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Wally
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Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 1:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I suppose after seeing your hard work get burned to the ground, some people figure "why bother?"
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CBC's coverage of Detroit's July, 1967:

http://www.cbc.ca/windsor/feat ures/detroit-riot/index.html

Also find discussion of Windsor's role here:

http://www.cbc.ca/windsor/feat ures/detroit-riot/windsor.html

Of interest may be this CBC interview with Gordon Lightfoot on the banning of his song "Black Day in July" (about July 1967 in Detroit) after the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.:

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-6 8-2170-13197-11/on_this_day/ar ts_entertainment/twt
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RB336. I doubt very many renters even know that exists. Regardless, it doesn't hurt to mow the damn lawn every now and then. We ar enot asking to have someone paint the house and pay for it, but the least they can do is keep things tidy. Pick up the toys strewn about, clean the porch where 4 months of mud during winter have built up; The typical stuff that ANYONE should do if they live there.
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A professor from the University of Arizona is working on a book about the Newark and Detroit Riots.
Rebellion or Riot? It may not be the question to ask, rather understanding the history may be more important. The demographics of Detroit changed dramatically in short period of time. Blacks did not have it easy, struggling for employment, housing and constant harassment from the police (just to name a few). Decide for yourself what really matters...this link is a great overview:
http://www.67riots.rutgers.edu /d_index.htm
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Janesback
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Their Legacy: Race Riots Doomed Detroit Forever


By Debbie Schlussel

Forty years ago today, several days of race riots began in Detroit.

On July 23, 1967, Black Panthers and assorted other Black extremists (with White hippies and far-leftists backing and encouraging them) eventually wrote their political epitaphs with it (though their movement unfortunately died a long, slow death--far past its time, if there ever was a time). But they robbed and killed Detroit--and a significant portion of Black America with it.

Black Panthers and their radical allies, supported by a thousands of Black Detroiters, rioted for days, starting fires and destroying the city. They wanted more power in the city. They wanted a Black Mayor, a Black police chief, a Black city council.

Scenes from the Detroit Race Riots of 1967 . . .





Detroit Black Panthers




Today, they have all those things. And they have nothing. They won the riots, they lost the war. And 43 people died--no, were murdered--in vain (along with countless others since).

As my Dad says, when the riots began, Gentile, White Detroiters ran out to buy bullets. Jews ran out to buy guns (way too late). But eventually, they all ran out--and away--from Detroit. Today, more than nine out of ten Detroiters are Black. And even Blacks are leaving the Detroit morass faster than Roger Bannister. The city is losing population by the tens of thousands, every year. Black Americans, like White Americans, don't want to live in the crime, failed schools, and other living conditions brought to you by the Detroit riots. Crime under Detroit's Black police chiefs (the city has had several) is at an all-time high, and Detroit Public Schools, under its Black superintendents and school boards (there have been several of those, too), are at their worst, with record high drop-out rates and numbers of illiterate graduates.

When Black radicals started the riots, they achieved their goal of driving out White Detroiters, but their separatism only isolated them. Unlike every other inner city in America, Detroit is not a tourist destination. It's not a place where suburbanites generally clamor to go to nightclubs and restaurants. It's simply too dangerous.

The violence and destruction of the riots never really went away, just the press coverage of it. Such prominent figures as the son of former Detroit Mayor Dennis Archer and the daughter of Detroit Tigers/Red Wings owner Mike Ilitch have been mugged.

During the Superbowl, with thousands of FBI and Homeland Security agents roaming around, there were two murders in the vicinity of the temporary bars and restaurants dotting the main drag of Woodward Avenue. I say "temporary" because that's what they were. Despite all the moving around of cranes to make it look like something--anything!--positive was going on in the city, Detroit Superbowl Committee personnel had to lease out shops, restaurants, and bars on 7-day leases. Any more than that, and they couldn't convince anyone to do business on the normally abandoned streets.

Crime is rampant, the city can't attract a major business, and the banana republicans on the city council junta are busy passing resolutions to name a tunnel after John Conyers, declaring Dubai a sister city of Detroit, and maintaining Sanctuary City status for illegal aliens. Monica Conyers (wife of the radical Congressman) is symbolic of the city council. Drunk and in fist fights at bars, she's a mess. And so is her legislative body and the city it governs.

With a pimp daddy mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, who dresses like a Gangsta and is involved in scandal after scandal, the city is the laughing stock. But, hey, the Mayor made an appearance on "Living Large," a now-cancelled national hip-hop show. Thank you very little. Kilpatrick, whom I like to call Kwame the Kingpin, was suspected in the drivebuy shooting of "Strawberry," a stripper who allegedly performed in the Mayoral Manoogian Mansion for "His Honor." He used his 21-bodyguard posse of police officers to serve as his personal harem-recruiter and to ferret him to and from different girlfriends.

These are the people who betrayed Blacks in Detroit, not the Whites who took White flight (followed by Black flight) from the city and gave them free reign to "run" the city . . . and fail magnificently. And, yet, they still blame even this on the White man.

Is it any surprise with "leadership" like this that the city is a ruin much used by Director Michael Bay as a set for movies. With the city a ghost town, even at lunchtime, he has a cornucopia of empty, decrepit, vandalized buildings--once grand palaces of business and industry--to choose from. And he doesn't have to deal with much traffic--by foot or car--interrupting his shoots.

Instead, Detroit is a burnt out shell. It is the only inner city in America that has not undergone a revival, a gentrification (even Cleveland--the former "Mistake on the Lake" was reborn). While some of that can be attributed to recent, never-ending downturns in the auto industry, this is a phenomenon that has metastasized throughout the city, even when Ford, GM, and Chrysler were at their height. Now, that they, too, are on the unreclaimable decline, it only helps solidiy Detroit's rigor mortis.

Drive down the Lodge Freeway, the main artery from Detroit's Northwest suburbs into the city, and you will see burnt out house after burnt out house dotting the freeway. All of them are in Detroit, and all of them--in their burnt out "splendor"--have sat vacant and ashen for years.

Ten years ago, when I was sworn in to practice before U.S. District Court, my father took me to lunch. We walked down the streets of downtown Detroit on a beautiful spring day, but there was hardly a soul as far as the eye could see. Ten years later, nothing has changed. It's only gotten worse.

Detroit is in the worst condition of any major city in America, except perhaps New Orleans, and that took a hurricane, an act of G-d. Three weeks ago, A&P-owned Farmer Jack--the last national supermarket in Detroit, the last large national retailer in the city--closed its doors and said Sayonara to the environs South of Eight Mile.

This is the legacy of the Detroit riots. And despite all the Detroit newspaper and media hype that those days are over, their legacy has only just begun.

To the last Black Panther leaving Detroit: Don't forget to turn out the lights. And start your usual fires, in their place.

Osama Bin Laden has a better chance of getting elected President than Detroit has of arising from the dead.

As Mark Twain might say, reports of its rebirth have been highly exaggerated.

Posted by Debbie at 11:24 AM | Comments (21) | Printer Friendly

Old MacDonald Had a Farm . . .
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Oldredfordette
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Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 10:39 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That nasty piece of shit Schlussel.
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Iheartthed
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"Goat -- in many communities, maintenance of public areas of rental properties is the sole duty of the property owner, unless specifically stated in a lease agreement. "

And it seems pretty logical to me!
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Detroit_stylin
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Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 11:09 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This Debbie person can't possibly write for any credible real publication can she? I can see the bias in that racist POS she calls a report.....
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Pam
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quote:

I can see the bias in that racist POS she calls a report.....



Yeah, pretty blatant.
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Pam
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What's with Ms. Schlussel's preoccupation with the Black Panthers? I've never read any credible source that said they were involved.

quote:

Detroit is in the worst condition of any major city in America, except perhaps New Orleans,



Has she even been to Detroit lately?
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Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 1:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

probably - as far as I know she's from Southfield
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Bp313mi
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In just the past 10 years our downtown has come a long way, it looks better than ever (since most of can remember anyway). Yes, the neighborhoods have a LONG way to go. Bickering back and forth about who is to BLAME and why is getting us no where. We need to keep moving forward and stay positive, even under harsh circumstances. Comparing Detroit to "other major cities" is unfair. Chicago is the only true tourist city in the midwest. Why compare? At least we don't live in Ohio. : 0
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some good photos http://www.philcherner.com/Det roit%20Riot/Detroit%20Riot.htm
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We have to look at who to blame so we can see if the problems are still existent. The problem with the Detroit riots date back to the 50s when whites were leaving Detroit at a rate of 20,000 a year. These numbers were so huge mainly because the major auto companies started to build these factories in the suburbs, leaving the blacks with the older factories with not as new technology.

So when one looks at the city, one can already see the large disinvestment created by the auto-companies.

Plus, the loss of jobs due to the auto companies is more to blame for the poverty running throughout Detroit.

And to Bp313, as a man from Chicago, who lives in Chicago right now, our downtown means nothing to the people who actually live here. If anything, be afraid of that what happened here is going to happen in Detroit: the residents who have stayed in Detroit are going to be moved to the suburbs due to the rising property taxes. Seriously, Chicago has gotten gentrified, but the amount of poor people existent in the Chicago area has actually become bigger than before, we have all just been forced farther and farther away from the downtown area to even the suburbs. Thats why I dont care about how someone changed a neighborhood if it means one had to kick everyone out rather than give people jobs.

And before you say it is just the market economy, it was part of the racist plan formulated by the original Richard J. Daley to make all the poor working class people operate in the outskirts of the city.

So be afraid of the "beautification" of detroit, it could just mean the relocation of the poor rather than making them active participants.
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Craig
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Kern said: "the major auto companies started to build these factories in the suburbs, leaving the blacks with the older factories with not as new technology."

Are you suggesting that there was a deliberate plan on the part of the Big Three to dispose of the urban workforce? Couldn't building outside of the City (and even outside of the state) have had EVERYTHING to do with the fact that the City was built out? I don't see any racism here.
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Thejesus
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Here we go...blame the suburbs again...yes, businesses started to relocate to the suburbs...but you fail to as WHY they relocated to the suburbs...nothing forced them to...the mere fact that the suburbs were an option doesn't mean they was an option that businesses had to exercise...
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I think it was rebellion. The 1967 riots were not race riots. The primary activity was looting, not interracial violence. The 1943 riots, on the other hand, were clearly race riots.
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Why is it never mentioned that the riots began after a blind big was raided? What I can not understand is when does anyone become accountable for their own actions?

The rioters, burned and looted businesses and homes in their OWN neigborhoods. Black and white owned businesses and homes. Regardless of what the political pundits on either side say, the actions of these people were not an indication of the conditions in Detroit. They were the actions of those who saw an opportunity and took it.

In 1967 Detroit wasn't the "ghetto". It had the highest rate of African American home ownership in the country. To be sure it wasn't perfect, there was the nasty institution of redlining. And once the Black Bottom district was gone it was difficult for many black citizens to find homes and build that same since of community. And Detroit's de facto segregation was very evident.

As early as 1965 Detroit had elected a pro integration school board, "but by 1969 the board had run into bitter opposition not only from the usual sources but also from many blacks who favored community control of parts of the school district. These blacks reasoned that certain schools might be all-black but they would be controlled by black communities." (History of the Sixth Circuit Court, Desegregation and Remedies, by Samuel S. Wilson)

Jerome Cavanagh Mayor during the riots, was the first Detroit Mayor to address Detroit's ongoing racial divide. As his first act as mayor, he ordered the city to institute non-discriminatory hiring practices. He named African Americans to several important positions in his new administration, including its chief financial officer. Cavanagh named George Edwards as his police commissioner. Edwards began as a union organizer for UAW Local 174, in the late 1930s; as Detroit housing commissioner during World War II, he had supported integration.

He was linked closely with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. when he supported the 1963 March to Freedom in Detroit. He endorsed the black communities demands for an open housing ordinance banning neighborhood discrimination and he demanded the building trades in Detroit end their discriminatory ways in hiring.

He was the first white mayor of a major American city to do those and many other things to ease the racial tensions.

Perfect? No. He never allowed a civilian police review board. But he did push for the hiring of more black police officers.

However, the police force had only about 5% black officers at the time of the riots. And police brutality was reported consistently.

Things were not perfect in Detroit in the 60's but we did have a Mayor that saw the need to change things and he was trying, very hard to make those changes.

That all said it leads me to the beginning of my post.... This riot began because of a raid on an ILLEGAL blind pig. How does breaking the law relate to racial oppression?

Coleman Young was given 5 terms as mayor to rebuild this city... He spent most of that time pointing fingers at everyone else, and doing nothing for the citizens that elected him. He spent 4 terms too many in the office of mayor.

Dennis Archer tried his best but I got the feeling that his constituents didn't think he was black enough.

And now we have Kilpatrick..... it's "deja vu" all over again.
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My comments on the Riots as it was posted on this website as well as NPR on July 23....

http://www.67riots.rutgers.edu /d_index.htm
http://www.npr.org/templates/s tory/story.php?storyId=1217146 4

The 1943 Riot was a race riot. The 1967 riot was a result of racial tension and frustration. Not condoning it just analyzing it...
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And thats exactly what it was Timmy despite other people's way of trying to simplify it to fit their simplistic and predictable views...
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We stood outside our home that night in 1967and looked towards downtown the sky was red and yellow from the fires. I was just a kid and did not understand.Until a few years later when i joined the Marines and went to Nam. Then as now i understand...........
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From the Rutgers web site-
"The Detroit Riot of 1967 began when police vice squad officers executed a raid on an after hours drinking club or “blind pig” in a predominantly black neighborhoods located at Twelfth Street and Clairmount Avenue. They were expecting to round up a few patrons, but instead found 82 people inside holding a party for two returning Vietnam veterans. Yet, the officers attempted to arrest everyone who was on the scene. While the police awaited a “clean-up crew” to transport the arrestees, a crowd gathered around the establishment in protest. After the last police car left, a small group of men who were “confused and upset because they were kicked out of the only place they had to go” lifted up the bars of an adjacent clothing store and broke the windows. From this point of origin, further reports of vandalism diffused. Looting and fires spread through the Northwest side of Detroit, then crossed over to the East Side. Within 48 hours, the National Guard was mobilized, to be followed by the 82nd airborne on the riot’s fourth day. As police and military troops sought to regain control of the city, violence escalated. At the conclusion of 5 days of rioting, 43 people lay dead, 1189 injured and over 7000 people had been arrested."
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Having lived and worked in the bars in Detroit, the direct word from the rioters was the fear that 1967 would be a repeat of 1943 when police beat and killed blacks who got out of line while leaving whites unharmed and unarrested.

Forget your history and you will re-live it and people in 1967 paid for the sins of their racist fathers and mothers from 1943. Only one generation had passed but memories were still fresh among blacks that the police were not friends and it was payback time.

here is news to refresh your selected memories

The riot began on June 20, 1943, on Belle Isle when roughly one hundred thousand Detroiters gathered to enjoy the hot Sunday afternoon. Hostile confrontations between young blacks and whites broke out throughout the day, and fights erupted on the bridge connecting Belle Isle to southeast Detroit. Rumors of race war roused whites and blacks, who both took to the streets near Belle Isle and in the downtown area and attacked passersby, streetcars, and property. Blacks in Paradise Valley (“Black Bottom”) looted white-owned shops; whites overturned and burned cars of black drivers on Woodward Avenue. The Detroit police, however, sympathized with the white rioters and were brutal to the blacks: 17 blacks were shot to death by the police, but no whites.

The riot came to an end once Mayor Edward Jeffries Jr. and Governor Harry Kelly asked President Roosevelt for help. In response, federal troops in armored cars and jeeps with automatic weapons drove down Woodward Avenue. The appearance of the troops with their overwhelming firepower succeeded in dispersing the mobs. Over the course of three days, 34 people were killed, of whom 25 were black. 675 suffered serious injuries, and 1,893 were arrested.
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"1967 Riot or Rebellion"

riot.
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Vato7959....Your thoughts are very much in-line with my family's experiences while living on The Bottom (1965-67). The race riot of 1943 was only twenty-two years distant; the wounds were still open - especially among people who suffered personal losses. Yet and still, in our neighborhood during July of 1967, we saw white folks and black folks looting together....being shot at together.

I would say that the growing militancy of the Black Power Movement (during the mid/late 1960s); the 1967 Riots and the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. combined to bring on a frenzy of race related violence in Detroit (1965-1980).

PS I almost forgot one key element: the white-on-black violence in the southern U.S. during the 1960s. I would cringe whenever network news broadcasts aired footage of black folks being set upon by mobs and police dogs - it usually meant an ass-kicking for me and family members the very next day.

PPS Another thing that sucked: when our deep-thinking Principal at Duffield Elementary brought everyone into the auditorium for newsreel presentations on civil rights violence in the South. That usually resulted in mob violence on my skinny white ass - same day.



(Message edited by chuckjav on October 30, 2007)

(Message edited by chuckjav on October 30, 2007)
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Just read that very biased and mean-spirited article written by Debbie Schlussel. It didn't enlighten me or inspire me... it just saddened me to be reminded that there are people like her who don't mind giving off the impression that they have a deep and pure hatred of all things Black in Detroit and want to let the world know.

It's kinda scary to know that there are people so narrow-minded and unwilling to consider, even for a moment, that Blacks had it rough - really rough - in Detroit and a riot was bound to happen.

No acknowledgment of the documented police brutality, rampant racial discrimination and other humiliating social injustices suffered by Blacks at the hands of the predominantly white police department. Not even a cursory attempt by the poster to diffuse the hateful nature of the article. Just a word for word regurgitation of an article written by spiteful individual.

To me, it's sorta like an anti-Semite posting excerpts from Hitler's speeches and then saying "What?? I didn't say it... I was just sharing what HE said!"

I find that disgusting and cowardly at best.
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kat....What article are you referring to?
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The one posted by Janesback... about 20 or so up from here.
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Chuckjav
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kat...Yikes - I see what you mean; that lady writes like some kind of lunatic.

Besides, the 1967 Riot was more or less a free-for-all, involving white and black criminals; all the political rhetoric came after the smoke had settled