  Vas Member Username: Vas Post Number: 625 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.209.158.7 |
In light of George's unhappy incident at Capitol Park where he and another friend, looking like tourists, were given a hand signal of a gun and a yell of a gun 'boom,' coupled with last night's shooting there, I think its safe to remind everyone, 'stay out of Capitol Park.' Last night, a gentleman with three bullet holes in him asked me for an abulance. From what I heard it was a drug deal gone bad at Capitol Park. Even though it took 20min for an ambulance, he survived (gun must have been a .28 or something).........but in case you didn't know already....please friends if you're in the CBD avoid Capitol Park. | ||
Adamjab19 Member Username: Adamjab19 Post Number: 716 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 24.192.148.148 |
Absolutely! Truer words have never been spoken! | ||
Steelworker Member Username: Steelworker Post Number: 728 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 67.38.21.236 |
Yeah sad to say but it could be a beautifull section of downtown | ||
Bobj Member Username: Bobj Post Number: 1122 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.221.183.120 |
Some day it will return, now it is pretty scary at night. | ||
River_rat Member Username: River_rat Post Number: 221 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.166.44.44 |
Forget Capitol Park! Stay out of Detroit. Until we make the streets safe, we will continue to see the decline of this city. The population projections have Detroit below 800,000 in early 2008. Bad politicians, bad policing, bad criminal 'justice' system all will continue to kill our young people and our city. | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1479 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104 |
Here we go again. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 771 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.246.10.173 |
Scary at night? sheeeeeit scary during the day time as well. I have a few pics from my trip into Capitol Park. I'll post some more... http://vizion.smugmug.com/gall ery/1431591 | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 757 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.246.55.105 |
It is best to tread carefully around that area, at any time of day. It seems to be a haven for some weirdos, even early in the day. I couldn't even tell you what's the root problem with the park (Besides the fact that lots of hobos take the bus) | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 918 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
Why exactly is Capitol Park so bad these days? I'm not arguing the facts...just the reason. Is it because of the bus terminals there? Maybe Penske can pay for extra security too ;P | ||
River_rat Member Username: River_rat Post Number: 222 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.166.44.44 |
Machoken says, "Here we go again." Why does it have to be that way? Today is primary election day in much of the country and we will see the same old political faces making the same promises as always, pandering to the special interest groups, giving us platitudes, etc. Vote for change | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 460 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.107.47.65 |
We can't go pay our respects to Gov. Mason? http://detroit1701.org/MasonSt atue.htm | ||
Eric_c Member Username: Eric_c Post Number: 838 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.76.202.10 |
The ONLY truly disturbing thing I've ever seen in the CBD (purse snatcher; caught by a passerby in less than a block) was in Capitol Park back around '93ish. Too much rif-raf, not enough business there. Removal of the bus terminal and restoration of the Book-Cadillac will only improve the area. | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 170 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 35.13.62.161 |
and the lafayette...it is poised for significant growth | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1480 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104 |
I once heard that "gays keep the riff-raff out of Ferndale." Itsjeff, Crew, Supergay: Let's do something!! | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 772 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.246.10.173 |
you have a place for the homeless the sleep and then its is surrounded by vacant buildings which house drug deals, drug users, etc... You have homeless people who are hungry, fiending for a high etc... so when you come strolling by you look like a piece of bread on the beach to a seagull. | ||
Wmuchris Member Username: Wmuchris Post Number: 417 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 141.217.44.112 |
http://hotfudgedetroit.com/php BB/viewtopic.php?t=2254&postda ys=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Is this the same incident? Was it around 9:30 last night? Please tell me that there weren't multiple violent gun encounters last night? | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1280 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 198.208.159.18 |
the hot fudge one sounds like it happened at/near oslo...not in capitol park | ||
Wmuchris Member Username: Wmuchris Post Number: 418 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 141.217.44.112 |
I was just thinking it would be quite easy to walk from Capitol Park, to Woodward looking for help. Where did you see the victim Vas? On a side note. What would it take to have police actually walking around and patroling? Seriously, they could have foot patrols that walk around. Like NYC or London. | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 3258 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 136.181.195.17 |
"What would it take to have police actually walking around and patroling?" Hiring more cops. Lost in the coverage last week about the increase in violent crime rates was a quick mention on one tv news report that Chief Ella acknowledged at the meeting that Detroit has fewer police on the street now than 5 years ago. The report mentioned 1,000 fewer officers, but I don't know if I heard that correctly. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 6607 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.236.198.22 |
ONE gunshot can put the body into shock...although I'd never heard of a .28 caliber, dunno what sort of havoc they can inflict in the body. I wouldn't fault the guy for not wandering over to stain Merchant Row's new cement. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 774 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.246.10.173 |
^^^ LOL ^^^ | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10585 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
Don't mind me, I'm just the crazy gun totin' guy who is WAAAAY too paranoid. I totally intend to continue walking through Capitol Park on my walks down Grand River too, thank you very much. If we begin to fear walking at night, if we begin to avoid certain areas, then they have won. They being the criminals. I refuse to live that life, instead I take what I feel are necesary precautions and continue on as I have for nearly 5 years. Here's a though in regards to Capitol Park though, when I walked through around midnight last Friday it was pitch black, not a single functioning light working in the park. That's rather inviting for criminals. For the record, there have been more shootings on Woodward Ave since I've moved here than in Capitol Park. | ||
Solarflare Member Username: Solarflare Post Number: 533 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.69.106.3 |
Until public spaces and sushi bars are closed in Detroit, nobody will be safe. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 4982 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.173.149 |
I heard about it last night. The Ghettoman was there where it happen. He told me that he was on his way to home when he saw 3 Detroit Police cars searching the parking lot next to the Farwell Building he hid himself next to the United Way Building around the corner of State And Griswold St. Until the close was clear. Just today He told his Street Phophets to be careful when you got out to Capitol Park tonight. (Message edited by danny on September 13, 2006) | ||
Rrl Member Username: Rrl Post Number: 615 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 71.213.230.209 |
Translation? The Ghettoman was the Triggerman...?  | ||
Cambrian Member Username: Cambrian Post Number: 89 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 75.10.91.78 |
Thanks, useful info to be careful in some areas. But I wonder how helpful it really is. Fueling paranoia and all that. After all, someone gets shot at the Sterling Heights 7-11, does someone post a message saying "Stay out of Sterling Heights" Would people heed the warning like they do for Detroit? | ||
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81 Post Number: 1105 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 205.153.103.15 |
Where exactly is capitol park? Is this the area just west of woodward at state? A few more cops would help, but I'm sure that won't happen. what is the solution? | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 4985 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.173.149 |
NO Rrl The Ghettoman heard some shots in that Capitol Park area when he was heading home to the lone Detroit home in the ghettohood. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 4062 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.220.232.30 |
The Ghettoman is an armed and dangerous killer. If you see him call the authorities. Do not attempt to capture him for he no longer carries just a legal/non-lethal weapon. He's a killer. If you do carry, be prepared to shoot on sight if he confronts you. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 747 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
Ghettoman=Nain Rouge? | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1781 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 4.229.123.165 |
Gee whiz sport I got news for you.........most people have given up the battle.That might be why a million people have left the city and the population continues to shrink. I posted on the transit thread a piece I saw on the news about Chandler pk. When the Wayne co Sheriff's dept made a concentrated focus on the monkey business going on at CP the difference as very noticeable; the people living in the area were thrilled. I really don't understand why crime is treated the way it is in Detroit.But it has been and continues to be the cities biggest obstacle in making a meaningful turn-a round. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1321 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 136.1.1.101 |
Capitol Park could be the most beautiful slice of the CBD, with the great old buildings surrounding the park, the taller skyscrapers surrounding those, and the notable lack of ugly surface lots. It will be one day, but for now it's a pretty rough area. One catalyst may be the soon-to-be removal of the bus terminals there. Nothing wrong with bus terminals (I've waited for the bus there myself), but it's not really appropriate for a city park area. Once those are gone, you'd probably need a coordinated effort among the building owners to clear that drug dealer schitt out of there. | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 243 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.18.137 |
Quote: "After all, someone gets shot at the Sterling Heights 7-11, does someone post a message saying "Stay out of Sterling Heights" Would people heed the warning like they do for Detroit?" Why should they? That will likely be the only shooting in Sterling Heights this year, while the Capital Park shooting (and the Oslo shooting the same week) will be among hundreds and hundreds of shootings in Detroit this year. (Message edited by hockey_player on September 12, 2006) | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 212 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
Quote: The Ghettoman is an armed and dangerous killer. If you see him call the authorities. Do not attempt to capture him for he no longer carries just a legal/non-lethal weapon. He's a killer. If you do carry, be prepared to shoot on sight if he confronts you. ______________________________ ___________________ Lol, Thats the best post one here by far! BTW, what does the ghettoman, toothfairy, Easter bunny, and Santa have in common? Answer correctly and win a prize. | ||
Dhugger Member Username: Dhugger Post Number: 75 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 69.81.50.7 |
Detroitej72 = What does the ghettoman, toothfairy, Easter bunny, and Santa have in common? They can carry weapons while they fly. {unlike the rest of us who have to dump our finger nail clippers} | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 3264 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.252.133.23 |
Hockey_Player, it only took one shooting at the Clinton Twp Post Bar to close it down. Maybe people do pay attention to what happens where in the suburbs. | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 490 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.41.145.5 |
I don't go through that area often, but when I do two words pop into my mind. Potential and creepy. Actually I'm always kind of overwhelmed by both thoughts. What a great place that could be under better circumstances. | ||
Gsgeorge Member Username: Gsgeorge Post Number: 12 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 68.42.73.125 |
I feel like I should chime in here. I love Capitol Park, I think it's one of the better public areas in the city--IF it was clear of the scum and vagrants that tend to latch on to the place. I have no problem with the bus stop, and I'm not sure what removing it will do. It could kill the area. Unless there is a conscious effort by business owners and the city to clean up that area, it will just remain how it is today. Sorry to hear a real shooting happened there. My incident pales in comparison to this real misfortune. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 775 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.246.10.173 |
" I have no problem with the bus stop, and I'm not sure what removing it will do. It could kill the area." Not to be an ass... but... how would it kill the area. It's not like it is bustling with retail and foot traffic. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 6628 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.236.198.22 |
Oh, it's got foot traffic... | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 234 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
I can't say that I was terrified when I walked through the area a few weeks back taking pictures. It was a hot and humid evening. I even saw some rough looking folks hanging out drinking their booze! The worst thing that happened was some drunk trying to get me to give hime $2 for a shot of Five O'Clock. He didn't even try to lie about his intentions. (Message edited by detroitej72 on September 12, 2006) | ||
Ray Member Username: Ray Post Number: 781 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 75.9.244.116 |
They better get a handle on crime downtown. This is ridiculous. Every week on this board I'm reading about another shooting. This will bring the redevelopment to a complete halt. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10586 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
Parked downtown for my dentist apointment, with plans to attend the Tiger game. Pondered walking the rest of the way up Grand River to Woodward, as recommended on here, but then thought "Fuck it, I'm walking through Capital Park just as I have so many times before." To my surprise, I walked right up on a bust, two cops with a criminal up against their van, throwing cuffs on him as I passed. On my way home tonight I walked up Grand River from Woodward back to my car, passed upon the edge of Capitol Park once again. Guess what, the lights were all light up like a Christmas tree unlike just a few days earlier. Amazing isn't it? One person gets shot and all of the sudden the lighting problem is fixed and cops are arresting people during the day. On a side note, apparently somebody was stabbed leaving the Tiger game I was at tonight, so it wasn't all happy joy joy feelings. That, and some asshole couple behind me decided to pop what appeared to be a couple of plastic bags, which were way too quite to be gun shots. Upon doing so, myself and all the black folks around me simply turned around to see what was up, then proceeded on our way, free of bullet holes. | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 540 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.246.29.185 |
Ray, stop so being melodramatic crime downtown is not out of control. While the media may gloss over shootings(and others crimes) murders tend to be covered pretty well. Looking at downtown homicide totals over the past five years, if things were as bad as you say, we'd be much closer to the 18 we had 2002. I don't think we're anywhere near that many. The fact remains that downtown is as safe as ever and that it's the neighborhoods where they need to get a handle on crime 2001(9), 2002 (18) ,2003 (8), 2004 (9), 2005 (5) | ||
Wmuchris Member Username: Wmuchris Post Number: 419 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.246.19.24 |
Weren't there a couple of more posts here? JT1 what happened to yours? | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 776 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.246.10.173 |
some posts are missing indeed | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 2966 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.81.50.7 |
Bang! | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 1300 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 35.11.212.197 |
not funny. | ||
Miketoronto Member Username: Miketoronto Post Number: 313 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 67.71.48.124 |
Interesting. I did not know Capital Park was that bad. The last couple times I was in Detroit, I have not really ventured to that area of downtown. But years ago, my friend and I did wanter through Capital Park, and to be honest it did not seem that bad at all. Is this crime wave there, something new? | ||
Gsgeorge Member Username: Gsgeorge Post Number: 13 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 68.42.73.125 |
The removal of the bus stop will certainly mean fewer people will need to go to Capitol Park. The way I see it, this could harm businesses around the park who rely on bus riders for some of their business. On the other hand, it could mean fewer shady characters. I guess we'll just wait and see what happens. | ||
Pmardo Member Username: Pmardo Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.40.195.233 |
With the removal of the bus stops and Capitol Park's proximity to recently renovated areas (Kennedy Square, Campus Martius), as well as with its beautiful building stock and scale I predict the area will make a comeback in the next ten years. Just think of the possibilities...perhaps a little jazz club off Griswold, some restaurants, retail? What do yall think? | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4325 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.236.229.212 |
jjaba walked through Capitol Park recently with a nod to James Mason and Michigan's Capitol. There's also Underground RR History monuments there. It wasn't jjaba's Capitol Park from the 1950s awright. It was creepy as hell. Now we learn of gunshots. Oy veyesmere. jjaba recalls that the Grand River Electric Feeder buses terminated there. The buses made lanes right in the center of the park back then. The place was very alive at all hours. In the Farwell Building, jjaba learned how to run the Wrigley's stores cash registers. The Farwell Bldg. was in the center of it all back then, serving East and Westside stores. jjaba, Westsider. | ||
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81 Post Number: 1106 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 64.142.86.133 |
With the reduced riff-raff in Chandler Park, and Sport's description of police activity in Capitol Park, imagine if they put this much effort into all of the city. Hell, they're not even using any sort of fancy police work, just showing a presence. So simple it seems. (of course they might just be let out of jail a few days later anyway, but that's another issue to deal with) | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4416 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18 |
I wonder what kind of effect the renovation of the Farwell would have on the parking and surrounding areas...? I'm not sure a game of "muscial bus stops" is really going to change anything. And I question rather some of the problem may be regular/daily transit riders interacting with the park 'regulars,' instead of the implication that the transit riders are ths source of the problem. Even more so, I question rather this is any more of a problem than it's ever been before. I'm not going to draw a correlation between a few incidents mentioned, here. If the numbers bare out that Capitol Park is a hot-spot, so be it. But, I think it would be irresponsible to hype this as some crime wave in Capitol Park off of a few forum anecdotes. Really, that's not to say that there may not be a problem, but I feel more comfortable saving judgement until I've got some facts to back it up. | ||
Buddyinrichmond Member Username: Buddyinrichmond Post Number: 54 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 67.38.28.69 |
Can someone make an award for Supersport for his constant humanitarian acts including his ability to always be able to report that he was near "black folks"? | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 924 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.170.153 |
I walk through Capitol Park all of the time, day and night. Even though it does have a creepy feel at times, I have never felt threatened let alone had anything bad happen to me, with one exception. While meandering home from the bar one night, I stepped in a pot hole and twisted my ankle there. And yet despite the very real danger to my legs, I still walk through that area. Also, let's deal with some facts here. I have not heard or seen any credible news reports about this alleged shooting in Capitol Park. Nothing personal against Vas, but I don't know him or her from Adam. As far as I know, Vas could be a hot fudger trolling to get a few cheap laughs out of us. The local news outlets are pretty on top of crime in the city. Local TV jumps on crime stories like they are going out of style, especially in the city. So until I hear it from a reputable news source, someone I know or see a police report, it's all rumor and innuendo. Yeah, the media doesn't get everything, but it pays very close attenion to a high-visibility area like downtown. And yes, there is crime downtown. Yes, there are homeless people who, gasp, smoke crack and live in, or near, abandoned buildings. Yes, bad things do happen to good people. Downtown is no Shangrila. It's not even downtown Ferndale. It didn't hit bottom over night and it's going to take a lot for it begin to reach its potential. But it is safe. It is an up-and-coming area. It is growing. It is experiencing a development boom. It is my home. | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 244 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.148.213.218 |
Quote: "The local news outlets are pretty on top of crime in the city." Um, they are absolutely not on top of crime in the city. Have you seen 400 news stories on shootings here to match the actual number of shootings? As someone who has worked for several news organizations in the city, I can tell you that they ignore most of them because otherwise you'd spend all your time reporting on nothing else. The shooting at Oslo was covered by WDIV because a reporter happened upon it. It was not in any other media outlet. Had WDIV not caught it, nobody would've heard of it. Would that have meant that it didn't happen? | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 925 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.170.153 |
No, I'm not saying local news gets everything. I'm talking about the credibility of some anonymous person posting on an Internet forum about a serious crime they say they saw. I don't know that it happened. I haven't seen any sort of documentation to back it up. Nobody I know and trust has correlated the story. So until then, it's as much a rumor as the next person saying Quicken will build on the Hudson's site. | ||
Thnk2mch Member Username: Thnk2mch Post Number: 349 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 71.65.11.152 |
Thats great news, E_hemingway. I'll spread the word! | ||
Vas Member Username: Vas Post Number: 626 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.214.190.2 |
WMUChris, yeah that was it. Two shots in the thigh, one in the back, right next to his spine. He told me they told him to lay down and he just ran. At least the guy was smart enough not to take three in the back of the head......but not smart enough to stop making drug deals on the street. | ||
Vas Member Username: Vas Post Number: 627 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.214.190.2 |
I was in the foyer at Oslo and he came in bloodied saying he'd been shot over at the park. | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1481 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104 |
It's "corroborated", moran. | ||
Vas Member Username: Vas Post Number: 628 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.214.190.2 |
Sorry for the consecutive posts..... The shooting was NOT at Oslo.....although there have been other shootings out front.....This one was at Captiol park, coming from the mouth of the bloodied drug dealer and his girlfriend. E. Hemingway, I understand your concern, but this is what happened. You seemed to trail into the 'downtown is safe defense,' but no one is attcking the safety of the city. We're just collectively agreeing (I also have more stories on Capitol Park) that the Park is not the place to be at night or even sometimes during the day. I posted this because of the incident and also to warn Detroit newcomers of the area. Now a stabbing at the Tigers game. Terrible. | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 926 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.170.153 |
So you're saying the capitol park shooting and oslo shooting are the same incident? If so, that makes more sense. | ||
Vas Member Username: Vas Post Number: 629 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.214.190.2 |
Yeah. There was no shooting AT Oslo. (or at least until 11pm) The victim of the Capitol Park shooting walked the two blocks over. | ||
Solarflare Member Username: Solarflare Post Number: 534 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.112.56.3 |
AWESOME. I knew this thread was way over due for the "It never really happened" post. +1 to E_hemingway for the inevitable, but a -2 for not working implications of racism into it somehow. | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 927 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.170.153 |
Gotcha. But quite honestly, I don't think a lot of newcomers have ever heard of Capitol Park. | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1482 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104 |
That further justifies this thread. | ||
Vas Member Username: Vas Post Number: 630 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.214.190.2 |
exactly | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 928 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.170.153 |
F off Solarflare. I never said it didn't really happen. I just had my doubts. The way it was initially portrayed, it sounded like someone could be taking the opportunity to pile on the Oslo shooting by making up their own event for a good laugh. | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 245 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.148.213.218 |
Where does this conspiracy theory of people making crimes come from? I have yet to see anyone do that here, yet I've seen hundreds of examples of people trying to cover up or explain away the crimes that indeed do occur. | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 929 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.170.153 |
What good is it going to do if they don't know where the hell it is? A lot of people aren't going to take the time find out where Capitol Park is to avoid it. They're just going to say, "Oh that's in downtown. F it I'm going to avoid downtown all together. Yeah they might still go to a Tiger game or to the opera, but they will make a bee line to and from their cars. I'm not saying gloss over crime or ignore it. But drumming up paranoia doesn't help anyone, and that's exactly what happens when you start a thread entitled "Stay out of Capitol Park" and then detail a shooting. | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 930 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.170.153 |
So I should believe every horror story I hear or that is posted on an Internet forum? I shouldn't question things that sound a little sensational? What type of gullible life do you live? | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 246 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.148.213.218 |
Having a knee-jerk reaction that denies anything bad happens in the city is equally not credible. | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1483 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104 |
The thread is aptly titled 'Stay out of capital park', not 'Stay out of downtown'. People who don't know where Capital Park is but do give two shits about downtown are going to do a quick google search to find out where it is, and perhaps avoid it. The people who don't care won't, but those are the same people who are going to find (or already have found) some other excuse not to come downtown. Who wants those people to come downtown anyway? | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 247 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.148.213.218 |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Detroit - which is hemorrhaging both people and cash - desperately need people besides bums to populate downtown after 5 p.m.? Are you really in a luxurious enough position to be choosy about who comes to the city to spend their money? | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1484 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104 |
The point is that they generally aren't going to come down, but if they do they are only going to see the bad. Worse, they'll go talk to their neighbors, colleagues and cohorts about how bad it is. Why would you want people like that to come downtown? | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 248 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.148.213.218 |
So who, exactly, do we want to hand-select to come downtown and pump money into its anemic economy? Considering that most suburbanites don't give two shits about downtown and live entire lives without setting foot down here, from what pool of enlightened, urbane people will we choose visitors to the city? | ||
Solarflare Member Username: Solarflare Post Number: 535 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.112.56.3 |
Why, The Hipster Pool, of course. They are very discerning, these hipsters. And they can hire E_hemingway as their Baghdad Bob. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 777 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.246.10.173 |
Doing it in the park... doing it after after... o yeah... what a big park.... o yeah... Capitol Park... O yeah... | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 931 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.170.153 |
A quick Google search for Capitol Park, Detroit get's several hits, including one to this thread. But none of the 10 listed on that search tells you where it is, gives a map of where it is or even give you street names. The only map showing the location of a capitol park shows it near the intersection of Inkster and Plymouth roads. | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1485 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104 |
Hockey_player, it appears you agree with my post #1483, which is justification for my post #1482:
So for the small percentage of suburbanites who do care but don't know where capital park is, this thread helps them. Admittedly, that's probably only 5 people. But, this thread doesn't make a lick of difference to the rest of the suburbanite slobs. | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1486 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104 |
Whatever E_hemingway. People who care are also intelligent enough to know how to find out where something is by searching on the internet, and they also know that the intersection of Plymouth and Inkster is outside the city limits. | ||
Deputy_mayor_2026 Member Username: Deputy_mayor_2026 Post Number: 120 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 141.211.121.35 |
Hey MCM, was that incident where the guy ran out of the alley at us near Capitol Park? | ||
Vas Member Username: Vas Post Number: 631 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.214.190.2 |
Hemmingway, Do you always act like a mom, nitpicking so that you can act like the smarter 'cough' internet poster? People like you ruin the actual communication powers of internet thread postings, so that you can whine, bitch and wail in your own needy self appreciation. | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 932 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.170.153 |
Hmmmnnnn... Nothing detailing the location of Capitol Park in the next 30 hits on a Google search. Maybe its on the city web site. Nope, a search for Capitol Park there reveals nothing. Maybe it's in Wikipedia... | ||
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch Post Number: 1848 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 208.44.117.10 |
Hey hemmingway - this was posted about 40 posts ago... http://detroit1701.org/MasonSt atue.htm | ||
Wmuchris Member Username: Wmuchris Post Number: 420 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 141.217.44.112 |
Thanks to Vas for clearing it up. | ||
Solarflare Member Username: Solarflare Post Number: 536 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.112.56.3 |
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Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10589 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.226 |
I'll step up to the plate and bring race into this thread for the +2 points. Both the shooter(s) and the victim were black. You wanna know how I know? Did you see a white/suburban victim on the front page of the news the day after? You sure would have if the victim OR the shooter had been white. Not knowing the TRUE race of either of these two, it's simply speculation. However, last night we had an incident outside Comerica park. Let me just venture to guess here that the victim leaving the park was likely white, the homeless guy (by near default in Detroit) was likely black. So what do we have today except front page news over a stabbing. Go figure eh? | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 933 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.170.153 |
Oh phhuuullleeeeaaassseee... Talk about acting like a mom. Who's warning everyone to stay out of Capitol Park? What ruins the forum is nitwits like you who feel they have "warn everybody" when something bad happens when really it's all about making themselves feel better. | ||
Rrl Member Username: Rrl Post Number: 617 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 71.213.230.209 |
Well, the word is spreading. I checked the interactive MapDetroit site, and when I dragged the cursor over Capitol Park...  [In all fairness to MapDetroit, a site I love; JUST KIDDING.] http://www.mapdetroit.com/dev1/main_home.html | ||
Solarflare Member Username: Solarflare Post Number: 537 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.112.56.3 |
Sorry SuperSport, but those additional points are only available when using race in conjunction with denial. You are applying the racial component to the lack of news coverage, presupposing that the crime did in fact take place. To be eligible you would have had to use a statement similar to the following: "Not only did this probably NOT happen, but the poster is actually a racist for suggesting it did, because of x, y and z..." or something to that effect. Thanks for playing though. | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1487 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104 |
E_hemingway, so I used a fucking colloquialism by saying 'Google search'. The fucking point is that any nincompoop with half a brain can figure out where Capital Park is. For example: I googled "Capital Park Detroit", and the first fucking link indicates that the David Stott building is near Capital Park. Hey, I'm as impatient of an internet searcher as the next guy, and I couldn't get an address for capital park on the first page of google results, but I see that the fucking David Stott building is in the vicinity, so instead of continuing on through the google search results like a moron instead I immediately search for 'David Stott Detroit'. Guess fucking what, the first fucking link of results for that gives me a page that tells me that David Stott is located at 1150 Griswold. Well, gee, I only flipped through two pages of google results and only clicked on two fucking links and I've already got an address for a building that is in Capital Park. Come on E_hemingway, be realistic. | ||
Janesback Member Username: Janesback Post Number: 86 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.153.12.23 |
Language please.......there are "ladies " that do indeed read your posts. Is using the F word going to get your point across clearer......thank you all....... | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1488 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104 |
Shut the fuck up. | ||
Janesback Member Username: Janesback Post Number: 87 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.153.12.23 |
that was uncalled for Machoken  | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1489 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104 |
Can't take it? Go out and herd some cattle. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 1141 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
Oh please, Jane. Women like you fuck it up for the rest of us chicks. | ||
Pamequus Member Username: Pamequus Post Number: 75 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 158.229.218.204 |
Oh, please, either say or don't say the F word, it is only a word that someone, somewhere in this world, decided was a "bad" word. Saying it or not saying it doesn't fuck anything up for the rest of the chicks. The rest of the chicks can do that on their own just fine, thank you. ala Jjaba, I remember often getting on the bus at Fielding and Six Mile Road and riding downtown for a day of shopping and lunch. Or ride down to the Art Centre or the Main Library, maybe even ride on down and get on the Boblo boat with a bunch of school friends. This all while still in the tender years of middle school and high school. NEVER was I, nor did I need to be, afraid of a damn thing. People then had more self respect and respected others. People grew up learning how to control their temper, and to respect others or got their butts warmed severely to reinforce the lesson we had been taught since we were toddlers. No one made excuses for us, no one said 'ahhhh, poor darlin', grew up in a bad part of town without a Daddy at home'..... It was simply a matter of expecting a certain level of behavior without exception, crossing all racial and gender lines. So ask yourselves, be honest with yourselves, what happened to Detroit?? A minority has taken it over and I'm not referring to American Africans. It's those with no discipline, no respect for themselves or others (starting with your mayor) who have taken the city to the lowest common denominator and ruined a wonderful place to live. It has been allowed by folks playing the racial card on all sides. For example: all the whites leaving Detroit because the blacks were gonna ruin it (lived thru that myself) and the blacks screaming Detroit was their city now and they're gonna run it the way they want to............. Quit blaming someone else and fix it. | ||
Cambrian Member Username: Cambrian Post Number: 93 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 75.10.91.78 |
Interesting sideline on the etymology of our modern swear words. In old time England you could be arrested for all types of deviant behavior, one of the things perverts could be charged with was an activity deemed "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" They would stamp the arrest papers F.U.C.K.. Or in the old maritime days they would ship animal manure around, presumably for fertilizer. In the lower holds of the ship it would mix with ballast water and decay faster causing lethal building of methane gases as shipping voyages took months back in those times. Explosions or dying off from gas fumes became an issue. To alleviate the problem they would instruct ship's crews to "Ship High in Transit" or so the bills of laden would have the acronym S.H.I.T.. | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 472 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.107.47.65 |
Sorry Cambrian http://www.snopes.com/language /acronyms/fuck.htm http://www.snopes.com/language /acronyms/shit.asp | ||
Cambrian Member Username: Cambrian Post Number: 94 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 75.10.91.78 |
Cute! Seems that both the words are about the same age and come from foreign languages, wonder why? The same age that is. | ||
Ddaydave Member Username: Ddaydave Post Number: 428 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 67.149.185.244 |
I walked through capitol park during superbowl week even with all the huge crowds downtown that park was still kinda creepy | ||
Trainman Member Username: Trainman Post Number: 192 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
Maybe if we support a one half cent county sales tax for mass transit that Capitol Park will come back and be a nice place. A good clean safe mass transit system is essential for Detroit, in my opinion. So, if this idea is voted in then I very sincerely want it to work. | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 172 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 35.11.155.190 |
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Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 142 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 70.229.255.110 |
Oh boy, guess I better watch my back taking the bus through Capital Park huh? | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 6710 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 69.14.27.114 |
Yeah, your schite'll be fokken, fer sure! | ||
Trainman Member Username: Trainman Post Number: 194 Registered: 04-2006 |
I'm serious about paying for a decent mass transit system. Yes, I have the money and yes, we can make and keep Detroit a very beautiful place to live and work. I've been to Capitol Park and its beautiful Top officials refused my request to build a bus shelter and help SMART. It's most unfortunate that some people just cut people down for their efforts to help others. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10603 Registered: 10-2003 |
Fuckin' newbies, always stroll in here wanting to change things. | ||
Mattric43 Member Username: Mattric43 Post Number: 54 Registered: 03-2006 |
Let me get this right according to Cambrian, Supersport just said: "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" newbies always wanting to change "Ship High in Transit" | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10605 Registered: 10-2003 |
Mattric43, Yer gonna fit in just fine, welcome to the party. | ||
Mattric43 Member Username: Mattric43 Post Number: 55 Registered: 03-2006 |
Thanks Supersport, Always trying to understand everyone's views | ||
Janesback Member Username: Janesback Post Number: 96 Registered: 08-2006 |
Fuckin' newbies, always stroll in here wanting to change things. ------------------------------ ----- Supersport, not to worry,, I've learned when Ive encountered people like you, the best thing to do is scrape crap like you off the bottom of my shoe and keep walking. You're nothing, get it? | ||
Mattric43 Member Username: Mattric43 Post Number: 56 Registered: 03-2006 |
Whoa That was harsh Them sounds like fighten words | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1505 Registered: 10-2003 |
Watch it, Janesback might go Dubya on yer ass. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10609 Registered: 10-2003 |
I know homeless people near Comerica Park, that's all I gotta say. | ||
Mattric43 Member Username: Mattric43 Post Number: 61 Registered: 03-2006 |
Ooh you could always get one or two of those guys that will actually "Ship High in Transit" in broad day light in Roosevelt Park. Just looking at back up alternatives | ||
Janesback Member Username: Janesback Post Number: 97 Registered: 08-2006 |
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10604 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 11:46 am: ------------------------------ ------------------------------ -------------------- ------------------------------ ------------------------------ -------------------- quote: Has any father ever bragged to you about having multiple children and then not being in the picture? ------------------------------ ------------------------------ -------------------- There was this episode of Springer back in the day... Now that I know Supersprts mindset( Jerry Springer type), do you really think it would be worth it. Hes still trying to recognize family members on Jerry, hoping one day to find his sister/cousin. | ||
Firefly Member Username: Firefly Post Number: 92 Registered: 06-2006 |
Janesback, HFDers have been watching you for a minute. At first, you were a constant fixture on the "Stupid Detroityes Post Du Jour." But you have really stepped up your A-game. You are quickly becoming a fixture on some of the most prestigious threads over at HFD. Now I'm not asking you to join (you are too thin-skinned. Those "weeping smilies" have stolen quite a bit of your cool points). I'm just saying, I like your style. | ||
Erikd Member Username: Erikd Post Number: 724 Registered: 10-2003 |
Forget Detroit! Stay out of Boston. Boston had a 17% increase in murders in 2005, and an additional 28% increase in murders during the first half of 2006. http://www.boston.com/news/loc al/articles/2006/01/09/homicid e_spike_ranks_high_for_cities_ bostons_size/ http://www.usatoday.com/news/n ation/2006-08-30-violent-crime s_x.htm ------- Forget Detroit! Stay out of Orlando. Orlando had more murders by early August 2006 than they have ever had in an entire year. http://www.bradenton.com/mld/b radenton/news/local/15227307.h tm -------- Forget Detroit! Stay out of Oakland. By August 2006, Oakland had more murders than they did in all of 2005. http://www.contracostatimes.co m/mld/cctimes/15490797.htm -------- Forget Detroit! Stay out of Indianapolis, Little Rock, and Philadelphia.
Little Rock, Ark., is one homicide away, at 42 as of yesterday (August 8, 2006), from exceeding its 2005 tally. Philadelphia police said 239 people have been victims of homicide as of yesterday (August 8, 2006), a 9.6 percent increase over the number of deaths at this time last year. And the number of homicides in 2005 was 15 percent higher than the previous year. http://www.philly.com/mld/dail ynews/news/local/15230809.htm -------- Forget Detroit, Boston, Oakland, Orlando, Philadelphia, Indianapolis, etc. Stay out of America. 600,000 people have been murdered in America over the last 30 years, and the murder rate has jumped over the last 2 years.
http://www.philly.com/mld/dail ynews/news/local/15230809.htm
http://www.latimes.com/news/na tionworld/nation/la-na-stats11 sep11,0,4451062.story?coll=la- story-footer
http://www.usatoday.com/news/n ation/2006-08-30-violent-crime s_x.htm --------- The recent increase of violent crime in Detroit is just a small part of the increase of violent crime that is happening all over America. There is no hope for any real solutions to the epidemic of violent crime in America until the American people are willing to admit that this is an AMERICAN problem. (Message edited by erikd on September 16, 2006) | ||
Zephyrprocess Member Username: Zephyrprocess Post Number: 25 Registered: 08-2006 |
Everyone knows that the increase in violent crime can be attributed only to an increase in the number of pathologically criminal people. |
