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The data is from the final FBI Crime Stats on a /100,000 residents basis. Cities of 20,000 residents or more are included so it may skew negative for the smaller cities:

Top 50 listed and Detroit if it is not in the top 50

Murder: Detroit coming in at lucky #13.

Rate City
67.10 Compton
57.96 Gary
46.81 Irvington
46.50 East Palo Alto
44.42 Inkster
44.34 Birmingham
43.73 Youngstown
43.02 Richmond
41.96 Baltimore
41.19 Camden
40.55 Chester
40.06 Flint3
39.29 Detroit3
38.84 Richmond
38.75 West Memphis
38.21 East Chicago
37.86 St. Louis
36.92 Lumberton
36.23 Trenton
36.08 Riviera Beach
35.42 Washington
34.51 Newark
32.40 York
31.19 Plainfield
29.67 Pine Bluff
29.58 Liberal
29.12 Lynwood
29.04 San Bernardino
28.79 Prichard
28.77 Saginaw
28.13 Kansas City
28.12 Spartanburg
27.20 Reading
27.08 Petersburg
25.76 Fort Pierce
25.60 Philadelphia
25.43 Kansas City
25.15 Sanford
25.14 Harrisburg
25.14 Cincinnati
24.91 Rochester
24.45 Norfolk
24.03 Fort Myers
23.95 El Dorado
23.75 Cleveland
23.75 Kokomo
23.21 Oakland
23.13 Vicksburg
23.12 Shelby
22.86 Pico Rivera

Rape - Detroit coming in at lucky #210:

Rate City
233.80 Lima
219.45 Bremerton
209.67 Myrtle Beach
208.59 Walla Walla
204.34 Vicksburg
203.59 Paris
197.89 South Salt Lake
173.92 Mount Morris Township
153.56 Farmington7
152.51 Fairbanks
149.23 Galveston
145.96 Pascagoula
143.74 Austin
143.35 Rochester
142.55 Muskegon
137.65 Hamilton
136.55 Delaware
133.67 Jackson
132.82 Holland
126.92 Faribault
121.47 Gadsden
121.24 Pontiac
120.28 Fairborn
119.15 Las Cruces
118.23 Mankato
118.21 Adrian
114.96 Fort Smith
114.76 Sanford
114.73 Greenville
112.72 West Memphis
110.00 Springfield
109.57 Muncie
108.96 Harrisburg
108.19 Atlantic City
108.06 Marshall
106.84 Minneapolis
106.61 Key West
105.96 Pottstown
105.39 Sioux Falls3
105.24 Muscatine
104.43 Portsmouth
104.17 Cleveland
103.64 Lakewood
102.74 Birmingham
102.39 New London
102.37 Council Bluffs
100.87 Springdale
100.25 Midvale
100.23 Cincinnati
100.15 Rosenberg
65.38 Detroit3

Robbery - Detroit coming in at #12:

Rate City
1213.64 Irvington
1005.76 Harrisburg
940.79 Trenton
919.62 Atlantic City
876.13 Camden
856.92 St. Louis
845.06 Homestead
815.67 Cleveland
809.63 Bessemer
797.61 East Orange
760.62 Lake Worth
756.99 Detroit3
749.37 Myrtle Beach
741.27 Hamtramck
737.85 Cincinnati
721.67 Riviera Beach
686.73 Minneapolis
685.30 Jersey City
683.61 Philadelphia
666.97 Oakland
664.32 Atlanta
659.29 Orange
657.45 Memphis
642.13 Florence
636.12 Washington
622.06 Greenbelt
619.07 Chester
617.52 Anniston
612.48 Richmond
609.89 Baltimore
609.20 Birmingham
608.56 Newburgh
607.61 North Charleston
607.28 Salisbury
603.22 York
590.73 Lumberton
588.49 Buffalo
585.63 Wilmington
572.54 Orlando
571.22 Fort Myers
565.22 Miami Beach
564.29 North Miami
563.12 Huntington Park
559.37 Dallas
555.57 Chicago
553.22 Hartford
548.80 Bridgeton
543.96 Houston
541.56 West Palm Beach
538.90 Charlotte-Mecklenburg

Aggravated Assault - Detroit coming in at #7:

Rate City
2255.77 Saginaw
1885.62 Bossier City
1834.92 Alexandria
1798.85 East Chicago
1773.40 Chester
1660.07 Flint3
1495.90 Detroit3
1468.24 Greenwood
1430.90 St. Louis
1364.38 Anniston
1353.35 Texarkana
1346.90 Pontiac
1288.24 Spartanburg
1275.25 Fort Pierce
1264.98 Miami Gardens
1229.39 West Memphis
1228.94 Homestead
1224.61 Little Rock
1195.58 Salisbury
1189.17 Compton
1182.17 Springfield
1178.81 Sumter
1178.73 Riviera Beach
1164.70 McKeesport
1146.04 Orlando
1133.81 Springfield
1127.65 Fort Myers
1123.44 Memphis
1120.75 Camden
1117.73 St. Petersburg
1100.45 Texarkana
1095.62 Nashville
1077.37 Baltimore
1060.64 Florence
1029.89 Miami
1029.76 Irvington
1017.23 Bessemer
1008.10 Tampa
1008.01 North Charleston
1007.95 Daytona Beach
1007.87 Hot Springs
1002.52 Davenport
1001.60 Tarpon Springs
990.32 Pompano Beach
989.63 Columbia
986.70 Hobbs
986.57 Rock Hill
981.77 Council Bluffs
976.41 Monroe
974.57 Myrtle Beach

Burglary - Detroit coming in at #96:

Rate City
4652.02 Lumberton
3745.39 Casa Grande
3674.09 West Memphis
3629.99 Anniston
3304.21 Myrtle Beach
3124.35 Bessemer
3116.77 Pine Bluff
2878.83 Springfield
2769.90 Portsmouth
2724.97 El Dorado
2702.98 Goodyear
2700.21 Pascagoula
2679.22 Riviera Beach
2664.71 Santa Fe
2532.66 Lake Worth
2474.29 Statesville
2424.52 Lake Charles
2416.49 Petersburg
2408.88 Rocky Mount
2400.12 Spartanburg
2377.41 Hot Springs
2364.60 Salisbury
2358.37 Greenville
2353.20 Jonesboro
2333.47 Memphis
2327.38 Toledo
2257.70 Kinston
2246.50 Fort Pierce
2209.73 Youngstown
2198.41 Flint3
2176.23 Saginaw
2174.77 Albany
2155.27 Greenville
2149.89 Shelby
2144.92 Huntington
2132.15 Lima
2123.69 Daytona Beach
2102.99 Birmingham
2101.73 Killeen
2086.84 High Point
2084.65 St. Louis
2077.74 Macon
2062.58 Winston-Salem
2058.59 Alexandria
2053.25 Longview
2046.22 Little Rock
2032.97 Jackson
2014.74 Homestead
2013.56 Dayton
2010.23 Waco
1698.69 Detroit3

Larcent/theft - Detroit coming in at #1077:

Rate City
14886.43 Myrtle Beach
9437.16 Atlantic City
8903.31 Hot Springs
8745.86 Douglasville
8399.47 Chillicothe
8255.01 Portsmouth
8248.67 Florence
8210.26 Lumberton
8082.49 Bessemer
7839.95 Anniston
7536.55 Paris
7325.61 Spartanburg
7249.55 Kinston
7213.04 Mount Vernon
7178.46 Hobbs
7011.47 South Salt Lake
6930.79 Clarksville
6852.13 Murray
6844.46 Monroe
6735.77 Doral
6702.85 Salisbury
6664.97 Joplin
6626.48 North Little Rock
6622.73 Springfield
6618.73 Arnold
6614.36 St. Louis
6606.78 Renton
6542.78 Edinburg
6496.78 Kingman
6461.59 Terre Haute
6359.80 Puyallup
6328.08 Springfield
6321.66 Gastonia
6287.27 Salt Lake City
6274.20 Macon
6234.98 Miami Beach
6187.90 Greenwood
6157.07 Bellingham
6138.66 Little Rock
6124.22 Yakima
6083.69 LaGrange
6036.05 Flagstaff
5987.60 Lynnwood
5984.79 Chattanooga
5978.58 Sedalia
5927.11 Topeka
5922.89 Gadsden
5894.24 Piqua
5892.34 North Charleston
5853.64 La Porte
1929.45 Detroit3

Auto Theft - Detroit coming in at #3:

Rate City
2893.21 Hamtramck
2698.57 SeaTac
2362.55 Detroit3
2354.30 St. Louis
2326.28 Richmond
2250.77 Oakland
2140.61 Everett
2051.40 San Pablo
2024.46 Newark
2001.50 Kansas City
1938.99 Burien
1907.66 Federal Way
1906.16 Auburn
1805.35 Orange
1790.21 Tacoma
1781.57 Kent
1770.53 Myrtle Beach
1738.55 Irvington
1732.02 Riviera Beach
1730.00 Renton
1712.96 National City
1688.06 Ceres
1673.33 Phoenix
1653.08 Huntington Park
1651.03 Seattle
1598.93 Turlock
1592.08 South Salt Lake
1589.20 San Bernardino
1556.53 Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department
1535.28 Lynnwood
1513.51 Sacramento
1502.87 Springfield
1501.92 North Las Vegas
1495.44 Puyallup
1486.98 Hartford
1481.85 Cleveland
1448.05 Modesto
1438.12 Lynwood
1433.10 East Orange
1429.70 Des Moines
1421.30 Denver3
1402.67 Hayward
1398.42 Stockton
1391.04 El Cerrito
1387.35 Tempe
1378.75 Dayton
1370.82 Delano
1356.35 Washington
1340.85 Paramount
1339.80 Eureka


I will also do for only over 50K and 100K later.

Let me know if you have any questions or want to see it set up in a different way. This was slapped together in 5 miniutes so let me know if something looks fishy since it may have been sorted wrong
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hamtramck is #1 for auto theft?! wow...
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Jt1
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Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 3:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cities 50K or larger (only top 20 listed:

Murder:

Rate City
67.10 Compton
57.96 Gary
46.81 Irvington
44.34 Birmingham
43.73 Youngstown
43.02 Richmond
41.96 Baltimore
41.19 Camden
40.06 Flint3
39.29 Detroit3
38.84 Richmond
37.86 St. Louis
36.23 Trenton
35.42 Washington
34.51 Newark
29.67 Pine Bluff
29.12 Lynwood
29.04 San Bernardino
28.77 Saginaw
28.13 Kansas City


Rape:

Rate City
149.23 Galveston
137.65 Hamilton
121.24 Pontiac
119.15 Las Cruces
114.96 Fort Smith
110.00 Springfield
109.57 Muncie
106.84 Minneapolis
105.39 Sioux Falls3
104.17 Cleveland
103.64 Lakewood
102.74 Birmingham
102.37 Council Bluffs
100.87 Springdale
100.23 Cincinnati
99.92 North Little Rock
98.67 Daytona Beach
98.26 Lansing
96.74 Battle Creek
96.00 North Charleston
65.38 Detroit3 (number 93)

Robbery:

Rate City
1213.64 Irvington
940.79 Trenton
876.13 Camden
856.92 St. Louis
815.67 Cleveland
797.61 East Orange
756.99 Detroit3
737.85 Cincinnati
686.73 Minneapolis
685.30 Jersey City
683.61 Philadelphia
666.97 Oakland
664.32 Atlanta
657.45 Memphis
636.12 Washington
612.48 Richmond
609.89 Baltimore
609.20 Birmingham
607.61 North Charleston
588.49 Buffalo

Aggravated Assault:

Rate City
2255.77 Saginaw
1885.62 Bossier City
1660.07 Flint3
1495.90 Detroit3
1430.90 St. Louis
1346.90 Pontiac
1264.98 Miami Gardens
1224.61 Little Rock
1189.17 Compton
1182.17 Springfield
1146.04 Orlando
1133.81 Springfield
1127.65 Fort Myers
1123.44 Memphis
1120.75 Camden
1117.73 St. Petersburg
1095.62 Nashville
1077.37 Baltimore
1029.89 Miami
1029.76 Irvington

Burglary:

Rate City
3116.77 Pine Bluff
2878.83 Springfield
2664.71 Santa Fe
2424.52 Lake Charles
2408.88 Rocky Mount
2353.20 Jonesboro
2333.47 Memphis
2327.38 Toledo
2209.73 Youngstown
2198.41 Flint3
2176.23 Saginaw
2174.77 Albany
2155.27 Greenville
2123.69 Daytona Beach
2102.99 Birmingham
2101.73 Killeen
2086.84 High Point
2084.65 St. Louis
2077.74 Macon
2062.58 Winston-Salem
1698.69 Detroit3 (number 50)

Larceny Theft:

Rate City
5056.18 Pine Bluff
6328.08 Springfield
2869.24 Santa Fe
2365.31 Lake Charles
5697.53 Rocky Mount
3628.34 Jonesboro
4805.98 Memphis
4369.29 Toledo
2850.27 Youngstown
2914.52 Flint3
1604.25 Saginaw
3775.22 Albany
3747.73 Greenville
4095.57 Daytona Beach
5099.52 Birmingham
3698.07 Killeen
3717.12 High Point
6614.36 St. Louis
6274.20 Macon
3670.11 Winston-Salem
1929.45 Detroit3 (number 50)

Car Theft:

Rate City
2362.55 Detroit3
2354.30 St. Louis
2326.28 Richmond
2250.77 Oakland
2140.61 Everett
2024.46 Newark
2001.50 Kansas City
1907.66 Federal Way
1790.21 Tacoma
1781.57 Kent
1738.55 Irvington
1730.00 Renton
1712.96 National City
1673.33 Phoenix
1653.08 Huntington Park
1651.03 Seattle
1598.93 Turlock
1589.20 San Bernardino
1556.53 Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department
1513.51 Sacramento
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Finally only cities (some of the stats list metro region only and I cut these out since we are looking at cities) over 750K. I figure this gives an idea of where Detroit stands with other very large cities:

Murder:

Rate City
39.29 Detroit3
25.60 Philadelphia
16.42 Dallas
16.33 Houston
15.59 Chicago
15.00 Phoenix
13.97 Columbus
13.49 Indianapolis
12.81 San Francisco
12.63 Los Angeles3
11.44 Jacksonville
11.31 Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department
6.84 San Antonio
6.64 New York
4.01 San Diego
2.86 San Jose
1.65 Honolulu

Rape:

Rate City
70.93 Columbus
69.52 Philadelphia
65.85 Indianapolis
65.38 Detroit3
48.06 Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department
47.19 San Antonio
45.68 Dallas
42.63 Houston
36.35 Phoenix
29.56 San Diego
28.88 San Jose
28.55 Los Angeles3
25.76 Honolulu
23.77 Jacksonville
22.96 San Francisco
17.40 New York
0.00 Chicago

As you can see Chicago does not report rape stats. I believe they track them differently than the feds.

Robbery:

Rate City
756.99 Detroit3
683.61 Philadelphia
559.37 Dallas
555.57 Chicago
543.96 Houston
517.16 Columbus
410.85 San Francisco
409.09 Indianapolis
356.41 Los Angeles3
304.62 New York
288.96 Phoenix
283.30 Jacksonville
272.61 Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department
171.42 San Antonio
146.37 San Diego
97.09 San Jose
92.57 Honolulu

Aggravated Assault:

Rate City
1495.90 Detroit3
688.36 Philadelphia
632.61 Dallas
624.44 Chicago
569.62 Houston
511.41 Jacksonville
504.68 Indianapolis
423.03 Los Angeles3
411.75 San Antonio
411.56 Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department
388.80 Phoenix
352.26 San Francisco
344.39 New York
339.11 San Diego
254.69 San Jose
234.69 Columbus
162.90 Honolulu

Burglary:

Rate City
1999.65 Columbus
1817.68 Dallas
1698.69 Detroit3
1442.95 Indianapolis
1346.27 Houston
1143.18 San Antonio
1131.46 Jacksonville
1121.01 Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department
1108.58 Phoenix
880.96 Chicago
828.65 San Francisco
744.10 Philadelphia
683.42 Honolulu
586.57 San Diego
583.61 Los Angeles3
444.69 San Jose
285.99 New York

Larceny-Theft:

Rate City
4826.50 San Antonio
4343.80 Columbus
4252.20 Dallas
3719.92 Jacksonville
3691.22 Indianapolis
3582.97 Phoenix
3542.79 Houston
3233.39 Honolulu
2901.50 Chicago
2654.53 San Francisco
2582.57 Philadelphia
2160.81 Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department
1934.76 San Diego
1929.45 Detroit3
1704.23 Los Angeles3
1489.93 New York
1468.82 San Jose

Auto Theft:

Rate City
2362.55 Detroit3
1673.33 Phoenix
1556.53 Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department
1160.45 Dallas
1123.57 Indianapolis
1111.35 San Diego
1091.07 San Francisco
1069.79 Columbus
997.59 Houston
782.89 Chicago
775.33 Philadelphia
748.25 Honolulu
741.94 Los Angeles3
620.68 Jacksonville
604.81 San Jose
475.34 San Antonio
226.49 New York
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Jt1
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quote:

hamtramck is #1 for auto theft?! wow...




counting all cities listed the big winner is Vernon, CA with a rate of 246,808.5 auto thefts per 100K residents. Of course the city only has 94 residents and had 232 motor thefts in 2005.

(Message edited by jt1 on September 28, 2006)
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alot of angry people in Saginaw i take it?

Aggravated Assault - Detroit coming in at #7:

Rate City
2255.77 Saginaw
1885.62 Bossier City
1834.92 Alexandria
1798.85 East Chicago
1773.40 Chester
1660.07 Flint3
1495.90 Detroit3
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I am surprised to see Holland, Adrian and Marshall on the top 50 rape list.
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quote:

counting all cities listed the big winner is Vernon, CA with a rate of 246,808.5 auto thefts per 100K residents. Of course the city only has 94 residents and had 232 motor thefts in 2005.



Damn, that is one tough little burgh.
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Jt1
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quote:

I am surprised to see Holland, Adrian and Marshall on the top 50 rape list.




Adrian is not that big If I recall and their is a University there. May skew the data up. There were 26 rapes but only 22,000 residents listed.

I am guessing smaller cities with college campuses aren't a fair comparison since so many college kids are never counted as residents.
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Also I believe that it is MArshall Texas, not Marshall michigan glancing at the numbers on the list.
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I wasn't sure.
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Truly a heartbreaker to see Michigan cities in every one of the top 20, 3-4 times on some lists.

Detroit is on every list except Larceny where it is #50.
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quote:

Of course the city only has 94 residents and had 232 motor thefts in 2005.


So basically all the cars in Vernon, CA were stolen. Maybe they'll implement light rail mass transit now that no one has a car.

I've got a hypothesis on why Detroit's Larceny-Theft number is so low, relatively speaking. People aren't reporting the thefts since they know 911 won't come "Code 3" for a stolen lawn mower or bike. They also don't have insurance (most renters) or don't want to raise a red flag with the insurance company if they're homeowners. Especially since a lot of people have high-deductible policies that would barely compensate them, if at all. My gut tells me there's a ton of unreported larceny.
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Probably true.
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Truly a heartbreaker to see Michigan cities in every one of the top 20, 3-4 times on some lists.




It is. I am Surprised Benton Harbor didn't make ANY of the lists.

(Message edited by HYSTERIA on September 28, 2006)
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Jt1, does the FBI now list METRO area crime rates too? if so that would be most illuminating. I've looked for these rates for quite a while without success.
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Seems like Benton Harbor gets a bad rap based upon stats:

10,860 Population
0 - Murder
13 - Rape
10 - Robbery
215 - Agg Assualt
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It is not my gut telling me that there is a lot of unreported larceny. It is years of experience. Most people in Detroit don't bother reporting larcenies. In the suburb where I work, people will report it if someone takes a garden gnome off their porch. People in my old neighborhood in the city would get stereos, bicycles, city trash cans, and garden gnomes taken on a weekly basis. Someone always had something missing from somewhere. But, there's no point reporting something when you know nothing whatsoever will be done.

Heck, I had over $5000 worth of stuff taken when my house was burglarized, one of the neighbors knew who was responsible, and nothing was ever done. They sent an evidence tech out a month after the crime to dust for fingerprints on a bedroom window (*eyeroll*).

People won't expend effort for no result. Just as the rape results are skewed for college towns, larceny reports for large cities are going to be skewed as well.
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quote:

Jt1, does the FBI now list METRO area crime rates too? if so that would be most illuminating. I've looked for these rates for quite a while without success.




I think it is only for metro areas that report them that way. May have to do with the policing or who maintains the data. On the list I have the only metro areas that are listed (as opposed to individual cities are):

Savannah-Chatham Metropolitan4
Louisville Metro3
JASCO Metropolitan
Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department

The fbi may have metro data but I never really checked. You can check around at 222.fbi.gov under reports and publications.
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[/quote] FJW718
alot of angry people in Saginaw i take it?

Aggravated Assault - Detroit coming in at #7:

Rate City
2255.77 Saginaw


[/quote]
The difference between Saginaw and Flint (and some parts of Detroit) for example is that in summer Flint is alive in the fringe and "bad" neighborhoods. People are everywhere up and down the street, on porches, in yards playing games, BBQing, etc. Saginaw is so dead it is spooky. It's a very edgy town for a lot of reasons.

Saginaw suffered from racism and segregation in the 60s and 70s and blacks moving to predominantly white areas. The west side was always very nice until the late 80s and now parts of it are feeling stress as well. The upper and straight middle class whites who grew up in the city are now headed for the township. Businesses that were almost landmarks have closed or moved with them and the purge has been extreme even over the past twenty years. I think Saginaw has now hit bottom but it has hit it hard.

Saginaw also has seen a lot of GM jobs leave and if you think Detroit or Flint was dependant on the auto industry, Saginaw puts that mindset to shame. A city of about 90,000 pretty much dedicated to the auto industry and unwilling to change its ways will suffer. Saginaw is a very tense city across racial lines, job lines, and due to a collapse in economics that is striking.

Additionally Saginaw serves as a drug hub for all points north and they have a lot of gang problems because of it. In Flint and Detroit I think the drug trade is run more by crews than by gangs. "Crews" can do business while gangs have trouble with territory and protecting their right to each and every customer. Hard to say really. I spoke with some prominent citizens in Saginaw about gangs and drugs and they tend to point the finger at Detroit but it’s hard to say how these supply lines work. Their police force is woefully undermanned and the State Police actually supported the city for a long time (may still) because of the lack of funds at city hall so they can’t handle the crime problems.

They have a lot of politics that involve west side vs east side and black vs. white and they are on display at every city council meeting. There are some good people in Saginaw but there is too much infighting on the streets and behind closed doors for the reasons I’ve already mentioned, and probably many more I’ll never understand.

The only two cities I've ever been to that I felt this tension were Gary and Youngstown. They are like islands of culture in an otherwise normal world. Detroit even at its worst still feels as though there is something to grab on to, Saginaw does not.

My Mom grew up there and I have family in the city. It is night and day from what it was like even as recent as 1990.

PS: How do you use the quote function on this site?
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Jt1
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PS: How do you use the quote function on this site?




On the left is formatting tips. It has the format there. It is backslash then the word quote with the quote inside of {}
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jt1, yeah that's what I thought, thanks tho. For years now, when the mood strikes, I've tried to determine and compare various metro area crime rates. (It comes from a heated argument I had years ago about DET's high rates.) It seems to be impossible to garner this info. Even finding COUNTY crime rates and piecing things together that way is hard to do. Oh well ...
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jt1, yeah that's what I thought, thanks tho. For years now, when the mood strikes, I've tried to determine and compare various metro area crime rates. (It comes from a heated argument I had years ago about DET's high rates.) It seems to be impossible to garner this info. Even finding COUNTY crime rates and piecing things together that way is hard to do. Oh well ...




All of the data you seek is available on the Michigan State Police Website. They do not have the 2005 stats though, the latest are for 2004:

http://www.michigan.gov/docume nts/Ce-off04_140087_7.pdf

You can find county totals, as well as totals for all major crimes in each city in that county. Just find the census info on your own and you can determine murder rates per capita, etc.
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wf, thanks for the link. I found something similar before re MI and some other metro areas out of state. As I said piecing together this info is hard to do esp when you consider other out of state metro areas. (you have to know your geography and weight the info you collect by population etc.)

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