  Bvos Member Username: Bvos Post Number: 1802 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 134.215.223.211 |
Interesting article from the Snews today about Kwame's free ride from GM. Especially interesting are the comparisons to the perks other mayors get. http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.d ll/article?AID=/20060810/METRO /608100381 | ||
Spartacus Member Username: Spartacus Post Number: 132 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 209.114.251.65 |
If GM wants to provide a car for free then who cares, but the most disgusting part of the article is that his wife has two bodyguards accompany her to the gym. I wonder if the first lady of San Jose has two bodygaurds accompany her to the gym? In the article yesterday it stated that five of Kwame's security personal were given cars. Seriously, who the hell does he think he is? | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 684 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.246.10.173 |
Who cares if GM gives him a free truck? As long as we are not footing the bill it don't matter... Who cares if his bodyguards were given cars either, again as long as we aren't footing the bill it does not matter. It's a PR moves for GM who has their HQ in Detroit to give the mayor a new whip. "GM has provided a vehicle continuously to the mayor of Detroit since the 1980s when the automaker, headquartered in Detroit, gave Coleman A. Young a Cadillac." ^^^^^This is nothing new then^^^^^ | ||
K_solomon Member Username: K_solomon Post Number: 18 Registered: 07-2006 Posted From: 199.178.223.4 |
I think its ironic given the state of our economy and the current oil crisis, that they gave him an SUV. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10461 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
Since he's getting the SUV for free, we as tax payers should foot the bill to put some spinners on it. | ||
Spartacus Member Username: Spartacus Post Number: 133 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 209.114.251.65 |
I believe the only free SUV is for Kwame. The bodyguard's SUV's are paid for by the taxpayers. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 172 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 68.62.6.138 |
Hmmm...I can't really fault him for this since it's free and other mayors have gotten them... though 13mpg paid for by the taxpayers while gas prices are close to all-time highs doesn't really bode well for him given his past. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 1115 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137 |
I think it is a great gesture for GM to offer a vehicle to the mayor of the Motor City. Good publicity for them, it saves the taxpayers some cash, and allows a great ride for Kwame. Its too bad that all oil changes and gas are paid for by the city. Kilpatrick should provide receipts for gas based on work travel, and he can pay the $25 for a damn oil change. | ||
Kmc Member Username: Kmc Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
Hopefully this will send a message to other companies that they need not bother lobbying the City of Detroit for anything, since GM has already bought the mayoral office. But of course they've been doing it for so long now, and it doesn't cost us any money, so why should we care, right? Conflict of interests, anyone? On top of it all, the fact that the mayor's car is an indulgent, gas hogging, CO2 churning SUV is disgusting, regardless who made it and regardless of whether or not it was "free." | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 1118 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137 |
Like the article said, whether or not GM gives the mayor a car, GM will get its phone calls returned. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 818 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 69.242.213.101 |
This seems like a non-story. Every mayor since coleman has gotten a new, free car from GM? What's their beef? I bet you Archer's wife went plenty of places in their free GM ride when he was mayor. Nitpicking at its finest! | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 782 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.215.244.18 |
I'm with Quinn & Viziondetroit on this one. Who the F**K cares?!?! You all sound jealous! later - naturalsister (Message edited by naturalsister on August 10, 2006) | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 516 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.179.251 |
The city is responsible for the Escalade's routine maintenance, such as oil changes, and . But the vehicle warranty covers all repairs, Martin said. The Escalade gets ; the only GM product that gets worst gas mileage is the Hummer, with 10 mpg in city driving. | ||
Wash_man Member Username: Wash_man Post Number: 63 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 69.221.80.238 |
I wonder if the mayor or any other employees pay income tax on the personal use of the car. I am lucky enough to have a car supplied by my employer (non-government BTW). At the end of the year, I have to report how many miles I drove the vehicle and how many of those were personal. They then use a formula to add several thousand dollars to my W2-Form. Essentially, I am paying income tax on the use of the car since the IRS considers it a form of compensation. Do you think any City of Detroit employees are required to submit these type of records at the end of the year? It would be interesting to find out. Let's call Steve Wilson! (BTW I am not complaining about my situation. Having a free car with all expenses paid is a huge perk that I don't take for granted.) | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 685 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.246.10.173 |
Blessyouboys... whats the trade off... gas and upkeep vs a car note PLUS gas and upkeep? Is there a problem? Either way the city would have had to pay gas and upkeep... BUT they are not payin for the vehicle. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10466 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
SPINNERS! SPINNERS! SPINNERS! | ||
Morena Member Username: Morena Post Number: 471 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 216.45.2.138 |
The real problem here is perception and the message it sends to everyone. The City has a 15% unemployment rate, poor public school system, very high homicide rates, the poorest big city in America, the highest percentage of poverty among children 18 and younger, with people/families leaving in droves. BUT, our Mayor get chauffeured with body guards 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. It's really fucked up! | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 70 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
quote:I bet you Archer's wife went plenty of places in their free GM ride when he was mayor. ______________________________ ___________________ Why do people always try to justify actions by telling how their predicessors did the same thing? If only everybody would take personal accountability for their OWN actions. Aw well its always easier to sling mud at others. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 4770 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 198.111.165.50 |
What's a king without its noble steed. Let KING KONG KWAME have his black chariot. While his kingdom dies. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4117 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18 |
Yeah, and GM supplied current Mayor Bernero, here in Lansing, a Cadillac. I really don't care. | ||
Newlaster Member Username: Newlaster Post Number: 189 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 69.136.136.209 |
I wish he could have taken a more energy efficient vehicle to set an example. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2804 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 70.237.162.213 |
Quinn please stop being disingenuous and dishonest (yet) again. The issue is that Detroit is once again operating in a different manner than every other major city. The issue is that official city vehicles are being used for non-official events by unauthorized personnel. The issue is that no other mayor gets 24 hr (non-official) use of a city vehicle. The issue is that Kilpatrick announced that he would end the practice of city vehicles, and once again lied. The issue is that Kilpatrick's security detail is too big and he promised to reduce it, and once again lied. The issue is that even though GM provides a new vehicle yearly, along with the city having a fleet of 14 other vehicles for the EPU, Kilpatrick still decided to stick the taxpayers with a bill for $24,995, then unsuccesfully tried to cover it up. And once again...the issue is that Kilpatrick supporters continue to dismiss all (proven) assertions against him as "not a big deal", "lies", etc. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1697 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 4.229.123.204 |
I don't live in Detroit........but Morena imo you hit the nail directly on the head.The message it sends is obscene.It reminds me of an African dictator or Baby Doc(remember him?).Of course this is the U.S. and it could not possibly be on that scale but considering the devastation, schools and crime it really is hideous and shows contempt for Detroiters. | ||
Redetroit Member Username: Redetroit Post Number: 32 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
It does send the wrong message in my opinion. We have a financially unhealthy city and he's livin' it up. He should take the subway just like Bloomberg...oh yeah, we don't have those. Better yet, wouldn't it be great if they took him around on a rickshaw. | ||
Morena Member Username: Morena Post Number: 472 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 69.242.214.135 |
Is it to soon to start of thinking of some bonifide candidates for 2010? My question is not as crazy as it may sound. In order to have any chance of replacing the current mayor, you've got start recruiting people now. A few names to consider: 1. Reginald Turner (my early favorite) 2. Matt Cullen 3. Ken Cockrel 4. Kwame Kenyatta 5. Butch Hollowell 6. Buzz Thomas 7. Kim Worthy 8. Peter Cummings 9. Charlie Williams 10. Shirley Stancato | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 821 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 69.242.213.101 |
Ah tisk tisk tisk metro...bordering on slander. What have I lied about girlfriend? Before you get your panties all in a twist and come out guns-a-blazin' as you are want to do everytime I make a subtle inuendo at your sexuality, think: When have I ever been a huge supporter of Kwame's? Yes I voted for him over that slug freeloader, but it doesn't mean I give him a free pass on everything. As a matter of fact, I personally think it looks bad to be driving around in an escalade...the smart thing to do this year would be to request, from gm, a nice impala or even a suburban. Having said that, come on! This to me reads as a typical detnews attack piece on a political figure they've always despised. There is no story here...is anyone really upset that he uses this vehicle 24/7? I don't care...it's a different situation than any other mayor because GM is based here and they want Kwame in their car, not ford OR chrysler. Get over yourself you drama queen. | ||
Caseyc Member Username: Caseyc Post Number: 596 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 206.18.111.5 |
....while the Escalade a la Kwame is a flashy story, I found the bigger picture to be more disturbing, e.g. Part I of the story, dealing with the entire fleet of cars/subsidies provided to 150 or so city officials and appointees,and how that compared to other cities (not favorable at all, I might add). To me, that was more emblematic of the wide scale bloat, misguided notions of entitlement and fiscal irresponsibility at the city level that seems to be hard-wired into the mentality at the CAY muni center. | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 783 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.30.217.16 |
Turner as in National Bar Prez? later - naturalsister P.S. His wife used to be my client. She'd make an exquisite First Lady. Good people all around. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2818 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 70.237.162.213 |
Oh geez here we go again with Quinn. Changing political claims yet once again, to go with his/her and "Ilovedetroit's" changing claims about their race, gender, occupations, sexual orientations, income levels, event attendance, etc. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 822 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
Queen you need to take another lexapro and get ahold of yourself. Here you go...breath... http://www.healthyplace.com/Co mmunities/Anxiety/phobias_2.as p | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2821 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 70.237.162.213 |
Quinn, are you claiming to be a pharmacist now? | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 823 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
Just a person in the world trying to help out a handicapped, fellow citizen. "Insane people are always sure that they are fine. It is only the sane people who are willing to admit that they are crazy." - Nora Ephron | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2825 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 70.237.162.213 |
Quinn, you and "Ilovedetroit" originally claimed to be from the suburbs, so I don't think we're "fellow citizens".  | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 825 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
I've lived in Detroit since 1995, metro detroit since 1991, rural michigan since my birth. Get it in your head...ILD and I are not the same person. If you can show me a post where I've declared otherwise, please do so NOW and show everyone you are correct. Come on...we're (alright maybe just me because everyone else is sick you your mental retardation) waiting... Prove your bullshit theory.  | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2826 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 70.237.162.213 |
Quinn, why should anyone believe your claims now, given your track record of bogus claims on this forum? | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 827 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
HA! Thanks for proving my point NoviGuy. Loser. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2827 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 70.237.162.213 |
Sorry Quinn but you and "Ilovedetroit" are the only ones that originally claimed to be White...and from the suburbs. Phony. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 829 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
Ha! LOSER!  | ||
Exmotowner Member Username: Exmotowner Post Number: 29 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 66.179.93.98 |
You guys put him BACK in office after all he was caught doing his first term! What the hell does it matter what he does now? So what if GM gave him and everyone in his family a car. It was evidently ok that the taxpayers paid for his wifes Esclade and trips for his family the first time. I dont post much on this site, but this time I have to say SHUT THE F UP. You elected him LIVE WITH HIM. I think he should get all the free ride he can!!! And obviously does!!1 | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 75 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
Thanks Exmotowner for getting this tread back on track. Kwame got my vote the first time, lost it the 2nd time, but since then he has been trying to learn from his mistakes. The News always tends to take a nagative view of Detroit's administration. It has to be that way because they are a Republican- leaning paper and the city has a Democratic government. They have to tow the party line. That said, as was stated before, it is basically a non story for a slow news day. Todays headlines are much more newsworthy. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2828 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 70.237.162.213 |
I don't think I would call taxpayer funded trips to Africa, Florida, Houston, and who knows where else, "learning from his mistakes". I don't think continued abuse of city vehicles qualifies as "learning from his mistakes". I don't think his exploits during Super Bowl parties qualifies as "learning from his mistakes". Is there a positive view of Detroit's administration use of vehicles compared to every other major city? (Message edited by metrodetguy on August 11, 2006) | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 831 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
I think what we need is a little bit of RELATIVE comparison in order to get some understanding. Is "Detroit's administration use of vehicles" any better than in previous administrations? Let's stop comparing with other cities...that is fruitless (things will always work differently here) I could be wrong but I'd guess they are better than the first term, and better than archer and coleman! Anyone with some facts regarding archer's or young's administrations? Yay! I LOVE IT. KEEP IT COMING! LOSER! | ||
Swingline Member Username: Swingline Post Number: 565 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 172.131.131.73 |
Exmotowner, thanks for the post. It was smart of you to leave Detroit behind and it is OK to revel and feel prideful for doing so. Even though you're no longer here, we value your wisdom and acumen so it really would be a good thing if you could post more often. | ||
Exmotowner Member Username: Exmotowner Post Number: 30 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 152.163.100.8 |
Swingline, I do not "revel" in the fact that I had to leave Detroit and I sure as hell am not "prideful" that I do not live there anymore. Im homesick as hell and cant wait for the chance to come home for a while. When I left I was offered a great opprotunity and would have been a fool not to take it. As far as the Mayor goes. I tell people the same thing when they start ragging on BUsh. You put the SOB back in office, Shut the F up. But elected officials like BUSH are the reason this country is in the shape its in and officials like KK are the reason Detroit is in the shape its in. But if they get re-elected. Its time to sit down and shut up about it. You dont like the way he is doing things. Get off your ass and work for the guy you think will do the best job in the next election. That being said as a closing note. I love the D., and miss it very much and I stick up for it EVERY chance I get. Thanks | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2391 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.54.234 |
More Kilpatrick bashing probably most of it by suburbanites like Metrodetguy. Get over yourselves your "saviour" lost. Very few Detroiters can argue against all the good things that are happening in the city. This Kilpatrick bashing is stupid and as far as I am concerned deep rooted racism against an africam american man running a city. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 82 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
quote: This Kilpatrick bashing is stupid and as far as I am concerned deep rooted racism against an africam american man running a city. ______________________________ ___________________ I agree that the Kilpatrick bashing is stupid, but I think your assertions on the racism is a little off base. What was the bashing of Archer, people saying he was not black enough. That was racism, abiut of a different kind. Any clown who wants to, can find racism in every person. Even where it doesn't exist, jokers will create it. Not to bag on you Ild, but as I've stated before, when people play the race card where it doesn't apply, it only hurts the people and times where it really is present. You have to ask yourself "am I part of the problem, or am I part of the solution?" | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4122 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18 |
I think Ilovedetroit is half right. Most of the people on this board in particular that criticize Mayor Kilpatrick are: 1. Individuals who live outside the city, most in suburban Detroit. 2. The same individuals who have shown themselves vehemently opposed to AA, and any and every show or ethnic pride. 3. The same individuals who regularly/semi-regularly make off color remarks, and bash the city whenever they can. 4. The same individuals who do nothing more than wax poetic about the "good ole days" of Detroit. 5. The same individuals all to conveniently silent when Mayor Kilpatrick and the council do right by the city. Put all of those together, and I think it you could see why some would be suspicious and defensive. One can legitimately criticize the mayor, but when you see the same people who've been out for Kwame since day 1, you have to start separating the legitimate cricitisms from the illegimate criticisms. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 87 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
Well, I can't argue with that logic. Especialy in regaurds to the suburbanites who love to wax poetic about the good old days of Detroit. If the 50's were the good old days because you could leave your doors unlocked, what were they for the blacks who dared venture into the upper white neiborhoods? Taken a step further back, in the 20's, I'm sure Dr. Ossian Sweet wouldn't think of them as the good old days. Especialy as he was defending his home from the hostal neighbors gathering menecinly out front. Ask many old time blacks, and they will tell you their "roaring 20's was in the 60's on 12th Street before the riots of 67. I guess everybody has a different idea of what "the good old days" of Detroit were. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2829 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.221.68.144 |
OK Lmich, let's examine the motivations of Kilpatrick supporters and likewise be "suspicious and defensive". Also let's examine the motivations of some forumers who take sides depending on their like/dislike of other forumers, rather than the actual issue at hand. Likewise, let's see why someone would be "suspicious and defensive" of those individuals. Kilpatrick supports such as "Ilovedetroit" and Quinn have made varying claims about their race, gender, income level, occupation, political affiliations, event attendance, etc. Furthermore those two attacked Archer, Hendrix, members of the media, etc with false claims (one so outrageous that it made the mainstream news) and hate-filled name-calling. And don't forget that some people will say or do anything to protect their city jobs and/or contracts. Another reason to be "suspicious and defensive" of their defense of Kilpatrick. Again, "Ilovedetroit" you are the only one that has claimed to be White and a suburbanite. So once again you're completely lying when you try to label me as such. Again, reason to be "suspicious and defensive" of your motivations. | ||
Exmotowner Member Username: Exmotowner Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
Ok. Weve turned this into a political bashing thread. To get back on the subject. After some thought, If GM wants to give the mayor of Detroit a hot ride, Why not? After all he is the elected mayor of the MOTOR CITY. And he SHOULD have a nice ride! Its not costing the city a dime so lets not begrudge him the ride! Ask your self this question? If you were the mayor and GM was going to give you a new Escalade every year... Would you take it? You bet your sweet ass I would! Sorry for any "Bashing" that I did, after rethinking this on I was wrong. Even if he wasnt my pick for mayor. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2393 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.54.234 |
Exmotowner - Thank you for the mind change...it takes a big person to rethinkg a position and change it. Metro - I have never said I lived in the suburbs...I dont know why you keep up the silly dribble. I think you just feel bad that you live in the burbs and want to bash city dwellers. Give it up loser and keep your nasty attitude in Novi or wherever you live. | ||
Jimg Member Username: Jimg Post Number: 685 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
ILoveDetroit and Metrodetguy - do either of you live in the city of Detroit? | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 832 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 69.242.213.101 |
I know ILD and he does live in the city. I do too, but it won't matter what anyone says: Metro is insane. I suspect metro lives in novi...have suspected for a long time. He never refutes my suspicion, nor does he say where in the city he lives. I believe, because he doesn't know his as$ from a hole in the ground when it comes to Detroit proper. (mental image of metro googling a detroit map to make something up...quick metro quick!) | ||
Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 263 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 66.174.92.164 |
This is a non-issue. The cost of this vehicle is limited to gas. No reason why he shouldn't take advantage of GM's offer, which every Mayor in Detroit has for the last 20 years. We bitch if he spends money on a car, we bitch if he doesn't. Good grief, if we are going to criticize everything, let's at least limit ourselves to legitimate criticism. I keep hearing a little prankster calling out "Wolf! Wolf!" | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2394 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.54.234 |
Jimg- I am a proud resident of the City of Detroit...have been for many years. There are several people on here who know me and that is why no one else ever accuses me of living in the burbs other than Metro...I honestly don't know why he keeps saying that he is kind of like a minah bird just keeps chirping nonsense. | ||
Jimg Member Username: Jimg Post Number: 686 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 152.163.100.8 |
I think it's wonderful that so many folks feel a degree of ownership in the city's future: emotionally, physically, or culturally. Spirited debate is a good thing. But to me living in the city is the real deal, it says "this is mine and I will put my money where my mouth is". I haven't lived in Det for many years which is why I feel that my opinions about its leadership or what direction it should take are not particularly relevant. At the end of the day, Detroit's residents will select their leaders and may vote on other crucial issues. And I will respect their choices. But that's just my opinion, lol... | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2831 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 75.10.19.115 |
The issue isn't GM loaning the Mayor of Detroit a vehicle for city business. The issue is use of the car for personal business (and we all know that Kilpatrick has a track record of abuse of city resources, not to mention added fuel costs for use that is not related to city business) and use of the car by someone other than the mayor. The issue is also the continued practice of an excessive vehicle stipends and/or vehicles for select city workers. Also, the issue is that Kilpatrick said these practices would stop, and once again that turns out not to be true. Jmig, I live in the City of Detroit. When "Ilovedetroit" first joined the forum ("oddly" within minutes of his/her friend Quinn...and "oddly" enough with the exact same stories of randomly meeting each other...and "oddly" enough with the exact same stories bashing Hendrix then others) he/she claimed to live in the suburbs (Huntington Woods/Pleasant Ridge/Ferndale). Furthermore, "Ilovedetroit" (and Quinn but not quite to the same degree) has made varying claims about his/her gender, race, residence, sexual preference, occupation, income level, event attendance, political affiliations, etc. Bottom line, those two clowns have made other outrageously bogus claims about political candidates, media, and forumers alike, and they have ZERO credibility and are complete phonies. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 833 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 69.242.213.101 |
Well says you metdet...but you are a pinhead. |
