  Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 466 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.42.23.2 |
http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/9183099/detail.html The $68,000 Dodge Magnum was inside a garage on Alcoy Street in northeast Detroit completely stripped down. Damn shame... | ||
Jsmith9423 Member Username: Jsmith9423 Post Number: 7 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 141.211.34.241 |
Good! Now I guess the people who need to hear the message will now get it. WJLB plays all of that gansta "crap" and look where it got'em. :-) | ||
7milekid Member Username: 7milekid Post Number: 13 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.41.222.28 |
Jsmith, WJLB doesn't play any "gangsta" rap. No radio stations play that stuff anymore, it hasn't been popular since the mid nineties. If by "gangsta" rap you mean hip-hop music, then yes they do play that. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 1796 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 129.9.163.234 |
It has nothing to do with the music they play. It has everything to do with it being a $68,000 Magnum. All the after market stuff is easy to fence. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 468 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.42.23.2 |
.... on a Chrysler vehicle.. the most insecure vehicles.. I hope it was insured | ||
Pacypacy_ Member Username: Pacypacy_ Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 136.181.195.84 |
Ndavies, I have to disagree with you: "It has nothing to do with the music they play. It has everything to do with it being a $68,000 Magnum. All the after market stuff is easy to fence." Whether it's worth 68 G's or not and whether or not it's "easy to fence", what it has to "do" with is someone taking something that doesn't belong to them. It's not JLB's fault for having an expensive ride. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 469 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.42.23.2 |
I bet more than anything it was a dare or done for bragging rights. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 823 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.39.170.90 |
It was done so it could be stripped and the parts could be sold -- just like any other car that's stolen in the city. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1763 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Susanarosa I dare you to steal Viziondetroit car. We can all have a big laugh about it after we strip it for parts and make a little change. Plus you will have bragging rights. | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 626 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.176.123 |
JLB plays a lot of gangsta rap, although a lot of it is not as in your face as the gangsta rap of the mid 90s. Look at their top 10 or last 10 played lists on their web site -- T.I., Young Jeezy, Chamillionaire. All of those artists rely heavily on gangsta rap roots. Trick Trick's "Welcome to Detroit" anthem, another gangsta rap song, was placed in heavy rotation. However, it's not all gangsta rap. E-40's "Tell Me When To Go", a song more about dancing and going buck wild, is one of its top songs right now. But don't tell me JLB doesn't play gangsta rap. As long as mainstream hip hop embraces gangsta rap then so will JLB. However, I don't think the theft has as much to do with the music the station plays as it does with having a lot of expensive stuff in a flashy car. Bottom line is it's all about the money. Somebody saw the chance to make quick buck and jumped at it. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 470 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.42.23.2 |
"All of those artists rely heavily on gangsta rap roots." "As long as mainstream hip hop embraces gangsta rap then so will JLB." it's a different beast..Gangsta rap was a fad.. I would say these days it would be better classified as Material Rap.. rapping about what they have and how they are stunna's and balla's. Gansta rap was violent in theme.. we have minutely progressed lol... | ||
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840 Post Number: 202 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 12.31.43.194 |
This is just one more reason to ban rap music. Why are we allowing this garbage to be fed to our children? | ||
Tayshaun22 Member Username: Tayshaun22 Post Number: 133 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.14.101.116 |
Crime didn't begin because of gangsta rap, come on people. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 7366 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19 |
It is easier to ban things than watch what their children listen to if parents don't approve. It's the American way. Expect the government to ban everything so parents don't have to. | ||
Spidergirl Member Username: Spidergirl Post Number: 206 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 63.77.247.130 |
Iseries840 - you could say the same thing about rock music, video games and violence in movies as well. If you don't want something fed to your children, you should be involved in the decision to limit what they hear, see, watch etc. up to a certain age. Parents can't blame socieity or pop culture on how it affects their children. | ||
Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 102 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 70.212.20.130 |
It's called "freedom of speech" iseries840. If you ban music (artistic speech), that same precedent can be used to ban political speech, social speech, etc. | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 627 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.176.123 |
I'd say that a lot of today's mainstream hip hop is a hybrid of the materialism of Puffy and the violence of Death Row. Most mainstream rappers today are just as easy to rap about being a crime boss as they are about all the bling they wear. But the gangsta rap aspect is still quite visible. You are far more likely to hear a T.I. or Young Jeezy record on JLB or Hot 102.7 today than a Common or Talib Kweli song. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 471 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.42.23.2 |
I agree above, Parents need to be parents.. many times parents expect/ think that TV, internet, radio etc.. to be censored babysitters. It is heavily weighted on upbringing, parental enforcement, and not sugarcoating (censoring things) We all want what we can't or shouldn't have. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 869 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 70.88.106.173 |
Sounds like very creative and mordacious advertising promotion to me!__ trick'n the public souls into a simple con game of life.....right? All the while 'WJLB' enjoys the proceeds of the con. maybe we got 'played'......? super d(motordetroit) | ||
Rustic Member Username: Rustic Post Number: 2420 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 130.132.177.245 |
... strip my ride ... a new TV show | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 2069 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.65 |
Super_d, you may be right! Look at all the extra "air time" this got in the local media, WJLB got a lot of free publicity out of this one. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 871 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 70.88.106.173 |
'hood rule ' #16 don't steal any media owned vehicle, unless you have no other way to get away! until I see a real arrest on this..... JLB's hands are all over this one! super d(motordetroit) | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 5867 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.213.167 |
The vehicle was taken during a career event at Osbourn High School. Awfully progressive of Detroit Public Schools, to name a high school after Ozzie. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 1799 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 129.9.163.105 |
I don't think it was a con job from the station. Way too much at risk for the radio station if they were to be caught for insurance fraud. However, It was definitely an inside job. The car was driven away from the school. There is no way to start a new Magnum without the key. New Magnums have the Sentri Key feature standard. It takes a properly encoded key to start the car. Punching the lock or hotwiring the car won't work. Someone must have left the keys in it.  | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 631 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.176.123 |
You'd be surprised how many people leave their keys in their car, their car unlocked or their car running and unlocked. It happens so often that most people would shake their head right off their shoulders thinking about it. A little common sense goes a long way in protecting your car and property. | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 816 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 209.104.146.146 |
Crime is the direct result of hip hop music. It's science. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 2072 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.65 |
E_hemingway, I absolutely agree with you... it's amazing at how many people do that. I see people at 7-Elevens and gas stations in SCS leaving their cars running all the time. Of course I also see people pumping gas and using their cell phones a lot also.... DUMB!! One of the leading causes of car fires at gas stations is by static electricity from cell phones. | ||
Toolbox Member Username: Toolbox Post Number: 905 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.184.29.148 |
A cell phone is no more a producer of static charge than a sweater. The cell phone thing is urban ledgend. | ||
Dag Member Username: Dag Post Number: 213 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.188.238.215 |
Here is the history on the urban legend of cell phones causing fires while refueling. This is a complete urban legend. http://www.snopes.com/autos/ha zards/gasvapor.asp | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 825 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.79.94.221 |
Did anyone see the Mythbusters they did on that? The amount of static they needed to blow up a car that is fueling was gigantic. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1606 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.209.158.194 |
The problem I have with folks always saying that parents are responsible for what their kids see or hear is that parents with the best intentions can't safeguard against everything. I can forbid my kids from buying music with explicit lyrics, but does that stop them from listening to it on their ipod or a friend's ipod on the way to and from school. I can monitor what my kids view on the internet, but if I go to the bathroom they still have time to view a raunchy video (like "Shake that A-- for me" by Eminem). If I send my kids over to one of their friend's house these days I need to have hired a private investigator to check out the parents and the home before sending them. What safeguards do the friend's parents have in place if they go to bed early and their son or daughter has a computer in their room that has no parental controls? My point here is that parents can be very vigilent but their kids will still be exposed to things they don't want them to see or hear because there is just so much out there that a parent can't protect them from it all. At this point I can hear the free speech advocates say, "You have got to tell them about the evils that are out there so they'll know how to handle them when they come across them." The problem with this rationale is that as a parent you are forced to tell your kids about these things at much earlier ages. You have to do this just because someone wants to express their first amendment right to put out any kind of obscene material because they want to, and the fact that they're not the least bit worried about decency is what's scary. You know I can say the F-word whenever I want but that doesn't mean I have to. Whether or not the stealing of the WJLB promotional ride was fate getting even for the music they now play, I do remember a time when what was played on WJLB your whole family could listen to. Somewhere, in order to get away with playing the crude or misogynistic rap music they now play, WJLB forced adults to find a radio station that plays "grown folks" music. WJLB would market this growing "rap crap" to the kids. Well, if you leave the kids alone to their own devices, with little education and world experience, you see what they sow, "I'm in love with a stripper, Shake that A-- for me, It's hard out here for a pimp, and my personal favorite: "Booty, booty, booty everywhere." Songs to remember in your old age about your youth. Incredible. (Message edited by royce on May 09, 2006) | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 472 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.42.176.190 |
lol... good post Royce singing... I'm in love with a stripper........ | ||
Drdetroit Member Username: Drdetroit Post Number: 90 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 68.79.103.130 |
BIG DEAL - When they found my hooptie up on jefferson no one made a thread about that. Shhee | ||
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox Post Number: 14 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 69.209.130.199 |
Royce- The problem with your argument is that you are determining, on behalf of society as a whole, what is and isn't morally acceptable. Your values are not universal, as witnessed by the fact that many musicians see fit to express views you don't find acceptable, and that many, many people enjoy listening to their music. I can't tell you how to raise your children, but neither should you be able to restrict my access to music because it conflicts with your values. If you honestly can't find a way to censor your children from the outside world without imposing your values on anyone else, look to the Amish- they've been doing it for generations and are quite effective at it. And they know how to raise chickens. | ||
Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 105 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 70.212.13.53 |
The issue is that children now are exposed to much more than they were even ten years ago. 150 years ago, you could control who your children associated with, and hence, what they were exposed to, simply by not allowing them to go outside and interact with the folks who came by. We were an agragrian society. Then, upon the advent of the Insustrial age, our children were exposed to more because we lived in denser neighborhoods, typically in urban areas where the factories were located. Now, the "neighborhood community" consists of the entire world because of the Internet (thanks Al Gore!)(just joking). On the other hand, the "global neighborhood" created by the Internet can be harnessed for great good, as well as great evil. We used to control what our children watched on television. Now, we have to control the information accessed on the Internet. Additionally, 150 years ago, people were married with children by the time they were 14 years old. They had as many children as they could because they needed help on the farm, as we were an agrarian society. We consider 14 year olds as "children" today because our standards have risen. For example, today a bachelor's degree is the equivalent of the high school diploma of 50 to 75 years ago. Since we must do more to reach the same level as many years ago, we, as a society, have determined that you are not an adult until you are in your twenties. Nothing that is occuring now is earth-shattering. We simply are more aware of what occurs as a result of the increased access to information the Internet affords. We simply must step up our game as adults. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 639 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
"We consider 14 year olds as "children" today because our standards have risen. For example, today a bachelor's degree is the equivalent of the high school diploma of 50 to 75 years ago. Since we must do more to reach the same level as many years ago, we, as a society, have determined that you are not an adult until you are in your twenties." What Ron seems to misinterpret is that oh-so-many (especially in Detroit) of today's HS graduates have twelve years of post-kindergarten schooling in lieu of a dozen years worth of education. Our (high? hah!) standards are meaningless because they're not enforced. Kids get passed on to the next grade due solely to getting a year older. The standards in our schools are like a hurdles-racing track without the hurdles. Many college "students" require up to two years of remediation (high school) courses in college to prepare them for basic, elementary college-level coursework. | ||
Deputy_mayor_2026 Member Username: Deputy_mayor_2026 Post Number: 41 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
I think the lack of social funding and the pretenses holding inner-city inhabitants back are more to blame for crime than rap. Rap is merely a product of this and African-American frustration with the economy as well as society of the US. Titles like "Ball of Confusion" and the "Message" are evidence of this. Censoring children is useless because there will come a time when they will have to face such explicit themes. Of course there is some need for restriction, but as children age they should be taught to interpret different media. Parents would do better to create a strong moral value system that can enable youth to tell the difference between right and wrong things than simply block what they consider to be "bad." | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10049 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
One of the most meaningful rap songs to come out in a long while. | ||
Deputy_mayor_2026 Member Username: Deputy_mayor_2026 Post Number: 43 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
Doesn't top "I like Big Butts," but it has been a while since that. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 83 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 71.227.26.9 |
Not to get too far off the subject, but: Obviously a society that wrongly holds celebrities in such high esteem allows unsuitable messages to be legitimized through certain kinds of music. When corporate America hires certain rappers, many admitted ex-criminals, to endorse mainstream products, the power of legitimacy is amplified even more. Snoop Dogg is an admitted ex-dope dealer, Tupac was a convicted rapist, 50 cent is an ex-felon, and we all know about Proof. These are only a few examples of people that have been held up as role models for the youth of this country. Censorship may not be the answer, but I think the voices of Spike Lee and Bill Cosby, who have condemned the “gansta” culture should be heard and echoed to offset the negative message that much of this music puts across. Eminem made a statement which basically downplayed the violent manner in which Proof died, wanting to emphasize how he “lived.” The problem is the way he lived and died are inseparable, he had a history of violent behavior in his past and that is also how he died. He also put across violent themes in his music. I am sure many rap artists would say they are only “keeping it real,” but the cycle is clear. Violence creates a culture that promotes violence through music, and that music then seems to legitimize violent behavior as many of these artists have become famous and wealthy exploiting these themes. Ironically most of them are phony as they either no longer live in the “hood” or never did. Through their wealth they no longer have to deal with the consequences of their messages of violence and disrespect for women. Sadly millions of these women are raising their children on their own, whilst these kids see and hear images of "ho's" and "bitches." Eminem apparently does not allow his daughter to listen to his music nor does he swear in her presence. Of course he does not hesitate to rap about the most vile themes ever heard on his CD’s and he is fully aware that many very young people are listening to this music and are looking upon him as a role model. This is hypocrisy of the highest order and responsible leaders in the music industry and the community at large should be calling him out for that. Some do I suppose but not enough. Parents can try as they might to keep these messages from their kids, but the allure is great as the celebrity lifestyle is glorified and seems very attractive with the trappings of fame and wealth. | ||
Deputy_mayor_2026 Member Username: Deputy_mayor_2026 Post Number: 44 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
Perfect gentleman is pretty much right on with his diagnosis. By teaching children and educating them about the products of violence and sexism, we can reduce the effect of these misfits who are popularized by American culture. There will always be hate, prejudice, and crime in any nation or community, but progress can me made to minimize it. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1607 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.209.158.194 |
Bearinabox, the Amish have to go to great lengths to keep their children from the things our children are exposed to. Avoiding electricity eliminates for the Amish most of the contaminants that our children are exposed to via the TV, radio, and internet. To ask someone in this society to raise their kids like the Amish is to tell them to go live like the Amish. This is unrealistic. As a grown-up, Bearinabox, you want to have access to everything possible. The problem with this desire is that this access for you opens up the door for children as well. When porn can be downloaded on to a picture phone, how are you going to prevent children from seeing it? What new device will have to be invented to prevent this material from reaching our children? What new explanation do I give my children to explain away this new threat? How many times will parents have to explain to children what an adult-themed issue is about? The costs for our freedoms in this society appears to be our children. How can we expect them to stay on the straight and narrow when we keep exposing them to more and more "grown-up" things? All the exposure to profanity, sex, and violence has its toll. Just listen to what comes out of the mouths of a group of kids at the mall. Listen to young adults talk about their sexual experiences. Observe the kinds of violent crimes that are being committed by our youth, especially here in Detroit. The toll is mounting. The toll is mounting. | ||
Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 108 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 70.212.96.98 |
Livernoisyard, My analysis simply takes into account the quantity of education required today that is the equivalent of far less education many years ago. I am not speaking on the quality of education many young people are receiving today, which, I agree, could be far better. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 645 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
Detroit's 60ish% functional illiteracy rate of its residents is living proof of the abysmally low quality of its education system, DPS. I'm sure it's the result of a number of suspected reasons--probably all contributing in tandem. Replete with curricula miles wide and a nanometer in depth. (Message edited by LivernoisYard on May 10, 2006) | ||
Black_barbie Member Username: Black_barbie Post Number: 9 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 136.181.195.84 |
I hear a lot of talk about musicians and artists should be responsible for what they say...and to some degree they should... however, you do know that artists have been doing "unmoral" things for centuries...going against the grain and depicting society for what it is, as a means of "waking people up." you do know, that artists (especially hip hop artists) do not own, take part, or make decisions in major media , not even small media...someone besides them want what they're producing out in the public more then they do... And as an artist, myself, these companies know exactly what they're doing and what product they want to push to certain demographics and communities...it's about making money. They also find the most talented people to create pop culture and tell them to dumb down their lyrics & talents to market what sells (i.e sex, money, and violence)...this sh#t happens in all media outlets, look at the film industry as well...the even find the most non-talented "eye-candied" bodies and make them popular as well...again it's about making money. By the way, there's tons of hip-hop (thousands of artists you've never even heard of) that's positive and it talks about upliftment...but do you think they'll get as much air time as the violent songs? No. Common, Talib, and Mos Def have been rapping for years...their fan base is undeniable that's why they can sell out concerts...but even on a good day, Common won't sell as many records as 50 Cent, because the media companies & advertising companies won't be quick to put his positive sh#t out instead of 50 Cent's... Also these "violent rappers" have families to feed...and like someone mentioned, some are ex-cons, so do you think they would make this much money trying to get a regular job? HELL NO. This is a new form of hustle. And I'm not mad for using what they can to make money...hell, the money men allow for it. I would make money off of them too...record companies don't give a damn if they live or die (some even anticipate their deaths to make more money)...and neither should they. please don't blame hip-hop or any artists for doing what they do...it's been that way since Dante, Chaucer, Micheangleo, etc... artits, in the 20th-century, are just now starting to make extreme amounts of money for influencing nations/ the world...because they have the talent to do so... instead, blame the people writing their checks. -BB | ||
Harpernottingham Member Username: Harpernottingham Post Number: 55 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 66.178.227.202 |
Rap's not music. And "R&B" sure don't stand for "rhythm & blues" anymore. More like "rap & bullshit." Hip-hop-hooray? In the immortal words of yacht rockers Hall & Oates, "I can't go for that ... no can do." | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 85 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 71.227.26.9 |
please don't blame hip-hop or any artists for doing what they do...it's been that way since Dante, Chaucer, Micheangleo, etc... Do really think rap rises to the level of the people you mentioned here? In a world that defines and "artist" as any person who refers to himself or herself as one, it seems society should be willing to make some distinctions between the relative value of art or music. For example, a person could call themselves a "musician" or "artist" and release a CD of very negative music which would encourage children to kill themselves. We have a duty as a SOCIETY, not just individual parents, to condemn such a thing and we should not be hesitant to say it is garbage because we fear passing judgement on "art." | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 270 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 129.9.163.234 |
don't like rap? don't buy any. Now if I could just stop the bass waves from rattling my windows, drowning out my car radio at traffic lights....I always wanted to put together a high powered audio system in my car to blast out "the ride of the Valkries" in response. | ||
Tayshaun22 Member Username: Tayshaun22 Post Number: 136 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.14.101.116 |
Rap's not music? This rhythmatic explosion, is what your frame of mind has chosen I'll leave your brain stimulated, niggaz is frozen Speak with criminal slang, begin like a violin End like Leviathan, it's deep well let me try again Wisdom be leakin out my grapefruit troop I dominate break loops, givin mics men-e-straul cycles Street's disciple, I rock beats that's mega trifle And groovy but smoother than moves by Villanova You're still a soldier, I'm like Sly Stone in Cobra Packin like a rasta in the weed spot Vocals'll squeeze glocks, MC's eavesdrop Though they need not to sneak My poetry's deep, I never fell Nas's raps should be locked in a cell It ain't hard to tell Can Hall & Oates lyrics match the mastermind Nas's lyrics? I don't think so. | ||
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox Post Number: 15 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 69.209.130.199 |
"In a world that defines and "artist" as any person who refers to himself or herself as one" Would you have it any other way? Many of history's most famous and highly-regarded artists were not respected in their own time. Who do you think should determine what is and isn't art? Should we apply the "Perfectgentleman litmus test?" It may work for you, and maybe even for a few other people, but there will always be those who define "art" differently. I don't think anyone can or should make this distinction for society as a whole. | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 646 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.176.123 |
As long as idiots like havenotclueham keep dogging hip hop I know it's still the most relevant music of the time. Hip hop dominates the music industry and modernday mainstream pop culture. Just look at MTV, VHI or turn on any pop radio station and you will hear more hip hop music than any other genre. Want proof? You'll find a higher percentage of white kids watching BET than black kids watching CMT. No question. Many more young people know who Kanye West is than Hal & Oates. It's a reality that a lot of middleaged white people just can't recognize. That's fine with me. They can keep trying to relive the Led Zepplin and Hank Williams days all they want. That's not only yesterday, it's yesteryear. However, I agree with what Chris Rock said, "Love rap music. Tired of defending it." There is a lot of crap in hip hop right now. People are more likely to hear something stupid like I'm in Love with a Stripper or Ridin Dirty than classic, but largely underground, hits like Go or Get By. Ah well. Most hip hop heads, myself included, know what they like and appreciate what built hip hop culture into the Goliath it is today. I may not think that highly of In Da Club, but I understand its popularity. Honestly, I have no sympathy for people who write off hip hop culture just based on overhearing 50 Cent on their kid's ipod but don't take the time to discover A Tribe Called Quest. At the end of the day, hip hop is still the most innovative music out there. No other music makes people stop and pay attention more than hip hop. Even the crap in hip hop can be far more creative than a lot of what's in rock or country right now. For example, the group Backwudz big single is all about cars and rims. But what makes that song a hit is how it worked the Ompa Lumpa line, "I don't like the look of it" from Charlie in the Chocolate Factory into the chorus. I haven't been that surprised by a song since Jay Z sampled Annie for Hard Knock Life. That's the last place I expected hip hop to go and it's still dope. That type of creativity is why hip hop is on top of the music world and all other genres are struggling to keep up. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 86 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 71.227.26.9 |
Bearinabox - No, I would never want to apply a "litmus test" and have not advocated censorship. There are some universal values that we should be able to agree on however in a civilized society. Without a sense of morality, we have nothing. Censorship WILL COME if we do not start discussing and holding those accountable who seek to perpetuate harmful values upon our children. The reason people even bring up censorship is that the entertainment industry is not acting responsibly. So, they are going to send these messages into our homes whether we want it or not and it is up to us to police every available communications outlet to see that our children are not exposed to it. If we can no longer trust people to be moral and act responsibly, new laws and restrictions will come, which most of us don't want. A free society cannot survive without morality, and not just every individuals perception of that. With the "right" of freedom of speech comes the "responsibility" to not harm society as a whole. E_hemingway - I respect your opinion on Hip Hop but I am sure you realize the subjective nature of judgements on art and music. Many people hate rap music and do not find it innovative at all. I have met many who don't even consider it "music" in the strictest sense. Normally "music" consists of "melody," something alot of hip hop lacks, although there are exceptions. The music world is vast, and there is alot more out there than rap and Hall and Oates, who I personally can't stand either. | ||
Hagglerock Member Username: Hagglerock Post Number: 223 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 12.214.243.66 |
Black Barbie and Teyshaun tell it like it is! As a former metal junkie who grew into grunge and exited as fast as Kurt Cobain left the scene with a bullet to his head, I turned to hip hop to fill the void from shitty late 90's bands like Collective Soul and Marcy's Playground. Call me crazy there is something that hip hop has that other music currently lacks, I really can't define it, but there is something primal and raw I find in it. I'm not talking about the lyrics, which I really don't focus on, but rather the beat and the way it gets your heart pounding. Those who focus on rap's lyrics are clearly missing the other half, ever listen to the drum beat from the song "Tusk" by Fleetwood Mac? I mean the melody is so rockin that you end up not giving two shits over what the lyrics say. Johnny Cash, my all time favorite artist, sang about cocaine, shooting his girl, cheating on his girl and shooting a man just to watch him die. Did people ever call for Cash's head back then? We're Americans, founded by religious nuts and convicts, of course where going to listen to songs about death, pain and violence, we love the exception. Taking responsibilty for your actions and not scapgoating what you hear on the radio or on tv would do wonders for this world. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1608 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.209.158.194 |
Perfectgentleman, I was digging where you were coming from until you dissed Hall and Oates. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1609 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.209.158.194 |
Hagglerock, the lyrics are part of a rap song and they cannot be ignored. I'll admit that I love the beat to Eminem's "Shake that A-- for me." However, the lyrics are obsene. Why couldn't Eminem have called the song "Do that thing for me," and used lyrics that made you wonder what the thing is? Instead we get him describing the sexual things he wants the kind of woman he likes to do to him. There's no imagination here. There's no subtlety. Marvin Gaye sung, "I want you and you want me, so why don't we get together after the dance." No doubt he's talking about sex, but when I was 11 and heard this song I didn't know what he meant. "Get together" for me at that age meant a million things and sex wasn't one of them. I later found out that many of Marvin Gaye's songs were sexual in nature. Clearly "Sexual Healing" is. However, with today's Hip Hop there's no subtlety. The guy isn't in love with a fantasy girl. No, he's in love with a stripper. And in all reality, a stripper is a fantasy girl for most men, so why not focus on the "fantasy" girl, instead of singing about the "reality" stripper? Why be so literal? I'm not a song writer, but if I was, I think I would like my songs to be interpreted in different ways and not so cut and dry. Writing a song about taking a crap, but using words like "sitting on my throne passing the time" has more subtlety than a Hip Hop artist singing, "Sitting on my toilet taking a S***." And given the progression of Hip Hop, this song or the lyrics to this song will be heard on the radio very soon. That's Hip Hop's future? | ||
Tayshaun22 Member Username: Tayshaun22 Post Number: 144 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.14.101.116 |
Royce, you need to look past Em's hits and realize he has composed some good songs that don't deal with sex. | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 48 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 69.221.79.238 |
Tayshaun: I'll be honest with ya, buddy: I don't like rap, but what the hell, I get into late 50's-early 60's jazz, so my disdain toward rap is hardly surprising. But what I came here to say was that I haven't seen much comment from you about the Tigers (or sports in general) lately... Kinda missing your colorful input. | ||
Michigansheik Member Username: Michigansheik Post Number: 152 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.60.139.11 |
i think certain careers should be bannded, like auto theif!!!!! | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2680 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.236.144.252 |
Raps not music huh...
Rakim: Follow The Leader (Message edited by detroit_stylin on May 14, 2006) | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2681 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.236.144.252 |
Must be all gangsta rap as well:
KRS O.N.E: You Must Learn (Message edited by Detroit_stylin on May 14, 2006) | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 881 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 70.225.113.79 |
'D_stylin' what up doe?__ long time no hear! __ is that Eric B and Rakim, 'Follow the Leader'? how bout this... 'microbiologically speaking, when I start burn'n and turn'n it will make your atoms move so fast, expanding your molocubes causing a friction fire, burning on your newtron, causing you to scream, hit me on the proton BABY!' sir nose dr. funkenstein p-funk live tour super d(motordetroit) (Message edited by super_d on May 14, 2006) | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2682 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.236.144.252 |
no question super... Rakim the ultimate lyricist... and KRS ONE the Edutainer | ||
Tayshaun22 Member Username: Tayshaun22 Post Number: 155 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.14.101.116 |
Quit posting that Blastmaster BS, there ain't no competition for who's number ONE. No competition No competition Competition is none, I remain at the top like the sun And I burn whoever come in the chambers of torture I caught ya, you shoulda brought ya Neighborhood to support ya No one in my path will withstand Under pressure the wrath of a swift man You name the day, the grounds to be neutral Speak your piece, the feeling's mutual We can go topic from topic whenever I drop it Try to stop it In other words, what the brother heard He tried to catch it, but what occurred Was too much weight for one brain to take Try to concentrate maintain then elevate Program an ounce from pound to pound The matter of weight can't hold my mind down Permanent damage, I do away with No time for fun, cause I don't play with Competitors, there's only one when I'm done Competition is none No competition Competition is none, I'm the soul survivor MC's get live but I get liver It ain't a Memorex, live in concert At every network, the R the expert Whoever goes against causes friction Introduction music where's the mixing Ra will never die, tools they never try To beat or defeat me, because whenever I Put poetry in motion From the Nile, then out into the ocean Three-fourths of water makes seven seas A third of land three-sixty degrees I circulate and remain to rotate Seven days a week at a quake or a slow rate Be prepared whenever I come Competition is none It's no competition Creator, the alphabets let's communicate When I translate the situation's straight No dictionary's necessary to use Big words do nothing but confuse and lose From the first step, a concept was kept To the end of the rhyme, it get more in-depth All thoughts I come across, my mind's the source Made by the R, of course Seven holes in my face as I'm lookin out my window Speak with the beat and it seem like the wind blows Through the speakers, I hear it so pump this And we can fill up the whole circumfrence With competition, on an impossible mission Comin up with nothin, keep fishin No runner up, just lost or forfeits They all get butterflies, soon as the dog gets Unlocked, lines for blocks and blocks Might be triflin, to call the cops Bring along paramedics But that won't help you, not even calisthetics I'm God, G is the seventh letter made Rainin on rappers, there's no parade So if you ain't wise, then don't even come Competition for this inter mixin is none It's no competition Competition is none | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2683 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.236.144.252 |
oooooooooooh we got a 18th letter fan in the house... | ||
Dannaroo Member Username: Dannaroo Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 209.254.56.226 |
lyrics do not equal music. (Message edited by Dannaroo on May 15, 2006) | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 467 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
Mastery of nursery rhyme style and mixed up meters don't equal artistry. Competance does not equal artistry. Jack White said it: rap hasn't gone anywhere in years, its not evolving and, in that way and several others, it can't be said to be "art". | ||
Jimelnino Member Username: Jimelnino Post Number: 449 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.248.42.22 |
I'm glad I live in a country where Kanye West and Jay-Z can sit next to Jimi Hendrix, System of a Down, 311, and Keane in my cars console. Banning of any music is idiotic and downright un-American. | ||
Tayshaun22 Member Username: Tayshaun22 Post Number: 156 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.14.101.116 |
Explain to me how lyrics don't equal music? Are you just jealous that hip hop artists articulate their words better than your rock idols? | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 659 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.176.123 |
Jack White is a Jack Ass. F him. He can go to Hell or Nashville. There isn't that much difference between the two. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 468 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
JW may be a jackass. But he has been called one of the greatest musical artists of all times by reviewers - as reported by the WSJ. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 7403 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19 |
I like the White Stripes but I find this statement very hard to believe. Further for him to criticize rap for not advancing (which is wrong) he comes off as pretty hypocritical as his sound is copied from past genres of music. Not too much about his stuff is innovative. Appealing? Yes. Innovative? No. So by his definition other genres that can't be said to be art" Classical, Pop, Rock and Roll, lots of jazz, etc. Funny how so many styles are held in such high regard without much innovation but rap will constantly be criticized for one reason or another. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 291 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 129.9.163.105 |
Rap is a valid form of expression for those who like it. It is not what has been thought of as music as defined by 400 year old european norms--where you have the "Holy trinity" of melody at the top of the triangle ( a melodic line that varies in pitch), supported by harmony (formed in chords or varying harmonic patterns), and that harmony is in a rhythmic pattern, or supported by a percussive rhythm. Rap has a spoken word lyric first and foremost--many times chanted in a single-pitch "note" supported by a very pronounced drum track, usually the product of a machine, or more accurately, an electronic device. Once in a while a melody will be inserted, but more as a fill device rather than a melodic line sung with the lyrics. A lot of ears that grew up before Rap can't allow themselves to call it music, and by their definition, it isn't. An entire generation has grown up with it, and it is the most valid form of personal expression they know of, and to them, it is music. Those who don't like rap are pretty much left with geezer rock, metal, or country, which still follow the "trinity" formula. I think the growth of country music is a reaction by people who want the european model "trinity" and can't handle rap, and aren't getting what they want from the aging rock formats. | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 660 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.176.123 |
Well said packman. | ||
Jimelnino Member Username: Jimelnino Post Number: 452 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.248.42.22 |
I wish people didn't have the need to over analyze stuff like this. I don't care what Rap/Hip-Hop breaks down to at its bare elements, and I care even less how it compares to 400 year old European standards of music. What I do care about, is do I like it, and sometimes the answer is yes, and I listen to music that I like, be it Rap, Rock, Country, Jazz, Classical, Industrial, etc. etc. etc. btw Packman, I'm not directing these comments at you, just using what you said as a basis for my point. | ||
K8cpachuck Member Username: K8cpachuck Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 68.40.45.171 |
Article, JLB's got a bounty out for 'em! http://www.fm98wjlb.com/cc-com mon/mainheadlines2.html?feed=1 09871&article=473447 I'm glad I ain't one of them dudes right now, I'd be shipping out to left coast for a while if it were me! (Message edited by k8cpachuck on May 15, 2006) | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1611 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.209.133.242 |
Where can rap/hip-hop go? How many more times will I hear songs about getting the bling, going to the "club," and getting some booty? Already, I have heard numerous songs with the same beat as the song "In My White-T? When I listen to rap on the radio, especially WJLB, I can only listen to it for about five seconds. Everything sounds the same and the lyrics are about the same three topics that I just mentioned above. No originality. Early rap had a message. The anger in it was a way for a young black male to vent his frustration. Now, songs are about "ghetto success." You know that after success comes the fall. Can rap/hip-hop music survive the peaks and valleys that all genres of music go through? | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 485 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.42.176.190 |
Royce.. it's been around for a nice long time.. seems like it just evolves and comes back to the top... | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 661 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.176.123 |
Royce: You're taking a very narrow look at hip hop. What you said may be true about a lot of what's being played on major radio. However, you're missing a large variety of underground genre's of hip hop that are pushing the envelope, such as Gnarls Barkley, the Roots and Talib Kweli. Some have been able to make the jump to successful mainstream, like Common, Slum Village or Kanye West. Hell, a new kid from Chicago called Lupe Fiasco has a laidback single all about skateboarding, a subject not often touched on in hip hop, called Kick Push. Even mainstream artists often break the bling/violence/sex trinity with their music. For example, Eminem's most popular song ever, Lose Yourself, is all about siezing the moment. If you still don't believe mainstream hip hop is nothing but bling/violence/sex try listening to anything by Outkast, Black Eyed Peas or Nas. Go a little deeper underground and you'll find great groups like Hieroglyfics, Atmosphere, Dead Prez or K-Os. If you really want to bend your mind a little, try listening to anything by E-40 and figure out what he is really saying. Go beyond the surface of hip hop and you'll see why it's the most innovative and relevant music today. | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 62 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 70.233.3.26 |
Guess it's time to re-name this thread. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2686 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.38.29.129 |
^^ e hemmingway | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 64 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 70.233.3.26 |
Yeah, the damned van could have been recovered by now and we'd never know it from this thread! But that's O.K.... I rather enjoy the way some of these threads "morph" into different identities. Y'know, just like in conversations where, after about ten minutes, one of the conversants gets a puzzled look and asks the other, "How the hell did we get on this subject, anyway?" | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 71 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 70.233.3.26 |
Besides, even though we can't prove it, I think we all know that the van was stolen by illegal aliens. | ||
Paulc Member Username: Paulc Post Number: 64 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 159.53.110.143 |
Ravine - it was only stolen by illegal aliens - as most Americans are no longer willing to steal their own cars. (Message edited by PaulC on May 16, 2006) | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 3429 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.251.226.28 |
Update: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20060530/U PDATE/605300424 | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 517 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.42.176.190 |
that's good to hear |
