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Eric
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Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 12:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Execellent news, probably one best Kwame has ever done.

Detroit extends gas station ban to curb number of vacant sites

Illegal dumping and environmental concerns cited; critics say move thwarts new business.

Christine MacDonald / The Detroit News


DETROIT -- Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick announced Thursday he has extended his ban on gas stations opening in new locations in the city for another two years, in hopes of reducing the number of abandoned gas stations.

The measure doesn't prevent new gas stations from opening on closed sites, officials said.

Kilpatrick stopped accepting applications for new gas stations in September 2004 with an executive order; he has extended the ban until September 2008.

City officials said they were concerned about the environmental impact of neglected underground storage tanks and said that abandoned sites were attractive to illegal dumpers.
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.d ll/article?AID=/20060929/METRO /609290317/1003
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 12:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have noticed that several gas station sites are now being revamped into new stations (Warren and Trumbull or Mack and Gratiot, for instance). I have to admit, it's a good idea. Otherwise, they'll brownfield the whole city.

Unfortunately, lots of old gas station sites were so tiny they'll never be re-used, such as Canfield and Cass or Caniff and Buffalo, for example.
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Cambrian
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Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 2:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Smart move! Encourage them to develop a closed existing gas station rather than creating a new one. I just read in my local rag that Hazel Park put a ban on any more new dollar stores, there's all ready five in HP, which is not all that big to begin with.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 10:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dollar stores go where they can make money. Hazeltucky loves this retail. Without them, how is jjaba going to get his discount shampoo!

Tis too far to drive to Ypsitucky or Taylortucky.

jjaba, LOL.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 10:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think this is one of the most meaningful things that has happened to the neighborhood commercial strips in years. It's things like these that are really going to have meaningful impacts on neighborhoods. Perhaps, they could do this with other types of business in the city.
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Rhymeswithrawk
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Posted on Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 12:17 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!
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Mayor_sekou
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Posted on Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 2:32 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That and the liquor store ban are some of the better moves by the Kilpatrick administration that required little effort or controversy so kudos to the current mayor.
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Bindetroit
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Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 7:50 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

While the moratorium may result in some vacant sites being redeveloped, the Kwamester continues to put in effect policies that hurt ther Arab-American business community. And of course he does so without first consulting with their trade groups or business leaders. The signage crackdown, the liquor store sweeps, and now this. Not very politic of him to fertilize the seeds of dissention he's already sowed.
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Danny
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Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 8:22 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks like KING KWAME doen't want ant more Arabs running the gas station show in his Ghetto Kingdom.
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Swingline
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Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 11:24 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Agreed. The ban is a good one.
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Ericdfan
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Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 11:38 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cant forget redneck redford Jjaba!
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Michael
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Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 11:55 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

I have noticed that several gas station sites are now being revamped into new stations (Warren and Trumbull or Mack and Gratiot, for instance).




The Warren and Trumbull gas station was never vacant, the owner closed it to totally remodel the place.
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 12:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael: True, the Trumbull/Warren station is probably not the best example.

Bindetroit: You make money whether you rehab a gas station or build new. The rehab could conceivably involve more money, as you have to prep with demo work.
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Dougw
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Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 1:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

While the moratorium may result in some vacant sites being redeveloped, the Kwamester continues to put in effect policies that hurt ther Arab-American business community.



Maybe true, and that's an interesting aspect to this.

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Not very politic of him to fertilize the seeds of dissention he's already sowed.



I'm not sure about this, though... I'd guess that alienating the Arab-American business community would have very little impact on him politically. In any case, this particular policy seems like a good one.
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Eric
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Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 8:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

While the moratorium may result in some vacant sites being redeveloped, the Kwamester continues to put in effect policies that hurt ther Arab-American business community




The fact is making them redevelop the sites is far more beneficial to city than what it may in new stations because Kwame pissed some in the Arab business community. As Detroitnerd noted they'd brownfield the entire city if we let them.


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The signage crackdown, the liquor store sweeps, and now this. Not very politic of him to fertilize the seeds of dissention he's already sowed.




Yeah, God forbid we have standards in the city. As far as I'm concerned, if they don't like the polices, they can take business elsewhere. Last time I checked we don't shortage liquor stores in the city.
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Iheartthed
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Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 8:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Did he put a moratorium on fast food places too?
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 9:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is quite a reach to try and throw ethnicity into this. It's a conspiracy theory, at best.
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Focusonthed
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Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 10:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bindetroit, who ever said Arab Americans could only own liquor stores or gas stations?
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Bvos
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Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 10:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think the gas station at Gratiot and Mack is a great example of how the ban is working well. The place sat vacant for years and years. The problem with these sites is that they're contaminated or have the risk of contamination that is too expensive to clean for residential and/or recreation use. This is an effective way to correct a market failure in the gas station market as well as the general commercial economy in Detroit.

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