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Paulmcall
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Who has your vote for best athlete that played in Detroit? He didn't have to grow up here.
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Lions: Barry
Tigers: Cobb
Wings: Howe
Pistons: Zeke

From city or state...Magic, Gervin, Henson, Gibson.
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What 321brian said.
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I third what Brian said
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No, I think you are incorrect!
Lions: Scott Mitchell
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doesn't anyone remember Chuck Long? I had his starting Lineup action figure!
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you forgot heisman trophy winner ANDRE WARE. I have his rookie card. Has it gone up in value since his no longer playing
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LOL ^^^^ NOT!!!
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With all due respect to Barry, I think Bobby Layne was the best to wear the pads for the Lions.
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Gosh, the similarities between the people of Detroit (and Michigan) and its sports stars are amazing.......

You don't become a star in Detroit by being soft........Gordie, Tram's, Stevie Y, Barry, Cobb, Big Ben, Joey D, Spielman, etc. were all great players but they also displayed grit and leadership.

Detroit can be proud of its stars!
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not even a debate.......Isiah hands down
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Bret Favre played a few games in Detroit and Pontiac...
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Most famous? Barry Sanders.

At the time, he was the Michael Jordan, The Wayne Gretzy, The Pelle, The it of Football.

For those of you that forgot how special he was, download some old clips. Amazing.

And to think, he never had an offenisive line to work with. Then again, having no blocking made him that much more fun to watch. It was eleven vs. one for some plays
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How many championships did we win with Barry? He was an awesome talent, but a leader of men he was not. Yzerman led us to 3 Cups and didnt walk in to a winning organization. They bought into him and led them to where this organozation is today. Isiah was close but 19 takes this hands down.
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Best athlete?

I would say that Barry was more athletic than Steve.

Now, did I like Barry the most? Nope, I love Steve the most, he was the most to be proud of. But Barry was amazing. Simply amazing.
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So I guess we need to constitute what exemplifies a "best athlete".
No doubt Barry could get you out of your seat. But Stevie could as well and brought the town 3 Championships. How many did Barry help us win? Hey...dont get me wrong...Barry was spectacular. Even better than Billy Sims before him. But Stevie took this team on his shoulders and took us too the promised land 3 times. And would have been more if injuries wouldntnt have stopped him. I mean, look at all the media attention this week alone. Did Barry get half of that when he ended his career here? Were talking apples and oranges.
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I'm always amazed at how many Detroit fans count Ty Cobb as being one of the best Tigers of all time. What do we really know of him beyond the stats? Has anyone seen him play? And is it fair to include him in because he played in a totally different era (think about some of the gifted players in the Negro Leagues that never had a chance to compete against him)??

Is it more apt to come up with a "Best Detroit Athlete of the Modern Era" (and list time frames) and then discuss??
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Anyone remember Joe Louis?
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quote:

Anyone remember Joe Louis?




Never heard of him.
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Trevor Francis
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Joe Louis
Dave Bing
Gordy Howe

Isaiah
Barry
Steve Yzerman

Night Trane Layne
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Charles Woodson. A slight stretch because he was an athlete at UofM and not Detroit proper, but the skills he displayed with Big Blue were just mind boggling.
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As far as who was the best, it really neesd to be sorted out by the era each played in. Different times, TOTALLY different athletes.

As far as biggest impact on the National scene, I think history has given that one to Ty Cobb.
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Joe Louis. then everyone else on that list.

Boxing is not a team sport it is a single individual against another. Further, Joe Louis was heavyweight champ at the PEAK of boxing's popularity attracting a huge number of competitive athletes in one on one competition. The heavywieght division was the most competitive. (Once upon a time, even a low ranked pro boxer could earn a decent living without being nationally competitive. I knew a guy who was a batam/featherweight pro boxer, in his 20's and 30's in the 20's and 30's. He made a decent living made enough to live well as a pro and retire to a modest but comfortable life with his own small business. This is comparable to say professional baseball, football or basketball players today ... even the ones who toil in relative obsucrity in the minor leagues or the european leagues can earn an ok living while it lasts. Once boxing was like that too and attracted the best athletes.)
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Can't argue with Cobb, Sanders, Howe and Thomas but certainly Yzerman, Kaline, Bing and Layne deserve close consideration too.

As for boxers, Louis and Hearns come to mind immediately, but Detroit-born Walker Smith is right up there too. Considered by many experts to be the best boxer ever pound-for-pound. Most of us know him better as Sugar Ray Robinson.
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What? No mention of David Kircus yet?
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Ty Cobb for sure, layoff the different era b.s. and the negro league debate, a great player is a great player.
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I don't know about all time, but I do know that Rod Allen thinks Brandon Inge is the most all-around athletic Tiger that is currently playing.
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I'm only 25-years-old so I never got to see some of those old school guys play...but my vote goes to Isiah with Barry as a close second...Barry was more fun to watch but Isiah won two championships, so that tips the scale a bit.

(Message edited by thejesus on July 05, 2006)
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7milekid- how do you know Cobb was a great player other than by his stats? By your estimation of greatness you'd have to compare him to today's player then. And I'd be willing ot bet baseball back then was an entirely different game than it is today.

Would a guy like Babe Ruth be able to play in today's league?

Those guys were amazing amongst their peers but there will always be questions about how would they compare to today's athletes that train year round, have medically trained staffs and the latest & greatest equipment. And to dismiss an entire group of quality players in the Negro Leagues only diminishes his competition back then.
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uncle rico


oops!

My mistake

you said IN DETROIT :-)
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Rustic - I beg to differ - Boxing is indeed a team sport. You try to tell that to the trainers, cutmaen and others in the boxers corner. Simply put, Boxing is a team sport.

My List:
Barry Sanders
Isiah Thomas
Sweet Lou Whitikker
Thomas "hitman" Hearns
Gordie Howe

Erob
Chicago by way of Detroit
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Dick the Bruiser.....
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I forgot Joe Louis. My bad.

It is difficult to say who the best "athlete" is. It is much easier to say who was the best in their sport.

For example I could argue that Danny Ainge (scrach golfer, NBA player and Major League baseball player is a better all around athlete than Michael Jordan (NBA god, single digit golfer, minor league baseball scrub).

It is also impossible to debate what a certain player would do in a different era. Everybody assumes that a player like Ruth or Cobb wouldn't be able to adust to playing today but could current player adjust to playing in the 1920's? Who knows?

Thats why sports are so great. We can talk about these things all day and it helps us forget our other problems for a second.

I also hate it when people say that a baseball player playing before the integration of major league baseball wouldn't have been as sucessful if they had been playing against black players their entire career.

Nobody questions if Josh Gibson would have hit 800+ home runs if he had to bat against Lefty Grove, Dizzy Dean or Bob Feller.

Let it be. It was what it was. Josh Gibson was great in the Negro League, Babe Ruth was great in the American League and they would have been great if they had played in the same league.
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What do the 1984 TIGERS and an 84 year old hooker have in common.......RUSTY KUNTZ
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This post was over at 321Brian
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I always hate arguements saying that athletes of the past couldn't compete against today's athletes. There are too many variables to consider between the eras.

Here are my selections:

Best Detroit Athlete: Joe Louis -- The best boxer in probably the best era of boxing. Defendend his title numerous times. One of the all-time greats.

Best Detroit-born athlete: Dave DeBusschere -- Detroit Austin, UofD, Detroit Piston and Chicago White Sox. One of the 50 greatest players in the NBA. Had a 3.09 ERA in 84 IP for the White Sox in 1963 at the age of 22. But really came into his own playing with the New York Knicks winning two championships known for tough rebounding and defense.

Best player per pro team: Tigers -- Cobb (horrible person, but had the record for hits and stolen bases until 1985 and 1979 respectivly, and still has the the BA record.)

Pistons -- Isaiah Thomas

Lions -- Barry Sanders

Red Wings -- Gordie Howe (This is a tougher decision than it seems w/ Stevie Y, but it still goes to Mr. Hockey.)

Colleges
Michigan -- Tom Harmon (The 1940 game against Ohio State says it all)

Michigan State -- Magic Johnson

U of D -- Dave DeBusschere

Eastern Michigan -- George "Ice Man" Gervin

Central Michigan -- Dan Majerle

Western Michigan -- John Saunders (OK, a joke here, but not a lot for the Broncos, maybe some Western alums could help here...Fight on, Fight on for Western)

That list is as good as any.
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I would never say that players of a different era couldn't compete in this modern era but I've always found it difficult to compare an Al Kaline to a Ty Cobb. As it is, it's tough enough to compare a Denny McLain to a Bill Freehan because both played entirely different positions. That's why I've always asked for tighter parameters when it comes to these discussions.
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Dave DeBusschere! Excellent.

Anyone who plays in two major leagues should be in every arguement. Thats why I said Henson but DeDusschere actually excelled in both leagues while Henson is still trying to find his place in football.
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Gene Conley played on championship teams in two different sports during the 1950s and 1960s--for the Milwaukee Braves and Boston Celtics.

(Message edited by LivernoisYard on July 06, 2006)
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Does the Freep get their ideas from DY ?






BLOGS SPORTS



Mark Francescutti
Top 7 Detroit athletes all-time



Jul 6, 2006

Several Detroit athletes have made a lasting impact, including Steve Yzerman. The Free Press sports staff ranks the top seven. (Disagree with our rankings? E-mail us at sports@freepress.com or post on the blog here with your comments and INCLUDE your FULL NAME and WHERE YOU LIVE so we can print your comments)

TOP SEVEN DETROIT ATHLETES

1. Joe Louis

HEAVYWEIGHT BOXER

Alabama native moved to Detroit as a child. The Brown Bomber was heavyweight champ from 1937-49, going 69-3 with 54 KOs.

2 .Gordie Howe

RW, RED Wings (1946-71)

Mr. Hockey won four Stanley Cups, six MVPs and retired as hockey's scoring king. Played a record 26 NHL seasons, the last at age 51.

3. Ty Cobb

CF, Tigers (1905-26)

The Georgia Peach, known for his fierceness, guided the Tigers to three straight World Series. Ranks No. 2 in hits (4,191) and runs (2,245).

4. Steve Yzerman

C, RED Wings (1983-2006)

Captain for 19 of his 22 NHL seasons, finishing sixth all-time in points (1,755) and eighth in goals (692). Won three Stanley Cups.

5. Isiah Thomas

G, Pistons (1981-94)

aptain of the '89 and '90 champs. Finals MVP in '90. An 11-time All-Star starter. Pistons leader in points, steals and assists.

6. Al Kaline

RF, Tigers (1953-74)

A 15-time All-Star and 10-time Gold Glover. The first Tiger to have his number retired. Finished with 3,007 hits and 399 home runs.

7. Barry Sanders

RB, Lions (1989-98)

The NFL's No. 3 career rusher with 15,269 yards. Had 10 straight 1,000-yard seasons and 109 TDs, including 15 on runs of at least 50 yards.


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http://freep.typepad.com/sport s/2006/07/top_7_detroit_a.html
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"Henson is still trying to find his place in football."

Oh, he's found it. It's called third string.
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No, it's first string...in Germany.
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hahaha.

If that list went up to ten, if would be difficult to figure out who stays and who goes. Lem Barney, Bobby Lane, Terry Sawchuck, and Joe Dumars are all legends here. The same goes for Dave Bing, Hank Greenberg, and Mickey Cochrine.

But Sugar Ray Robinson definitely belongs in the top five, probably right after Lewis, Howe, and Cobb. Mohamed Ali copied most of his style from Robinson, but he rarely receives credit for it. Everyone wants to see the heavyweights.
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Bo Bo Brazil

What about Willie Horton?

any detroit olympians?

Jerome Bettis should be in the list, depending on the definition.

Where does the Fab Five rate? all Detroiters

Women athletes:

Nikita Lowry
Swin Cash?
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Losing Ben Wallace is like Livonia losing SMART. We need good bus service and good role modals like Ben Wallace.

So, let's all get along after the August 8, 2006 SMART vote. It does not matter, YES or NO. SMART will come back to Livonia, if we want them back.

Then maybe Ben Wallace will come back too and give to Detroit to benefit his city with schools, jobs and new public buses.
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I'm going to 103rd what others said since I was late to this tread.
Boxing: Joe Louis Barrow
Baseball: Tyrus Ramond Cobb
Hockey:Gordy Howe
Football: Barry Sanders
Basketball: Isiah Thomas
Goalies: Terry Sawchuck (greatest ever, sorry,roy)
Fans: Lions Fans beacause we still cheer our asses off for a team that has one playoff victory in 47 years.
Soccer: Alexi Lalas.
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Bowling: Rico Orodico
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How about Curling?
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Hmm..best athlete. Different times. How can you compare Ty to Steve? Okay different sports. Different era's. Granted. They all have their place. Packard, Hudson, Kaiser, Kerns, Chatam, Olson Beach, Bob-Lo, Dick Purtin, CKLW, The Motor Cities original "Rock n' Roll Station" WABX. Best athlete in Motown.......the one that exhibited character and determination. Kudo's to all the memories we are tryin to... well..re-live. To each his own sport superstar...Detroit was and will always be a hallowed ground for this thing called "SPORTS". Thanx
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Carl Liscombe (1943 Red Wings Stanely Cup)

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Harry Carlyle Liscombe (May 17, 1915 in Perth, Ontario Canada - February 23, 2004 in Wailuku, Hawaii, U.S.A.) was a Detroit Red Wings hockey player in the 1940s.

Liscombe was a key member of the 1943 Stanley Cup champions, and scored 36 goals. He shares the team record for most goals in a playoff game and most points in a game, and was the first pro hockey player ever to record 100 points in a season.

He spent the rest of his career in the American Hockey League, and was a two-time Most Valuable Player. In 1949, Liscombe helped the Providence Reds win the Calder Cup.

From Red Wings Site
Carl Liscombe 1943-44

It didn’t take Carl Liscombe long to make people notice him in a Red Wings uniform.

Called up to Detroit from Pittsburgh of the AHL early in the 1937-38 season, Liscombe set a club record for rookies by potting 14 goals. He collected an NHL-record three goals in 1:52 against Chicago for his first NHL hat trick and also showed everyone he couldn’t be intimidated, scrapping with Toronto defenseman Red Horner, considered the NHL’s toughest player.

The line of Eddie Wares, Alex Motter and Liscombe clicked that season, but in 1943-44, Liscombe skated alongside Syd Howe and they proved to be a potent pair.

Both players posted huge seasons. Howe tallied 32 goals and 60 points, while Liscombe tore apart the Detroit record book, finishing the season with 36 goals and 73 points, both club single-season standards. "He knew exactly where I was and I knew exactly where he was," Liscombe said of Howe, the center on the line. "I yelled only if I was open and if I was open, I got the puck."

Along with linemate Mud Bruneteau (35 goals), they became the first forward unit in NHL history to collect 100 goals in a season. Liscombe registered 12 points in the 1942 playoffs and the following season, as Detroit won the Stanley Cup, he gathered 14 points and a share of the Stanley Cup single-season scoring mark with Grosso and Boston’s Bill Cowley. Liscombe posted a club-record seven points in a 12-5 win over the New York Rangers in 1942-43 and scored a record four goals in a 1944-45 playoff game against Boston, finishing his Detroit days with five hat tricks.

Growing up in the Ontario town of Galt, Liscombe worked at the local arena and skated sometimes up to five hours a day, honing the skills which would one day make him an NHLer.

"When there was no more skating for the night, I’d sling my skates over my shoulder and head for home," Liscombe said.

Liscombe’s Detroit days ended in 1945-46, but he put up back-to-back 50-goal and 100-point seasons for the Providence Reds in the AHL, eventually hanging up his skates for good following the 1951-52 campaign.

BORN:
Perth, Ontario, May 17, 1915

ACQUIRED:
Signed as a free agent, September 24, 1935

BEST SEASON WITH RED WINGS:
1943-44 (36-37-73)

TOTALS WITH RED WINGS:
GP-373, G-137, A-140, PTS-277

HONORS:
Led Detroit in scoring, 1943-44; Shares club record for points in a game with seven, 1943-44


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