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Terror suspects from Dearborn arrested in Ohio - 1Rjk120 08-15-06  11:57 pm
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 12:10 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, Bush would only be so lucky if his criticism was just coming from the left. All presidents have their built-in critics. Unfortunately for Bush, he's being attacked (and increasingly) from both sides of the aisle. This isn't some fringe movement. People (red and blue, alike) are sick and tired of systematic incompetency, from Katrina to Iraq. He was never fit to be leader of Texas, let along fit to be ruler of the Free World. He's been over his head in this job from Day #1, much like Jimmy Carter or Ford. It's sad, but some people grew into the job, and got better with time. Bush's rule, surprisingly, has deteriorated with time. Not only has he been irrelevant to the world for most of his reign (and to some extremes some in the world have even viewed him as illegitimate), he's largely become irrelevant to most Americans on almost every issue. Even his supporters seem to set the bar low for him, almost like a dog or young toddler who you pat on the head for doing the most mundane of tasks. It's really sad, because Republicans really have much more to offer this country (and had in 1999) than George "Duh"bya Bush.

(Message edited by lmichigan on August 16, 2006)
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Barnesfoto
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 12:14 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"when the next terrorist attack occurs you same people will be the ones screaming the loudest demanding to know why he didn't do more to protect the country"
Fuck you. The pandora's box of Iraq has been a waste of lives and resources. Imagine what the money wasted on Iraq could have bought at home. Imagine if the efforts in Afghanistan had been concentrated there...Where's Bin Laden? Where's Ronald Reagan's "Freedom Fighter", turned George Bush's "Terrorist"?
Bush has no credibility left with a good part of the country, and he never had any with me.
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Metrodetguy
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Instead, imagine the Pandora's Box of dealing with North Korea, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, AND (pre-invasion) Iraq (Hussein still in power making threats, keeping weapons inspectors at bay covering up who knows what, wondering what they're up to, supporting terrorists, etc).

The world situation would be just as bad, if not worse. F-ed indeed.
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Barnesfoto
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 1:04 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

THE UNKNOWN (a poem)
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.
Donald Rumsfeld
—Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing
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Lmichigan
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That's right. Poor Bush. He was just set up to fail, wasn't he? Please. North Korea, and Iran, and Syria and ....didn't just become threats over night, and Bush sure as Hell didn't help in declaring every nation that oppossed U.S. foreign policy part of the "Axis of Evil" or those that indirectly aided them either in word (or lack of equal condemnation) or action. America knew of these mounting threats, and had their choice in 2000 and 2004, and they chose known incompetency, mediocracy, and political half-assery both times (yes, Bush was equally 'successful' as he is now in his governance of Texas, lol). Somehow, Bush took known threates to this country, and made them even more threatening (with increasing speed, in fact).

Who'd have ever thought that even possible for a man that screams that only he can prevent terrorism and keep us safe? He can't get back to Crawford soon enough, for me. And hopefully, his almost comically comic-book evil "friends" can crawl back under the dark rocks from whence they came.

Why couldn't the Republicans have had McCain or someone equally qualified to have chosen from in 2000/2004? Why did they have to get who will easily go down as one of the worst presidents in American history (and I'm not even joking)?

(Message edited by lmichigan on August 16, 2006)
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Livernoisyard
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"Why couldn't the Republicans have had McCain or someone equally qualified to have chosen from in 2000/2004?"


Probably because he's clearly a RINO just like the recent loser in Michigan's Seventh Congressional District's GOP primary. It's amusing knowing that the Dems want a weaker candidate to win among the GOP and it doesn't happen. The voters obviously didn't want either of them.

But of course, your vote should nullify any election whose results you do not approve of.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 3:47 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Please, McCain is one of the most hawkish Republicans you'll ever meet, and actually had military experience, something none of Bush neo-cons seem to have. They love to send other people off to war, though. Just because he isn't kissing the Christian Conservatives ass, and isn't indulging them in their anti-social rhetoric doesn't make him a RINO.
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Livernoisyard
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Watch how few votes McCain will garner during the GOP primaries when he tries to run for president in a year. That'll prove his being a RINO. Besides, he's way too chummy with the likes of Ted Kennedy and Rodham.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 4:23 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Honestly, do you really truly believe that Bush was the best Republicans could have came up with in 2000? I think both Bush and Gore were two horrible choices, but boy you guys sure did pick a winner in Dubya' huh? lol It really doesn't need to be said, again, but if it wasn't for his last name, he'd have never crossed the parties mind EVER as a presidential candidate. Hell, Jeb would have been a better president than Georgy-boy.
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Livernoisyard
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 4:54 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, Bush won twice and Gore and Kerry both lost once. I only have but one vote. Obviously, he won the Electoral College twice to their none. For one, I'd prefer a true conservative, but half a loaf is better than the crumbs that Gore or Kerry supporters got.
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Lmichigan
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Oh, I wasn't asking you to agree that Gore of Kerry were better choices, but I really like to know what conservatives and Republicans think of Bush, because he's not really what you'd call and ideological conservative. He just seems like a fluke in the electorate. You know, one of those "once in a century" presidents, but in this case not "once in a century" the same way Lincoln was if you know what I mean.

Liv, are you more of a fiscal (traditional) conservative, or this new breed of "family values" tax-and-borrow NeoCons?
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Livernoisyard
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 5:41 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fiscal libertarian...
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Citylover
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 11:35 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Then how (if you do?) can you support Bush?
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Livernoisyard
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The lesser of evils. Can you understand the concept? I support his military plans but not much of his spendthriftness. You probably like his overspending, I'll bet.

BTW, there used to be fiscal conservative Democrats, but not really anymore. JFK would be considered a Republican today, both economically (with his major tax cuts) and militarily (due to his Cuban and Vietnam military activity) Think (for once) about that.
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Citylover
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You don't know what I like ya condescending pr@#k
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Czar
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Cl, it's OK, you can call Lyard a prick, just don't call him a douchebag.
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Detroitnerd
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So, uh, any comment on how the terrorism charges were dismissed?
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Citylover
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http://www.mlive.com/news/sane ws/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1155 734433198690.xml&coll=9
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Lmichigan
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Yeah, unlike the front page news "terrorism" and "Mackinac Bridge" make, when law enforcement turns out to be wrong or overstating, those stories are instantly pushed to small news blurbs, and to the back of papers. How convenient. Then, the Freep had the gaul to keep pushing the story with a story the other day about what a terrorist attack would look like on the bridge if it was under an immenent threat. lol Keep up the good job you "liberal" media. lol
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Metrodetguy
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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 4:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Or, when law enforcement is wrong, fails to "connect the dots", or fails to (at least) apprehend suspects, those stories are instantly pushed to the front page. Likewise, when authorities from the (perceived) opposite political affiliation fail to "connect the dots", many of the same advocates (defenders of certain suspects) of political correctness and pseudo-intellectualism, are the first to attack those same officials for failing at their jobs. How convenient indeed.

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