  Digitaldom Member Username: Digitaldom Post Number: 473 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 24.192.148.150 |
Ok I took these behind the foxtown area.. Take alook at all this empty land.. HMM...      | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 644 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
if the new arena goes there what do you think will happen to the cass and henry corner along with the Masonic area? | ||
Digitaldom Member Username: Digitaldom Post Number: 475 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 24.192.148.150 |
Masonic? You mean around Masonic temple.. Ohh for those who don't know the area.. Here's a yahoo maps of the area...  | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 645 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
Yeah the Masonic Temple. | ||
Digitaldom Member Username: Digitaldom Post Number: 478 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 24.192.148.150 |
Here's a google earth shot of the same area..  | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 2008 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 75.10.25.111 |
I call this the downtown "Parking lot district," Dom, and it is especially striking when you're looking at aerial or local.live images. If a new arena is built, but not in this general vicinity between Cass and the Lodge, I'll be pretty confused. Ilitch owns all but a couple parcels in this zone. | ||
Digitaldom Member Username: Digitaldom Post Number: 479 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 24.192.148.150 |
Masonic Temple is actually north of I-75.. About 5-6 blocks north.. I would hope an arena in that area my spur development..Well you have a good point though.. Let me pull an overhead shot here.. to compare.. Ohh you will notice the reason why the RED squares I made do not cover all the way up to the Fox Theatre because I think the owner of the Townpump won't sell.. Hence why I removed the building.. Seems like plenty of room in either area.. And honestly from a vacant land standpoint the area north near Masonic maybe perfect.. It's all open lots and VERY vacant buildings.. Bad area too...  | ||
Digitaldom Member Username: Digitaldom Post Number: 480 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 24.192.148.150 |
How cool would that be to have a stadium ON woodward.. Seems very possible! | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 2011 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 75.10.25.111 |
I'll pass on that. I'd like it on Grand River, just like old Olympia. Above the Fisher Fwy. across from Brush park is poised for mid-high density housing and mixed use development. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4163 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18 |
Hasn't this been/being discussed in another thread? This sounds like a retread. | ||
Digitaldom Member Username: Digitaldom Post Number: 483 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 24.192.148.150 |
Discussed but no one ever showed pics of that area before.. that I am aware of.. Unless you can find them.. | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 3176 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.252.125.223 |
We've seen pictures of the area many times, along with somebody photoshopping in the Joe behind the Fox to show it could fit without closing Cass or demolishing the Townpump and Centaur. | ||
Digitaldom Member Username: Digitaldom Post Number: 485 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 24.192.148.150 |
OK news to me.. Missed that thread.. But these photos were taken a week ago.. Doesn't that count for something?  And has anyone proposed the site north of I-75? | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 3177 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.252.125.223 |
Here's the most recent thread with pictures. https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/76017/74943.html The last post was made on June 26 of this year. | ||
Digitaldom Member Username: Digitaldom Post Number: 486 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 24.192.148.150 |
OK thx.. I am an idiot.. | ||
Border5150 Member Username: Border5150 Post Number: 164 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 65.188.49.231 |
I THINK this is the site where Illitch planned to build the new Tiger stadium before the Lions agreed to go in with them on the current Comerica Park / Ford Field site. It would make sense that he'd build the new Wings Stadium here, since he was already planning to build a stadium here earlier... | ||
Digitaldom Member Username: Digitaldom Post Number: 492 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 24.192.148.150 |
Yes I agree.. Including the UA property he could build a parking garage.. And POSSIBLY.. I mean possibly I new DPM station too... | ||
Pkatmsu Member Username: Pkatmsu Post Number: 9 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 69.14.88.98 |
That is where Comerica was supposed to be, you are correct. However I have heard lately that they are trying to get the site where Tiger stadium is for the new Red Wings stadium to spread urban expansion and restore glory days to corktown. That would help spread good areas of the large city that Detroit is instead of concentrating all the arenas in a tiny area which is already tight on parking - especially if they put the stadiums right where all the parking lots are. IF they were to put it where Tiger stadium is, I'd like to see them expand the people mover to have trains running out there too... as well as all of the other outlying areas! Anyone else hear what I've heard? | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4165 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18 |
The Tiger Stadium site has pretty much been rulded out for the arena. BTW, ask any Corktowner and they'll tell you they don't want an arena there, and the plan is to put a mixed-used development at the site that preserves the field and some of the stadium. | ||
Dnvn522 Member Username: Dnvn522 Post Number: 131 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 204.24.64.25 |
Yes Ddom... and I've posted this aerial before too...  (Message edited by dnvn522 on August 17, 2006) | ||
Keystone Member Username: Keystone Post Number: 229 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 63.241.158.33 |
Think about how a new arena might work in conjunction with one of the casinos.. If you're interested in land speculation, I'd choose the area near Motor City, not MGM. | ||
Drm Member Username: Drm Post Number: 1044 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.214.178.248 |
Pkatmsu: http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll /article?AID=2006606160443 | ||
Dnvn522 Member Username: Dnvn522 Post Number: 132 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 204.24.64.25 |
We've talked about that before too.  | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 4817 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229 |
I don't think that the owners who control their vacant lots behind the Fox Town District don't want to sell their land and buildings to Illitch Holdings nor the developers at the south end of the Cass Corridor don't want to sell their lands or properties. It would take a lots of negotiations, money, proposals and lots of RED TAPE before a new "LITTLE CAESAR'S ARENA" ever being built. Illitch should grab the Old Tiger Stadium while he had the chance. | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 3179 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 136.181.195.17 |
You don't think they don't want to sell... So, the negatives cancel each other out, which means you think they want to sell... | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 117 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 35.8.144.6 |
I know this has less than a 1 in a million chance of happening, but I'll throw it out there anyway... What about the old packard plant? Put it right in the center of the old complex. The buildings around the outside could be reused as retail/entertainment. Just think about what it would do for that part of the city, and the region in general if a complex of that size opened in Detroit. It would be used by the Wings in the winter, and filled with concerts throughout the summer. People would spend a whole day shopping, then going to a game or show. I know, I'm dreaming. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 2648 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.72.73 |
Last year we talked about the west Foxtown sites for the new Olympia (or whatever it will be called, but it won't be called JLA). The ideal site (as Digitaldom as shown) is that big sea of parking lots between Park Ave. and Cass Ave., but leaving the Park Ave. buildings undisturbed. That way the Moose Lodge, Chin-Tiki and GAR could house ancillary entertainment establishments on the west, and Park Ave. on the east. This would all tie in nicely with the Entertainment district. However, since it appears that Emminent Domain cannot be used for such an endeavor, all bets are off. There are probably some parking lot owners who are super greedy (like the east riverfront Casino landowners), and will squash that idea. | ||
Pkatmsu Member Username: Pkatmsu Post Number: 11 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 69.14.88.98 |
That article that DRM posted to me has a lot of quotes like this in it: "The overall plan remains a concept at this stage, with no final price tag and lots of details to be resolved. The city will put out bids soon to find development teams to build the residential and retail components, said George Jackson, president of the Detroit Economic Growth Corp. and Kilpatrick's top development aide" regarding the plans for what is to be done at the Tiger Stadium site. The article is from June 16th, 2006. Is there anything definate and certain of their plans now? | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 13 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 68.249.238.44 |
I herad on the news recently that they were leaning toward a retail/loft style area where tiger stdium is, probably a newer version of whats on Woodward. It will bring some, not more, life into corktown and their not receiving a arena at the same time. That will be perfect for the 2 casinos and Bus station (Message edited by Dtown1 on August 24, 2006) | ||
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster Post Number: 1753 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.187.234 |
Less perfect for Corktown however. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 552 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 129.9.163.106 |
Put it in the most god-forsaken place in the city (I'm thinking somwhere up Mack/E.Vernor where there is tons of vacant land, the few buyouts would be simple and cheap).Being in the worst part of town, the area will have no place to go but up. The rabid sports fans will go anywhere to see their beloved game, as will concert goers. The police might have to reconnect with that neighborhood after the arena opens. Keep it on/near a major spoke street. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 4020 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.156.15.166 |
Do you think Jeff Skil..err Dan Gilbert will give the Wings a smart arm loan to build the new hockey arena? I mean Enro...I mean Quicken Loans loves Detroit now, or something. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 65 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.95.238.65 |
That's not the worst idea. It's right next to Grosse Pointe, and is easy on and off with Edsel Ford freeway. It's not the worst part of the city though. There doesn't seem to be any land available there now that I look at it. |
