  Tndetroiter Member Username: Tndetroiter Post Number: 386 Registered: 12-2005 |
Detroit needs a Major League Soccer club. Your thoughts? | ||
Miss_cleo Member Username: Miss_cleo Post Number: 324 Registered: 05-2005 |
no, they dont | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 269 Registered: 08-2006 |
Cleo, RIGHT! | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 2174 Registered: 02-2005 |
Not a matter of whether we need it or not. Let's let the market decide. Someone can setup a franchise, I probably just won't go to any games. It would have been a perfect use for Tiger stadium in these last seven years of disgrace. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 239 Registered: 01-2006 |
They could play in the new olympic stadium that will be modified after the olympics are over. lol | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 270 Registered: 08-2006 |
I dont think too many Detroiters care about Soccer as much as the sport teams we have now. Most major cities in the U.S. doesnt have a Soccer team because its not going to be as profitable as the sports we have now. | ||
Reetz12 Member Username: Reetz12 Post Number: 89 Registered: 09-2005 |
We just got the Detroit Ignition MISL team that kicks off November 4th at the Compuware Sports Arena. www.detroitignition.com If we did get a team, what about fixing up the soccer fields on Belle Isle with some Stadium Seating? | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 861 Registered: 01-2005 |
Watching 90 minutes of soccer to see it end up in a 1-0 score is like watching grass grow. Second stupidest sport ever invented. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 844 Registered: 11-2003 |
Didn't we have a team or two... Safari and Rockers... | ||
Andysrc Member Username: Andysrc Post Number: 125 Registered: 07-2005 |
If there was an MLS team here, I'd go. I'm not sure how successful it would be. Most MLS stadiums are in the 20,000 seat range, with average attendance normally between 8,000 and 13,000 per game. I'd love someone to give it a try, but my gut says it wouldn't be a huge success. | ||
Tndetroiter Member Username: Tndetroiter Post Number: 387 Registered: 12-2005 |
Those were indoor teams, nothing like real soccer. Ray, Soccer is very entertaining and is by no means a stupid sport. The rest of the world would vigorously debate your statement. There's a ton of soccer brats in this area, Detroit could easily support a team. For more information, refer to this site: http://www.mlsdetroit.com/inde x.asp | ||
Tndetroiter Member Username: Tndetroiter Post Number: 388 Registered: 12-2005 |
A quick check of the MLS website lists attendance at most of its games in the 21,000-17,000 range. The MLS as a whole posted small profits for the first time last year and received a paying TV contract for the first time as well. I think a franchise would do well here. If Toronto can support a team, Detroit certainly can. | ||
Mjb3 Member Username: Mjb3 Post Number: 112 Registered: 11-2004 |
Try if you want to, but noone is interested in soccer. We even hosted the silly World Cup @ Silverdome in 1996 and noone cared. Leave soccer to Europe and the 3rd world. | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 271 Registered: 08-2006 |
Agreed Mjb3. | ||
Tndetroiter Member Username: Tndetroiter Post Number: 389 Registered: 12-2005 |
Can any of you identify which sport more American youths are playing today than any other? | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 379 Registered: 05-2005 |
Soccer is a sad little sport designed for the third world and the socialist masses. It has no place here. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 774 Registered: 12-2005 |
How popular is soccer in Canada? Just curious. | ||
Zephyrprocess Member Username: Zephyrprocess Post Number: 90 Registered: 08-2006 |
Easy: Madden Football! LOL For the record--I'm in favor of an MLS franchise and would attend games. Unfortunately, we have no appropriately-sized venue, somewhere in between Hurley Field in Berkeley (3-4k?) and Rynearson Stadium in Ypsi (~30k) | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 272 Registered: 08-2006 |
That and NBA live and alll they do here in Detroit is play Basketball or Football for fun and compettition. | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 1250 Registered: 04-2005 |
Call them the Cougars From Wikipedia The Detroit Cougars were a soccer team based out of Detroit, Michigan that played in the United Soccer Association. The league was made up of teams imported from foreign leagues. The Detroit club was actually Glentoran F.C. from Belfast, Northern Ireland. Following the 1967 season, the USA merged with the National Professional Soccer League to form the North American Soccer League with the teams from the former USA having to create their rosters from scratch. Their home field was Tiger Stadium. In 1968, they shut down operations. (Message edited by PSIP on October 18, 2006) | ||
Dtrain Member Username: Dtrain Post Number: 51 Registered: 11-2003 |
Anybody remember the Detroit Express? | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 1037 Registered: 12-2004 |
Soccers for other peoples. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 144 Registered: 09-2006 |
I agree Futurecity, soccer has no place here its for the lesser countries like the UK or France. But in about 50 years when the US is completely immigrant, soccer will be everywhere mark my words. And Zephyrprocess you are sooo right, videogames are partially the reason this country is fatter compared to the rest of the developed world but oh well give me madden any day instead of actual activity. GO TIGERS!!! | ||
Jimg Member Username: Jimg Post Number: 724 Registered: 10-2003 |
Yes, I remember the Express. Went to a few games. Trevor Francis (ex-Premier League) played for the team and he was far-and-away the best player. I love baseball and also soccer. It is inspiring to watch a great player like Thierry Henry. | ||
Dtrain Member Username: Dtrain Post Number: 52 Registered: 11-2003 |
Jimg, those games were at the Silverdome right? | ||
Jimg Member Username: Jimg Post Number: 725 Registered: 10-2003 |
Yes | ||
Spitty Member Username: Spitty Post Number: 486 Registered: 07-2004 |
I'd rather watch soccer than WNBA, but that still seems to be hanging around. I'd go and watch soccer if it were played here. I think it could catch on. | ||
Dtrain Member Username: Dtrain Post Number: 53 Registered: 11-2003 |
Jimg did you ever get to see the Cosmos? I just saw that movie about the team on ESPN. They drew 77K to Giants stadium in the seventies. Just goes to show what good marketing and a great television contract can do. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1842 Registered: 07-2004 |
This has to be the most ill timed thread perhaps ever on the forum. The Tigers are in the World Series and someone suggests a soccer team? Huh? Soccer has not caught on here.I know lots of kids are playing soccer.However it does not transfer once those kids get older.Football and basketball have and always will be more (much) attractive to our athletes. An irony I notice now is that in the smaller towns around Ann Arbor; Saline, Chelsea, Dexter kids are still playing baseball and football i.e. young grade school kids. As a result it is not unusual at all for Saline or Chelsea high school to beat the Ann Arbor and Ypsi schools in baseball and football something that would not have happened 15-20 years ago. | ||
Tndetroiter Member Username: Tndetroiter Post Number: 390 Registered: 12-2005 |
So just because one of our teams is doing well we're incapable of talking about bringing another professional franchise to the area? You're a bright one. Soccer is a fast growing sport and will be just as popular as basketball in say 20 years or so. Not to bring race into it, but most of white America has grown disinterested in basketball. It isn't good for a sport when a large part of the population is becoming more and more alienated from the game. There are many parts of the country where soccer is just as, if not more popular than hockey. It's definately a growing sport. The interest in the U.S. World Cup team this year, despite their poor showing, demonstrates that. If Columbus can support a team, why the hell can't Detroit? Mayor, I infer from your post that you believe the UK and France are less advanced culturally and intellectually than we are. Where the hell is that coming from? | ||
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81 Post Number: 1150 Registered: 11-2003 |
Soccer BLOWS. Its like hockey, which I love, only 1000 times slower and even less scoring. So boring.... | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 380 Registered: 05-2005 |
I don't agree that there was interest in the US World Cup team this year. I think that 99.9/100 Americans don't give two shits about the US World Cup team. And they never will. And they sucked on top of it. Soccer in America is the Great Socialization Sport for Children. It's meant for kiddies and helping to build their self esteem (don't take my word for it, go to soccer.org and read for yourself). And, like Flintstone Vitamins and Barney, soccer is never taken too seriously and is soon tossed aside as the kiddies approach adulthood. Professional soccer in Detroit? Sorry, but Har, Har. Never going to fly. | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 1173 Registered: 06-2005 |
I am still adjusting to the WBNA, which i think is on a roll. After the ladies basketball prospers then I will have some time for soccer. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 148 Registered: 09-2006 |
Columbus probably supports soccer because besides Ohio State and their hockey team there is no other major professional sports teams in their city. And plus its Ohio theyre a little different done there. On another note I am suprised 730 thousand people live in Columbus though, they might pass us up one day. Tndetroiter, i'm just an asshole on occasion this being one of them, dont mind me. But I didnt imply that they were lacking intellectually or culturally, I simply stated they were lesser. Lesser could mean militarily, physical size, population, or the fact that they enjoy soccer over our good American real football. NO offense, but in either case they would indeed be lesser. But im off topic I apologize. | ||
Erikto Member Username: Erikto Post Number: 467 Registered: 11-2003 |
I think the English would propose their 'soccer' IS the "real football", and that American football is for guys who need too much padding and too many breaks to play rugby. I don't really like any organized team sports, and have no interest in promoting one over the other. On the other hand, if a team sport is to determine who is really the best as opposed to the wealthiest, then the most democratized, proverbial and literal "level playing field" must be a sport that requires the least non-human (structural, equipment, etc) stuff. Just a ball, even a home made one, for instance. Like soccer. | ||
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa Post Number: 586 Registered: 09-2005 |
Americans will follow soccer once the United States dominates soccer. When the United States becomes a soccer powerhouse, NBC will start to hype the event and convince Americans they need to support American soccer (which in turn increases NBC market share during the Olympics). Why do you think so many Americans follow gymnastics??? | ||
Mpow Member Username: Mpow Post Number: 225 Registered: 11-2003 |
man that would be great to have football in detroit. i would be the first hooligan. | ||
Mjb3 Member Username: Mjb3 Post Number: 113 Registered: 11-2004 |
The interest in the US World Cup team demonstrates what? Maybe it is more popular than sync. swimming, but not a major player. Everyone keeps saying "in 20 yrs, soccer will be big..." They said the same thing in the 70s and it dissapeared. The only reason we even know there was a world cup last summer was because Nike, Pepsi, etc were cramming it down our throat. They want to sell their products in Europe and 3rd world. If there is a real sports crisis in Detroit, it's the enigma that is the Detroit Lions franchise and what the Ford's have done to this town since 1957. I really wanted to see them go 0-16 to expose Ford as the sham owner that he is. | ||
Pistonian_revolution Member Username: Pistonian_revolution Post Number: 24 Registered: 05-2006 |
you are all idiots who say detroiters don't care about soccer. why dont you speak for yourself instead of speaking for all of detroit. I, and many of my friends, am dying to see professional soccer in detroit. i stopped caring about football several years ago since the lions stink. furthermore, american football just doesnt compare to soccer. there are more soccer fanatics than you ignorant idiots think. for starters, the arab and latino populations and alot of other immigrant populations around the metro area. but, even beyond that- there are alot of other people who love soccer in detroit. so, just because you are too stupid to grasp the beauty of soccer- don't assume that everyone else is the same as you. watching premier league soccer on fox soccer net is good but i really cant wait until some investors pony up to get detroit a professional OUTDOOR soccer team. | ||
Treelock Member Username: Treelock Post Number: 155 Registered: 03-2005 |
All you haters need to go feel yourselves up and f*#@ off. You don't like soccer, fine. I have strong opinions myself about golf and NASCAR, and a lot of times I find NFL games dreadfully dull and certainly overamped. I remember well the Detroit Express (I once had a sweet cap with the smileyface-car-heading-a-ball logo that I wish I still had), but I don't remember how well they did at the gate. But there is interest here in Detroit, no doubt. Youth leagues and high-school competition are huge, plus we have Hispanic, Albanian, Indian, Asian, Arabic, Indian and other ethic communities that would support a local team if the ticket prices were right. The more the MLS grows, the more the sport grows in the U.S., the better the talent pool and the better the national squad gets. And the World Cup is one of the sports world's premier events, bar none. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 665 Registered: 12-2005 |
How about Cricket? we surely could use that sport, as well as Soccer. Jillions of school kids are forced to play soccer in school. Have been for a generation. They have not created the demand, therefore--NO DEMAND. | ||
Tndetroiter Member Username: Tndetroiter Post Number: 392 Registered: 12-2005 |
Last time I checked, kids aren't forced to play anything in school, if they join the soccer team, they do so at their own volition. Millions of kids playing soccer in the U.S. of their own freewill, therefore a much larger demand than you think. At any rate, soccer is much more entertaining than basketball. | ||
Treelock Member Username: Treelock Post Number: 156 Registered: 03-2005 |
Apparently the game's detractors feel very strongly about keeping it away from those of us who follow it. Perhaps we should enact a law prohibiting the playing of the game and ban the broadcast in the U.S. of games played by the "socialist masses" or in "3rd world" nations. American hubris at its worst. | ||
Dtrain Member Username: Dtrain Post Number: 54 Registered: 11-2003 |
Anybody know if Pele played here with the Cosmos when they played against the Express in the 70's. I'd be willing to bet the seats were close to filled just to see him. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10774 Registered: 10-2003 |
The Detroit Shock during exhibition season would have a bigger fan draw than MLS in this region. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1843 Registered: 07-2004 |
Haha_ that is funny ss and what makes it even funnier is that it is true. Soccer people have been trying to stuff it down our throats for decades _ guess what? We aint buying in case the evidence doesn't tell you. Tn do you really think people here find soccer more entertaining than basketball? If so you are way way way out of touch.The same goes for the popularity of basketball.It is hugely popular and gaining population world wide_ how many european players are in the nba now as opposed to 10 or even 5 yrs ago. And the waiting list for season tickets to Duke N. Carolina and I bet Indiana and Kentucky is likely not years but decades_ and most of those are white people; not to bring race into the discussion. The truth by the evidence is that soccer has not and will likely not catch on here to anymeaningful degree. As for kids playing one reason is that those that are not athletic can play and be inconspicuous. | ||
Tndetroiter Member Username: Tndetroiter Post Number: 393 Registered: 12-2005 |
OK, you have to be very athletic to play soccer. That was one of the dumbest comments I've ever heard. I'm sorry, but as a national trend, white people are just growing more and more disinterested in basketball, and I can see why, it's boring. I quit playing soccer when I was 10 and played hockey till I was 15 and baseball all the way through high school. My two favorite sports are still hockey and baseball, but I can say that I find soccer very entertaining to watch, more so than basketball, golf, or tennis (and I like to get out and play a round of golf whenever I can, btw). This region could easily support an MLS team; I just think soccer's detractors are over represented on this forum. | ||
Andysrc Member Username: Andysrc Post Number: 126 Registered: 07-2005 |
The sport I like is better than the sport you like. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1844 Registered: 07-2004 |
You must read what I write a bit more deliberatley tn; I said one does not have to be athletic to play soccer especially at a young age.Akid can run around for a whole game and not be involved or touch the ball at all.Playing basketball or baseball means at some time in the game each individual must participate directly. You find soccer more entertaining than basketball.Great. The rest of the country seems not to agree with you.I don't know how you possibly think anyone is going to give credibility to your declaration that "white" people are disinterested in basketball.Been to MSU lately for a basketball game? Lots of white people. Notice how many schools have student cheering sections? You see them on t.v. Duke has the Cameron crazies and MSU has the Izzone and UM is even trying to create the Maize rage at Crisler_ the vast majority of these students are white_ your statement has zero credibility. Future city put it best with his very accurate take on soccer. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1845 Registered: 07-2004 |
You must read what I write a bit more deliberatley tn; I said one does not have to be athletic to play soccer especially at a young age.Akid can run around for a whole game and not be involved or touch the ball at all.Playing basketball or baseball means at some time in the game each individual must participate directly. You find soccer more entertaining than basketball.Great. The rest of the country seems not to agree with you.I don't know how you possibly think anyone is going to give credibility to your declaration that "white" people are disinterested in basketball.Been to MSU lately for a basketball game? Lots of white people. Notice how many schools have student cheering sections? You see them on t.v. Duke has the Cameron crazies and MSU has the Izzone and UM is even trying to create the Maize rage at Crisler_ the vast majority of these students are white_ your statement has zero credibility. Future city put it best with his very accurate take on soccer. | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 555 Registered: 06-2005 |
Reetz12 is right about the Detroit Ignition. It is indoor soccer but it will give team owners and league officials a rough estimate of how well a future MLS franchise might do if they do bring a team here. Detroit is already an amazing sports city with a 'Grand Slam'(at least 1 team in each of the 4 major sports league). There are currently 13 cities in this exclusive group. Within that, we are 1 of only 5 that have championships in each sports. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U .S._cities_with_teams_from_fou r_major_sports | ||
Pinewood73 Member Username: Pinewood73 Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2006 |
I don't care what the detractors have to say. Soccer is here to stay and that's that. It will only get more popular as evidenced by the World Cup coverage. It will probably never be as big as football or baseball in this country, but it could easily replace hockey as the #4 team sport. The reason why there is no soccer in Detroit is because there are only so many people that have the kind of money that Mike Illitch and the Fords have. If I had that kind of money we would have a franchise in Detroit. I think it would be a good risk to take. | ||
Mrfrench Member Username: Mrfrench Post Number: 39 Registered: 01-2006 |
they could play on sundays at ford field. nothing else is being played there. | ||
Andylinn Member Username: Andylinn Post Number: 229 Registered: 04-2006 |
was the detroit neon a "pro" team? or was that minor league or something? I just doubt that kind of thing would work... I would actually bet on a second hockey team (or any other major 4 team, for that matter) before we got a soccer team... this is traditionally one of our country's best hockey markets... | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 182 Registered: 02-2006 |
Nobody needs an MLS feanchise. | ||
Andysrc Member Username: Andysrc Post Number: 130 Registered: 07-2005 |
Why do you say that brian? Would you be against someone even trying? | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 183 Registered: 02-2006 |
Soccer sucks. I'm not against it. People can do whatever they want with their $$$. For the last 20 years people have been saying that it will be the next big sport in the U.S. but it has never happened. All professional soccer has done here has done is failed. Not enough scoring. Plain and simple. Too hard for us Americans with super short attention spans to watch. Once you turn about 13 or 14 around here your soccer days are done. I think the Detroit area has a lot going for it as far as pro soccer working here. We have a ton of minoirty groups that love the game. The ownership of the club would need to cater to the Latinos and Arabs by signing player they know. Not white American born players. | ||
Andysrc Member Username: Andysrc Post Number: 131 Registered: 07-2005 |
Believe it or not, there are parts of the country where soccer is popular. I don't think it will be a major sport here in the near future, but a lot of people have the assumption that it isn't popular anywhere. Where I grew up in Ohio, our high school soccer stadium would often sell out for regular season games. And we weren't living in the middle of nowhere. There were plenty of other professional and college sports in the area. As a fan and player of soccer, I get a little defensive when people go on and on about how much it sucks. If you don't like it, fine, but for some reason there are more people who are very vocal about their hatred for soccer than I see with other sports. Anyway, that's my two cents. I love the game. But as I heard someone say, soccer is the sport of the future. And it always will be. | ||
Ewo Member Username: Ewo Post Number: 6 Registered: 05-2006 |
I wonder how many people who hate soccer so much have actually watched a game from start to finish. On the 4th of July I had people over my house who had never seen a soccer game watching the Germany-Italy game in the world cup. After about 20 minutes they were jumping up and down and really getting into the game. After an exciting finish to that game they told me they had no idea what a great sport soccer is. Poeple who are ignorant of something will usually hate it. | ||
Jimg Member Username: Jimg Post Number: 727 Registered: 10-2003 |
Two things are causing a change in attitude among Americans. One is the easy view of Soccer, like the Premier League every weekend on Fox FSC. The second is immigration. More imports will bring with them their favorite sport. As more Americans are exposed to Soccer, more of us will find it fits. It won't fit everybody but as someone who watches the EPL every weekend, (and the Tigs on TV) I think it's a great sport. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1852 Registered: 10-2003 |
Wow. What an intellectually rigorous thread. I love this gem, among others:
LOL that Ohio State is considered "professional" sports. I have no idea what the rest of this paragraph is trying to say. If I didn't know any better, I would swear most of the posters on this thread were just making shit up. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 383 Registered: 05-2005 |
Immigration will not change soccer in America. America is a nation of immigrants, and still, none but the few give two shits about it. You see, like second and third generation Italians, Poles, Germans, Irish, ect, ect, second and third generation Latinos (I take it that is what you are implying) will never buy into soccer in America. Baseball, football, basketball yes, soccer no way. In America, soccer is for kiddies. And every second generation+ American knows it. No sports-minded American would be caught dead at a soccer game, unless their 7-year old was playing. Every five to ten years we hear about how soccer is going to take off, yet here we all sit, watching it go nowhere, and still not giving a shit. Why try to force it? | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1853 Registered: 10-2003 |
Have you ever been to an MLS match? It's actually a lot of fun. Sorry that not everyone can be so xenophobic as you. | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 298 Registered: 08-2006 |
Well I will tell yall right now, I'm not a big fan of sports, I just support the organized national teams that I like, but I likely would nt watching their game or playing the sport, because I'm not atheletic at all. The only sport I can play well and know how to play well is Bowling, although I can play a little pool and I like Nascar, but its a white man sport. Havent seen one black person driving one of those cars. | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 184 Registered: 02-2006 |
Ewo, I have never watched an entire soccer game. I couldn't do it. It just wasn't interesting enough. Come on Danidc. Like Ohio State football isn't professional. I'll bet most of them have better cars than the Lions. Dtown1, Why does a black person have to participate in a sport for it to matter? There aren't any whites in the NBA and lots of people still care about it. Why does every post here have to end up about race? | ||
Treelock Member Username: Treelock Post Number: 158 Registered: 03-2005 |
The fact this thread has legs and is drawing plenty of soccer supporters is probably driving people like Futurecity and Citylover nuts. I'd just like to point out Chicago recently built a new stadium specifically for its MLS team (in the burbs, granted) after playing for years at Soldier Field, and there are MLS franchises in Columbus, Ohio and Kansas City, f'chrissakes. I've been watching some MLS games lately and I think the league is showing a lot of promise. | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 301 Registered: 08-2006 |
Detroit is a majority black city, and the majority rules. Also, if I would ask anyone black to play soccer, they look at you like something's wrong with you. For some reason, everthing in this city is based on segregation. Hey, baseball is filled with a lot of Central and Southern Americans (Mexico/Mexicans). A lot of the Detroit Public Schools dont even offer Soccer as a sport option, because they know thay're isnt a large demand for it. Now, I think a MLT or MLVB team would work, it would have a much better turn out than Soccer. Basically, I dont care about the NBA, but I know most Detroiters of any race can play competitive basketball or football. Some can play Baseball and Hockey. A lot of people watch hockey though becuase of the roughness, same with football. Don't know why. It teaches responsibility and toughness, guess thats one end of it. | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 185 Registered: 02-2006 |
but the area is pretty diverse. the hopes of soccer in the area are the the arab and mexican immogrants. | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 232 Registered: 03-2006 |
since when is the metro professional sports market cateering to the public school inner city population? | ||
Tndetroiter Member Username: Tndetroiter Post Number: 410 Registered: 12-2005 |
Ap hits the nail on the head. I'd say that the blacks that actually live in Detroit make up less than 10% of any of the 4 pro teams' ticket sales. | ||
Dtwphoenix Member Username: Dtwphoenix Post Number: 52 Registered: 12-2004 |
I'm reminded of this thread: https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/76017/73281.html Who cares if DetroitYES! readers aren't soccer fans. If a business case can be made for an MLS team, it will happen. The problem would be having an appropriate stadium to play their games. Since a new MLS specific stadium would not be publicly funded, I don't see it happening downtown. Maybe the northern of western suburbs would work. And conveniently enough, there are stadiums in each area that could work. Silverdome. With the mothballing of the upperdeck, it seats 50K with 90 suites. Not that it has yet proven to be successful here in Phoenix, but maybe there is still a chance that the Silverdome could be developed into something similar to the Westgate City Center, a development that includes the AZ Cardinals and PHX Coyotes stadiums. http://www.westgateaz.com/ http://www.westgateaz.com/asse ts/2010Plan.pdf http://www.post-gazette.com/pg /06284/729084-28.stm Maybe there's a market for a development containing a sports stadium, soccer fields, movie megaplex, restaurants, shops, offices at that location. Or there's EMU stadium on the west side. Spend 20M enhancing the suites, field and facility, and you'll have an excellent MLS facility seating 30K with 30 suites. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1848 Registered: 07-2004 |
EMU as in Eastern Mich? I don't think so they have a hard enough time as it is and besides it is strictly a college stadium. To who ever thinks I am tortured by the legs of this thread think again.I certainly don't put any credence in a thread where 50 or so people have posted over several days.That tells us nothing. You will notice I have not criticized soccer.I only say it has not caught on the way advocates hoped it would.I think the evidence i.e. the fact that soccer has not caught onshows that. I also refuted tndetroiters claim that " white"America is rejecting basketball which of course is an absurd declaration. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1854 Registered: 10-2003 |
Hmmm. Caught on with whom? You? Obviously, SOMEONE is showing up for these MLS games. For instance, whenever Team USA plays a game at RFK Stadium, it sells out. Same thing when DC United played Scottish Premier League power Celtic this summer (granted, Scottish soccer isn't so hot), or Chelsea FC last summer. Hell, United sold out a match in Seattle against Real Madrid, even though both teams were from thousands of miles away. Sheesh. | ||
Jeffery47 Member Username: Jeffery47 Post Number: 2 Registered: 09-2006 |
MSL is popular in some cities because of the large foreign population, like NYC or DC. Detroit has some immigrants, but they too are going where the jobs are. Soccer is OK as game, it's not stupid or the best ever. It's popular around the world because you don't need much to play - a ball, feet, and a pair of trees or something some distance apart. All other sports require equipment of some type. I think an MSL franchise would fail because all the soccer players would be too busy playing to go to watch others play. Besides, Detroit already had the Express. MSL stands as much chance as coming to Detroit as the CFL. | ||
Swingline Member Username: Swingline Post Number: 606 Registered: 11-2003 |
The soccer-haters sure can induce a lot of chuckling. A lot of personal dislike seems to have displaced any understanding of the market or the game itself. Have any of the haters ever attended a game played at the professional level? Or even at the NCAA or top high school level? Lots of people remain interested in the sport. The "just for kiddies" claims are ignorant. The current business model for successful MLS franchises does not resemble any of the other major sports. Teams don't have to draw 70,000 or massive TV audiences. Maybe in the future, but not now. I believe that MLS could succeed here if it started out with the right facility in the right place. We don't have the necessary facility right now. An ownership group would need to come up with big money to build a new facility or convert an existing one. This is unlikely to happen and will likely keep the MLS from placing a franchise here. The Wayne State football stadium is the right size and has a good central location. The soccer community in SE Mich is big enough to support a team. Another professional sports franchise locating in the city would help boost the current momentum in urban living as well. I would like to see it happen. I know it's a longshot though. | ||
Tndetroiter Member Username: Tndetroiter Post Number: 412 Registered: 12-2005 |
The interest in basketball in White America is on the decline. That equals rejection. | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 186 Registered: 02-2006 |
I doubt that if you have played professionally, in college, or in high school you would be a soccer hater. For the record. Kids were always playing soccer when I was growing up and I just never liked it. If I was forced to play I always just wanted to play goalie. I'll admit I wasn't too good at it but I'm not good at basketball either and I like to watch and play it. I just don't think MLS soccer will work here. It may work for a year or two but not long term. It's not like the WNBA would be around if it wasn't for the NBA pouring money in to it. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1849 Registered: 07-2004 |
You keep stating that- wheres your evidence? NBA basketball is on the top ten of desired tickets on ebay; the Pistons are # 10 on that list. I have already posted that season tickets to Duke and N.Carolina and Kentucky and probably Indiana basketball are legacy items because of the demand_ and that those are mostly white fans_ so again where is your evidence? The NCAA won't hold the tournament(final 4) in arenas less than 30,000....those are motly white fans......... where is your evidence for such an uninformed, ignorant claim? Prove me wrong with something other then just a value judgment_ I don't think you can. |
