |
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott
Post Number: 341 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 12:10 am: | |
Come now, this is a Detroit thread. Watch: I'm originally from upstate New York, so New Yorkers (Manhattanites) will claim I'm not from New York at all. Manhattanites don't think people who live in Queens live in New York. Still, I've spent time in the City and as a youth followed the Noo Yawk sports teams. One thing I admire about Detroit is the way we admire people who actually work for a living. Take Al Sobotka, who is in charge of the ice at Joe Louis, and so one of the things he does is drive one of the Zamboni ice resurfacing machines during hockey games. Sobotka was put on a Zamboni atop a float in the Red Wings victory parade when they won the first of their recent Stanley Cups in 1997. I was there, so I know that as a certain fact. Also, I have heard, can't confirm, that Ilitch got him a Stanley Cup ring. Everybody in Detroit who is the least bit of a hockey fan knows who I'm talking about and is surprised I felt the need to explain here who he is. That would never happen in New York, and it's one of the reasons I am proud, despite the City's many and well-documented failings, to be a Detroiter. Also in New York City, nobody would have made a serious attempt to have Connie McConnaghie (I'm sure that's spelled wrong; sorry Connie) run for City Council. This was, oh, mid 1990s or so. Connie is a very self-assured woman, who is homeless by choice and chance some of the time, who my fellow Corktown ruffians and myself would sometimes buy lunch for at McNally's on Porter Street. We suburb-dwellers effed up the petitions otherwise she'd have run and probably got elected. In New York, a Sonny Eliot would no longer be doing radio weather broadcasts and maybe never would have got his start. I'm not picking on New York just it's this thread, substitute "Boston" or any other big sophisticated city you like. Arthur Penhallow wouldn't be doing rock radio. Mike Ilitch and Pete Karmanos wouldn't be semicelebrities. I could go on and on (and already have). Yay Detroit! |
Larryinflorida Member Username: Larryinflorida
Post Number: 50 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 12:48 am: | |
Lord knows, Soupy Sales would never sell there. |
Gsgeorge Member Username: Gsgeorge
Post Number: 136 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 1:03 am: | |
I recently moved to Southern California for the summer and people out here are just CLUELESS when it comes to Detroit. I say something like, 'Yeah, Detroit has a lot of abandoned buildings.' [Confused stare]. Ok, let's try again... 'Detroit has a beautiful riverfront.' [Confused stare, after a few moments...] 'There's a river in Detroit?' Then, after I look at them thinking "HAS THIS GUY EVER LEFT LOS ANGELES," they say something like, "OH, wait. That's where 8-mile is, RIGHT?!" christ.... |
Gsgeorge Member Username: Gsgeorge
Post Number: 137 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 1:07 am: | |
p.s. I guess the point is that these people--Los Angelenos, New Yorkers-- etc. don't have the slightest clue what Detroit even is. They just know that their city has more people (LA) and better transit (NYC). |
Michigan Member Username: Michigan
Post Number: 200 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 12:00 pm: | |
I am born and bred in NY, and I live here now. But, I love Michigan. I lived across the lake in cheeseland for 5 years, and my wife is a FIB from Chicago. We spend August on North Lake Leelanau with her family and can not get enough of the place. My experience of the midwest has taught me that people need to approach it as they would approach a delicious "assiette de fromage" or wonderful single malt scotch, or clams and oyster on the half shell. The beauty of cities of the midwest is very subtle and often hidden from outsiders. It is only after actually spending time in one of these places, and living day to day with the citizens, that you begin to understand and appreciate the small but incredible things that each city wonderful. Once you have acquired that taste, like a taste for single malts or fresh dug shellfish, you love it and cherish it. Don't let silly comments get in the way of knowing that there are some things you can find in these smaller mid-american cities that you will never find on either the left or right coast. |
Crash_nyc Member Username: Crash_nyc
Post Number: 875 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 5:23 am: | |
Professorscott: In New York, a Sonny Eliot would no longer be doing radio weather broadcasts...Arthur Penhallow wouldn't be doing rock radio. Not to mention Bernie Smilovitz, who was on the air here when I first moved from Detroit to NYC. They made him shave his mustache and disavow all knowledge of Detroit upon arrival. I grew up loving Bernie's sportscasts on WDIV, and it was painful to see him playing second-fiddle to a comparatively half-assed sportscaster in NYC. He was ultimately sent packing back to Detroit. Bill Bonds suffered the same fate back-in-the-day, except on a national stage with ABC News. There's a certain candor that seems to play well on Detroit TV that just doesn't groove with the NYC mindset. Call it East Coast vs Midwest, or what have you. I've always grooved toward the Midwest candor...but have grown to appreciate the sledgehammer-to-the-forehead subtleties of NYC. I moved here to be a part of national mass-media (I work for a major cable network), and especially after seeing Bernie's fate, I'm happy to be working behind the camera, rather than in front of it. In the way of radio, they tend to be totally unadventurous here. One would think that this would be the greatest radio market in the world, but it's not. There's simply too much at stake with the NYC major network "mother stations" to risk anything innovative. Don't ask me why. [But I will say that the public and pirate stations here are awesome.] I'm still pissed-off by the recent shift at WDET, as I thought it's music programming was one of the major trumps that it had over it's NYC counterpart, WBAI. I go out of my way to amp-up Detroit to otherwise 'Detroit-clueless' New Yorkers. Whether or not they take it to heart is another story. Hell, I still wear old "Red Door" (yes, the old-school after-hours joint), 89X, & Red Wings shirts to work whenever I can, just to spark conversation. Overall, I tend to despise those who draw unfair comparisons between Detroit and NYC. There really is no comparison, and I hope that no one on this board has ever thought that I've become an arrogant New Yorker. If anything, I'm the opposite: jaded & beat-down. I lived in Detroit for 23 years, and Brooklyn for 12 years. NYC can be a hard place to live, and a real challenge. But when it comes down to sticking up for your 'hometown', I've found it too easy to just sing "New York, New York". I have never felt more hometown pride than simply saying that I'm a born & bred Detroiter. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 9207 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 10:18 am: | |
quote:p.s. I guess the point is that these people--Los Angelenos, New Yorkers-- etc. don't have the slightest clue what Detroit even is. They just know that their city has more people (LA) and better transit (NYC). How much do Detroiters know about Los Angelos or New York? The thought that everyone else is clueless about Detroit is no different than most Detroiters cluelessness about other places in the country/world. |
Andysrc Member Username: Andysrc
Post Number: 168 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 11:35 am: | |
Better yet, how much do Detroiters really know about Phoenix or Denver. It's easy to say you know something about the two biggest cities in the country, but what do most Detroiters know about other cities of similar size that are halfway across the country? You're totally right Jt1. There's this expectation that everyone in the world should know a lot about Detroit, but my guess is that Detroiters are no more educated about other cities than those citizens are about Detroit. |
Jelk Member Username: Jelk
Post Number: 4382 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 3:31 pm: | |
quote:I'm still pissed-off by the recent shift at WDET, as I thought it's music programming was one of the major trumps that it had over it's NYC counterpart, WBAI. Yeah Judy Adams smooth jazz marathons were a blast and wasn't it fun to hear the music record companies paid Martin Bandyke to play. |
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox
Post Number: 193 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 8:27 pm: | |
Jelk, two words: Liz Copeland. Maybe her show wasn't your cup of tea, but no way in hell was she paid off by record companies. |
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