Ltrain Member Username: Ltrain
Post Number: 107 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 5:33 pm: | |
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20061109/U PDATE/611090462 Not really but this article would make you think it. How do they connect the Detroit and Saginaw dots and when did Detroit invent Devil's Night? |
Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine
Post Number: 238 Registered: 04-2004
| Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 6:36 pm: | |
I'm surprised there is anything left of the East side to burn. |
Royce Member Username: Royce
Post Number: 1881 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 1:44 am: | |
"'Devil's Night' is the name given to the night before Halloween in Detroit." I didn't know that Detroit had an exclusive contract with Devil's Night mischief. |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1843 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 2:13 am: | |
Heh, believe it or not, it's generally considered a Detroit thing around the county. My friends in other cities have never even heard of it except in the context of Detroit. |
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81
Post Number: 1175 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 2:16 am: | |
Check out CNN. http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US /11/09/saginaw.fires.ap/ |
Ragtoplover59 Member Username: Ragtoplover59
Post Number: 14 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 3:18 am: | |
"Devil's Night -- the name given to the night before Halloween in Detroit -- gained notoriety after a high number of arsons during the 1980s and early 1990s" "when did Detroit invent Devil's Night?" I know it was called "Devil's Night" long before the 80's, seen many Garages burned during the early 70's but not so much of the Houses yet! Although Houses did get "Firebombed" for some reason at any time of the year? I also recall a Broken Down Bus getting torched on the Service Drive close to Springwells. Being at a young age,I never wondered "What the Hell is Happening to our city", It felt more like "there goes another one". |
Broncobillybuttons Member Username: Broncobillybuttons
Post Number: 6 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 4:41 am: | |
We absolutely had Devil's Night in the early 'Fifties, certainly up in my 'hood just south of Northland (I lived more or less under the towering watertank that once graced Viola Liuzzo Park). However, it was basically a night of soaping windows and stealing hubcaps that left us free to collect candy on Halloween. A few other cities back East have adopted the practice in recent decades, but probably after hearing about Detroit in the news. |
Treelock Member Username: Treelock
Post Number: 173 Registered: 03-2005
| Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 10:59 am: | |
People in other parts of the country have no idea what "Devil's Night" is, and I, too associate the occasion with childhood memories of toilet-papering trees, playing ding-dong-ditch or maybe, in the most fiendish of cases, egging the homes of hornery ones. |
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936
Post Number: 908 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 12:59 pm: | |
Devil's Night in the 'forties was ringing doorbells and knocking over trash cans in the alley. There was no arson back then. |
Quickdrawmcgraw Member Username: Quickdrawmcgraw
Post Number: 86 Registered: 10-2005
| Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 1:08 pm: | |
It was the media who hyped this back then and still now. |
Dds Member Username: Dds
Post Number: 13 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 1:25 pm: | |
quote:Not really but this article would make you think it. How do they connect the Detroit and Saginaw dots and when did Detroit invent Devil's Night?
I don't think it connects any dots, or even implies that Detroit coined the phrase "Devil's Night." The article simply states "Devil's Night -- the name given to the night before Halloween in Detroit" which means that's what we call it down here. The article goes on to say that we've "effectively put an end to the arsons" which puts Detroit in a positive light. Let's learn to read objectively before climbing on the "They're bashing Detroit" bandwagon. (Message edited by dds on November 10, 2006) |
Sycloneman
Member Username: Sycloneman
Post Number: 59 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 1:31 pm: | |
At least CNN left out the part about Detroit. :P |
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248
Post Number: 101 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 3:15 pm: | |
I guess the burning of buildings in Iraq was because of Detroit also. wtf? |
Ltrain Member Username: Ltrain
Post Number: 108 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 9:56 pm: | |
All I am saying is there was zero point in mentioning Detroit in an article about Saginaw having fire issues when it's basically been a non issue in Detroit for years. It's not reading objectively, it's not necessary. |
Ltrain Member Username: Ltrain
Post Number: 109 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 9:58 pm: | |
"Devil's Night -- the name given to the night before Halloween in Detroit" How is that not "coining" something? WTF? |
Bob_cosgrove Member Username: Bob_cosgrove
Post Number: 407 Registered: 03-2005
| Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 8:11 am: | |
The name Devil's Night was not coined in or for Detroit - that term goes centuries back, although it's been applied to what was going on in Detroit, especially arson, for the past 20 or 30 years. Bob Cosgrove |
Dds Member Username: Dds
Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 9:33 am: | |
quote:I guess the burning of buildings in Iraq was because of Detroit also.
No, but there is this highly documented phenomenon called copycat crimes. Cosgrove is right, with a little research, one can find out easily that the term did not originate in Detroit, but has been associated with Detroit because of our history.
quote:it's basically been a non issue in Detroit for years.
And if arson on Devil's Night has not been an non-issue in Detroit for years, why do we still have to organize Angel's Night volunteers? I would say that make it an issue. (Message edited by dds on November 11, 2006) |
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248
Post Number: 110 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 11:52 am: | |
Copycat crimes??? Excuse me, but are the people in Iraq looking at 20 year old videos of Detroit and then saying, "Great idea! Why don't we burn down Baghdad also?" I think the Romans burned down cities long before anyone here did. Hey, let's start showing videos of Nero fiddling while Rome burned. |
Dds Member Username: Dds
Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 3:46 pm: | |
quote:Copycat crimes??? Excuse me, but are the people in Iraq looking at 20 year old videos of Detroit and then saying, "Great idea! Why don't we burn down Baghdad also?"
Actually I was referring to the Saginaw fires. It sounded like you were making an overstatement in your previous post. I was using your statement to sort of back up that it's ridiculous to make the connection that Detroit should be blamed for what's happening in Saginaw. Or the fact that anything like that should be, or could be inferred from the article in mention. Please note that the best use of sarcasm is to keep piling it on. Hell, let's blame all of the Devil's Night fires on Mrs. O'Leary's cow and blame Chicago for all of our problems. |
Mountainman Member Username: Mountainman
Post Number: 116 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 11:35 pm: | |
Devil's night is actually a term used frequently throughout the British Commonwealth. It stems from the origins of Halloween in the British Isles. I could post a large tirate on the Celtic origins of Halloween, but I suffice it to say that Devil's night for well over 1500 yrs has been the name applied to the night of mischief prior to the festivals celebrated on present day Halloween. As for how I know this, I'm presently studying Medeval English Literature. I don't think Detroit really holds any claim to the name. Although the media certainly would like to believe so. |
Dds Member Username: Dds
Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 10:44 am: | |
Again with Saginaw I'm surprised no one caught on to this article and started bashing the residents of Saginaw for calling their city a "Little Detroit." |
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248
Post Number: 180 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 10:48 am: | |
"It sounded like you were making an overstatement in your previous post." Yes I was. Dripping sarcasm is one of my strong points :-) |
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player
Post Number: 263 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 11:22 am: | |
Devil's Night is an age-old tradition of mischief, but it was only in Detroit that burning down houses en masse became a yearly reality. I know people just discovering Detroit don't seem to understand this, but in the 80s there were over 800 house fires in a three-day period around Halloween for several years, hence the very well-deserved national reputation. Why do you think they send out thousands of volunteers nowadays on Devil's Night to keep watch on the streets of the city - for no reason? Rather than get hysterical every time the media mentions Detroit, perhaps take into account the well-documented history behind their statments. The thousands of arson fires on successive Devil's Nights were a fact, and were a strictly Detroit phenomenon. (Message edited by hockey_player on November 22, 2006) |
Dds Member Username: Dds
Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 11:35 am: | |
Like I said, I'm surprised folks around here are NOT pitching a fit. Then again, you have the scantily-cladded tart on the other thread that's keeping people's attention. Priorities, y'know. |