  Taj920 Member Username: Taj920 Post Number: 134 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 68.42.252.205 |
Anyone know the logic/reason behind why Whittier changes to Houston-Whittier at Kelly? | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 102 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 70.229.255.149 |
Probably the same reason Joseph Campau changes from that north of I-94 to Jos Campau on the south side of I-94. | ||
Rrl Member Username: Rrl Post Number: 603 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 71.213.230.209 |
Dtown, you're kidding, right...? | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 104 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 70.227.86.106 |
Rrl, your right, but you just made the city seem much lazier. There's a street sign on the corner of Mack and Joseph Campau that says JOS CAMPAU. I wonder how come they haven't updated the sign. This name on the sign is probably on all the intersections between Mack and I-94. | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 3248 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.220.69.129 |
"Rrl, your right, but you just made the city seem much lazier." Or perhaps the signs assume people are intelligent enough to know "Jos." is the abbreviation of Joseph. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1200 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.251.28 |
It's ALWAYS been abbreviated "Jos. Campau," since the beginning of time. Nobody I've ever known, from Detroit or Hamtramck, writes out "Joseph Campau." | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1203 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.251.28 |
About Houston-Whittier: the part nearer Gratiot was once just Houston. The part nearer Grosse Pointe was (and is, I think) Whittier. Eventually they were joined and the older Houston Ave. became Houston-Whittier. I surmise that was to let people know that the street went clear through to the Whittier portion. | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 107 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 70.227.86.106 |
In hamtramack, they already updated thir signs to JOSEPH CAMPAU from JOS CAMPAU. True, I know JOS Campau is short for JOSEPH Campau. However, that would have been like keeping the street signs on Houston-Whittier just HOUSTON! The city is stuck in the old days and I like my stuff up to date. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 201 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
Ah, Houston-Whittier... As a wee youngster I used to shop at the Kresge's and Cunningham's at HW and Hayes. The Civic Movie House was a great place to see 2nd rate flicks for about 50 cents. And who can forget the A & P across the street from the ACE Hardware store. How's that for a time warp trip? | ||
Imperfectly Member Username: Imperfectly Post Number: 125 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 69.213.206.54 |
Lived at Whittier and Mckinney. The civic theater was scary!!! Remember the bank across the street it had a weird layout outside. We used to buy faygo at Tacomas (next to Toccos Spokes, where i got my first bike!)and have a race to see who could drink it all before we got across Whittier. Why are weird things like that amusing when you are a kid???? | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1204 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.251.28 |
Dtown, it's just one of those things you do when you navigate Detroit: you see "Jos. Campau" on a street sign and you say, "Joseph Campau"... just like when you see "McNichols," and you say... "Six Mile." | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 110 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 70.227.86.106 |
Mcnichols and Six Mile has two different perspective. Mcnichols and Six Mile arent the same people. According to radio personality Frankie Darcell, McNichols is McNichols and Six Mile is Six Mile. As a matter of fact, there isnt no street in the city of Detroit named SIX MILE. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1205 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.251.28 |
Are you even from this area, Dtown? Get a clue. The fact is, any longtime Detroiter refers to McNichols as Six Mile. It's automatic. It's always been that way. | ||
Michael Member Username: Michael Post Number: 783 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.74.14.193 |
As I recall, West of Grand River, McNichols is called and labelled SIX Mile. | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 113 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.215.254.95 |
1. AS a matter of fact, I live near McNichols and Gratiot FURY! 2. I dont see people walking around saying Morross is Seven Mile. Most people that I know say Morross. A person wouldnt want to be called their first name but their Middle name. Its a form of respect to state someone or something's name right. Longtime Detroiters know Rite-Aid as Perry's, but people don't walk around saying Perry's anymore. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1206 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.251.28 |
Dtown, I say Seven Mile for Moross too (yeah, I know that, technically, Moross splits off from Seven Mile near Kelly), at least most of the time. My whole family has always done that (from my grandparents on down, who came to Detroit in the '20s and ended up at Gratiot and Seven Mile). Longtime eastsiders. Lots of people say Moross for Seven Mile. And, at Moross and Mack, there's even a restaurant called the Mack-7. Testament to what most folks do: they think of Moross as Seven Mile. And by the way, Rosa Parks Blvd. is still 12th Street, too. Respect isn't the issue at all. It's about what common usage is (how many westsiders say "Lasher" instead of "Lahh-ser"?). | ||
Taj920 Member Username: Taj920 Post Number: 135 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 68.42.252.205 |
The Pointe Plaza shopping center at Mack and Moross in its previous life used to be called the 7-Mack Shopping center. | ||
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary Post Number: 28 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 68.79.121.73 |
Lots of people consider Moross and Seven Mile the same. Also, I've always considered Seymour the same as McNichols and Six Mile. Vernier, 8 Mile Rd, Baseline? | ||
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox Post Number: 40 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 69.215.243.198 |
Dtown, last time I drove through Hamtramck (just over an hour ago) the signs definitely said Jos. Campau. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 203 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
I'm going to Arbor's to get a perscription filled. Then its off to buy groceries at Great Scott. | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 114 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 68.252.2.239 |
1. Detroit72, there isnt a Arbor's anywhere around anymore. There's only CVS. 2. I saw a street sing in Hamtramack and the map online both said JOSEPH Campau. 3. People call Pointe Plaza Pointe Plaza because that's the name of the shopping center. Truly, its doesnt have anything to do with St. John's hospital. 4. People dont call STATE FAIR ST., 7 and a 1/2 mile rd., folks call it State Fair because that's what it says on the street sign. People don't call Greiner 6 and a 1/2 Mile because the sign on the street says Greiner. Finally, people dont call Orchard Lake rd. Merriman. They are two totally different streets. In conclusions, just because people know what something really is, doesnt mean they have to say what it really is. It will be easier to just say the name they eant you to say. Moross is Moross and Seven Mile is Seven Mile. AS a matter of fact, at the moross turn, Seven Mile cuts off into its own seperate street. So Moross has nothing to do with Seven Mile. 1 more thing...... Rosa Parks wouldnt have wanted to name her street Rose Parks. I know she wouldn't of played that. People should have the names on the street that their parents gave them, not because its cheaper and easier just to put so many letter. (Message edited by Dtown1 on September 09, 2006) | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 2774 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.232 |
As someone who lived in the shadow of St. John Hospital for 30 years.... People living in the area use both references. To reference the street we say Moross and Vernier. But we also use "7 & Mack" or "8 & Mack" to reference the geographic area. "7 Mile" and "8 Mile" are still commonly used "shorthand" for both street names. Ditto for "6 Mile". Rarely do I hear folks refer to it as "McNichols". | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 1573 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 66.2.148.246 |
Since I've been looking at old maps, I now call Greiner, Grotto. I like to think it makes me special. 7 Mile goes into Moross, which goes into Morang, goes into Cadieux, which is GP's 7 Mile. Six Mile should have gone straight at Gunston/Hoover, then into Houston at Gratiot, which turns into Whittier at Kelly, which turns into Outer Drive, which turns into Whittier again at Mack. So Whittier is GP's 6 Mile. So what have we learned? NAFT, but it is fun to confuse the Westsiders with it. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 791 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.96.231.230 |
Heck, I always called Fenkell "Five Mile". But I never was the sharpest knife in the drawer. | ||
Mikem Member Username: Mikem Post Number: 2817 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.43.15.105 |
Fury has it right the first time. Whittier and Houston were seperate streets, but as Houston grew east from Gratiot and Whittier stretched north from GP, they eventually met. Looking at the city's GIS data, I see they officially label the street as Whittier east of Kelly Rd, and as Houston-Whitter west of Kelly. There is no stand-alone Houston anymore. None of my older maps hyphenate Houston-Whittier until the 1950s, and then there is some inconsistency with the stretch between Kelly and Harper being labeled either way. Going back to the 1920's, here is Whittier ending a few blocks north of Mack. The cross street at the top is Harper. Note the road running from Harper northwest off the top edge:  Here is Houston running east from Gratiot, which clips the top left corner of the map. East of Chalmers it's Taylor Road and after it crosses Pumpkin Road (Hayes/Kelley), it jogs southeast down to Harper. This is the same road north of Harper on the map above:  Taylor probably was changed to Whittier once Whittier was completed through to join it at Harper, or maybe when the Outer Drive was built. | ||
Mikem Member Username: Mikem Post Number: 2818 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.43.15.105 |
I consider this area of town the Bermuda Triangle of Detroit; no street seems to run in the direction you think it does, and for some reason it only takes two right turns to go around the block instead of three. I found that Seven Mile Road once ended at Kelly (Pumpkin), but a Seven Mile Drive split south and southeast to Harper:  South of Harper, it continued all the way down beyond Mack as Neff Road. Later in the decade it became Morang:  | ||
Al_t_publican Member Username: Al_t_publican Post Number: 97 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 72.207.99.250 |
I grew up in the Houston-Whittier and graduated from Denby High in '67. I lived closer to Chalmers and E. Outer Dr. Considering that the city is going through a self-inflicted downsizing it should drop one of the names in Houston-Whittier. If your are a freak for detail, take a look at the city charter and you will find that Kelly Road was orginally called Pumpkin Hook Road. I see it as Pumpkin on the attached map. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4313 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.236.229.212 |
Recently, jjaba had to get some Tigers tickets offa guy in Hazel Park. Renee' told jjaba he was at the ice rink, 9 1/2 Mile and the "Expressway." jjaba's first time in Hazel PArk and goes to about 9 1/2 Mile and I-75. Nothing. So he pulls up by a pick-up in a gas station and this is what was said: "Make a Michigan left turn over the expressway, go North on the Service Drive to 9 1/2 Mile, called Woodward Heights. Turn East. The ice rink is between John R. and Dequindere. Shit man, even fucking Ray Charles can find it." What about Little Stevie, can he find it? "Him too". Actual story last week. jjaba on the Eastside. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4314 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.236.229.212 |
Ofcourse, 12th Street will always be 12th St. Mc Nichols is never called anything but Six Mile. Fenkell is Fenkell. You can be anywhere in Detroit and it's called "The Boulevard." East or West, no difference. Same with Outer Drive. No reference is made to East nor West. Nobody in Detroit knows the numbers on the expressways. Take the Lodge and go West on the Edsel Ford, way out there, you'll see the airport. Same in Chicago with the Dan Ryan, the Kennedy, and the Edens. (Ofcourse, the Edens is really the Yiddens, traveling through the Jewish suburbs.) 99 out of 100 Detroiters don't know the last name of John R. Do you? jjaba. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1207 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.251.28 |
Williams. | ||
Rooms222 Member Username: Rooms222 Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 68.85.144.63 |
The Fenkell - Five Mile thing applies mainly to residents of Redford Twp area. Funny though that the about 35+ year old (maybe older) Fenkell Bakery is a the corner of Five Mile and Middlebelt in Livonia | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 3250 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.220.69.129 |
jjaba, Hazel Park is westside. Sorry, them's the rules. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 733 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
Hazel Park is in the middle. | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 3252 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.220.69.129 |
There is no middle. Hazel Park is strictly westside. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 734 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
ha, what is your boundry? mine was Dequindre when i was a Macomb County kid, but now i'm all about Woodward | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 3253 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.220.69.129 |
John R for the suburbs. It's Woodward in the city. | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 118 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 75.7.134.130 |
Jjaba: I-94 = Edsel Ford FWY I-75 = Walter P. Chrysler FWY or Fisher FWY. M-10 = John C. Lodge I-8 = Davison FWY I-696 = Walter P. Reuther M-39 = Southfield I-96 = Jeffries FWY | ||
Innovator Member Username: Innovator Post Number: 22 Registered: 07-2006 Posted From: 160.39.188.86 |
Doesn't John R serve as the EW divide north of six mile? so for a few miles in the city too. | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 119 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 75.7.134.130 |
yes it does innovator. people sort of forgotten in the city John R because of its nearby fareway Woodward. | ||
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox Post Number: 42 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 69.209.190.171 |
Wait, I'm confused. Chitaku, who thinks the boundary is either Dequindre or Woodward, considers Hazel Park in the middle. Both of his boundaries would put all of Hazel Park on one side or the other, since it's east of Woodward and west of Dequindre. Hamtramck_steve, who thinks John R is the boundary, says that Hazel Park is on the westside. Using John R as the boundary puts Hazel Park in the middle, since it straddles John R. So which is it? | ||
Innovator Member Username: Innovator Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2006 Posted From: 160.39.188.86 |
i think it's Woodward/JohnR for the city and Dequindre for the suburbs. | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 120 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 75.7.134.130 |
its really John R. check out a map and it will show you, at least its John R. from McNichols up. It's alright if Hazel Park has a eastside and a westside. | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 3254 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.220.69.129 |
Innovator and Dtown are right about John R beginning at 6 Mile, and Hazel Park may straddle the divide, but I'm here to tell you as a native eastsider, Hazel Park is westside. The State Fair grounds are neutral, like downtown and Belle Isle. | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 121 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 75.7.134.130 |
Hamtramack, Belle Isle is 100% eastside because its east of downtown. Truthfully, when you look at it, state fair grounds is westside. However, downtown and Hazel Park is neutral. | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 3255 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.220.69.129 |
Belle Isle may be east of downtown, but it's not eastside. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4318 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.236.229.212 |
Hazel Park might be Westside which jjaba doubts, but for certain, Hazel-tucky is Pure Eastside. The basic rule in Detroit is that locations East of Woodward Avenue are Eastside, except for the Downtown which belongs to all of us. jjaba's rule is that if he's never been there nor heard of it, tis Eastside. Hazel Park is suburban and suburban isn't Detroit East nor Westsides. Ask anybody if John R and E. Seven Mile Road is anything but in the Eastside. Thanks Fury 13. John R. Williams; he got two streets. jjaba, NW sider. | ||
220hendrie1910 Member Username: 220hendrie1910 Post Number: 43 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 209.217.79.153 |
Michael wrote:
Actually, the change is at the Detroit/Redford boundary of Five Points St., so what Dtown1 said is correct:
But of course that's just what the signs say, not the people. :-) | ||
Chalu64 Member Username: Chalu64 Post Number: 45 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.136.151.176 |
And what about 3 Mile Drive? ; ) | ||
Zephyrprocess Member Username: Zephyrprocess Post Number: 13 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.241.250.214 |
Despite my best efforts, I've been unable to get the coolest of Plymouth's toughs to refer to my neighborhood as "Fenkell & Nville" | ||
Ro_resident Member Username: Ro_resident Post Number: 172 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.14.26.88 |
Of all the section line roads, I think Schoolcraft (4 Mile) and Plymouth (3 Mile) are least likely to be called by their "mile road" names. Wayne Co DPS throws a monkey wrench in the works for Fenkell for me--all of their work orders/locators refer to "5 Mile" and not Fenkell, even within the city of Detroit. Another strange thing in the suburbs: West Maple Road in Walled Lake. West of Pontiac Trail, the official address is "xxx West West Maple", east of Pontiac Trail "xxx East West Maple." Another one I like--Coolidge changes to Schaefer as you cross 8 Mile, then changes back into Coolidge when you hit the River Rouge border. | ||
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.245.84.19 |
I like to look at all roads as mile roads myself, no matter what their official name for the west side.... Schoolcraft = 4 mile Plymouth = 3 mile Joy = 2 mile Warren = 1 mile Ford = 0 mile Cherry Hill = -1 Mile!! | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 138 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 70.229.255.110 |
Snce when have you heard a person call Wareen 1 mile or Joy 2 mile or Plymouth 3 mile. People in the ghettos dont ven call the streets 3 mile or 1 miles, not even the suburbanites call those streets 1 mile or 3 mile. | ||
Zephyrprocess Member Username: Zephyrprocess Post Number: 24 Registered: 08-2006 |
Well, he didn't say that he ever spoke those names aloud, only "looked at them as..." Maybe it's just a useful way to estimate distances. | ||
Ron_saad Member Username: Ron_saad Post Number: 57 Registered: 03-2005 |
Just like Moross road is seven mile. McNichols was six mile. Vernier is 8 mile. HELLO anybody Home. McFly | ||
14509glenfield Member Username: 14509glenfield Post Number: 26 Registered: 05-2006 |
What have I missed circa mid-60's in Civic Center area? Pape's House of gifts, Kowalski's, (the first A & P), Kinsel Drugs, Weinstien Jewelers. Cross the road. Grinell's, Winkleman's, Mary Anns?, Saunder's, "new shoes", Shoe Repair Place, Kresge's, Hallmark Cards, Cunningham's. Cross Hayes Clark gas, THE new A & P. Cross HW @ Queen Sox's Bar, Whittier Collision, Alcomos, "couple of doctor (Dodd) and dentist offices and at the corner ACE, The Hardware Place. Other notables..Kroger, Big Bear,Fred's Ouick Lunch, Chatam, "sewing machine joint (Alma/Hayes), Bank & trust, Standard Federal, OF COURSE THE CIVIC..Ditto GA (alma mater '60). NUFF FOR NOW. Knew the turf then. But that first QUARTER CAR WASH on HW ain't a quarter anymore. But memories are rock solid. Thanx |
