Bvos Member Username: Bvos
Post Number: 1818 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 134.215.223.211
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 9:01 am: | |
Here are some very interesting statistics in today's Freep about new Census data that was recently released: http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll /article?AID=2006608150312 Although it's encouraging to see more diversity in the suburbs (which I've noticed), there's still discouraging news: "Unfortunately, we see this here and across the country," Metzger said. "Whites and blacks don't live together, not because blacks don't want to. It's because whites don't want to. Oftentimes, as a community becomes a community of color, whites start to leave." |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 215 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 24.169.224.43
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 9:04 am: | |
Great article...thanks for the link |
Bvos Member Username: Bvos
Post Number: 1819 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 134.215.223.211
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 9:08 am: | |
Here's the same info in a Snews article. Some good graphs and charts: http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.d ll/article?AID=/20060815/CENSU S/608150351 |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 7729 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 9:21 am: | |
I wonder about the accuracy of the news charts. Detroit saw a net loss of people in the decade of the 50s according to the census data I have seen. |
Itsjeff
Member Username: Itsjeff
Post Number: 6612 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 9:52 am: | |
The city lost 7% of its black population and 14% of its white population in the 5-year span... So that's two trends I'm bucking. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 7730 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 10:00 am: | |
No mention of Hispanic or Middle Eastern populations? |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4801 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 11:01 am: | |
I can see how the black exodus goes: Warren "the White man's ghetto" with over 9,800. Troy with almost 5,000. Sterling Heights 4,349. Even Hitlerland Livonia with over 1,738. Now with 1.2% black population. Even Dearborn, once a segregated city under Orville Hubbard is now booming with blacks 3,850. Southfield, Inkster, Highland Park, Lathurup Village, Oak Park, R.O.TWP. and Pontiac is already black coated. Eastpointe, St. Clair Shores, Roseville, Harper Woods, Redford TWP. Dearborn Heights, Westland, Northville TWP. Canton TWP, Auburn Hills, West Bloomfield TWP, Bloomfield TWP. Bingham Farms, Ferndale, Farmington Hills, Wayne, Van Buren TWP, Sumpter TWP. Taylor, Romulus, Hamtramck, Clinton TWP. Harrison TWP. are suburbs destined to be black coated with 20 years. Ecorse and River Rouge are going to be mostly black by 2010. I can see that Detroit's black population is flight for the last 15 years. Corrupt city leaders, poor services even up to the $300 tax fee, lots of vacant buildings and empty lots, po'folks and mutants, a sudden rise of violent crime, crackheads and drug dealers, poor Detroit Public Schools and its teachers, blighted ghettohoods, no good mom and pop businesses and financially broke! Is causing blacks and other ethnic people to leave to the city tot he suburbs or any other American cities. I can see that Detroit's black population went from 802,000 people to 686,000 people a lost of 136,000 people. Although the Detroit's black population has increased by precentage from 63% in 1990 to 81.6% in 2005 just becuase the white folks are leaving Detroit by a precentage of population. The Ghettoman had quote this in this theory of The Degeneration of Detroit Black control, "IF THE WHITE-FOLKS DON'T COME DETROIT TO HELP THE INFRASTURE, DETROIT WILL COME TO THEM." from the ethnic migration law theorem." IF THE WHITE FOLKS DON'T COME TO THE BLACK-FOLKS, THE BLACK-FOLKS WILL COME TO WHITE-FOLKS WITH CIRCUMSTANCES OR CONSEQUENCES." |
Patrick Member Username: Patrick
Post Number: 3548 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.222.10.3
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 12:39 pm: | |
Black flight has begun. Bad city services, horrible schools and high crime.Can you blame them? |
Bvos Member Username: Bvos
Post Number: 1825 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 134.215.223.211
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 12:56 pm: | |
For details on the Middle Eastern and Hispanic population check out pages 5-7 of this article from SEMCOG: http://semcog.org/Products/pdf s/SEMScopeSummer2006.pdf |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 7737 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 1:02 pm: | |
quote:Bad city services, horrible schools and high crime.Can you blame them?
Nope. |
Firefly Member Username: Firefly
Post Number: 56 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 198.30.81.2
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 1:08 pm: | |
If the suburbs are so great, why are people continuously moving around? One day, you hear about "the fastest growing community" and a few years down the road you see abandoned strip malls, suburban office space for rent, etc. It's amusing to hear how "prestigious" this or that particular suburban community "used to be." |
Erichp77 Member Username: Erichp77
Post Number: 194 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.237.10.188
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 1:12 pm: | |
In the past two years living in Sterling Heights, my neighborhood and surrounding area has seen a huge spike in diversity and it's been great. Everyone just......"lives" I guess, lol. On residential streets, in not uncommon to see children of different races playing or riding bikes together. It seems that this paticular area has moved on from racial strife which I can could only hope one day that the same will happen for the rest of the region. I love Detroit. However, I don't blame those for wanting to leave for better schools and safety for their children. One day, Detroit will come back better then before. However, crime and schools need to be fixed first. I think someone here said that it's nothing that 100,000 jobs can't fix. How true. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4814 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 1:27 pm: | |
Firefly, The people who are living the suburbs, especially the inner ring suburbs depends on what type of race of people that are moving in or out. Back in the 1950s when the early inner ring suburbs in the Metro Detroit area were being built. They were made for mostly white families, NOT for blacks, ethnic Hispanics, or other minorities. That's until the 25 year Jewish Exodus from Detroit to suburbs became the ethnic ignition switch for blacks. When the Jews moved from Detroit to Oak Park, the blacks followed, When the Jews moved to Southfield, the blacks folowed. Now the Jews are in West Bloomfield TWP, Bloomfield, Commerce TWP. Farmington Hills and guess what the blacks will follow then, too. Later when Detroit got every bad. Most black-folks don't want to bear with the common problem from their lazy and lousy city leaders or they continue to move to other inner ring suburbs of Redford TWP. Eastpointe, Warren Harper Woods and so on. Segregation, Demarction and Xenophobia before economic flight is MAIN cause for building the modern humongous white suburbia so the white-folks can escape from the black and ethnic problems from the city and live free. That's until their next generation get tired of the suburbs and start moving on either to Detroit to but a nice condo or loft or move to some ex-urban countryside in the middle of nowheresville or a another city where they hip cool buildings, a good ecomonic job base, good schools for their future children or excellent regional transit. This black-flight from Detroit to the suburbs will continue for a long time until white-folks, recievership, private corps., ethnic or alien race from another planet come to Detroit to solve its fincial cries and rebuild it into diversity standards. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 4137 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 1:36 pm: | |
Firefly, the article makes the point of mentioning that as black population increases in thesse specific burbs, as usual, the white population decreases. People are still running. When young, black professionals start moving even further north and west, whites will be moving out to suburban Flint and Lansing. lol Much like Southfield, just weight until places like Warren and Livonia reach the magical threshold required for a full-scale white exodus from these burbs. The more things change, the more they stay the same. |
Janesback Member Username: Janesback
Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.152.233.178
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 1:37 pm: | |
This same situation is going on in New Orleans Louisiana right now. I was just there recently for a few weeks, and its never going to be the same. The French Qwatah (Quarter) is doing a so/so amount of business, but for the most, large number of homes in New Orleans are up for sale. The mayor, Nagin, and the cheif of police, Riley are a joke. Murders are out of control, I think they have had about 50 in July. The population decreased to 150 K or so, but the thugs are coming back and ruining the city. City leaders have a lot of impact on the rebirth of a city. Good luck, from what I have seen posted in the form of photos, Detroit seems to have some beautiful architecture from what I can tell. Hope things improve for you all . Peace .. Jane |
Firefly Member Username: Firefly
Post Number: 58 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 198.30.81.2
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 2:29 pm: | |
You're right, Lmichigan. These same people then turn around and lament about how it "used to be" until "those people" came in, took over, and ruined the 'friggin' place. This insatiable appetite for the "next hot trend" has killed the concept of community. Now, buying a house is as mundane and unimportant as buying a car. No real thought put into the purchase other than it is the next hot commodity (in this instance the next hot community). You are then left with these poorly constructed cardboard boxes littering farmland throughout America. |
Wilus1mj Member Username: Wilus1mj
Post Number: 101 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 216.111.89.3
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 2:40 pm: | |
I'm pretty sure even within the suburban cities, there is still segregation (like Warren-South end vs North end). |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 4139 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 2:47 pm: | |
Yeah, diversity may be increasing, but that doesn't mean Michigan is any less segregated by race/ethnicity than it's ever been. Barring some huge social change in this state and country, this trend is going to continue with minorities getting "sloppy seconds," in regards to suburbs. When the upper class and upper-middle class whites are done with certain suburbs, then they in essence give them over to upward mobile minorities. The lower class white population that are left eventually move too, but for different reasons. Bvos quoted comment in the very first post of this thread pretty much sums it up. |
Firefly Member Username: Firefly
Post Number: 59 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 198.30.81.2
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 3:05 pm: | |
I was listening to a morning radio show, in which a Black DJ described the process his family had to go through to sell their home. He stated that the real estate agent told him to remove all of his family portraits as well as any other indications that the home belonged to a Black family. He then went on to talk about the shock that was on the White family's face after they realized they had just bought a home from a Black family. |
Janesback Member Username: Janesback
Post Number: 6 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.152.233.178
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 3:13 pm: | |
Firefly. That practice is not really new or directed to certain types. I had dealt with a family, Jewish, who were told to remove all religious artifacts as well as any reference to the Jewish religion. I also know that one gay couple had been asked to remove all photos of this couple that had posed together, as the realtor thought this may have a tendency to scare off any "typical" family that wanted to buy their townhome. Also, this practice applied to a bi-racial family as well. |
Firefly Member Username: Firefly
Post Number: 60 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 198.30.81.2
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 3:50 pm: | |
But does this practice ever apply to your "typical" White family? Or, is it everyone else that has to make their environment inviting to your "typical" White family? Do you have any examples of Bob and Linda having to hide family photos of Amanda, Ross, and Spot the family dog in order to sell their home? |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 7742 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.22
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 3:53 pm: | |
Realtors suggest taking down family photos regardless of color. By leaving the photos up people tend to think of the current family living there as opposed to envisioning themselves living there. This has nothing to do with color but is as common in real estate as baking a cake or cookies before showing your house so it smells 'homey' There are valid concerns over race relations and racism. Making a typical task into something that is racist belittles the real issues and makes it harder to address them. |
Janesback Member Username: Janesback
Post Number: 7 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.152.233.178
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 4:19 pm: | |
Firefly, again, this practice is nothing new. I know people who were told no Christmas decorations, no religious artifacts, and no sexually oriented matter. Again, I think its only to ensure whom ever selling their home will be able to ensure a quick sale. Ive been to open houses where whites live and for the most, I dont remember any photos. Again, I cant say for sure but the homes that I did go to an open house, had no photos. Also, Spots dog house was cleaned up, no clutter in any of the bedrooms, and from the previous poster, the smell of fresh baked bread from the kitchen. |
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies
Post Number: 2082 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 129.9.163.105
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 4:26 pm: | |
And don't forget to put the bong and porn away. |
Renf Member Username: Renf
Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.43.197.95
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 4:38 pm: | |
I had the opportunity to be the investigator in the last of a series of 50 annual surveys of the Detroit area conducted by the U of M. In summer, 2004 we interviewed 754 metro area adults to assess racial attitudes, especially those about residential segregation. Findings from the Census Bureau's 2005 American Community Survey showing a sharp rise in the suburban black population are not surprising. Our survey found: * Whites are increasingly willing to live alongside blacks, tend to remain when blacks enter their neighborhoods and express a willingness to move into neighborhoods that already have black residents. * Blacks, more so than whites, prefer to live in racially mixed neighborhoods. * Compared to suburban residents, those who live in the city of Detroit are not satisfied with their city services or schools. * Revitalized neighborhoods in the city of Detroit are appealing to a large fraction of the black population and to a sizable minority of whites. Posted below are links to short and long version of the final report of our findings. If you print these reports, I hope you will use a color printer. http://www.detroit1701.org/DAS CompleteFinalReport.pdf http://www.detroit1701.org/DAS Report_June 2006.pdf |
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field
Post Number: 610 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.11.37
| Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 5:03 pm: | |
I've noticed a dramatic increase in the black population here in Wixom. My block in my apartment complex has gone from about 13% african american to 50% African American. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4816 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229
| Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 10:11 am: | |
Who will fill the ethnic void in Detroit? So far the Asians, Benglashis, Arab Muslims and Hispanics are fullfilling their population growth in Detroit.In 50 years, Detroit's population may reach to over 1,300,000 by 2060. But the black population will NOT play a dominate role in Detroit it would be new wave of Hispanics, Arab Muslims and Bagladeshis and East Indians and a few whites. This would be my population prejection for Detroit: in 2010, 610,000 blacks 100,000 whites 80,000 hispanics 60,000 Arabs 30,000 East Indians in total 880,000 in 2020 482,000 blacks 190,000 whites 130,000 hipanics 72,000 Arabs 55,000 East Indians in total 929,000 in 2030 320,000 blacks 250,000 whites 180,000 hispanics 110,000 Arabs 70,000 East Indians in total 930,000 in 2040 210,000 blacks 270,000 whites 240,000 hispanics 170,000 Arabs 99,000 East Indians in total 989,000 in 2050 195,000 blacks 300,000 whites 310,000 hispanics 185,000 Arabs 121,000 East Indians in total 1,111,000 in 2060 182,000 blacks 346,000 whites 397,000 hispanics 279,000 Arabs 148,000 East Indians in total 1,352,000 This sudden population boom is due to recievership, private control of all Detroit ghettohoods, gentrification, a booming job growth, more EVIL charter schools, corporate takeover of Detroit Public Schools, new retail developments, and outrageous property values and lack of low income-housing. While most inner ring suburbs will become mostly black and ghettotized... More to come about the sudden African American growth of inner ring suburbs. |
Bvos Member Username: Bvos
Post Number: 1849 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.228.57.79
| Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 10:44 pm: | |
Firefly, Did that black family take down the gold and silver blinds as well so it wasn't readily noticable that a black family lived there? (Sorry, couldn't resist!) |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4840 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229
| Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 9:09 am: | |
Now for Oak Park, MI. and the sudden growth of African Americans in the inner ring suburbs: Most Black-folks from Detroit had been moving to Oak Park, MI. since the late 1970s via the 25 year Jewish exodus the light to dark green areas of the Oak Park neighborhoods represents the black population within the district. Oak Park Today is filled other ethnic peoples. There are still other areas of ethnic Jews, Orthodox and Hasidic, Chaldeans, and a few whites. But in my prejection this sudden black population will continue to grow. in 2010 26,000 blacks 10,000 whites in total 36,000 in 2020 31,000 blacks 9,900 whites in total 40,900 in 2030 34,000 blacks 8,200 whites in total 42,200 in 2040 38,000 blacks 7,400 whites in total 45,400 in 2050 31,500 blacks 3,300 whites in total 34,800 in 2060 26,000 blacks 2,800 whites in total 28,800 By 2007 Oak Park will become mostly black, it will however be ethnic diversed for the next 20 years until every last black family fill up the entire Oak Park neighborhood andl later become ghettotized. More to come about the sudden black flight to the inner ring suburbs. |
Heywood_mccrakin Member Username: Heywood_mccrakin
Post Number: 3 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 68.255.163.26
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 2:13 am: | |
Danny, where are you coming up with these projections? are you guessing? |
Gannon
Member Username: Gannon
Post Number: 6330 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.236.198.22
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 4:38 am: | |
Wow, so many newbies on this thread...welcome to y'all, although this last one sounds remarkably familiar for some reason! So when do you think Kwame might actually consider me one of his constituents? White, male, single, heterosexual, self-employed, NPR listener...I could be the LAST person living in the city and he probably wouldn't recognize me as someone he should be concerned with. I've noticed a great number of black faces in Dearborn while visiting my father, and this confirms that fact. Heck, if racial diversity happens in the Heights too, I wouldn't have had to move out...I've got a strange aversion to living in a place where everyone looks too much like me. It doesn't much matter if those radically homogenous whites need to continually move further out when 'their' neighborhoods change...let THEM pay the gas prices to drive that much more to work...and then for counseling when their children turn out weird due to a lack of parental supervision. During the time BEFORE they move, their kids will play with a wider pigmentation range of people and hopefully another generation will grow more comfortable with each other...on all sides. LET them run, Lmichigan, we've NO concern for them, save to pity them missing out on the simply beautiful society we live and love...due to their discomfort, fear, and for some, deep-seeded racism. Let them run and ruin more farmland. Part of the motion from city to inner-ring to outer-ring to plutonian-exurb is simply due to the fact that mortgage pricing was held to such an unbelievably low rate for so long and the availability to obtain a mortgage is greater than ever before...two incomes can qualify for a MUCH more expensive purchase with less overall downpayment than ever in the past. Used to need to qualify with only ONE income from a couple, which severly limited the maximum price they could spend on a house. Plus, every government agency at every level pressed to keep the momentum in the new housing market. It was the ONLY shining star in the economy before W and his Neo-conmaniacs decided to make War(Peace) the new growth sector. (that is simply Peace for the brainwashed newspeakers, War for those of us refusing to play along, I'll be typing the translations for a while for those trying to make the transition) Plus, all city governments gain additional income when the assessments increase due to higher pricing...they love the continuing sales of homes, too, since prices usually rise over time with real estate. (there isn't an entity engaged in the real estate business that will refuse an increase in pricing...agents get commissions, insurance companies can charge more, assessors get their hit, inspectors can up their bribe requests...watch as the housing market condenses, like I said over the past two years, and see who cries the loudest...if you can hear over your OWN sobs) So, people followed the post-war American dream they have been programmed for since birth...buy a new home in a pristine new subdivision for your new family. If you've already GOT one, notice that is filled to the top and rather than downsize your lifelong collection of useless shit, buy a larger house. Lord knows the female half of the species has a particularly curious need to move UP...for a better kitchen, more space for the ONCE a YEAR family gathering, to keep ahead of her high-school girlfriend, whatever. (of course, the male half puts up with that for a few moves before HE trades to another wife and leaves the other with the old house, but I digress) That is ALL going to change...if simply to mess with Danny's projections. Hey, Heywood, ALL projections are guesses...same concept, better terminology to not scare the educated folk. I was going to say 'Educated Guess', but that always puts me into an Ani DiFranco frame of mind. |
56packman Member Username: 56packman
Post Number: 546 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 129.9.163.234
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 6:24 am: | |
mind_field--Do you live in the Village apts. @ Beck and Pontiac trail? |
Heywood_mccrakin Member Username: Heywood_mccrakin
Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 63.169.78.170
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 9:34 am: | |
Gannon, I fail to find the connection between someone moving around from suburb to suburb, and the need to send their kids for therapy. I also fail to find the connection between people moving around and racial overtones. I used to live in Southfield, saw it go from light to dark to Jewish. I moved for the one reason. Moved to live in a better neighborhood, with better schools. Southfields schools got worse and worse. No longer were they ranked nationally, and no longer were they as safe as they used to be. Call me a racist all you want, but we moved away from the crap. Crime, dirt and apathy. As for Danny's numbers, I doubt they are anything but numbers he came up with in the shower. As for thinking I sound remarkabley familiar, unless you sit in the office next door, then no, i shouldn't sound familiar. |
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2
Post Number: 991 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 9:43 am: | |
Maybe somebody will finally get the message! LIvedog2 |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4871 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 10:53 am: | |
For Southfield, MI. and the sudden growth of African Americans in the inner ring suburbs: Blacks, mostly from Detroit's ghettohoods had migrated to Southfield since the late 1970s via the Jewish exodus They stated to settle along the 8 Mile/Greenfield area near Northland Mall and Oak Park border in the 1980s. By the 1990s, as lots of Jews continue their 25 year journey to the promised land called West Bloomfield TWP., Blacks had quickly fill up most of the Southfield neighorhoods all the way up to 13 Mile Rd. By 1997 Southfield had became offically mostly black and by the year 2000, Southfield's black population boomed to 54.2% What's left of Southfield's White and Jewish community remains mostly at the northeast corner from 10 Mile Rd to 13 Mile Rd. near the Berkley/Beverly Hills border. and small souther portion near Inkster Rd. that borders Farmnigton Hills. In my prejection this sudden black population will continue to grow. in 2010 59,500 blacks 13,000 whites in total 72,500 in 2020 77,000 blacks 9,720 whites in total 86,720 in 2030 71,100 blacks 6,900 whites in total 78,000 in 2040 54,800 blacks 4,300 whites in total 59,100 in 2050 46,000 blacks 3,000 whites in total 49,000 in 2060 33,000 blacks 2,000 whites in total 35,000 So when whites folks in Southfield continue to leave. Black-folks will continue to move in, but in the next 30 years when Southfield become ghettotized in the mostly subsidized projects, apts. and condos, Black folks will also leave Southfield to Farmiton Hills Berkley, Beverly Hills West Bloofield TWP. Bloomfield TWP. other areas. Stay tuned... |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4872 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 10:56 am: | |
Heywood_mccrakin, I don't usually guess. I'M A STREET PROPHET. I can forecast where people come and go in any urban city. |
Gannon
Member Username: Gannon
Post Number: 6333 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.236.198.22
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 11:32 am: | |
Heywood, Yah, I know, sometimes the logical connections in my head happen so quickly I cannot fully put language around them. The theraphy for the children is NOT from moving around so much...it is from the children being either left alone or with some alternate care-giver for the hour-plus duration of drivetime to work these bozos endure...putting them out of their families for two hours a day, minimum. I'm not a big fan of remote control parenting...and with some of my LA clients having over TWO hour commutes...I just couldn't get over these folks burning four hours of their day just commuting. There is NO better waste of your life than rush hour in LA...or any big city, for that matter. As for the racial overtones, that was merely following up on Lmichigans lamentations that those whiteys just keep moving away when the neighborhood changes...and YOU know the type, there ARE people who still complain. Could be simple human nature resisting change, or uncomfortable living near someone different, OR blatant racism...but there ARE folks who seem plan to dash the moment any minority even shops their subdivision. About you sounding familiar, there is a person on another forum with your exact name...plus, I don't DO offices, so I would never have the one next door. Danny, Great, that means IF you are wrong, we get to stone you to death, right?! I mean, that IS the great test of prophets, right? I think it's written in Deuteronomy somewhere. Until it becomes fact and true, my friend, you are merely guessing. Educated or not. Cheers! |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4873 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 11:45 am: | |
Now for Warren, and the sudden growth of African Americans in the inner ring suburbs: Warren MI. was once a fast booming suburb with a population of 170,000 due to all those manufacturing jobs along the Van Dyke, Mound and Groesbeck strip. In the 1950s, lots of whites mostly from Detroit made a quick move to Warren for those manfacturing jobs and including lots of Appalachian Whites. At the south end there were a lot of mostly woodframe ranches and bungalows with a few trailer parks and brick bungalow along the 8 Mile border. And at the north end, mostly brick raches with a mixture of Colonials, Apts. condos and newly developed Big Foot Tudors. Warren has a reputation for segregation when a some black family moved into a all white Warren neighborhood, their home would get vandalized inside and out and racial graffiti and threats were sprayed all over their property. However as blacks from Detroit started to move into Warren in the 1980s in small numbers, they settle quietly along 8 Mile Rd. near Dequindre Rd. and some parts of neigborhoods along 8 Mile Rd. by the 1990s more blacks from Detroit started to settle in some Warren neighborhoods, and even started to fill up some the Apts and condos in Ten Mile. 12 mile, Van Dyke Ave. from 12 Mile to 14 Mile Rd. By 2005 U.S. Census reported that Warren's black population has increased quickly to nearly 10,000 people. In my prejection this sudden black population will continue to grow. in 2010 17,800 blacks 109,000 whites in total 126,800 in 2020 35,000 blacks 92,000 whites in total 127,000 in 2030 53,700 blacks 70,000 whites in total 123,000 in 2040 74,000 blacks 39,200 whites in total 113,200 in 2050 86,900 blacks 16,400 whites in total 103,300 in 2060 77,300 blacks 9,900 whites in total 87,200 So when lots of blacks continue to grow in Warren White-folks will continue to leave. Also most of the manfacturing jobs in Warren will dissapear or move away to another state, foreign company, city. Leaving thousands of people out of work. Warren will become mostly black after 2040 most of its neigborhoods would become ghettotized and some black-folks would tired of the conditions that they want to move out. More to come of black suburbia. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4874 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 11:52 am: | |
Gannon You have to remember what Jesus said when the people of Israel tried to stone a prostitute, " LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN, LET HIM CAST THE FIRST STONE." |
Gannon
Member Username: Gannon
Post Number: 6337 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.236.198.22
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 12:00 pm: | |
THAT one doesn't apply to people who outright claim to be prophets...when the underlying assumption is that you're claiming to be a prophet of God. We'll get Karl to come back to town, HE thinks he's without sin...it's another loophole in the teachings of Jesus. There are a bunch of christians who mistakenly believe they can exist without sinning...so you'd better watch out. I'm not one of them, though. And I AM only teasing you... |
Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 1293 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 136.1.1.33
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 2:40 pm: | |
That first chart that Danny posted from the Freep showing the four major suburbs (Dearborn, Warren, Troy, Sterling Heights) roughly tripling in black population from 2000 to 2005 is startling. It looks like we are witnessing a sea change in metro area demographics this decade. Although I guess this region has been having rapid demographic changes in one area or another for 50+ years now. |
Janesback Member Username: Janesback
Post Number: 25 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.152.254.27
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 2:49 pm: | |
Ganon People can make choices, thats what its all about. If a family chooses to leave one suburb for another, surely it cant be about whos in the neighborhood. Did you ever stop to think that a family may choose less crime, better schools, less polution, more of a rural enviornment for their kids? I dont think I would label all suburbanites who have moved out further as frightened, insecure or non-decisive. Think of them as wanting to improve themselves. People in the 50s moved out to the burbs for more space, newer homes, and jobs. Please look at all reasons why people move. Thanks, Jane ....... |
Gannon
Member Username: Gannon
Post Number: 6370 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.236.198.22
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 5:21 pm: | |
Janesback, All of the above that you say is also part of the equation, I was merely addressing Lmichigan's lamentations of the continuation of white flight. But YES, having ONE minority move into a neighborhood can cause some to become uncomfortable, just because you are not in that group doesn't mean they don't exist. I know people like this...at least two of my cousins, one on each side of family, are blatant racists. That stuff about women's motivations and their men's subsequent leaving them was a joke. But most of what you say motivates people to move can be included in my comments, with a slight twist. Fear of crime. Fear of their children encountering it in school...or the school NOT providing basic learning because it is so distracted by student misbehavior and bad attitudes toward learning. Fear of sickness due to pollution. And that rural thing? Whoa, yeah, we need to return to an agrarian society to have our peace and quiet...oh wait, we just paved OVER that farm. So yeah, people can call it what they will...but the American Dream, circa 1950 and enduring to this day only slightly modified, is a ruse that at its core might be racist, or in the very least 'classist'. I'm sure Rasputin or someone else might be able to make that case, whether convincingly or not, at least the potential is there. |
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee
Post Number: 47 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.95.235.36
| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 5:55 pm: | |
I see your population projections and I wonder why is there such a decrese in overall population? Where are the whites going? Are they heading farther north and west? I don't have a problem with integration of area's, but if the effect is more sprawl than maybe it's not such a good thing. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4889 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229
| Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 12:22 pm: | |
Now for Eastpointe, and the sudden growth of African Americans in the inner ring suburbs: Once called East Detroit, this small 2x2 bedroom suburb once part of Erin TWP. a Irish farming community in Macomb County. When it became a city in the 1920s new housing from a mixture of Detroitesque bungalows, ranches, both wood frame and brick boomed for white middle class families. Most of them were Irish. Ridgemont Golf Course along 8 Mile Rd. provided a valley like atmosphere from golfers. When the middle-class Italians from Detroit's " LITTLE ITALY" community arrived in East Detroit in the late 1950s, housing was a bid demand. So Ridgemont Golf Course had to be torn down to build 8 more neighborhood blocks of mostly bigger brick ranch homes. Later lots of blacks from Detroit had arrived in the 1990s and of some of Irish and Italian folks started to move further out to other Macomb Co, cities or any other cities. Fewer blacks started to settled in the neighborhoods east of Gratiot from 8 Mile Rd to Toepfer St. all the way to Beaconsfield St. near the St. Clair Shores border. At the time the word East Detroit was change to Eastpointe for their new name would attract new residents and raise property values, but it didn't seem to work. By 2005 Eastpointe's black population would increase between 1,900 to 2,200. In my prejection this sudden black population will continue to grow: in 2010 3,500 blacks 28,500 whites in total 32,000 in 2020 7,230 blacks 22,000 whites in total 29,230 in 2030 10,900 blacks 19,000 whites in total 29,900 in 2040 16,700 blacks 14,300 whites in total 31,000 in 2050 23,000 blacks 9,000 whites in total 32,000 in 2060 26,940 blacks 7,500 whites in total 34,440 Eastpointe's black population will be dominate by after 2040 covering 80% of the suburb all the way up to 10 mile Rd. and from the borders of Warren to St. Clair Shores. More to come on black suburbia. |
Bongman Member Username: Bongman
Post Number: 1231 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128
| Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 12:51 pm: | |
Lol....Aim that sudden prejection somewhere else will you Danny ? |
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee
Post Number: 64 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.95.238.65
| Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 1:06 pm: | |
Detroit in 2060 182,000 blacks 346,000 whites 397,000 hispanics 279,000 Arabs 148,000 East Indians in total 1,352,000 What evidence is there that close to a quarter million white people are going to move in the city? When I last checked Detroit's white population had dropped by 30,000 in 5 years. The same seems true of the Hispanic population. Do any of you really see 400,000 hispanics in Detroit in 54 years? That would be great but it's not going to happen. The hispanic population had practically no growth in 5 years in Detroit, as hispanics left the city at the same rate as they came in. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 7786 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19
| Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 1:15 pm: | |
quote:Do any of you really see 400,000 hispanics in Detroit in 54 years?
Census numbers don't illustrate how many Hispanic people live in Detroit. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4890 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229
| Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 1:37 pm: | |
Milwaukee, When Detroit get back on the ecomonic boom whether's its after recievership or corporate control, you may see that a better diverse Detroit including the ethnic Hispanics. They will come by exploding numbers when the jobs are available. So what's going on in your city of Milwaukee? White 298,379 50.0 Black or African American 222,933 37.3 American Indian and Alaska Native 5,212 0.9 Asian 17,571 2.9 Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander 301 0.1 Some other race 36,428 6.1 Two or more races 16,150 2.7 Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 71,646 12.0 The City of Milwaukee remains mostly white, but population but they are continuing to move out. While the city is is development process. Black-folks are slowly moving out, too, but the ethnic Hispanics are praticipating on the population growth. |
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee
Post Number: 66 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.95.235.205
| Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 2:19 pm: | |
All of that is true about Milwaukee. Milwaukee has a number of low skill jobs though for new immigrants to do. Meatpacking, food processing, and jobs to do with the state's agriculture. Are there jobs for Hispanics in Detroit? When is the economic boom going to happen? what will cause the economic boom in Detroit? Pontiac has better luck with attracting hispanics than Detroit does. |
220hendrie1910 Member Username: 220hendrie1910
Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 20.137.2.50
| Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 3:07 pm: | |
The population of this forum in 2060: 30,000 blacks 20,000 whites 25,000 Hispanics 1 Danny ...and if we're fortunate, 1 jjaba. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 4230 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18
| Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 5:35 pm: | |
Pontiac isn't having better luck. It's that people are exiting Detroit faster than the Hispanic immigrants can fill in the places. Detroit's hispanic population (probably grossly undercounted, anyway) has been growing a huge clip. So fast in fact that parts of Southwest Detroit were the only areas to see a population GAIN over the 90's. I don't suspect this to change. |
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee
Post Number: 67 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.95.235.2
| Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 6:04 pm: | |
You may have that many hispanics to move to Detroit, but what about whites? They're leaving the city in droves. Where do you see the population increasing by over 250,000 people. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 4232 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18
| Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 6:58 pm: | |
Who said I saw that? BTW, the white middle class and upper class is gone for the most part. Like most Detroiters, in general, the only whites remaining in Detroit are largely poor and old. There is no more mass migration out of the city by whites. I'd venture to say that death is taking many of those that are left. |
Innovator Member Username: Innovator
Post Number: 13 Registered: 07-2006 Posted From: 160.39.244.210
| Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 7:43 pm: | |
milwaukee, younger white people are moving to detroit. right now there's really not too many "droves" of whites left to leave the city. |
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee
Post Number: 69 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.95.236.230
| Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 8:31 pm: | |
There may be white people moving into the city, but not at the rate that they are leaving or dying. There are new cool neighborhoods which whites have moved to, but think of all the area's that used to be white in Detroit. I think we can all agree if current trends continue that there will not be 360,000 white people in Detroit |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 4236 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18
| Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 9:14 pm: | |
If you follow the current trends to their conclusion no one will be left in Detroit. Come on, man, use your brain. It's hard to predict population even over a year, let alone far into the future. You don't need to be listening to Danny. Most other's have already learned that. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4893 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229
| Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 11:17 am: | |
For Redford TWP. MI. and the sudden growth of African Americans in the inner ring suburbs: Redford TWP. remains a typical bedroom suburb fill with a a mixture of bungalows, colonials and ranches both brick and woodframe. It used to be a 6x6 sq. mile area until Detroit annex some parts of it in 1926. Redford TWP. has two school districts, south and north Redford schools and a very big golf corse between 6 Mile and Puritan area. blacks from Detroit arrive in Redford TWP. to settle in its neighborhoods in the late 1980s starting at the Parkway Heights community along Plymouth Rd. near Telegraph from the Detroit Diesel Plant area to Joy Rd. by the 1990s More blacks begin to quickly occupy the cookie cutter ranch homes north of Schoolcraft area to Fenkell Ave. west of Telegraph Rd. to Beech Daly Rd. According to the 2000 Census Redford TWP's. Black population increased to over 4,500 by 2005 to increased to over 7,000. In my prejection this sudden black population will continue to grow. in 2010 9,900 blacks 39,000 whites in total 48,900 in 2020 18,850 blacks 27,400 whites in total 46,250 in 2030 27,000 blacks 16,000 whites in total 43,000 in 2040 40,000 blacks 8,200 whites in total 48,200 in 2050 34,200 blacks 6,000 whites in total 40,200 in 2060 22,000 blacks 4,100 whites in total 26,100 By 2030 blacks will be the dominate role in Redford TWP. but a few years later when most of the community gets ghettotized, lots of Blacks will move on. More to come on the growing Black suburbia. |
Tayshaun22 Member Username: Tayshaun22
Post Number: 302 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.14.101.116
| Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 11:22 pm: | |
Keep em coming Danny. What are your prejections for Dearborn and Melvindale? |
Tndetroiter Member Username: Tndetroiter
Post Number: 178 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 141.217.226.162
| Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 11:35 pm: | |
I find it funny how Danny is painting a future in which the 'burbs will become run down as black people move in and the city will become revitalized as the wealthy whites and hispanics secretly perform a flanking movement back into the city. Speaks a lot about how he views his own people. Kinda like that bug eyed uncle in "The Boondocks". |
Ray Member Username: Ray
Post Number: 766 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.41.164.236
| Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 12:14 am: | |
Very interesting. I read recently that the popluation of the US is going to increase by 60 million in the next 50 years. That's a lot of people. I predict some of them will end up in Southeast Michigan. The best real estate in Southeast Michigan is Detroit. It has the infrastructure and the water and hasn't been despoiled by wretched 1960s and 1970's sprawl that has rendred most of the region uninhabitable by civilized people. I think 50 to 100 years from now, Detroit city will be the place to live and people will speak disparagingly about the dingy dangerous suburbs, which is actually my impression of how a lot of European cities work. |
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee
Post Number: 71 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.95.236.143
| Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 12:43 am: | |
Tndetroiter, I think he's just looking at what the black area’s of Detroit look like and see's how if the inner city population moves out, what the area will look like. Please believe me when I say I'm not trying to be a racist. Here's a good site Ray, http://www.npg.org/states/mi.h tm It has population projections for all the states up to 2030. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4903 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229
| Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 9:36 am: | |
Now for Livonia, and the sudden growth of African Americans in the inner ring suburbs: Livonia was once a lone farming TWP. until it was incorporated a city in 1950. Livonia is home to the first ever historic sub-division called Rosedale Gardens an located at Plymouth Rd. between Merriman and Farmington Rd. built in 1927 offshoot to Detroit's Rosedale Park. It once hired Boston Teachers from Boston to teach the chidren the ABC's. It's has oodles of Manufacturing plants and a good housing stock mostly a mixture of brick ranches, bungalows and colonials in the south end while at the north end a mixture of the woodframe and brick colonials, bigfoot homes and condos. Livonia today has a corporate district along the I-275 FWY. and 2 shopping malls. Laurel Park and Livonia Mall. The city used to have a Wonderland Mall, but it was closed in 1999 due to lack of shopping. Livonia used to have a fast growing Jewish community along 6 Mile to 8 Mile Rd. but they started to quickly move out to Farmington Hills due to fast growing numbers of Palestinians both Muslims and Christians. Livonia has a bad reputation for blacks when they start arriving a numbers to work. The Livonia police force had been racially profiling them when they come to and from work, visit and do their errands. Just recently Livonia has suffered a financial crisis. It's schools are closing, folks in Livonia just recalled the entire school board, and in 2005 The EVIL Super-Wal-Mart proposal, Blacks and financial problems, caused them to vote YES to opt the SMART bus system out of their streets. Despite their bed rep. Blacks had started to move to Livonia to settle along the North end borders near Redford TWP., the areas between 8 Mile and 7 Mile Rd. where the once Jewish communities were. some of them settle along the apt. complexes along 5 Mile Rd. between Beech Daly Rd. and Merrimam Rds. in late 1990s by 2000 The Livonia's Black population had increased to 900 by 2005 it quickly went up to 1,738. In my prejection this sudden black population will continue to grow: in 2010 89,000 whites 3,200 blacks in total 92,200 in 2020 78,000 whites 11,000 blacks in total 89,000 in 2030 54,400 whites 22,700 blacks in total 77,100 in 2040 30,000 whites 38,900 blacks in total 68,900 in 2050 11,300 whites 56,000 blacks in total 67,300 in 2060 9,700 whites 42,000 blacks in total 51,700 By 2040 Black-folks will be the dominate role in Livonia. Most of the manufacturing jobs will be gone. Some neighborhoods will be ghettotized and later Blacks in Livonia will get tired of the conditions that they would moved out to other areas. |
Tayshaun22 Member Username: Tayshaun22
Post Number: 303 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.14.101.116
| Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 8:10 pm: | |
Livonia or HITLERLAND? I'm confused. |
Thnk2mch Member Username: Thnk2mch
Post Number: 309 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 71.65.11.152
| Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 8:52 pm: | |
quote:Just recently Livonia has suffered a financial crisis. It's schools are closing, folks in Livonia just recalled the entire school board,
Livonia's schools are restructuring.There are budget cuts in schools all across the state of Michigan. The school board was NOT recalled. A group of citizens that did not like the restructuring plan, wasted a lot of time and money and had a recall effort put on the August 8th ballot. The recall failed. |
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