  Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 623 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
There is alot of green space on the east side over by GP. Did alot of that burn out in 67 or just slowly over time, and how close did the rioting come to Grosse Pointe if it did at all. (I do realize the majority of rioting was on 12th) | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4111 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18 |
I'd hardly call it "green space," especially by the current definition of the word. lol | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 625 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
ha, ok open land. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 2604 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.105.195 |
Chitaku, much of the neighborhood in that area was made of homes made of wood (not only frame, but exterior). So they didn't hold up as well as brick homes. Now that said, there were other factors as well... | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 302 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 69.212.61.25 |
???????^^^^ Huh? | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4114 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18 |
I was thinking the same thing, Futurecity. | ||
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 92 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 152.163.100.8 |
Burn up in 1967??? Learn your history! The riot was a west-side thing. People have turned the riots into this city-wide happening and that simply was not the case. | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 1390 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 216.203.223.85 |
Eastsiders happened to it. | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 232 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.18.137 |
Quote: "Burn up in 1967??? Learn your history! The riot was a west-side thing." From Rutgers: "Looting and fires spread through the Northwest side of Detroit, then crossed over to the East Side." http://www.67riots.rutgers.edu /d_index.htm From the official report: "General Throckmorton immediately took command of all the military forces. He ordered the deployment of Regular U.S. Army forces into the eastern half of the city, with the responsibility for the western half assigned to the Michigan National Guard." If there was no rioting there, there wouldn't have been a need for troops there. Indeed, from the same report: Mr. Phillips agreed to open a temporary office in the riot-torn 12th Street area, to consider opening an additional office in the most heavily damaged area on the east side, to supplement his personnel in the Detroit area..." http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/J ohnson/archives.hom/oralhistor y.hom/Vance-C/DetroitReport.as p Finally, from the Time Magazine article at the time: Some 5,000 thieves and arsonists were ravaging the West Side. Williams Drug Store was a charred shell by dusk. More than one grocery collapsed as though made of Lincoln Logs. A paint shop erupted and took the next-door apartment house with it. In many skeletal structures the sole sign of life was a wailing burglar alarm. Lou's Men's Wear expired in a ball of flame. Meantime, a mob of 3,000 took up the torch on the East Side several miles away. The Weather Bureau's tornado watch offered brief hope of rain to damp the fires, but it never came." http://time-proxy.yaga.com/tim e/archive/preview/0,10987,8371 50,00.html?internalid=ACA Truth is, looting and fires spread well up Mack, Cadillac, Van Dyke, etc. It might have started on the West Side, but the East Side saw plenty of riot activity as well. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4116 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18 |
Regardless of where the riots started or spread to, I think it's pretty obvious that they aren't primarily responsible for the near complete emptying out of some of the Far Eastside neighborhoods. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10457 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
East side has always been where the po folk lived, Coleman A Young even said that back in the day. Westside was for those who made it. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 303 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 69.212.61.25 |
"Eastsiders happened to it." That says it all. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 2607 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.105.195 |
OK let me put it a little differently... if you look at neighborhoods on the east side, you will find that the neighborhoods with mostly brick homes are much more intact than neighborhoods with mostly wood homes. It maybe as simple as brick homes are more expensive, so the poorer people moved to the wood homes... Poorer people don't always have the resources to fix them up... so after a long period of time the neighborhoods eventually ended up disappearing... One has to remember that much of the west side had a better stock of houses than the east side (but don't tell Jjaba). (Message edited by Gistok on August 10, 2006) | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 305 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 69.212.61.25 |
So, what you're saying then is "Eastsiders happened to it." | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 1392 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 216.203.223.85 |
I think that most of those wood houses were made with method of construction called balloon framing. Something like 24" centers for the studs, and lots of other things that would never meet modern code, or common sense. Someone more knowledgeable in period construction techniques could better answer this. I still stand by my original statement. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 1247 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 69.130.18.100 |
eastside was never as dense as westside and where exactly are you looking? possibly former industrial area that's been cleaned up? | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 2608 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.105.195 |
LOL no Futurecity... those were displaced westsiders looking for cheap housing...  For an idea of what I mean about cheaper quality housing (and I hope I don't piss off anyone who lives in this area) just look at the specific housing stock in part of the far east side... a triangle shaped neighborhood between Cadieux on the west, Mack on the southeast, and E. Warren on the north. This area has a hodgepodge of smallish ramshackle wood frame homes with wood siding. This neighborhood is surrounded by much better housing... It has the beautiful East English Village neighborhood to the west, the Chandler Park Drive neighborhood of brick homes to the north, and the Grosse Pointes to the southeast. If some of you who are not familiar with the east side think that ther was some extraordinary circumstance that caused the near total decimation of the lower east side (Conner to the Grosse Pointe Park border), then I have to tell ya that it ain't so. It's only that the housing stock didn't hold up well to "deferred maintenance". Brick homes are relatively maintenance free (except for the roof and eaves). But wood houses need more attention, otherwise the wood rots, and the end result is demolition. Maybe banks are less likely to give up on a brick home than a wood frame one. I don't know? | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 308 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 69.212.61.25 |
If there was merit to your argument (and this is coming from a third generation eastsider), then the streets of wayburn, maryland and lakepointe in grosse pointe park would look the same as the directly adjacent streets in detroit - alter, manistique and philip. As the homes are (were) identical in size, style, age and construction. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 1248 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 69.130.18.100 |
...the big difference being in the household income available for regular maintenance... | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 309 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 69.212.61.25 |
The streets I listed have, until fairly recently, been working class neighborhoods. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4219 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.193.193.49 |
Without any direct Eastside knowledge, what we have here is classic "urban disinvestment" by homeowners and banks. Redlining was a factor where owners in certain neighborhoods couldn't get home improvement loans. Sure, building materials is a factor but it is pointed out that Grosse Pointe has streets just like the Detroit streets and Ferndale and the Westside and Hamtramck have building materials just like the devastated areas. Urban disinvestment by owners and banks. That's why. Ofcourse, some areas were also hit by the 1967 riots and subsequent arsons. jjaba, the truth. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 4759 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229 |
Chitaku, There are some homes are being built up among the green vacant lots in the Morningside community along Detroit/Snobbyville border. Maraboro St. near Chalmers is now a gentrified neighborhood filled with newer homes from the $200s from Mack Ave. to Kerchaval. And other new homes along Wayburn St. up to E. Warren Ave. Also the area is getting some nice retail stores on the corner of Mack Ave. and Alter Rd. So its not too bad. The organization U-snap back is doing a wonderful job turn a 30 year black and blighted Detroit ghettohood into a nice well kept up hip cool gentified community. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 2609 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.90.124 |
Futurecity, I had a buddy who lived on Maryland in GPP. If you own a house there with an unkept yard, a house with peeling paint, or an unrepaired porch, and Grosse Pointe Park will slap you with fines and tickets faster than you can blink. But not in Detroit... | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 628 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 70.236.144.14 |
Harper Woods is the same way about fines. | ||
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch Post Number: 1787 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 208.44.117.10 |
2 reasons: Crack and rental vs. owner occupied. And with rental the difference between blocks/areas that allowed section 8 and other publicly funded rentals and those that were deed restricted. | ||
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed Post Number: 431 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 209.220.229.254 |
New construction is not gentrification by definition. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 310 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 68.255.236.97 |
Dab - So what you are saying then is "it's the people"... | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 525 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 70.229.231.102 |
An important factor in the demise of the housing stock on the east side can be found in the FHA/HUD housing scandal of the 1960's. That and the riots (when the tanks rolled down Mack Ave and everyone who could leave determined to get their family out) which is recounted in the New York Times. See fourth paragraph that identifies Detroit as a victimized city. The east side was very hard hit by this episode. "In a five-year period in the late 1960's and early 70's, the Bushwick neighborhood of Brooklyn was transformed from a neatly maintained community of wood houses into what often approached a no man's land of abandoned buildings, empty lots, drugs and arson. Its largely Italian and German working-class residents fled in droves, and under the most arduous conditions, a new population of black and Hispanic people took their place. Many stores, schools and churches closed. Little of widespread positive impact opened. Broad economic and social conditions help explain the change that afflicted many neighborhoods. But in Bushwick and many of its sister communities in Brooklyn, there was also a more immediate cause - a $200 million Federal Housing Administration mortgage scandal. That scandal - as with others at the time that affected such cities as Newark, Philadelphia and Detroit - was remarkably similar to a pattern of fraud that Federal investigators said last month that they had found in several cities, including Camden, N.J.; Houston, Seattle and Milwaukee. Large Number of Defaults Both in the 70's and 80's, real-estate operators used payoffs, ruses and fraudulent statements to secure inflated amounts of F.H.A. mortgage insurance for hundreds of clients, overwhelmingly lower-income members of minority groups who stood little chance of meeting mortgage payments on their often dilapidated houses. In many cases, prosecutors charged, the ''clients'' were fictitious. The results have been huge numbers of defaults that have left the real-estate operators collecting millions of dollars in insurance payments from the Federal Government, while hundreds, if not thousands, of families have lost their dreams of owning homes, as their houses, in already hard-pressed neighborhoods, fell vacant. The Brooklyn scenario, which Federal prosecutors estimated led to 5,000 vacant houses and defaults on mortgages totaling $100 million in 1968 and a similar amount in 1970 and 1971, was repeated in so many other cities that it became an issue in the 1972 Presidential campaign. If the experience of Bushwick and such other Brooklyn communities as East New York, Brownsville, Sunset Park, Bedford-Stuyvesant and Crown Heights is an indication, the worst effect of the current scandals will not be an expected $25 million loss to the Government, but the damage wrought on struggling neighborhoods and families of moderate incomes that had aspired to own their own homes. ''Hundreds of buildings became vacant in Bushwick because of the F.H.A. scandal, and those vacant buildings often ended up burning, ended up as havens for squatters and drug addicts, ended up having to be demolished,'' said David Feingold, deputy director of the Bushwick office of the City Department of Housing and Neighborhood Preservation. He estimated that 500 of the 12,000 buildings in the area had been affected. In Brooklyn, the problem often began with neighborhood blockbusting. At a time of great racial tension, real-estate operators would buy a house in a largely white neighborhood, such as Bushwick once was, rent or sell it to a black family, and try to create community panic by leaving calling cards in mailboxes. The cards included the operator's telephone number and, in the case of Bushwick, such messages as, ''Houses wanted, cash waiting,'' and, ''Don't wait until it's too late!'' Frequently, the houses were sold by their longtime inhabitants to the real-estate companies for a fraction of their value. The companies then sold the houses to working-class minority-group members for several times their worth. On March 3, 1969, according to real-estate records, the family of the late Ludwig Schaefer sold a small house at 317 Evergreen Avenue to a real-estate company for $6,000, even though Mr. Schaefer had paid $10,000 when he had bought it nine years earlier. Nine days later, the company sold the house to Agapito Matos of the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn for $20,000. The deal was closed at the Hempstead, L.I., address of the Eastern Service Corporation, one of the largest East Coast mortgage-lending companies and one that prosecutors said was at the heart of the F.H.A. scandal." | ||
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch Post Number: 1788 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 208.44.117.10 |
No. It's the slumlords who don't take care of their property, realize that they will never get the return on incremental maintenance that could could be just cash flowing their property till its utter demise. And then have somebody burn it for what you could've gotten on a sale had you maintained the property and then sold it when you wanted to monetize the investment. THe section 8 thing was only to say that these semi-funded programs only made slum lords all the more capable of not keeping up their property. They didn't ahve to get real tenants on the open market, they could just get with the program and charge some guaranteed rates. That is the side of the story that is discussed, debated, and portrayed enough. The renters have nothing to do with it. They are just renters. Ironically, the demise of much east side housing stock and the rise of crack happened around the same time (mid-late 80's). Each exacerbated the other. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4223 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.193.193.49 |
Thanks Southwestmap. This was an excellent post and does explain things to us. Block busting has been a fixture in changing Detroit neighborhoods for a long time. jjaba remembers it well. jjaba on the Westside. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 632 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 70.236.144.14 |
Bushwick is the new big area in Brooklyn, it's still a bit rough but alot of the hipsters are moving in. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4225 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.193.193.49 |
We'll have to tour Bushwick. Thanks. There's plenty to see in Brooklyn, which, by itself, would be America's 4th largest city. jjaba. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 313 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 68.255.236.97 |
Eastsiders went "eastside" on their neighborhood. And continue to do so. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4226 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.193.193.49 |
Good one, futurecity. And your 313 post. That's great karma. Place a bet somewhere. You'll win tonight. jjaba, Proudly Westside. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 4773 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 198.111.165.50 |
Focusonthed, Gentrification is happening now at Mack and Alter Rd. Drop in property values to a future developer, new homes, and a new higher property prices. That's is the symptoms. Based on Mr. Furious, a black investor who owns a operates a loan agency in Crenshaw St. in South Central L.A. in 1990 explain to his son and friend that gentrification of any black or minority communities will be possible if a minority community has no unity to keep up with the property values of any dwelling or retail buildings. And its happening now starting at Watts community in L.A. once a blighted black community with a history of the 1965 riots now a hip cool full blown mostly Mexican and Hispanic community with its own racial gangs to flush out the black gangs. Blacks today in Watts are slowly moving to the L.A. Suburb of Compton, Long Beach, and up to South Central's Crenshaw districts and Inglewood. I agree with Southwestmap's thesis, It's amazing that Brooklyn Bushwick community went a nice well kept up white neigborhood to a black and blighted ghettohoods by means of real estate blockbusting scandals. This to may happen in Detroit's ghettohoods. Dabirch, You're counter arguments is not sufficient enough to debate against Southwestmap's reason it's more than just slumlords running the real estate show. | ||
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 68.251.226.232 |
Questions: Chitaku, what area specifically are you talking about? I'd like to know. What does it mean when someone writes this? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What is section 8? | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4119 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18 |
I just took it that by Eastside, he meant the Far Eastside, and specifically the area were there are literally a handful of houses left per block. | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 1396 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 66.19.22.88 |
Here's a map, that I added a bit of color to, from the Freep's Detroit Almanac, showing the extent of the 67 Riots.  | ||
Nedab3 Member Username: Nedab3 Post Number: 94 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 216.96.58.127 |
Does anybody have pictures of the new houses on Wayburn. I was there 2 yrs ago when they just started building them. 4798 was a great place to live in the 40's and 50's. A wood house should last as long as brick. I now live in a 100+ yr old wood house in Nebraska. No major problems. Our house on Wayburn would still be there if it had been maintained. Vandalism destroyed it. I could send pictures if I could find them. | ||
Thecarl Member Username: Thecarl Post Number: 913 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.14.30.175 |
i've wondered the same question myself - why was the east side so hard-hit with abandonment and demise? without a doubt, the concentration of manufacturing and processing facilities in that area is a factor. property values are enhanced by tree-lined medians, cul-de-sacs, and neighborhood parks. property values are diminished by loud, smelly, toxic facilities that violate the senses 24/7, as found in many east-side neighborhoods. | ||
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch Post Number: 1793 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 208.44.117.10 |
Actually, my post was in response to the previous post, asking me a specific question. I am in full agreement with SWmaps post -- and in fact, when referring to "section 8", was by implication referring to HUD scandal. They are hand in hand. The section 8 and HUD programs are what allowed the slumlords to make money at their deterioration game. We were making a very similar argument. | ||
Daveg725 Member Username: Daveg725 Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 66.84.209.156 |
I used to live over on Sylvester (for those unfamiliar, Mack/Warren or Southeastern high school would be the major identifiers). I left for college in 1999--and every year I come back, it's infinitely worse. There are about 6 houses left on my block--but the WHOLE neighborhood is just gone to hell. I came back a few weeks ago and the grass in the fields was up to my chest! (I'm 6'6"). I wanna know what happened around there and if there's any plans to revitalize that area at all. My grandmother lives there and I'd assume I'm the person who will end up getting the house when she passes (oh lord). | ||
220hendrie1910 Member Username: 220hendrie1910 Post Number: 36 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 20.137.2.50 |
I suppose this should be a lesson to anyone buying in a boom market. If you look into the City of Detroit Web site's property database, which gives survey and construction details, you'll find that many tract developments of the 1920s have suffered abandonment and demolition. The same is true to a lesser degree in cities such as Chicago and Cleveland. These houses became outmoded in terms of materials, fixtures, and size at about the time they had naturally aged to the point of needing renovation. Just after that, the employment base began to shrink, causing population loss, and the result was pretty much inevitable. No wonder city fathers are always preaching growth; consider the alternative. Urban-studying in Ottawa. | ||
Swingline Member Username: Swingline Post Number: 564 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 172.145.179.120 |
Ordinary, to answer your question, Section 8 is a federal-funded public assistance that provides rent-supplements to low income families. SWmap's article descibes the Brooklyn version of what is perhaps this city's most shameful racist scandal. Dozens and dozens of real estate companies engaged in blatant block busting in Detroit in the 60's and 70's. Families lacking the financial resources, the experience, and yes, often without any interest to succeed in responsible homeownership were installed in neighborhoods throughout the city. The racist attitudes of the existing residents coupled with the homeownership challenges faced by the new residents spelled lightning quick disaster. Entire blocks would turn over ownership in the space of 3-5 years with the neighborhood household income declining by 50% or more. Any wooden home can go from a showplace to an eyesore in less than 10 years without regular maintenance and this happened all over the eastside. | ||
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary Post Number: 35 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 69.212.124.103 |
Swingline, thanks for your answer. I went and re-read swmap's post and it makes a lot of sense. I used to hang around in the E. Warren and Beaconsfield area and that area became very scary in a hurry. I wonder if that area was involved. It seems that every time the government gets involved in something like this, no matter how well-intentioned, it becomes a money grab for unscrupulous bastards. Somebody always manages to figure out how to beat the system. What happened to all the people that were displaced by the Poletown plant? This seemed like the same kind of deal. | ||
Vato7959 Member Username: Vato7959 Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 204.174.64.35 |
Having live on Manistique and Kercheval on the East Side from 1968 thru 1974 I saw first hand how these beautiful homes were vandalized and finally demolished after the renters moved out. This process steamrolled the entire area as one neighbor would move out then it would take less than a month before drug addicts would steal whatever metal they could sell and ripped out the stain glass windows and they would have parties in the basement. Unfortunately, Coleman Young was mayor at this time and it seemed that the east side was being punished since they didn't vote for him for mayor. The police would not respond to repeated calls on vandals and usually the problem was resolved by the fire department when they showed up to put out the fire started by the addicts. The burnt out shell was bulldozed into the basement. This process continued as more family fled to the suburbs or across Atlar to Grosse Pointe. The 67 Riots were a factor in the flight to the suburbs but the mismanagement by City of Detroit was the cause of the destruction of the East Side. Glad they are finally trying to rebuild. I guess you have to hit rock bottom first | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 652 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
was Kwame an Eastsider? I know he mentions the east side alot. | ||
Neilr Member Username: Neilr Post Number: 324 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.60.139.212 |
He grew up on the Westside on LaSalle Blvd., just south of LaSalle Gardens Park, one of Detroit's most lovely streets. I believe that his mom still lives there (when she's not in D.C.). | ||
Janesback Member Username: Janesback Post Number: 21 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.152.227.186 |
does anyone know the locations of the homes that Barry Gordy supposedly "gave" to the Supremes? Strange question I asking ,but my mom is a Diana Ross fanatic, and she always would talk about Detroit, MoTown, Barry Gordy. She found a site about Florence Ballard, and it has a few photos of her house when she had money, and how she had to move to a smaller house when she lost her money. Florence Ballard, Mary Wilson and Diana Ross were the Supremes. Also, she asked me to see if there were any photos of Diana Ross's house, of any MoTown singers homes. Again this is for my mom, lol. NOT ME.......I wasnt even born until the early 80s, so this is truly for her, not me. Thanks for all the information, you guys sure know your neighborhoods. We love reading your stories........ Jane | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 653 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
Not sure where the houe is but I think Diana grew up around what is now the I-75 Mack area? I could be wrong, this is a faint memory of my mom telling me about it on a tour of Detroit with her. | ||
Janesback Member Username: Janesback Post Number: 22 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.152.227.186 |
Chitaku, thanks. There is a picture of the Supremes in fur coats standing in front of the Brewster projects, smiling for the camera. I don't think Diana has good standing with some in Detroit, esp when Flo died penniless, but then again, Diana had nothing to do with that. I do know they have a new photo of the "new" Brewster projects. Again, thanks for the reply..Jane | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 388 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 4.229.12.151 |
Jane: if you read Mary Wilson's book Dreamgirls she talks about where they all moved when they hit it big. Off the top of my head, I don't remember the street name. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 655 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
Diana is a rotten bitch by the way, especially when she toured as the Supremes in 2001/2? with 2 new ladies. | ||
Neilr Member Username: Neilr Post Number: 326 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.60.139.212 |
Janesback, when Motown became successful, Berry Gordy moved into a Mies van der Rohe townhouse in Lafayette Park. Diana Ross lived at 1300, and Stevie Wonder had an apartment in Regency Square (now called Parc Lafayette), also in Lafayette Park. In the mid-60's, Marvin Gaye lived in a big, modern ranch house on West Outer Drive (I think on the SW corner of Prairie) several blocks west of Livernois. Berry Gordy bought his father a handsome red brick ranch house further out on West Outer Drive. After leaving Lafayette Park, Berry Gordy moved to what is still known as the Gordy Mansion on the NE corner of Boston Blvd. and Hamilton. For a time, Diana Ross also maintained an apartment at the Pierre on 5th Avenue in NYC. |
