Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 1314 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.73.205.235
| Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 5:44 pm: | |
From the Wall Street Journal a few days ago... mentions Detroit a few times: http://online.wsj.com/public/a rticle/SB115750190918654533-bF 9g0ErBua6zxatUbdFD2HRdO4c_2007 0906.html
quote:Copper and Robbers: Homeowners' Latest Worry Thieves Target Wires, Pipes, Air Conditioners As Price of Hot Commodity Soars By SARA SCHAEFER MUÑOZ and PAUL GLADER The Wall Street Journal September 6, 2006 While Joe Fick and his wife Rachel Vreeman were sleeping in their rental house in Indianapolis one night in July, thieves sneaked up and made off with an estimated $100 of stolen goods. But the target wasn't jewelry or electronics. It was the copper components of the house's central air conditioner. "They unscrewed the top and pulled out the guts and left the shell there," says Mr. Fick, a campus minister. The high price of copper is hitting home -- literally. The metal's skyrocketing scrap value is inspiring criminals to hit houses, making off with copper coils in air-conditioning units, copper wires, even the copper pipes used for plumbing, leaving some perplexed residents without running water. ... Sometimes thieves steal less than $100 worth of the metal but cause many times more in damages. Police in Detroit, for example, are reporting thousands of dollars in repair costs for street lights that have been stripped of copper components. Driven by increased world demand for commodities, prices of steel, copper, aluminum and other metals are at historic highs. The price of copper has more than doubled in the past year, closing yesterday at $3.65 a pound on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange. The price of copper scrap -- which is processed and sold to metal-making firms -- has also doubled, with high-grade scrap now fetching around $3 or more per pound at scrapyards, and lower-grade scrap less, depending on quality, according to scrap-metal dealers. ... Thieves often target units sitting unwatched at new construction sites or empty homes, but more brazen ones will strike even when residents are home. Noreen Alexander, a 62-year-old retired social worker, was in her Detroit home one hot morning this summer when she heard a strange noise out back. About 10 minutes later, her nephew noticed that the outdoor unit of her central air conditioner was gone. "I never believed anyone would steal an air conditioner that size, period," Ms. Alexander says. "Was I mad! I was hotter than the weather." ... In response to the rash of thefts, cities are starting to crack down. Montgomery, Ala., recently passed an ordinance requiring scrapyards to report the copper they take in to the police department, and police in Detroit are making sure local scrapyards are licensed and are collecting identification information from people who sell them the metal. Chuck Carr, a spokesman for the Institute for Scrap Recycling Industries in Washington, an association of metal-recycling companies with about 3,000 scrap-yards throughout the U.S., says his organization is bewildered by the sudden surge in theft. The organization has a scrap-theft alert system, which alerts scrap dealers by email when large lots of metal are reported stolen. ...
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Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 2775 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.119
| Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 6:52 pm: | |
LOL.... yeah, the Institute for Scrap Recycling Industries.... is BEWILDERED by thefts????!!!!!! Now that's a laugh....... |
Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 1318 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 136.1.1.101
| Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 10:55 am: | |
Yeah... it also mentions that Detroit police are now making sure local scrapyards are licensed, but you have to wonder how hard they're really cracking down. There is a lot of copper stripping still going on out there. |
Rjk Member Username: Rjk
Post Number: 488 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.41.145.5
| Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 11:01 am: | |
"for example, are reporting thousands of dollars in repair costs for street lights..." Just curious, anyone know how much copper in pounds can be taken from just one street light? |
Machoken Member Username: Machoken
Post Number: 1476 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104
| Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 11:04 am: | |
Yeah, and while were at it, who all likes kiddie porn? |
1953 Member Username: 1953
Post Number: 988 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 209.104.146.146
| Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 1:38 pm: | |
These crimes should be severely prosecuted. |
Gannon
Member Username: Gannon
Post Number: 6569 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.236.198.22
| Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 6:24 pm: | |
I just want to know if ANY of those silly plastic boots will survive another DEtroit winter. From a rough estimate, we're down to about 15% intact...and most of those are on dead-end streets. The person who made THAT city-wide purchase decision should be severely prosecuted. I think we need to get some video surveillance on those scrap yard entrance gates...in the name of Homeland Security, of course...so we wouldn't have to bother with any of those troubling rights and all. |
Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 1323 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.73.205.235
| Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 10:20 pm: | |
Just saw a teaser on Fox News for an upcoming Problem Solvers bit about out-of-control scrappers, on right now... |
56packman Member Username: 56packman
Post Number: 579 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 129.9.163.233
| Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 1:25 pm: | |
If they would work that hard at a real job the boss would value them. It's just more fun stealing I guess. |
Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 1340 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 11:59 am: | |
Looks like the copper thieves have hit the Kronk Gym... http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=2006609200372
quote:MOTOR CITY NOTEBOOK: Kronk Gym takes another hit September 20, 2006 BY BILL McGRAW FREE PRESS COLUMNIST Copper thieves have put the Kronk Gym out of business -- perhaps permanently. The thieves broke into the boiler room Sunday night and stole all the copper pipes, cutting off water to the gym, which forced it to close for the foreseeable future. ...
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K_solomon Member Username: K_solomon
Post Number: 43 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 12:19 pm: | |
That is terrible news. The gym was already on the brink of closure. This is probably the nail the coffin. Are these thefts covered by insurances? |
Ericdfan Member Username: Ericdfan
Post Number: 143 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 12:38 pm: | |
I take scrap metal that I collect from clean-up's every once and a while...I take most of it to a place in Redford called Renew recycling...never once has anyone asked to see my ID....and I take a lot of old piping and gutters...stuff like that... |
Solarflare Member Username: Solarflare
Post Number: 545 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 12:45 pm: | |
Do they put it in some sort of bin and weigh it, or do they weigh your vehicle? Do they seperate it based on type of metal first? Just curious, I'll be doing some renovating on my folks house in the future. |
Bvos Member Username: Bvos
Post Number: 2003 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 10:09 pm: | |
The City is self-insured (ie. they pay any losses out of pocket). This is pretty common for many big cities, especially one like Detroit with old and aging infrastructure that is poorly maintained or not up to current codes. No insurance company will even entertain the idea of insuring them because a loss or lawsuit is pretty much guaranteed. The DPS is self-insured for the same reasons. (Message edited by BVos on September 20, 2006) |