  Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 2044 Registered: 12-2004 |
I don't know about any of the other neighborhoods, but in Warrendale there were numerous incidents of teenagers targeting the volunteer patrol cars; throw eggs and insults at them. The most discouraging part of it though, is how DPD reacted to it - hanging up on volunteers who called in to report it; refusing to take a report at the station. I'm wondering: has this happened anywhere else in the city? Or is this just an isolated incident? http://warrendale.blogspot.com /2006/11/angels-night-turns-he llish.html | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 794 Registered: 03-2006 |
That's just disgusting.  | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 3117 Registered: 10-2003 |
Well it didnt happen at the Six Mile/ Meyers area where I was volunteering with my frat brothers. There were no reports of negative incidents there. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10814 Registered: 10-2003 |
I suggest arming the people doing patrols next year. Load their guns with blanks, fire off a few rounds at the kids. They'll piss themselves as they haul ass home. Problem solved.  FYI, we seemed to have a group of teens up to no good. All probably around 16 or so, wandering the neighborhood all night. As sirens from DPD spuratically went off, some would haul ass, to which one teen said "Nigga, you go runnin' and they gonna know yer ass is doin' somethin' wrong!" I saw the same group throw something either at a car at the gas station or at the building itself, upon which they hauled ass. Saw a few busted pumpkins last night, but that was the worst of the damage that I saw. Typicaly Halloween "pranks" that you would see in most any neighborhood across metro Detroit. Seriously man, you don't think the DPD is gonna take the time to file a report over some mouthy kids throwing eggs do you? It likely will cost the city some volunteers next year, but I don't see the DPD changing their stance on this one. | ||
Toolbox Member Username: Toolbox Post Number: 1000 Registered: 10-2003 |
Hell, the kids might return fire and with better weapons to boot. (Message edited by toolbox on November 01, 2006) | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 2045 Registered: 12-2004 |
Teenagers returning fire is definitely something to worry about. The one thing that I have to give our volunteers credit for is the fact that, after this happened on Monday, everyone of them was back for more on Tuesday. Even the 80-year old amputee. | ||
Reetz12 Member Username: Reetz12 Post Number: 92 Registered: 09-2005 |
Does anyone know the count of fires this year? How many fires did we have at our worst times? Compared to the recent years? | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 6954 Registered: 12-2003 |
Hey, he had less to lose. YOU brought him up, F. Couldn't resist. Kudos to all for their efforts, caught the Drudge Report trying to dredge up some dirt on Devil's Night fires, best they could do is include Detroit in their story on sixteen fires in one night in Saginaw. I cannot find it in their archives now, but it was there. I had to laugh, because sixteen fires in one night is a banner night in Detroit. I believe the average number is above 150 per night, I remember when getting it down to 200 per was a good thing. The Japanese news crews only came when it was near 600. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 6955 Registered: 12-2003 |
Here is that story, slightly rewritten and without Detroit in its headline any longer. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 869 Registered: 11-2003 |
Detroit Stylin.. what frat? GOMAB | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 3119 Registered: 10-2003 |
G Phi G Vision... Groove Phi Groove SFI... | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 909 Registered: 12-2005 |
Reetz12: I saw a story in the Detroit News that claimed it was less than last year, continuing the downward trend. | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2006 |
this thread title of "Hellish" is a bit of an overstatement | ||
Taj920 Member Username: Taj920 Post Number: 145 Registered: 01-2004 |
Sheriff Evans and Art Blackwell said Highland Park was as quiet as can be. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 870 Registered: 11-2003 |
stylin.. hit me up kevin at crushmediagroup dot com | ||
Valkyrias Member Username: Valkyrias Post Number: 367 Registered: 02-2005 |
"this thread title of "Hellish" is a bit of an overstatement" gotta agree on that one...things could have been far worse, like the melee that took place last night in san fran. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/arti cle.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/01/BAGF 0M3UOQ5.DTL | ||
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed Post Number: 590 Registered: 02-2006 |
We can now say with "absolute certainty" that you are more likely to be shot on Halloween in San Francisco than in Detroit. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 3127 Registered: 10-2003 |
Wow and virtually no national coverage of Angel's Night.... at least not on the level of what they would have given Devil's Night... | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 872 Registered: 11-2003 |
Stylin'..... I guess the thought about not covering it is... why cover what they should have been doing all along? But they should do a compare and contrast from years past and present to show how things have improved | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 3128 Registered: 10-2003 |
Exactly Vision as well as let the people of the nation know that people in the D actually give a damn about the city and the silly ass Devil's Night comments can finally subside. It's a damn shame how as effective as this initiative has been it has not been brought to national (and international like Devil's Night did) attention, and possibly being used as a model for other locales that may experience a similar phenomena... | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 397 Registered: 05-2006 |
quote: Kudos to all for their efforts, caught the Drudge Report trying to dredge up some dirt on Devil's Night fires, best they could do is include Detroit in their story on sixteen fires in one night in Saginaw ______________________________ ___________________ You have to love how Matt Drudge is now crying in his corn flakes! Too bad Detroit has once again put 1984 behind her, all the poor naysayers are looking for some other story about "liberal failiers". Detroitej72...proudly drinking his OWN kool-aid, not some right or left wing pundant's! (Message edited by detroitej72 on November 01, 2006) (Message edited by detroitej72 on November 01, 2006) | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 3212 Registered: 10-2003 |
More Kudos to all the thousands Angels on Angel's Night. The good folk are winning. Keep making a difference! | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 856 Registered: 11-2004 |
Throwing eggs and heckling - Hellish??? Where is the National Guard when you need them? later - naturalsister | ||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 3058 Registered: 10-2003 |
Dstylin and Visiondetroit "Pass the Old Gold!" LL Cool J | ||
Matt Member Username: Matt Post Number: 1120 Registered: 10-2003 |
Maybe all those kids were just trying to target you, Fnemecek. | ||
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 317 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hmm my area was East Warrendale (Joy to Paul, and Southfield to Greenfield). I had no incidents like that. I did see some kids walking to the party store shined a light on them and joked hey kids ya want me to take ya to jail? We all laughed. F - btw, just E of the bew Superbowl legacy site are a whole slew of new homes being built on Tireman and on the streets just N of Tireman and W of Greenfield. Lots of great new urbanist type infil in Warrendale! I did not know about that, I was patrolling with someone high up in the planning dept who was dumbfounded by the homes there too, as it is not in the empowerment zone. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 6957 Registered: 12-2003 |
I guess my numbers were aggregate for the entire three-day holiday. WDET reported this morning that the average number of fires is around 40 per night...and with all the volunteers driving around, the Angel's Night totals have been less than that for the past few years. Cheers to the volunteers, holding back destruction, death, and darkness!! | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 2046 Registered: 12-2004 |
I thought the contrast between "Angels' Night" and "Hellish" was amusing. It works for me.
Okay - I make a comedic overstatement and you respond with an overstatement. Sounds fair. Frankly, I'm more annoyed at how DPD blew everybody off than anything else. Angels' Night is only a 3 day thing. The Warrendale Community Organization and Radio Patrol each need to recruit volunteers for the other 362 nights. The conduct of DPD officers on Monday makes doing that a lot harder now.
Considering how many people I've pissed off for one reason or another, that's always a possibility. But if they were really targeting me, I think they would have screamed, "Quit bitching about the Madison-Lenox" or something like that. Besides, when I went in to volunteer, I was told by a DPD officer that my neighborhood wasn't a priority and they'd prefer it if I patrolled out near Green Lawn Cemetary instead. I did and had a very uneventful pair of evenings.
Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out. (Message edited by fnemecek on November 02, 2006) | ||
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81 Post Number: 1165 Registered: 11-2003 |
Would be wonderful if the type of effort put out for the few days around Halloween was done 365 days a year. What a difference! I must give props to the city and the residents and volunteers. This program has been a HUGE success and really turned what was something awful into a wonderful positive for the city. Very very impressed. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 618 Registered: 01-2005 |
On Devil's Night in the Vernor/Junction area, at 7:00 PM, two walking teenagers shot up a parked car on a residential side-street. Pretty large-caliber weapon. Police arrived and took a report and told the car-owners that they could pick it up at the station later. End of story, end of investigation! Walking teen-agers, 7:00 in the evening - good neighborhood until now. But no police follow-up! Amazing. What might the future hold when there is so little fear of the law? | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 22 Registered: 10-2006 |
Actually, the only "hellish" fires this year were in the outlying areas. Between the fires in Saginaw, kids burning down Dondero High School in Royal Oak, and the fatal fire in Madison Heights, maybe we should start bashing the suburbs??? | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 5150 Registered: 02-2004 |
Yes Yvette248, If those arsonists can't burn Detroit down. Then they would go the suburbs and burn the houses down. (Message edited by danny on November 02, 2006) | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 5151 Registered: 02-2004 |
All of you remember that When Devil's Night was in full swing in Detroit ghettohoods in 1983 under the Coleman Young Administration, there were over 803 arson house fires. It's was like the repeat of the 67 all over again. Now since former mayor Dennis Archer increase patrols all over the streets soon most arson fires are reduced na juvenile delinquents are put away behind bars for breaking curfew. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 1226 Registered: 11-2003 |
I dunno, it looked like Dondero was still standing to me... | ||
Fjw718 Member Username: Fjw718 Post Number: 83 Registered: 11-2005 |
Blog entry is deleted, wonder why????????? | ||
Hybridy Member Username: Hybridy Post Number: 27 Registered: 08-2006 |
angels night needs to be scaled back not eliminated but scaled back we don't want another '96 but scale that shit back | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1682 Registered: 06-2004 |
We were driving through that area during a break in our patrol and my car was egged. Just a couple blocks from 6 Mile / Meyers. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 23 Registered: 10-2006 |
Dondero fire causes hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage ROYAL OAK -- A Tuesday arson fire at Dondero High School caused hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage. The 3 a.m. blaze started in the gym and so badly damaged the area that the basketball court floor had to be ripped up and the upper portion of the southern wall will have to be significantly repaired if not outright replaced, said Royal Oak Superintendent Thomas Moline. "It is a shame," Police Chief Quisenberry said. "I do not know why they did something like this." | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1683 Registered: 06-2004 |
Why??? | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 918 Registered: 12-2005 |
Detroit News reports the number of arsons this year were 8% fewer than last year. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 1228 Registered: 11-2003 |
Yvette, the gym was damaged but the building is still standing. In fact, only one wall of the gym was so badly damaged that it will have to be torn down. I wouldn't necessarily call that "burned down" But you can rail against the suburbs all you like, it certainly helps the city, doesn't it? | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 5157 Registered: 02-2004 |
Yvette248, After that Fire at Dondero High School. Our generation of kids and teens going through that hormonal hiccup, growing up too fast, and getting advice from Hip Hop and sex genre. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 5158 Registered: 02-2004 |
The 2 kids who burned the gymnasium part of Dondero High are now in police custody until further notice. Folks these days don't even give a care about education. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 1229 Registered: 11-2003 |
Yeah, because there sure is a lot of education going on at Dondero nowadays... | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 2047 Registered: 12-2004 |
I took it off-line for awhile at the request of the patrollers. They were meeting with various command officers within DPD and felt it would be better that way. The post is back on-line now. More news should follow early next week. | ||
Detrola Member Username: Detrola Post Number: 33 Registered: 02-2006 |
We should be happy there was no national press coverage of angel's night. Do we really want the rest of the nation to know the shameful truth, that it takes 60 thousand volunteers to keep the city from burning itself to the ground? This is not something to take pride in. | ||
Rasputin Member Username: Rasputin Post Number: 3783 Registered: 10-2003 |
Hey Lowel, basically; the "good folks" never lost!! The majority of those "so-called" Devil's Night fires (in the 80s & early 90s) were proven to have started by real estate development companies, not Detroit residents; with most of them set in the areas surrounding the State Fairgrounds and around the Van Dyke-City Airport area, in addition to the lower East Side. All areas that had been targeted for "redevelopment" by outsiders!!! So, go figure on a real racist myth!! Black-atcha ..... watching the perpetuation of bullschitt | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 3981 Registered: 11-2004 |
There was proof Rasputin? Not saying there wasn't any but if what you say is true, where were any of the arrests? I always thought the real tragedy of the Devils' Night fires were that most of the arsonists went unpunished. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 5164 Registered: 02-2004 |
Rasputin, That is some good proof on the Devil's Night/ real estate scandal. Ze'ev Charfet's argument of Devil's Night proves it, too. It's NOT absolute true, but from a he said she said comment. | ||
Ffdfd Member Username: Ffdfd Post Number: 19 Registered: 09-2006 |
I worked two of the three Angels Night shifts and we were humping. I saw no shortage of arson fires. And the arsonists seemed more competent than usual -- nice big blazes. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2006 |
Wow, I never heard that before, but it makes perfect sense. If you can't sell the house at a profit, just torch it and collect the insurance money. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 3983 Registered: 11-2004 |
Yvette248, in a way that makes sense to me too. But again, that's our devious little minds thinking that's genius. My concern is can we actually prove the landlords did that to collect though?? Or even if we caught an arsonist or two- can we link them back to the landlord somehow?? | ||
Ffdfd Member Username: Ffdfd Post Number: 20 Registered: 09-2006 |
Messykitty ... definition of the verb hump from Merriam-Webster Online: (I'll give you a hint, we weren't copulating.) hump Main Entry: 2hump Function: verb transitive verb 1 often vulgar : to copulate with 2 : to exert (oneself) vigorously 3 : to make humpbacked : HUNCH 4 chiefly British : to put or carry on the back : LUG; also : TRANSPORT intransitive verb 1 : to exert oneself : HUSTLE 2 : to move swiftly : RACE | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 2051 Registered: 12-2004 |
Thanks for doing a kick ass job, Ffdfd. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2006 |
Down here in Charlotte, NC the only Halloween news to make it here out of the D (national?) was the MOCAD stunt of the person spray painting the side of their building. The local newscasters down here thought that that was a pretty creative stunt. |
