  Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6070 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
A Virginia anti-abortion protester is suing the City of Detroit, charging that city police officers illegally arrested him and impounded his truck that featured graphic posters of aborted fetuses. The incident happened to Dennis Green of suburban Richmond in February during Super Bowl XL. http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20060608/NEW S01/606080439/1003 | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6071 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
Here it is:  | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 1713 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 70.141.78.246 |
Pretty interesting case, actually. I wonder if there are precedents. | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 846 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 68.60.177.56 |
I saw it! It was awesome. They were jumping up and down. | ||
Andylinn Member Username: Andylinn Post Number: 87 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 68.40.195.233 |
it sounds to me like the hick guy doesn't have a case. if, as it says in the article, there is a city ordinance against mobile advertising, then this jack ass loses the case. thanks for wasting our tax dollars on legal fees, mr. man. | ||
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man Post Number: 756 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 199.178.193.5 |
He very well be a hick, and you may not agree with his message nor how he communicates it.....but he may very well have a good case, although monetary damages would be difficult to asses, as he likely lost nothing. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6079 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.213.167 |
Amendment I Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech... or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated... The police were wrong to stop the guy and seize his truck. My guess is that the City will settle for $50,000. (Message edited by itsjeff on June 08, 2006) | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2320 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.54.234 |
I am so glad that I am pro-choice. | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 235 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 4.229.12.104 |
Is Karl flying in to attend the trial? | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 2887 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.47.100.44 |
I heard Karl's selling t-shirts at the trial. | ||
Thursdaynext Member Username: Thursdaynext Post Number: 36 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 69.212.45.121 |
So if children that saw this guys vehicle are currently experiencing nightmares after having been exposed to these graphics, can their parents sue him for the emotional trauma he has caused these kids? "Regardless of its source, an emotional trauma contains three common elements: * it was unexpected * the person was unprepared * there was nothing the person could do to prevent it from happening" BTW - I bring this up because I still get a little weirded out when I think about this traveling display they had when I was a kid. It was at the Livonia Mall and it was a large bus that housed displays of items used by police, prisons, etc. One of the items was an actual gas chair used for putting criminals to their deaths. There was a small picture above it, showing a person strapped into the contraption. As a kid I found this very disturbing. | ||
Tortfeasor Member Username: Tortfeasor Post Number: 459 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.208.121.229 |
The government is allowed to place reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions on speech. Here, there is an ordinance prohibitting advertisements on trucks, mainly because they tend to distract drivers. There is nothing wrong with such an ordinance--they are routinely upheld. | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 334 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.41.145.5 |
"Here, there is an ordinance prohibitting advertisements on trucks, mainly because they tend to distract drivers." Then why is the ordinance only in effect during large events as the article states? This ordinace was all about controlling who was adverising during the SB and how much money the city/event could get from them. It'll all depend on the exact wording of the ordinance. In my opinion that guys truck is really no different than the gentleman I saw down there during the SB who stood on the sidewalk and yelled bible versus and talked about God (poice did nothing) as people walked by. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 2743 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.230.22.99 |
The only protests are from hand-wringers like Itsjeff who started this thread. Reality is just so - so - awful that folks like Itsjeff really can't face it. When a small group of loud people get in bureaucrats faces and scream, bureaucrats issue tickets and seize stuff to make 'em happy. Now the bureaucrats will have to settle up for singling this guy out to appease the whiners. If only the folks knew how much the small group of whiners cost all the taxpayers, they might not be supportive. Disturbing pictures? Oh no, we can't have that. But teach your kids they'd better learn to accept gay marriage or else. Funny how all that "acceptance" stuff only seems to work one way. | ||
Tortfeasor Member Username: Tortfeasor Post Number: 460 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.208.121.229 |
I was just giving one of the rationales behind the ordinance. Frankly, it doesn't really matter why they passed it because such ordinances are routinely upheld by courts. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6093 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.213.167 |
Karl, look again. I'm the one who quoted the Constitution, said that the police shouldn't have detained the guy and predicted that this will cost the city $50,000. Of course the "Truth Truck" is awful. But what's worse is living in a society where the police can arbitrarily seize your car be cause they don't lke the way it looks. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 2749 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.230.22.99 |
I apologize, Itsjeff - I didn't read closely enough and you indeed are fair. The "Truth Truck" is awful - because cutting up and killing babies is awful. Perhaps someday folks will learn to choose before they get pregnant, instead of killing 'em later for "convenience" Ilovedetroit: I'm so glad your mother was pro-life. | ||
7milekid Member Username: 7milekid Post Number: 71 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.41.222.28 |
anyone who says that this man has the right to do what he did MUST accept the fact that people also have the right to have an abortion if they choose to, there can't be a double standard here or else it defeats your whole argument. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 2757 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.230.22.99 |
Hardly, 7milekid. Does allowing the posting of pictures of the result of the Holocaust mean folks have a right to continue it? Do you have a right to life, or would you have told your mama "go ahead, abort me - I'm not worth a thing, now or later"? At the moment of conception you were created - DNA that will never occur again in the history of the planet. As the words of a song say: "There'll never be another you...." - dead or alive. Did you ever wonder if perhaps we'd have cured AIDS, cancer, diabetes, etc altogether, or faster, if we'd not aborted 44,000,000 since 1973? Thankfully, your mother was pro-life or it coulda' been your picture on the side of the truck.. (Message edited by karl on June 10, 2006) | ||
7milekid Member Username: 7milekid Post Number: 73 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.41.222.28 |
using the example of genocide to relate to abortion is ludacris. As a matter of fact my mother is pro-choice and she chose to give birth to me which was her right. She had the means to give birth into a stable family with a supportive father and home, many of the people that have abortions aren't so lucky. Im not excusing abortion because people should think about the conciquences before hand, but its not anyones choice but the individual affected. Once again you have contradictted yourself within your own argument. However, abortion is too heated of a topic for me to debate any further with you. I assume you are a right wing religious zealot, so no matter what I or anyone else has to say you wouldnt be willing to listen. Listen to what we say or we'll hurt you! As for the dude with the truck, I hope they file some type of counter suit and prosecute him. He is guilty of subjecting people to things that they neither needed or wanted to see. Could you imagine the reaction from this guy if someone made an anti porn truck with pornography on it?! That wouldnt be ok, and neither is this. (Message edited by 7milekid on June 10, 2006) | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 2761 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.230.22.99 |
7milekid - sorry, you're the one who won't listen. I used to be just like you, then I started listening - and thinking. Your porn truck argument doesn't work - sorta like saying if you don't like the porn channels, don't look. Now, about your mama: please ask her how she decided which ones to kill and which ones to keep. Lucky you! Not sure what you mean by a "right wing religious zealot" but if you mean that I believe in something, yes I do, along with most folks. But I don't think that is what you mean, is it? And why is the holocaust example "ludicris"? You simply stated that, with no reason behind it. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 693 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 192.195.66.44 |
I know of someone's mom who should have had an abortion. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 837 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
"I know of someone's mom who should have had an abortion." It's quite probable that you're not made of top cloning material yourself. | ||
Irish_mafia Member Username: Irish_mafia Post Number: 535 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.229.40.99 |
Karl, I will let your comment to Ilovedetroit stand. Mine was less compassionate. | ||
Mountainman Member Username: Mountainman Post Number: 71 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 153.90.110.12 |
I was thinking of putting pictures on the side of 1984 Volkswagon of homeless, poor, and destitute people who were not aborted. Maybe drug addicted babies. Or really twisted looking kids, born with numerous birth defects. I'm thinking about driving it to this dude's town and maybe parking somewhere up the street from him. Think he would complain to the police? | ||
Superduperman Member Username: Superduperman Post Number: 100 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 69.242.221.36 |
What about that Ikea Truck? Riding around showing its wears,forcing me to consider shopping there,it was very disturbing for me. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6116 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.213.167 |
The Ikea truck is commerce. It can be more easily regulated than speech. | ||
Mountainman Member Username: Mountainman Post Number: 74 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 153.90.110.12 |
Great back to Ikea ....... They were trying to honour the Swedes on the wings | ||
Themax Member Username: Themax Post Number: 16 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 69.246.123.118 |
How about some pictures of the fetuses without brainstems aborted by Republican women who testified before Congress against the "partial birth abortion" ban? | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 2874 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.230.22.99 |
No one ever said it was a one-party issue, Themax. However, it is largely the Dems who are against the partial birth abortion (infanticide) ban as well as any restriction any abortion. | ||
Kimmiann Member Username: Kimmiann Post Number: 50 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 155.139.40.51 |
Karl - you don't know that ilovedetroit's mother is pro-life. It's entirely likely she was/is pro-choice and made the choice to have her child/children. Personally, I would be offended if you had said that to one of my children, which I chose to have, as is my right. |
