  Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 597 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
THE title says it all. Just went for a bike ride with m' lady and noticed it. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 137 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 68.62.6.138 |
Really? Ah well, it was always silly to have a whale there when the nearest ocean in thousands of miles away. :P | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 151 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 64.131.176.232 |
The nearest ocean isn't more than a thousand miles... | ||
Hysteria Member Username: Hysteria Post Number: 964 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 152.163.100.8 |
I don't see this as being negative. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 135 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
They must have done it today because I went past it last night and the whale was still up. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 1080 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137 |
interesting... well, ill be the first to ask, photos??  | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 598 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
im not advanced enough for a digital cam. I was ridin around warped tour yesterday and the whale was still there. I disliked the whale a whole lot, but the add is really tacky. I imagine someone will have pics. | ||
Shark Member Username: Shark Post Number: 242 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 69.208.242.76 |
So are the whales. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 599 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
yeah but the add is reeaally tacky! There's some wierd looking cartoon guy on it. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6481 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.136.149.133 |
I noticed that the Pontiac "Welcome Back to the Motor City" mural overlooking CM is being replaced. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 1081 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137 |
good..... | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 1112 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 68.60.45.70 |
Pennant Fever; Catch it!! (Thanks.) (Message edited by PSIP on July 30, 2006) | ||
Burnsie Member Username: Burnsie Post Number: 531 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 35.12.24.119 |
There are some really weird spellings in this thread. It's ad, not add. And it's pennant, not pendant. | ||
Pmardo Member Username: Pmardo Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.40.90.112 |
Chitaku, let's take a bike ride. | ||
Wmuchris Member Username: Wmuchris Post Number: 361 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.246.19.24 |
Pictures here http://hotfudgedetroit.com/php BB/viewtopic.php?t=1936 | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 1357 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 216.203.223.93 |
Don't be pedantic. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 1935 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.221.37.169 |
Bad looking advertisement, but the money will speed up the renovations of the Broderick, or at least should. It changes the identity of that building a lot. When they start marketing the condos that will be there, I think the fact that there are giant ads on the side of the building may take away from some of the prestige. Maybe not? | ||
Kilgore_south Member Username: Kilgore_south Post Number: 132 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 24.176.20.117 |
I'd assume that when/if the building ever has tenants in it, they will stop putting gi-normous ads on the side. But for the time being, good on DCX for spending a few bucks so the masses at CoPa can see their tacky ad. | ||
Oliverdouglas Member Username: Oliverdouglas Post Number: 29 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 69.209.145.48 |
The whales were painted by a Detroit artist named Weyland. His whale murals are all over the world and quite famous. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 601 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
Weyland went to CCS and hates Detroit and CCS, so i've heard. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 1085 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137 |
Wyland went to school in Brighton, where his mom still teaches. He currently lives in Florida. | ||
Deputy_mayor_2026 Member Username: Deputy_mayor_2026 Post Number: 107 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
MCMs right about the artist, I don't know where Chitaku came up with the random rumors. I liked the painting and think the ad sucks, but if it raises money for the loft renovations then it is probably worth it. I hope they can remove it one day and the painting can once again be exposed, although, this is not very probable. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 602 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.136.147.97 |
The rumors, and I did state they were rumors, were from a friend who is a ccs alum | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 2257 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 72.134.37.149 |
Wyland went to HS in Madison Hts. (Lamphere?) and visits his alma mater periodically. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 3570 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.47.100.44 |
I have no idea where Chitaku gets these rumors either considering Wyland was just given an honorary degree from CCS just a few months ago. He was also given a tour of the campus by the powers-that-be there after the graduation. Prior to that he had a huge lecture on the campus with his painted whale semi-trailer parked behind the DIA. So consider those rumors bogus here and now. | ||
Thnk2mch Member Username: Thnk2mch Post Number: 214 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 71.65.11.152 |
The wierd cartoon guy is a bobblehead. DCX is using that guy and a few others in new commercials. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 91 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 35.8.144.6 |
I've heard that the ad is just temporary, and will the whales will reappear after the ad's time runs out. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6487 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
The new billboard over the whale mural was opposed by the City of Detroit Historic District Commission, which turned down the application three times because it violates several pieces of the code for the Lower Woodward and Grand Circus Park historic districts. The State appeals court overturned the local decision. The petitioner was of course the same landholder that is letting the Broderick and the Farwell rot. I wondering if we'll hear from our Preservation Coalition regarding this egregious violation that places a 2 acre billboard on the side of a historic building looming over the tax payer financed restoration of the Detroit Opera House. ( The billboard is 87,000 square feet. One acre = 43,500 square feet. One could build 12 or more townhomes on the space it covers.) | ||
Aiw Member Username: Aiw Post Number: 5731 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.216.150.127 |
Good, I hate looking at those fucking whales. People on this forum are really slipping. First Hotfudge scoops the Lindel AC demo, now they're first with (a really crappy mind you) photo of the Whale ad. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 95 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.171.81.130 |
How are the owners allowing the BT to rot when a lot of money has already been spent in the process of getting the building renovated? The money from the advertisement will help with the costs of renvating the building. It may not look pretty but would you rather have an empty building for the next couple of years or the advertisement that comes with a building that will be alive in just over a year from now? | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 222 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.148.213.218 |
Quote: "How are the owners allowing the BT to rot when a lot of money has already been spent in the process of getting the building renovated?" There hasn't been a single thing done to renovate the building. Throwing up a sign advertising lofts does not qualify as renovation work. | ||
Deandub11 Member Username: Deandub11 Post Number: 37 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
agreed....the building continues to look like complete crap...thats never going to get done | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 96 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.171.81.130 |
So all the pre-engineering work and architectural work and all the RFQ's for contractors and all the work to get tax abatements and loans means no work has been done. Riiiight, you have no idea. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 2039 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
I'm not sure you should be commenting on crappy photos. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6489 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
Merch, you know AIW's a mod, right. One crook of his finger and your posting name could be "laceypanties." | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 94 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 35.8.144.6 |
I was not a big fan of the whales, but I gotta say I'm not a fan of this ad. Thanks to Comerica Park, "The Whale Building" has become somewhat of an icon in Detroit, regardless of what us locals think. I'll be happy to see this ad come down at the end of it's tenure. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 2040 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Of course I knew that Itsjeff but if I didn't make comments like that I wouldn't be Merch. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6490 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
The more pressing issue is that a precedent is being set that developers do not have to conform to the standards of the historic district guidelines and that the decisions of the HDC can be overridden in the name of destroying the historic character of the building and the district simply to generate advertising dollars. The silence of the coalition does not reflect their "presumption of preservation" rhetoric. Interesting that the Kales, Book Cadillac, Lofts of Woodward, Merchants Row, 600 Woodward and many others have not had to resort to this sort of advertising to generate revenue to complete their projects. BTW, there is NOTHING that obligates the developer to actually use the money for the redevelopment of the building. They have only said they "intend" and "plan" to use the cash for pre-development. We'll see if it actually comes through. From what I understand, the current estimate for redevelopment costs are 25-35% below what other developers, who have actually completed similar deals in the city, have pegged the price at. Otherwise, if it doesn't happen all the cash flows to the building ownership.......... | ||
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster Post Number: 1734 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.250.205.35 |
I'm just happy something interesting happened in town that we can talk about. | ||
Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine Post Number: 184 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 64.7.170.83 |
Yesterday in Chicago, I noticed a Wyland mural getting covered up...except with a parking structure. How Detroitlike. http://static.flickr.com/64/20 2949309_366136a0e7.jpg | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 97 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.171.81.130 |
"Interesting that the Kales, Book Cadillac, Lofts of Woodward, Merchants Row, 600 Woodward and many others have not had to resort to this sort of advertising to generate revenue to complete their projects." With the exception of the BC, the sizes of these developments are much smaller than the BT and you can't make the comparison. Anything to help continue the project is a good thing. You would be surprised at how little of a dent the advertising money puts into the overall project. Regardless, the project is currently happening and will be completed and it will be the finest high rise in Michigan. | ||
7milekid Member Username: 7milekid Post Number: 146 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.61.163.99 |
Those whales are the stupidest thing ever, i wish they would put something to cover it up permanently, i mean cmon seriously, that shit is just plain hokey. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6492 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
Anything to help continue the project is a good thing. You would be surprised at how little of a dent the advertising money puts into the overall project. So violating the zoning codes for a historic district and adversely impacting neighbors who do abide by the rules is a "good thing"? Interesting your claim about the advertising money. The developer and his team stated repeatedly that if they did not have the advertising revenue, the deal fell apart and there was no way it could get done. That is different from "how little of a dent" the money makes. The developer also refused to guarantee that the money went exclusively for rehab. Also now that the permit has been issued as per the states decree, the City has NO WAY to revoke the permit if the redevelopment does not occur. Anybody want to lay bets the sign never comes down and the building doesn't get done? | ||
Pacypacy_ Member Username: Pacypacy_ Post Number: 247 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 69.14.237.82 |
WGAF about a whale? I'd rather have a Jeep than a whale. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 98 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.171.81.130 |
How does a sign adversely impact neighbors? Trust me, the project is not reliant on the advertising revenue. With regards to how long the sign stays up, as of right now, it will be up for five years. Once people buy condo's, it will be up to the condo association as to if they want to sell the space for advertisement. Your betting odds are really bad if you take that bet. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 1945 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 71.144.117.26 |
We've got ads on 1001 Woodward, Cadillac Square apartments, and Cadillac Tower, among others. There is precedent. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6493 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
Trust me, the project is not reliant on the advertising revenue. Then why the hell do they need the ad? Why did they go through the trouble of telling that to the Historic District Commission and going all the way to the state with hat in hand crying and claiming that if the ad was not there, they were unable to complete the deal? Thats what they sold the state on and that was sole crux of their argument in front of the HDC. Either you are misinformed about the financing or the developers were lying through their teeth in a naked grab for cash. Which is it? Go stand in front of the Gem, the DAC, DOH, the DBC and look up at a 18 story billboard in a historic district and tell me that the integrity of the district has not been impacted. With regards to how long the sign stays up, as of right now, it will be up for five years. Once people buy condo's, it will be up to the condo association as to if they want to sell the space for advertisement. That assumes the development is completed and the condos sold and the condo association decides to forfeit the cashflow and drastically raise their condo fees. What happens if the development isn't completed? Do you think the ownership will voluntarily take the sign down after five years? Think again. To replace the developer quoted $600,000 in annual revenue, each one of the 127 residential units would have to charge themselves in excess of $4,700 per year or more than $391 per month to replace the revenue. And that assumes the ownership does not condo out and retain ownership of the wall for it own gain and continued operation of the billboard. Do you really think you will get a majority of 127 residential unit owners to agree to kill that cash cow and pay the fees them selves? | ||
Solarflare Member Username: Solarflare Post Number: 490 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.112.56.3 |
I always thought the whales were cool, but I find whales in general interesting, so... | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 224 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.148.213.218 |
Quote: "So all the pre-engineering work and architectural work and all the RFQ's for contractors and all the work to get tax abatements and loans means no work has been done" Really? Do tell, what's all this architectural work that's been done? If it's not on the exterior, nor in the interior, where exactly is it taking place? | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 3125 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 136.181.195.17 |
Generally, arhcitectural work is done in an architect's office. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 99 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.171.81.130 |
The project is not reliant on the advertising revenue alone. If it was not there, it would still happen. However, it does help. In reality, at this time the ad brings in less than $300,000 per year for the development. | ||
Rsa Member Username: Rsa Post Number: 915 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.212.228.25 |
fyi, all the architectural work has been done and submitted for permits already. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 885 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.54.1 |
Hockey_Player: secretly wishing they had painted Yzerman over the whales. heh. Wyland did go to Lamphere High School on 13 Mile in Madison Heights. My wife did student teaching there and worked with some of his former teachers. He attended Page Middle School on Tawas Street. Wyland did go to Center for Creative Studies. I was there when he came back once for a tour and lecture. And to get it straight, it was his Instructors that hated Wyland, not the other way around. He was given a VIP tour very reluctantly. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 100 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.171.81.130 |
Thanks Hamtramck_steve, you are correct. Every detail needs to spec'ed out and documented. You don't build a home without blueprints and city approval and, and, and. With it being a historical building, things take even longer. Not to mention, if you don’t have the cash to finance a project, it takes work and costs money to obtain the money to finance the project. | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 225 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.148.213.218 |
The distinction is between actual, demonstrable, physical work and the vague "process of getting the building renovated." Higgins' properties are always in the "process" of getting renovated, and all sorts of architectural proposals have been linked to his projects, yet his buildings continue to deteriorate. That's great that plans are being made. The problem is, we've heard years of plans from Higgins about his buildings, yet none of them ever seem to materialize... | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 2514 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.72.175 |
I remember several of the old pics of downtown theatres and buildings that Hornwrecker and others have posted. They show a busy 1920's downtown streetscape absolutely covered with signage all over buildings and rooftops. Several comments were posted on another thread about the Fox Theatre's new rooftop sign, and some folks didn't like it. But again, back in the 1920's the Fox rooftop and those of all the other theatres were also covered in signage. Detroit in the 1920's looked like New York's 42nd Street today, with a plethora of signs and stud lighting (neon came a little later). We are so used to a downtown Detroit void of activity and signage (and occupants)... but in the past signage has been a historic part of downtown. So that begs the question... at what point is it now deemed excessive? (Message edited by Gistok on July 31, 2006) | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 886 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.54.1 |
".. at what point is it now deemed excessive?" Now. The Fudgies got a point too, the skyline on the ad is inverted. "Dr. Z" has been smoking his own dope again. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 1948 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 71.144.117.26 |
That's a good point, Gistok. Commercialism and urban space and architecture often go together. The finest of urban spaces don't have it, though, i.e. small parks like Campus Martius and vicinity. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6494 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
The project is not reliant on the advertising revenue alone. If it was not there, it would still happen. The developers stated to the DHC and to the State that the deal absolutely could not be done without the money from the advertising. So they have lied to public bodies, assuming your information is correct, that is. How comfortable does that make any of us feel about their promises the project will actually get done? Where is the outrage about this from the preservation community? | ||
Designut Member Username: Designut Post Number: 46 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 69.246.46.45 |
Quote: "Weyland went to CCS and hates Detroit and CCS, so i've heard." Weyland gave a great speech at CCS's commencement ceramony this past May at the detroit opera house. So, Chitaku, Although I can appreciate that you did say that your statements are only rumors, I just wanted to further clear up any misconceptions about the guy. Also- didn't GM unsuccessfully try to get this space for an ad a while back? I remember hearing something about Weyland throwing a fit about it. lastly- I'm surprised DCX didn't put up another stupid "Dr.Z" ad. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 791 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
Awesome! Whalin, to me, has always been really OVER HYPED. TOO MUCH ALREADY! I'm so happy that ugly, flaking this is gone. Yipee! | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 101 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.171.81.130 |
I was not part of any court hearing or discussions with regards to getting approval for the ad. I highly doubt ITSJEFF was there also. With that being said, I really do not think it is right to publicly call people liars. Gistok makes some good points. Not having advertising everywhere is nice, but it has been around for a long time. I rather see things progress and if this helps, even better. The sign does not hurt the building physically in any way. The preservationists will be extremely happy once the building is complete. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1613 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 71.211.33.83 |
"The distinction is between actual, demonstrable, physical work and the vague "process of getting the building renovated." Higgins' properties are always in the "process" of getting renovated, and all sorts of architectural proposals have been linked to his projects, yet his buildings continue to deteriorate." That is not what we are talking about here. It's one thing to float an idea, it's another thing to spend half a million or a couple million or some similar large amount on plans for the building. I've seen the plans and specs. Serious engineering money has already been spent. "That's great that plans are being made. The problem is, we've heard years of plans from Higgins about his buildings, yet none of them ever seem to materialize..." Maybe this project won't actually materialize. But this situation really is different. Plans already have been out for bid and bids completed. So a realistic project cost is also now available. Additionally, reports are they are working on tax credits and other pieces of financing and plan to have financing in place this fall. (October is the current estimate.) More serious money... legal money. These are the facts. Like Higgins or not, skeptical of the outcome or not, real work is being done and real progress is occurring. Just because you don't see or know how much work takes place behind the scenes doesn't mean things aren't happening. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 102 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.171.81.130 |
Thanks Llyn. You are correct. I can verify your statements. Lawyers are not cheap. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 97 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 35.8.144.6 |
I'm out of town today for a while, does anyone have a clear picture of this ad, or is the crappy images from hotfudge going to have to sufice? | ||
Messykitty Member Username: Messykitty Post Number: 38 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.21.198.33 |
^^^If you'd take the time to scroll down the HFD page, there are some very clear images. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6495 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
I took some better pics and posted them on the Hotfudge link. | ||
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch Post Number: 1735 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 208.44.117.10 |
Like that time in 1997 or 98 when i gave him a 2 month deposit securing my spot in the beautifully refurbished Farwell building? With that beautiful Tiffany Chandelier in the lobby? | ||
Messykitty Member Username: Messykitty Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.21.198.33 |
That is the most retarded ad I have ever seen. It would make me embarassed if I owned a Jeep Compass. Hey, the whales aren't my tea either, but I have to question the sanity of anyone who would rather look at the two acres of crap that are there now. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6496 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
I assume from Rjlj's response that he is close to the project and is not misspeaking when he says the deal CAN go forward without the sign money. In that case, the developers DID lie, because they stated it could not go forward without the money or that in the very least it only had a 10% chance of happening. If someone lies publicly in order to circumvent a body like the HDC and makes a mockery of historic district guidelines and the US Secretary of Interior Standards, then it is hardly "not right" to call them out on it. It is a DUTY to call them on it. Sorry if that makes anyone feel bad, but you make your bed, you lie in it..... I did not attend any of the meetings but I do know many people who DID attend the HDC meetings and the arguments raised at the HDC meetings are well known. Hell, even Mara McDonald covered the two of the hearings on Channel 4 and repeated the claims made the development team regarding the necessity of the funding. Its not like their claims are not public record and well known, they have been discussed on this forum more than once. There is no need to imply that I don't know what I am talking about when it is public record and well known. There is always the possibility that Rjlj is misspeaking when he says the project is feasible without the dollars.... | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 689 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 12.47.224.7 |
Agreed Messykitty. What Detroit needs to be a real hip downtown is a giant dancing silhouette iPod ad. Now that would really make Detroit a "cool city." ;) | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 103 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.171.81.130 |
The money helps, it covers about 3% of the total cost of the project. I would also say if tax credits were not involved, the project would not happen. Maybe it would not have started without the approval. All I am saying is that if there was not an approval for the sign, people would have pushed to find another way to make up the 3% and the project would not be as far along as it is today. Everyone wants this to happen and when there is a will there is a way. Was ITSJEFF crying when the whales went up? | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 887 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.114.44 |
"Weyland gave a great speech at CCS's commencement ceramony" WYLAND ! CEREMONY ! YES he went to CCS: http://www.colleges.com/admiss ions/collegesearch/college_sea rch.taf?_function=detail&Type= 4&school_id=1100624 http://www.covina.com/ffadgall ery/wyland.htm http://www.kidzworld.com/site/ p2021.htm From: http://www.artbrokerage.com/ar t/wyland/ B. 1956 - The marine wildlife artist, Wyland, was born Robert Wyland in 1956 in Detroit Michigan. He attended the Center for Creative Studies in Detroit majoring in painting and sculpture. Upon graduation, his professors, Jay Holland, Russell Keeter and Bill Gerard, recognized his talent and encouraged him to move to the California coast where he could further develop his art. Wyland who paints in watercolors and oils celebrates underwater sea life in his paintings and bronze sculptures. Wyland is also known for his conservation efforts. In 1981 after being frustrated by his attempts to capture whales on canvas he painted his first public art titled, "Whaling Wall." After garnering media attention for the artwork he embarked on a quest to complete 100 Whaling Walls by 2011 to raise public awareness of sea life. In 1993 he founded the Wyland Foundation to promote and protect ocean resources through life-sized public art, educational programs and support for environmental groups. In 1998 the United Nations proclaimed him official artist for the International Year of the Ocean. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6498 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
So, contrary to the claims made by the developer, the project COULD and WOULD go forward without the sign revenue. That has to give one pause about the true motive behind the sign especially with the previous track record by the buildings owner (see Dabirch's post) AND especially when there are NO obligations for the developer to actually do something with the money AND the high potential for the future condo owners to NOT vote to have the sign removed. Not very forthright and very duplicitous by the development team. The whales went up before the historic district was designated and are not a revenue generating advertising that will be rotating with the City have no control over content or quality of design. Walmart could easily put up one of those damn smiley faces or Deja Vu could easily put up one of their ten pretty girls and one ugly girl ads. This is about integrity and truthfulness. This isn't crying. This is calling out folks who lied to public bodies to erect a 2 acre billboard in the heart of the CBD and a historic district under false pretenses. If the developer and his team can't stand the very mild heat in a not so important forum, they ought not to have made false representations. End of story from my perspective. | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 690 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.20.140.8 |
And Detroit covers his art with a Jeep ad... how tactful... how Detroit. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 104 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.171.81.130 |
Sounds like someone has issues with certain people. I am just glad the project is moving along, crappy ads and all. The bottom line is that downtown really needs people and this great historical building will help bring people down there. I can't wait to see the transformation. I hope ITSJEFF moves into the building so that he can push for the sign removal. Go Tigers | ||
Designut Member Username: Designut Post Number: 50 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 69.246.46.45 |
Mauser - I am an industrial design student - not an english major - my comment was typed in haste so as to defend Mr. W-Y-L-A-N-D. Sorry for the sp. mistakes... | ||
Designut Member Username: Designut Post Number: 51 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 69.246.46.45 |
...also - one of your links refers to CCS as Center for Creative Studies - it became COLLEGE for Creative studies in 2002 | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6499 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.136.149.133 |
This isn't personal and I think it is disingenuous to try to dismiss the facts through such an argument. Yes, the City needs more downtown residents and boy would it be great to see the building rehabbed. (I should know, I have rehabbed my own home here in Detroit). Bottom line, I don't think people should resort to tactics like this in order to accomplish their goals. Po-tay-to po-tah-to..... Lets the facts speak for themselves and lets try to not to make this petty. | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 693 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.20.140.8 |
But Itsjeff, you haven't addressed the urgent need for an iPod ad downtown. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 3584 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.47.100.44 |
Designut, I think Mauser's statement is still correct. Wyland attended CCS when it was still the "Center for Creative Studies- College of Art & Design" and not the College for Creative Studies. | ||
Designut Member Username: Designut Post Number: 54 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 69.246.46.45 |
Smogboy, I'm not disputing that - you are right, it was CENTER when he attended. I was referring to the outdated "colleges.com" link which currently lists the college as Center for Creative Studies. I only did this to counter his petty corrections. Sorry to everyone else- Back to the topic at hand... | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 227 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.18.137 |
Quote: "Sounds like someone has issues with certain people. I am just glad the project is moving along, crappy ads and all." Gee, maybe it's because he's a slumlord who's let once-georgeous buildings rot while floating empty proposal after empty proposal when people start questioning why he's sat on them for so long without doing anything. Quote: "Not to mention, if you don’t have the cash to finance a project, it takes work and costs money to obtain the money to finance the project." If he doesn't have the money after owning it for all these years, sell the fucking thing to someone who will actually do something with it. Ditto Farwell Building. | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 696 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.20.140.8 |
ultra-hip giant iPod ad downtown. | ||
Designut Member Username: Designut Post Number: 55 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 69.246.46.45 |
what he said^^^^^^^^^^^ | ||
Aiw Member Username: Aiw Post Number: 5733 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.92.101.164 |
YAWN... After the Madison-Lenox fiasco, the whole HDC idea was proven to be a farce. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 888 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.54.111 |
Designuts - Im not specifically meaning to be bitchy with you, the forum in general seems incapable of remembering Wylands name, but continues discussing him. Sorta like when everyone kept calling Madison-Lenox, "Madison-Lennox". And yeah, of course the academy became College for Creative Studies - but I didnt go to the new school, so I dont refer to it by its new name in relation to my time there. I graduated from Center for Creative Studies College of Art and Design. More than a semantic difference. Yknow Smogboy, you got me wondering about something I always suspected about Bob Wyland - yeah he ATTENDED ccscad, but did he GRADUATE from there with a degree ??? LOL All he could remember of Jay Hollands class was that Jay threw clay at him. (Jay threw clay at everybody one time or another) And where oh where is LeoQueen during this conversation ? | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 889 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.54.111 |
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Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 890 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.54.111 |
There - so folks dont have to go to the Fudgies for photos. BTW - confirmation from Mrs Mauser, Wyland ATTENDED ccscad, but did NOT get a degree from there. He merely attended some classes. Pblah. The guy dont even have a bachelors ! | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 1951 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 71.144.117.26 |
I really don't get that ad. It's kind of freaky looking. I've seen some classy advertisement from time to time, and it would be nice to have something classy on this space. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 105 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.14.250.85 |
Hockey_player, you can't renovate a building without money. You can't support a building without people or money. You can't sell a building without a buyer. Case in point, the David Stott Building sits empty and for sale, no one has stepped up to buy it. The reasons are so much deeper than what is seen on the surface. | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 146 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.42.220.61 |
the stott building isnt empty...I thought it was occupied office space...emporis lists it as used | ||
Thnk2mch Member Username: Thnk2mch Post Number: 217 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 71.65.11.152 |
Maybe this will explain the ad. ( not why but what ) http://www.jeep.com/en/compass /photos.html?section_num=3 | ||
Hysteria Member Username: Hysteria Post Number: 982 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 152.163.100.8 |
Hysteria:
I regret saying that. The whales actually looked better. The ad is ridiculous. | ||
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen Post Number: 1467 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.122.57 |
I agree. That is not an ad that I would want to have to see for any length of time. If there must be an ad, make it something really classy! | ||
Hysteria Member Username: Hysteria Post Number: 993 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 152.163.100.8 |
Yep. And especially there, Kathleen. | ||
Hagglerock Member Username: Hagglerock Post Number: 282 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 12.214.243.66 |
You call that thing a Jeep? Sheesh! | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 1098 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137 |
The Stott Building is not empty, although it does have fairly low occupancy levels, and is up for sale... now that building would be GREAT for condo use, along with office space | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 228 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.18.137 |
Quote: "you can't renovate a building without money. You can't support a building without people or money. You can't sell a building without a buyer." The once-thoroughly empty Kales Building, right across the street from the Broderick, shows there are buyers out there. The once-empty Merchants Row buildings that are now lofts shows there are buyers out there. Renovations of early 20th century buildings are taking place everywhere around the Broderick, Farwell, etc. Why is the Broderick somehow constrained by the same market forces that these buildings manage to succeed in? From the Detroit News, October 3, 2004: "In the coming weeks, Higgins said he plans to announce a renovation of the 34-story Broderick into 100 loft apartments on the upper floors. For the past four years, he has operated the 120-seat Tavern on the Park restaurant in the Broderick's first-floor space. "We're also looking at redoing a one-story building next door (to the Broderick) into a gourmet market and putting 60 lofts into the Farwell Building (on Shelby overlooking Capitol Park)." Two years now of planning and getting things in order? Does this planning phase ever end? | ||
Designut Member Username: Designut Post Number: 58 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 69.246.46.45 |
Mauser- I will just say this and be done with it. Yes, I misspelled Wyland's name and I appreciate the correction. I didn't see your original post and just wanted to say that what was said about him was untrue, just as you did. I don't particularly care about him or his work, (though I prefer the whales over the ad), but wanted to interject because I'd hope someone would do the same if something untrue was said about me. What I don't appreciate is your condescending attitude towards me. Though I may be relatively young and still a student, I'm not naive. So in the future, please refer to me by my chosen screen name, Designut (without the pluralization) or don't refer to me at all. thanks -Designut (SINGULAR) | ||
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen Post Number: 1470 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.122.57 |
Jeep ad covers Detroit whales, temporarily by Bill McGraw, Detroit Free Press "Two years after a public outcry forced General Motors Corp. to back out of a plan to cover Detroit's beloved whales with a Pontiac advertisement, the whale mural suddenly has vanished behind an ad for the Jeep Compass. The whales -- frolicking in a blue-green sea on the side of the Broderick Tower facing Comerica Park -- have been replaced by images of a Jeep, a dog and a young man. The ad is on a vinyl drape that is lashed to the building over the mural. The Chrysler Group rented the space for a month from the Detroit Media Group, an advertising firm with an office on East Jefferson. Other ads could go up in the space after the Jeep ad comes down, the Detroit Media Group said in a statement Monday. When the space is not rented, the whale mural will be visible. The statement said the process will not harm the mural. It also said the owner of the Broderick Tower is investing much of the income generated from leasing the space into redevelopment of the building." Complete story at: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20060801/NEW S05/608010344/1007/NEWS | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 3589 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.47.100.44 |
At first I was trying to figure out what Jeep campaign this was supporting until I saw the commercials here... http://www.jeep.com/en/compass /photos.html?section_num=3 Doesn't do a thing for me nor does it make me want to buy a Jeep. | ||
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen Post Number: 1471 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 140.244.107.151 |
Excerpted coverage from this week's Detroit Auto Scene (week of July 31) can be found here: http://www.detroitautoscene.co m/ just scroll down the page | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 891 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.69.199 |
Hahahaha ! Yeah, okay. But you ID folks gotta lay off the cheap coffee. . | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 4710 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.230 |
Ok, So it's better to make a mural to ensure folks to buy a gas guzzling automobile than to look at Orca, the killer whale. | ||
Jhole Member Username: Jhole Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2006 Posted From: 24.240.94.139 |
It's been a rough time for Wyland murals in the Midwest. Wolverine pointed out that one is being covered up in Chicago. However, it is not being covered by a parking structure. Rather, it is a 27-story condo tower that contains parking for its future residents. He provided the following image... http://static.flickr.com/64/20 2949309_366136a0e7.jpg In Milwaukee, the courthouse annex that featured a Wyland was also recently demolished, and the city is not eager to see a new mural painted. I don't have a strong feeling about the whales, but it would appear that his art is not meant for immortality. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 794 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
Ew...I was happy until I saw it. Still better than the whalin' wall. | ||
Swingline Member Username: Swingline Post Number: 544 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 172.133.35.237 |
The ad is completely different from the representations made at the HDC. Weren't there limitations on the amount of printed words? The ads were supposed to consist primarily of visual images. That goofy shit they put up is very different. Also, there is no excuse for inverting the skyline. What idiot proofed the damn thing? If Jeep didn't approve the final version, they should demand a replacement. | ||
Outoftowner Member Username: Outoftowner Post Number: 137 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.223.214.2 |
That's right, Danny. Whales are boring. | ||
Aek21 Member Username: Aek21 Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 84.24.188.124 |
from detroitblog >>> Having whale art in downtown Detroit is like having a painting of polar bears on a Miami wall. It’s stupid, frankly, and has the air of that late, softheaded 70s period of weak disco, California weed, and orgies with ugly people. *lol* the guy is a poet... period. (Message edited by aek21 on August 01, 2006) | ||
Artstar Member Username: Artstar Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 69.246.46.45 |
Let me guess, all of you that think whales are boring and irrelevant to the city probably find most of the work in the DIA out-dated as well?? That is honestly the most un-educated opinion I could possibly think of, who cares if whales don't belong in Detroit, or if there isn't a ocean for miles. It is beautiful, and as you see now it is better then an ad. | ||
Messykitty Member Username: Messykitty Post Number: 45 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.21.198.33 |
"That's right, Danny. Whales are boring." I can't believe I am about to type this. I...um...agree with Danny. | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 516 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.246.29.185 |
It's not like you can't find his crap in a 100 different cities, this was just a lame promotion for his gallery. In the end, we just replaced a ugly ad with another ugly ad. | ||
Messykitty Member Username: Messykitty Post Number: 47 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.21.198.33 |
"BUY THIS PRODUCT! YEAH, THE ONE PICTURED HERE. MARKET RESEARCH SAYS BOBBLEHEADS WILL SELL CARS. DOGS, TOO! THEY'RE CUTE. CHICKS DIG 'EM! YOU'RE AN AVERAGE IDIOT, RIGHT? YOU CAN CHECK OUT THIS PRODUCT AT OUR WEBSITE. YEAH THE ONE RIGHT HERE! OH YEAH, WE CARE ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR CITY TO PUT A BACKWARD VIEW OF THE SKYLINE YOU ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT ON IT. YOU'RE STUPID, YOU WON'T NOTICE, RIGHT? BOUNCE ON OVER, CHUMP! RIGHT AFTER THE GAME. SURE THIS TWO ACRE TARP IS TRASHY BUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THIS CITY? IT'S A DUMP. GOD KNOWS I'D NEVER ALLOW THIS WHERE I LIVE." or (swimming whales) Hardly the same thing. | ||
Kristina Member Username: Kristina Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2006 Posted From: 69.136.142.142 |
I swear, if my memory serves me correctly...GM tried to buy the space a couple years ago - the news made it a big fuss about it. It wasn't even mentioned this time. I actually kind of liked the whales. They were, you know, quirky and akward. Thought it was a unique touch to downtown. | ||
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen Post Number: 1474 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.122.57 |
Ad covering art has artist red hot by Bill McGraw, Detroit Free Press "The artist known as Wyland says covering up his whale mural with a Jeep ad on the Broderick Tower sets a bad precedent because it allows advertising to destroy art. ... In renting the space, building owner Michael Higgins and his agency, the Detroit Media Group, faced opposition from the Detroit Historic District Commission, which opposed any ads. But to avoid a legal battle, the two sides agreed to allow advertising on the site -- across from Comerica Park -- for five years. Devan Anderson, acting commission chair, said Tuesday the mural itself is not really historically appropriate, and with Higgins agreeing to use all of his proceeds to rehab the derelict but historic building, "we feel it was short-term concession for a long-term gain." In 2004, a public outcry forced General Motors to drop a plan to cover the mural with a Pontiac ad. ..." http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20060802/NEW S05/608020373/1007 | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 332 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.107.47.65 |
For those missing the whales, a list of the artist's other works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L ist_of_Whaling_Walls | ||
Rbdetsport Member Username: Rbdetsport Post Number: 147 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 68.61.11.146 |
HA, the Chicago mural was dedicated 21 days earlier than the "Whale Tower." He comes up with some pretty lame names. But I still like the Whales. It makes it look like the building is used. | ||
Evelyn Member Username: Evelyn Post Number: 19 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 141.217.63.70 |
Am I alone in my opinion that I don't care for either the whales or the Jeep ad? | ||
Thedownriviera Member Username: Thedownriviera Post Number: 8 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 68.61.202.250 |
No Evelyn I agree wholeheartedly. The add is cheesy and as MessyKitty implied, the reversed skyline suggests a disregard and disrespect for the intelligence of those being advertised to. On the other hand the whale mural reminds me of those Lisa Frank folders & supplies all the girls had in grade school. It's just a matter of which of the two evils you can more easily stomach. The whaling wall, IMHO, isn't disrespectful . . . just corny. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 894 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.117.234 |
"the two sides agreed to allow advertising on the site -- across from Comerica Park -- for five years. " Doesnt that imply that Higgins knows damn well that there aint gonna be no people living in that tower for the next five years - people wanting to look out their windows on that side ? ? Hockey_Player is right on with this one. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 2536 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.230 |
IIRC, that side of the building has the elevators, so that would preclude any additional windows. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 897 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.93.136 |
The ad covers windows. The painting does too - trust me Ive crawled through them in the past. | ||
Kilgore_south Member Username: Kilgore_south Post Number: 136 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 12.165.160.2 |
I dunno... any art that uses for its medium the side of a major downtown building is going to have an uncertain and temporary nature to it. I always figured the whales would come down when/if the building is ever occupied. Not least because of what Mauser just said. | ||
Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine Post Number: 189 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 24.247.163.145 |
Well, the ad does cover some windows that are rooms that could be habitable space in the future. The other set of windows is for the fire escape. Even if those rooms are used in the renovation, I guess there is still a ton of other windows. | ||
Pdtpuck Member Username: Pdtpuck Post Number: 159 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 208.251.168.194 |
apparently, Detroiters aren't the only ones who hated the whales... BuiltStLouis blog about Milwaukee's whales | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1263 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 136.2.1.153 |
True, there are a lot of other windows on the building, but the ones covered by the ad are the only ones with the view overlooking Comerica Park. I'd think those views would be a big selling point for some of the lofts, as the building is just a short block away. Maybe not quite as close as some of the buildings near Wrigley Field, but still pretty close: http://www.thecubdom.com/featu res/wrigleyrooftop_overview.ht ml Once the lofts open, the ad space would probably need to be reconfigured somehow. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 901 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.27.163 |
If the building is ever actually sold as condos, wouldnt the condo association have the only valid opinion of what goes on their property ? | ||
Swingline Member Username: Swingline Post Number: 552 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 172.144.149.249 |
Not true. There is an entire elevation of the Broderick Tower facing NW up Woodward (in the picture above, to the right of the sign) that looks over the ballpark. All of those windows have views of the ballpark. The sign itself covers very few windows. The elevator shafts are located on that elevation of the building. | ||
Pussygirl313 Member Username: Pussygirl313 Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.246.1.116 |
I'm glad the whale is gone for awhile. It was getting old. I would like to see the whale replaced with another mural or something. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1267 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.73.205.173 |
Hmmmm, I had thought the angle was too sharp to really see much of the ballpark from the NW facing windows, but looking at the satellite map, it's not quite as bad as I thought. Still, the view is more straight-on to the ballpark from the NE facing windows (where the mural is). | ||
Kraemerdesigngroup Member Username: Kraemerdesigngroup Post Number: 46 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.216.142.41 |
All - although the banner currently covers windows, when construction starts, the next banner will be smaller and not cover any windows. It will be sized to cover the "whale" only. BTW - the renovation project has passed historic (locatl, state and federal), brownfield is nearly done, NEZ is nearly done, so it is very very close. BK | ||
Pkatmsu Member Username: Pkatmsu Post Number: 7 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 69.14.88.98 |
I heard that it was just going up for the jeep giveaway at Comerica. I think that they gave away one of the new Compass Jeeps last night so it should be disappearing sometime soon?? | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 902 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.123.88 |
BTW - I cant remember about the windows on the far side (the left side of the ad/mural) but the two rows of windows on the corner that is most exposed to the stadium view (far right of the ad/mural) open into usable interior spaces. They are not for the elevator (like that even makes sense) and they no longer have anything to do with a fire escape - if that was ever the case. The right window row opens in to the large corner office type space, the left row opens into a small office type space. I would expect these views to be prime attractions for potential buyers. As far as the mural, if they are going to advertise on top of the damn thing, at least have the class and civility to paint it out of its misery. Its a big "fuck you" to simply hang things over it - whether you like the thing or not. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 1111 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137 |
Pkatmsu, the tigers give away Chevy HHR's every Fri and Sat night | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 667 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.246.10.173 |
.........."said he loved the new Jeeps on the New York streets" man I hear that song all day in their new commercials... | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1269 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.73.205.173 |
Thanks KDG, that's good to hear. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 33 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
Anyone remember how Wyland originaly wanted to paint the whale murals on The Joe's riverfront walls? Our Wonderfull Clown Council vetoed it, saying it was no good and why let some white suburbanite come into The D and paint his sh.t on city owned property. Then he recived permision to paint on the B.T. ------------------------------ ------------------- As somebody who is from 7 and Gratiot, and has been to many other countries, I dare say, we are our own worst enemies. All the other countriers I've been to, upon hearing where I'm from all want to know how its like to live in the music capital of the world. It's kind of funny because here in the D there is so much hate and nagative shit. DETROIT, STOP THIS SHIT... WE ARE THE MUSIC CAPITAL OF THE WORLD... HELP KEEP IT REAL WHENEVER YOU TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF THE D. Detroiters of the world unite... you have nothing to loss but your chains... Detroitejs72... just a lost radical... |
