Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba
Post Number: 5767 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 2:32 pm: | |
Rouge Park was much the same way. The cops got their jollies however, so you would probably be a recipient of a five battery flashlight in your face. He'd never ask you to get out the car, just get moving. No ident, nothing like that. I hear it was cops and badguys on the Eastside. jjaba much preferred a house party in her basement. jjaba. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 5915 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 2:59 pm: | |
I lived exactly 4 blocks from Balduck Park, athough I was not one to cruise the park. Now I know why the city closed the roadway going from Chandler Park Drive to behind Balduck Park hill. That sounds confusing... they should have named the main road going thru Balduck Park... Balduck Park Drive... and NOT Chandler Park Drive. The boulevard east of Outer Drive should have been named Balduck Park Drive... the boulevard west of Outer Drive should have remained Chandler Park Drive. Granted all 3 are the same long continuous street. (Message edited by Gistok on December 17, 2007) |
7_and_kelly_kid Member Username: 7_and_kelly_kid
Post Number: 27 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 3:53 pm: | |
.........how 'bout the "Foot of Alter Rd."? |
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba
Post Number: 5769 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 4:37 pm: | |
I've heard about Alter Rd. to watch submarine races. On Westside, all's we could do is dream about water. This is fully city over here. One massive residential, retail, and industrial sprawl, most abandoned, and ripe for the next generation to re-inhabit. We could list a million businesses that have gone from our salad days. (Sears, Wards, Sanders, Holley Carb., Micromatic Hone, Ex-cello, DeSotos, GM, all the movies, Nash-Kelvinator, CF Smiths, Wrigleys, Federal's, Crowley-Milners, Robert Hall, Cunninghams, Kresges, Darby's, you name it. jjaba. |
Caldogven Member Username: Caldogven
Post Number: 145 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 5:15 pm: | |
Eiredearie - The girls came over from Goldberg in nineteen fifty seven. Yes, Mr. Schimelfening had the engine class. I've heard he passed away several years ago. His son was a couple years behind me. Mr. Meier the head of the English Dept. was our sponsor. I would never have graduated if not for him. I was in Julie's every day. I can still hear Little Richard coming from the jukebox! I too had friends from all over town. (Message edited by caldogven on December 17, 2007) |
Eriedearie Member Username: Eriedearie
Post Number: 411 Registered: 08-2007
| Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 5:27 pm: | |
Caldogven - Yes Mr. Schimelfening did pass away, I think in 2001 or 2002. I remember his obit in the paper. Sometime in the late 70's I attended a friend's wedding reception and come to find out he was one of her uncles. He remembered me and we sat together and had a great time reminiscing about school life. He was such a great guy. Mr. Meier must have left before I got there. I don't remember him at all. As for Julie's, whenever I think about that place I hear Fat's Domino coming from the jukebox. "I Left My Thrill On Blueberry Hill" and "Hooka Tooka". Geesh! Those were some great times, eh? |
Goblue Member Username: Goblue
Post Number: 830 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 5:50 pm: | |
7&K: Foot of Alter and foot of Lakewood were pretty much the same...Alter was the wooded park...Lakewood was the parking lot...which is why ES61 is so focused on Lakewood. It depended on the season...summer was Alter with a blanket in the trees...winter was Lakewood in the backseat with the heater going...or so I've heard...the legend on the Eastside is that ES61 and SH used a whole tank of gas parked there one winter weekend. |
7_and_kelly_kid Member Username: 7_and_kelly_kid
Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 5:59 pm: | |
..a tank of gas?...........in '61?..........sigh........agai n.that (premium..........and Ethyl would pump)......for $10.00.......plus a carton of Chesterfields,... |
Eastside61 Member Username: Eastside61
Post Number: 657 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 12:00 am: | |
7/K - foot of Alter meant that you had to also drive over the Ashland bump at a high speed.....there was some clown in a white ford convert who hit the Ashland bump doing about 60 + just destroyed his whole vehicle....i wonder what ever happened to him...but the legend lives on....also in the winter the south of Jefferson neighborhoods had cement alleys - No known cement alleys on the westside....which meant that same ford guy would cruise the neighborhood after a big snow fall and would look for people out in the alley and he would speed down the alley at again a high rate of speed and the snow would spray out both sides behind the vehicle up to about the 5 foot level and many an unsuspecting person in the alley was totally showered with wet snow......in the summer getting into the GP Park because it had lighted tennis courts was another eastside challenge since one had to prove one was a resident of GP....but it was done on many occasion in the late 50' early 60's which can to added to the legends of the Eastside.....Gas got as low as 18.9 sometimes on 8 mile......but a true eastsider was always looking for the WHITE 56 Ford Crown Victoria convert....driven buy the legendary GB with his princeton hair cut .......even the King of the westside Jjaba would have been impressed by the antics of GB....in fact I think Jjaba and GB both flunked out of WMU.....I have always wondered why Jjaba never went to the uOFm.....and the westsider like Jjaba opted out and should have gone to Central HS but decided that CASS TECH which was dominated by eastsiders was his school.....but then he hung out with GB (eastsider) in Kalamazoo....after graduation from CASS....remember Jjaba that Cass also played sports as an eastside team.... GB - invite Jjaba to the motown reunion tour of the neighborhood (EASTSIDE) on 7/31/08......we will pick him up on La Salle blvd - Euclid --Clairmont - Collingwood - just name the street Jjaba......see ya in July! |
Goblue Member Username: Goblue
Post Number: 832 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 11:01 am: | |
ES: WOW! ES is once again showing the effects of the acid dropping in the 60's! Mama's should never let their kids go to San Francisco to live! I'm not certain that poor Jjaba's heart could take a reunion of Eastsiders...those Westside folks lived a pretty sheltered life. |
Eastside61 Member Username: Eastside61
Post Number: 660 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 3:36 pm: | |
GB - If westsiders (Jjaba) had any class they would meet us at DTW in July.....we would take a tour of the Roosevelt - Durfee - Central HS neighborhood and then we would head east to the promised land.......and all this in an all terrain vehicle.....Jjaba you drive....GB I am troubled by your previous response.....Oh! that's right ....you grew up west of Hayes.....remember while you and the mayor of the westside (Jjaba) were bonding in K-zoo, etc I was workin' on the EASTSIDE in the SE neighborhood actually educating students - helping families and having a hellava good time - ......never have worked in the suburbia education world....Come east boys......let me know where we should meet in July......with my luck it would be at JrVass tent in Palmer Park.....off of Manderson.......go technicians and broncos |
Melody Member Username: Melody
Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 4:27 pm: | |
Hamtramck isn't a suburb. It seems pretty urban to me, anyway. I compare it to Brooklyn, which is considered a borough, not a suburb. Eastside is the best side. Neither side is perfect, but I prefer the Eastside. There's the lake, Jefferson/Lakeshore to avoid 94, and Buscemi's just to name a few. Gotta admit though, I'm dating a Westsider. We live on the Eastside, of course. |
Goblue Member Username: Goblue
Post Number: 838 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 4:39 pm: | |
Convert him Melody...convert him! He'll be happier for it and will thank you all the days of his life. You're right about Hamtramack...tough to call it a burb. |
Eastside61 Member Username: Eastside61
Post Number: 665 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 4:40 pm: | |
Melody - good for you......are you dating Jjaba????? |
Goblue Member Username: Goblue
Post Number: 840 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 4:46 pm: | |
Not likely she's dating him. Jjaba is old enough to be her grandfather! Gotta wonder though...what's a nice girl like Melody doing with a Westsider? |
Eastside61 Member Username: Eastside61
Post Number: 668 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 4:50 pm: | |
M - Call the eastside help hot line......I think GB is manning the phones all afternoon |
Goblue Member Username: Goblue
Post Number: 842 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 4:51 pm: | |
ES: Thinking more....of course, that's what they said when ME took up with you...so...maybe there's hope. Like ME's father said the first time he met you..."There's no accounting for taste." |
Eastside61 Member Username: Eastside61
Post Number: 669 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 4:53 pm: | |
Gb - I said what a smart FOX.......and it was true..... she visited the eastside only on two different occasions and that was enough for her..........but it still did wonders for us! |
Goblue Member Username: Goblue
Post Number: 848 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 5:19 pm: | |
ES: I'm certain that your display of courage by walking to your former place of employment impressed the hell out of her. |
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba
Post Number: 5773 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 6:45 pm: | |
Eastsdie61 and M=Go=Blue sure are having fun. For starters, jjaba attended Noble, Tappan, then Cass Tech. Lived near Wyoming, not Linwood, but he knows Linwood and Dexter, La Salle Blvd, 12th Street like the back of him hand. His home HS district is Mackenzie HS, school of Jerome Bettis. jjaba had his Bar Mitzvah on Linwood Ave. near Oakman Blvd. but not high school. jjaba welcomes Melody to The Forum. Be careful. He chose WMU. It just popped up on the radar as the happening place for this happening Westsider. Goblue and other Broncos know why. To assert that Cass Tech. is now, or was then, an Eastside school is pure Eastside rubbish. There are students who trundle down to Cass Tech. from Telegraph Rd., from Lahser Rd., from W. Eight Mile Rd., from W. Seven Mile and Livernois, etc. neighborhoods. They live in DelRay, Warrendale, Sherwood Forest, Palmer Woods, Brightmoor. jjaba, Westsider. |
Terryh Member Username: Terryh
Post Number: 607 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 6:48 pm: | |
Central to the east and westside jjaba. If you live close to Woodward arent you halfway, sort of, between east and westside? |
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba
Post Number: 5775 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 6:55 pm: | |
Eastside is East of Woodward Avenue. However, there's an area known as Northend up Woodward around Six Mile. Terryh, jjaba doesn't really comprehend your comments. jjaba. |
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 785 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 9:25 pm: | |
let's just say that eastsider's are very passionate. does st matthews count as an eastsider a wmu alumni |
The_ed Member Username: The_ed
Post Number: 1679 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 8:47 am: | |
Melody welcome to DetroitYES! |
Goblue Member Username: Goblue
Post Number: 853 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 11:13 am: | |
Lefty2: You're right...Eastsider's are VERY passionate...just ask ES61 about SH. What year WMU? |
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba
Post Number: 5782 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 1:31 pm: | |
Passionate is what you call it. jjaba looks up and sees a sea of Eastsiders with fishing poles at the Ft. of Alter Rd. Nothing says Eastside like Denby, a six pack of Pfeiffers or Strohs, and a fishing pole. jjaba, LOL, on the Dexter Bus. |
Me3head Member Username: Me3head
Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 2:27 pm: | |
Lived in RO when I was in MI, east of Woodward, but always thought myself a westsider. |
Bookbird454 Member Username: Bookbird454
Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 2:42 pm: | |
What a great discussion! I'm in downtown now, as I have been off and on my entire adult life. However, I was raised in the Joy Road/Grand River area. My Mom still lives in the family house she and my Dad purchased in 1959. Does anyone remember the smell of burning leaves during our beautiful Indian summers? How about the great trick or treating we experienced before the crazies began? I remember so many Christmas lights on the houses that the reflection on the snow was must magical. My five siblings and I really lived the life of the kids in the movie, The Christmas Story. Our story for real! Really glad I 'stumbled' onto this forum. |
Eastside61 Member Username: Eastside61
Post Number: 674 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 3:01 pm: | |
Jjaba - 1000's of eastsiders attended CT while only you and one other kid who actually lived in Windsor attend CT...I think CT got some type of federal money for taking you in the late 50's......glad that you were able to finally get to the true westside neighborhood off La Salle Blvd.....My first tennis match while playing for DHS I crushed this guy from MHS .......it was so much fun! GB and I would like to have you come over to the ES and let's go fishing...you know how - right? |
Ragtoplover59 Member Username: Ragtoplover59
Post Number: 169 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 3:06 pm: | |
Bookbird454, Welcome "Home" to DetroitYES, It's great to be in the company of people who remember the same things, of such a wonderful time, not so long ago! |
Goblue Member Username: Goblue
Post Number: 856 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 3:30 pm: | |
ES: Jjaba has to bring the Stroh's...we'll bring the fishing poles...hope he knows how to bait a hook with a worm...these poor Westside guys! BB454: Jjaba will remember too...he's the Westside historian...gradually being converted to the real world. |
Bookbird454 Member Username: Bookbird454
Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:08 pm: | |
Funny, Goblue, this Eastside/Westside conversation. Growing up we were not allowed east of Woodward but oddly, almost every guy I dated was from the eastside. Finally, at 30 years old, I fell in love with a guy on East Outer Drive and Southhampton. Opened up an entirely new world to me. Later, my husband and I moved to the Kelly 7 Mile area. Few family and friends would visit; they said they had to pack a lunch to come that far! Anyway, as all of you know, Detroit is full of beautiful neighborhoods throughout. |
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba
Post Number: 5785 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:18 pm: | |
Bookbird, welcome. That was funny. Going to the Eastside is packing for a day in the desert, you are so right. Bring plenty of water and food. jjaba, can't top that one. |
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit
Post Number: 1305 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:28 pm: | |
For the record and sorry Jjaba... Belle Isle is on the East side. I know you get a little edgy because the East Side has the Ren Cen, Comerica Park, Compuware, DMC, Faygo, Better Made, Gratiot (pronounce it yourself), most of Riverwalk, Dequindre Cut, Lake St Clair, Grosse Pointe, Indian Village, etc... but you have whatever it is you have over there. |
Goblue Member Username: Goblue
Post Number: 859 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:40 pm: | |
BB454: Now that was real rebellion against parents...Westside girl falls in love with Eastside guy...smart girl! Eastsiders make far better lovers! East_D: That's tellin' 'em! |
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba
Post Number: 5788 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 7:35 pm: | |
Packards, gone. Hudson Motors, gone. Budd Wheel, gone. Dodge Main, gone. Milwaukee Junction decimated, gone. Shrohs, gone. Pfeiffers, gone. US Rubber, gone. Detroit Stove Works, gone. Parke Davis, gone. Belle Isle, a ghost. Detroit City Airport, ghost. Maxwell Motors, gone. Chalmers Motors, gone. All Eastside. All gone. There's more but don't wish to use up space. jjaba, Proudly Westside. |
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 1158 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 7:44 pm: | |
Eastside has Buddy's, Loui's, Faygo, The City's only Water Park, Pizzapapalis and DMC is you want to get technical, Eastern Market, Metro Beach, Detroit's only Chrysler Plant, Detroit's only GM Plant, Westside has... -DelRay (embarrassing) -River Rouge (even more embarrassing) -Oakland County ('nuff said) -Sprawling Freeways -Linwood and Dexter -Brightmoor -Warrendale -FASTLY declining upscale neighborhoods I'll stop there. |
Eastside61 Member Username: Eastside61
Post Number: 679 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 11:10 pm: | |
Jjaba - surrender now.....you are out manned - out numbered - and just out of your class to compete with the eastsiders.....but you did go to an EASTSIDE HS.......It will be "ok" and is it true that you actually wear western cowboy boots????? |
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba
Post Number: 5791 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 11:12 pm: | |
We are all Detroiters, eh. That's what matters. jjaba, Westsider. |
Detalum Member Username: Detalum
Post Number: 8 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 11:14 pm: | |
Growing up on the East Side, in neighborhoods that hardly exist now, I never thought much of East Side/West Side. My world was within walking distance or a short drive. A different land was simply a short walk to Hamtramck. Movies … walk over to the Eastown theater. Stores were readily available in the neighborhoods and along Van Dyke to Harper. A car could mean cruising at the A&W and Woods Drive-Ins on Connor near Gratiot. Submarine races … well that meant any private location that could be found or going to the beach (Belle Isle). Special trips to Hudsons or one of the major surrounding stores or theaters meant going “downtown”. They were neither East nor West side. Edgewater Park seemed so far away, that it was like going to another city. And Briggs/Tiger stadium, well that was a special place, not a location. It wasn’t until I went to high school (Cass Tech – Class of 67) that I started to think of the West Side . Not only because of the 2 buses though West Side areas needed for traveling to and from school, but by the West Siders that I met. They did seem different, although I can’t explain why, other than I remember that more of them were Soc/Frat/Hippy types than I was used to from my East Side Greaser world. They introduced me to such places as Plum Street and the Grande Ballroom. Not to mention the more open-minded attitudes and mini skirts of the girls, which I didn't mind. Jjaba ... Were you a Beat Generation, Jack Kerouac reading, beatnik type? Some of your interesting posts suggest it. Just wondering. |
Goblue Member Username: Goblue
Post Number: 861 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 11:21 pm: | |
Detalum: You captured it well...the Eastside was...it just was...the Westside was just sorta out there...sub races were a dark location and a warm car seat...Briggs/Tiger stadium was so incredibly special...was there ever a greener green than the grass when you first saw the field?...Jjaba was a good guy...for a Westsider...we'll take a vote next week about making him an honorary Eastsider! |
Eastside61 Member Username: Eastside61
Post Number: 681 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 11:24 pm: | |
D-lum - Right after attending the eastside HS CT jjaba became a UAW worker at the Chrysler Plant on jefferson and has been there since 1958.......First seat belts and now Brakes..... D-lum - do you remember a CT English teacher Ms Smith.....? Counselor Ed Varney?....... |
The_ed Member Username: The_ed
Post Number: 1717 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 10:31 am: | |
"Bookbird454, Welcome "Home" to DetroitYES, It's great to be in the company of people who remember the same things, of such a wonderful time, not so long ago!" I remember the smell of burning leaves. That really takes me back to my younger years. |
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba
Post Number: 5792 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 1:26 pm: | |
jjaba has always worked, not a beatnik. He fought hard for civil rights for all Detroiters, and in the 1960s, that was hard work. All of Detroit benefitted, including Eastsiders with fishing poles and beer bellys. jjaba. |
Eastside61 Member Username: Eastside61
Post Number: 686 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 6:36 pm: | |
J - GB and myself did the same ......and we even got in a little fishin' and Stroh's......we felt that those westsiders we did outreach to during the 60's benefitted and were enriched by the Eastside perspective..... |
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba
Post Number: 5795 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 8:34 pm: | |
Eastside61, any connection with Detroit CORE, Congress of Racial Equality? That was jjaba's group in the 1960s. We had some very successful and interesting campaigns. jjaba. |
Meaghansdad Member Username: Meaghansdad
Post Number: 190 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 9:52 pm: | |
I have an appreciation for the drift down historical lane, but the direction has been skewed a bit. Does anyone care to RETURN to the reasons why Westsiders act as if they are sooo superior to Eastsiders. I know, I know, long time posters should be able to do whatever they want to, but please do it on another thread. Thanks!! |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 4106 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 9:58 pm: | |
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Jrvass Member Username: Jrvass
Post Number: 357 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 10:02 pm: | |
I see it the other way. Eastsiders acting superior. |
Detalum Member Username: Detalum
Post Number: 9 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 10:45 pm: | |
ES61 ... Ms Smith doesn't ring any bells, but my memory of teachers are vague. Ed Varney, as I recall, was a counselor for the Chem-Bio curriculum. Jjaba ... Hats off to you, fellow "Technician". Any "superiority" that I felt usually came from some Westsiders who seemed to be better off financially. |
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba
Post Number: 5798 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 12:09 am: | |
Detalum, welcome to The Forum. You can exclude jjaba from the Westside financial superiority. Just because they live in Indian Village next door to Edsel Ford, doesn't mean they still can't guzzle a six-pack of Shrohs in less than an hr. jjaba. |
Jrvass Member Username: Jrvass
Post Number: 358 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 12:31 am: | |
Jjaba |
Jrvass Member Username: Jrvass
Post Number: 359 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 12:35 am: | |
There wasn't a Woodward when my family came here. East/West? What? |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 5965 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 1:55 am: | |
LOL at Meaghansdad... sorry to say but starting a thread is no guarantee it's going to stay the way you want it to. Threads are organic... they evolve and have a life of their own. I guess most east/west side folks don't buy into the one side is more superior than the other angle, except in a whimsical way. |
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba
Post Number: 5800 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 12:23 pm: | |
jjaba met Gistok in an elevator downtown. Where ya live? Eastside says he. I'm sorry, says he. jjaba met Goblue in a dorm room at WMU. Where ya live at? Eastside says he. I'm sorry, says he. Detroit soldiers meet in foxholes in Europe, WW II. Where ya from, soldier? Where I'm from? Eastside. I'm sorry. jjaba, it's way back there in our brains out of ignorance. Never comtempt, just plain ignorance. |