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Restoretheroar
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ame ricas/5165808.stm


Making Cities Work: Detroit
By Dejan Sudjic



Development includes giving the vacant Cadillac Hotel a $180m overhaul
Detroit is a classic "doughnut" post-urban city, seemingly pleasant around the outside, but empty in the middle. But now it is trying hard to plug the hole in its industrial heart.
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Paulmcall
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Hey the downtown is doing ok. How about the nighborhoods?
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Paulmcall
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Hey the downtown is doing ok. How about the neighborhoods?
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Thejesus
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The neighborhoods are still crumby since the residents lack the resources to fix them...
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Apbest
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I think the doughnut coment refers to the metro area. The more outer suburbs (like RO, Bham, etc) and the inner city as the center
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Themax
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Click on 'generate maps', fill in for Detroit and watch poverty grow in Detroit from 1970-2000.

http://charlotte.utdallas.edu/ poverty/
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Dougw
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Let's try to stick to one thread on this topic... this was the original one: https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/76621.html
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Tndetroiter
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Themax,

Maps like that can be misleading. For example, there's a large spot of extreme poverty outside the city located near 275 and 94. This is, of course, the airport. When looking at these maps you have to consider what is sitting on the land in that area. The point is well made that poverty rose in Detroit between 1970 and 2000, but you have to consider other factors when looking at these maps.
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Sumotect
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I can’t get the pod cast, but the “Doughnut” metaphor is an old and outmoded idea for current urban structure. The region (greater Detroit) is laid out without a strong center, as in the past but as a network, or spider web, with Polymodal centers. Downtown, New Center, are vital nodes within region that includes many others Downtown Royal Oak, Troy, Southfield etc.

I heard it expressed on this forum; that Detroit is not like a Manhattan, but more like the Caribbean, with islands, that you need a boat (car) to get around in.
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Trainman
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Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 11:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Downtown Detroit and metro airport need 24 hour, 7 day a week frequent SMART bus service.

Please sign the petition drive to make it happen

http://www.ipetitions.com/peti tion/Bus/
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Lmichigan
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No it doesn't. It needs 24 house, 7 day a week DARTA bus service. SMART and DDOT need to be abolished. But, that's all beside the point, you shameless troll.
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Trainman
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The DARTA agreement puts an end to all state funds for public bus service in writing which is exactly why it failed.

Lmichigan, those who support this non-sense are stupid. The facts are in my website about this.

I am only against the DARTA because they support the break-up of SMART and DDOT and the mult-billion dollar expansion of freeways which is well documented on the SEMCOG website and approved in writing.

In fact, a YES next August 8, 2006 for the SMART property tax is an endorsement of the plan to abolish state revenue sharing to SMART.

Leaders from both MDOT and SEMCOG have publicly stated that they support heavy local tax increases to replace all state funds without any efforts to increase rider-ship.

Lmichigan, please learn the facts about transit funding here.

http://savethefueltax.tripod.c om/comp.html

and here

http://savethefueltax.tripod.c om/altern.html

and here

http://savethefueltax.tripod.c om/comp.html#Right
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Royce
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Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 12:31 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is the third time this thread has been brought up. Does anyone bother to scroll down anymore. Damn!
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Valkyrias
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what would be funny about it, though, is if trainman tainted all 3 threads with his propaganda...honest to PETE, can someone do something about it already??!
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Trainman
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Sure, I'll just go away and let the multi-billion freeways be built without mass transit.

Why should I care if you all DY'ers want to raise local taxes to support the trucking industry and Wal-Mart?

They already succeeded in Livonia with high property taxes and low wage jobs that Suck.

Detroit will be next and you can all be sure that more people will live in dumpsters while Oakland county residents build large mansions and drive big cars.

Just like your great Detroit leaders do.
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Danny
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Themax

If you want a TRUE map of the demographics of Detroit in a poverty level, take a look at this:




The dark green shows the ghettohoods in extreme poverty.
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Gistok
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Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 11:32 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Danny... that map is what I would call "slightly erroneous". See that big green area on the east side.... that is known as the Conner Ave. Industrial Corridor...

Although the map does show low income neighborhoods, it is difficult to say which green areas are truly neighborhoods, and which areas are industrial/commercial. So therefore that particular map is useless!
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Jt1
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What I still don't get about the doughnut term is that Detroit (I believe barring RO township) is the most dense city in all of Metro Detroit.

Investment dollars, yes but it seems the term doughnut marginalizes/ignores the fact that there is more density in Detroit than metro Detroit.

Last time I checked the most dense part of a doughnut most certainly is not the middle.
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Eastsidedog
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Jt1, Detroit is 3rd in the state in pop. density.

1. Royal Oak Township
2. Hamtramck
3. Detroit

The doughnut theory isn't about population, it's about money. The theory being that the city is devoid of the sweet stuff but surrounded by all those tasty delicious suburban greenbacks...
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Jt1
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Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

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