  Tiorted Member Username: Tiorted Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 141.217.53.62 |
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20060508/U PDATE/605080409 Lisa Collins / The Detroit News DETROIT --Detroit's downtown is getting scrubbed clean from 4 a.m. to 4 p.m., six days a week starting June 1, thanks to a partnership announced Monday between Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and billionaire businessman and racing legend Roger Penske. Kilpatrick announced what he called a "historic" alliance with Penske, who will chair the Downtown Detroit Partnership and lead the effort to clean downtown with $1.2 million in private funding this year and $1.5 million next year. Penske, who chaired the Super Bowl Host Committee, says he already has half the funding in line for cleanup through next year. "Penske is back," Kilpatrick said. "This is a historic day for Detroit." "It's a chance for me to give something back," Penske said. "We want to have the reputation as a clean, safe city. This is bigger than the Super Bowl, as far as I'm concerned, because it will take Detroit into the future. Detroit is undergoing a renaissance." The private funding will go to Goodwill Industries, which will provide 45 workers to do the cleanup work, Penske said. Goodwill provided workers for the Super Bowl cleanup, and it worked well, he said. The program will have a public presence starting in June, Penske said. Sidewalks will be power-washed and scrubbed daily, and graffiti and trash will be removed, he said. "You will see workers in uniforms and in trucks," Penske said. You can reach Lisa M. Collins at (313) 222-2072 or lcollins@detnews.com. | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1235 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104 |
Penske for Mayor. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1044 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 198.208.159.18 |
ditto | ||
Bobj Member Username: Bobj Post Number: 705 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.221.183.120 |
We need more of our local Billionaires and Millionaires to step up to the plate! | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 815 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 209.104.146.146 |
Penske! Penske! | ||
Rrl Member Username: Rrl Post Number: 477 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 71.213.228.212 |
Yup, agreed, Penske is the man. How sad and frustrating is it, and what does it say about the current inept group at the CAY, that there has to be private initiatives to get this sort of thing done? Makes you wonder, if a can-do guy like Roger were to run for mayor (not that he'd ever do it, he's too smart for the job), would he be embraced by the electorate? Or run out of town by the perpetuators of racial & class divisiveness? [Edited for spelling] (Message edited by rrl on May 08, 2006) | ||
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster Post Number: 1595 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.250.205.35 |
Penske is better in the private sector. You don't want your effective people pandering to the electorate. | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 612 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.215.16.34 |
I agree Dial4. Certainly not. It's just like marraige, they totally change. later - naturalsister | ||
Dang Member Username: Dang Post Number: 37 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.212.227.160 |
**sniff** that's beautiful, man. | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 2934 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.255.162.105 |
Sounds like they've figured out a way to get a BID going without the additional tax. As for the comment, "How sad and frustrating is it, and what does it say about the current inept group at the CAY, that there has to be private initiatives to get this sort of thing done?" Your ignorance is showing. You could also wonder about the same thing about all the other cities that have turned to private groups. | ||
Oliverdouglas Member Username: Oliverdouglas Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 69.209.181.108 |
Thisis the sort of thing that should be financed by local merchants, as well as joint advertising and promotional activities. Its a no brainer really and happens all the time in suburban malls and strip plazas. I tried to get this to happen on Avenue of Fashion, but to no avail due to the short sightedness and lack of imagination of the local business owners. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 58 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 68.40.50.194 |
Uhh, I appreciate him, but the man isn't God. He's just doing here what's been done in other cities for ages. And please stop acting like he carried the Superbowl on his shoulders alone. | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 43 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.248.7.77 |
A clean-up effort sounds great for downtown, but what we really need, around here, is for the citizens of Detroit to start showing some class and dignity, for once, and stop throwing their f***ing trash from their cars onto the street. The piles of KFC boxes and empty cognac bottles which litter almost every freeway exit in the city speak loudly to everyone, visitor or citizen, about what a bunch of no-account, punk-ass slobs live around here. (Not to mention providing the visual suggestion that we fly down the freeway guzzling Hennessy.) | ||
Thecarl Member Username: Thecarl Post Number: 759 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.14.30.175 |
actually...people will be less inclined to throw their trash on the street when they notice there's no trash on it. conversely, when litter abounds - hey, what the heck, toss it out the window. litter begets more litter. i do agree, though, that there needs to be a sense of civic pride, starting from the top down, that does not tolerate dirtying and destruction of the landscape. hopefully the government will do its part in letting residents and visitors alike know that littering is unacceptable and will be violators will be heavily fined. | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 30 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.40.65.66 |
QUOTE: A clean-up effort sounds great for downtown, but what we really need, around here, is for the citizens of Detroit to start showing some class and dignity, for once, and stop throwing their f***ing trash from their cars onto the street. The piles of KFC boxes and empty cognac bottles which litter almost every freeway exit in the city speak loudly to everyone, visitor or citizen, about what a bunch of no-account, punk-ass slobs live around here. (Not to mention providing the visual suggestion that we fly down the freeway guzzling Hennessy.) Do you actually live in Detroit? THat comment borderlines on racist and I think it totally unfounded. THe members of the community are for the most part well meaning and maintain what is theirs despite the fact that they are not particularly wealthy. This is the kind of comment that is insensitive and from an isolated ignorant perspective | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 1005 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
Ap you can join me at next year's Belle Isle cleanup - the number of liquor bottles just thrown anywhere is repulsive (though nowhere near as bad as the dirty diaper and two used maxipads left along the edgeline of the woods) | ||
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485 Post Number: 2643 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 199.74.87.98 |
Until Detroit starts posting signs for illegal littering, it will continue within the city limits. It's amazing how you can post fines and cameras, and folks change their way immediately. | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 44 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 69.221.79.238 |
Apbest: Hell yes I live around here, I live RIGHT here, and it is aggressively ignorant, on your part, to suggest that my comments were racist. Who the hell brought up race? Oh, that's right... YOU did. "Unfounded?" Look: Is it, or is it not, a fact that such shit is all over the freeway exits? "Insensitive?" Stop your annoying whining. If my asserting an honest opinion about FACTS hurts anyone's tender little baby feelings, they should stick to reading the Garfield comic. (Although, that damn cat can be awfully mean to his owner.) | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 596 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 192.122.250.250 |
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=2006605100352 Seems many people think Penske should clean the entire city. What ever happened to cleaning ones own neighborhood? | ||
Pamequus Member Username: Pamequus Post Number: 30 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 158.229.218.204 |
It's all about the entitlement attitude...heaven forbid they take responsibility for their own. That mentality will be the death of not only many big cities but much of this country should it not be turned around soon. | ||
Pacypacy_ Member Username: Pacypacy_ Post Number: 8 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 136.181.195.84 |
Quote "actually...people will be less inclined to throw their trash on the street when they notice there's no trash on it". Actually, someone had to start the litter rolling, litter wasn't placed there by the roadworkers who built the street. Quote: Until Detroit starts posting signs for illegal littering, it will continue within the city limits. It's amazing how you can post fines and cameras, and folks change their way immediately. All littering is illegal, what will sinage do? Camera's? Yeah and everyone will leave them alone, too. Quote: Thisis the sort of thing that should be financed by local merchants, as well as joint advertising and promotional activities. Why should merchant's who are already over-taxed pay even more to clean up someone else's mess? Quote:...and empty cognac bottles which litter almost every freeway exit in the city speak loudly to everyone, visitor or citizen, about what a bunch of no-account, punk-ass slobs live around here. (Not to mention providing the visual suggestion that we fly down the freeway guzzling Hennessy.) I know people from the suburbs aren't coming into town to patronage our liquor stores and toss the bottles onto the street. Liquor stores are one business thriving here and that should tell us all something. Put a 5 cent deposit on all filter cigarette butts, at least then they would get picked up, maybe a deposit on liquor bottles too. Why not a small per-pound "bounty" paid for litter, maybe some of that would get picked up too. Quote: Seems many people think Penske should clean the entire city. What ever happened to cleaning ones own neighborhood? AMEN! | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 268 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 129.9.163.105 |
how 'bout requiring all of the perpetual card board sign "will work for food" beggars to clean their territorial corner? At that (tax free) rate, that shouldn't be too much to expect. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 873 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 70.88.106.173 |
On the subject of 'cleaning Detroit', it's sad/or some what funny, how people like Penske is lauded and put up on a pedestal. For many 'true' Detroiters in the 'hoods' this ain't no new thing(cleaning Detroit), we do this everyday with no strings attached! --What about Mr.Loves care of the 2 vacant lots next to him. --What about Mr. Mac, he picketed for three days in front of a liquor store, so that the local store owner would clean up the lot and erase the 'gang graffito' off the front of the building --What about Mrs. Sanders and her Crew, each Saturday morning power walks the neighborhood with a push broom, shovel, a bag and plants flowers up and down the street --What about Mr.Williams at the end of the block that (not only maintains the 5 houses next to him, but also voluntarily cuts and manicures the 3 vacant lots across from him. There are many more Detroiters like the people I speak of that do not get the fame and credit (not that they need it) that the Penskes and Hug Detroit organizations receive. Yes, Detroit has many challenges, but there are many Detroit residents that get up every day on their hands and knees, (with no political agenda) to make our city the great city it is. So for those of you that can't muster or rouse the fact that there are many Detroiters who take personal responsibilities within their villages, take a look around sometimes! Some of you need to truly get out more, and stop taking literally what you are reading and watching. super d(motordetroit) (Message edited by super_d on May 10, 2006) | ||
Oliverdouglas Member Username: Oliverdouglas Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 69.209.181.108 |
Pacypacy: "Why should merchants who are already overtaxed...." Because it is in their own interest to do so. Such associations exist in malls and downtowns nearly every because they are effective. | ||
Pacypacy_ Member Username: Pacypacy_ Post Number: 9 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 136.181.195.84 |
Quote: There are many more Detroiters like the people I speak of that do not get the fame and credit (not that they need it) that the Penskes and Hug Detroit organizations receive. ..there are many Detroit residents that get up every day on their hands and knees, (with no political agenda) to make our city the great city it is. Agreed, we need more residents like this and less of the other kind, but if you know of a political agenda for Penske then share it with us, what is it? Isn't penske capable of the same feelings and drive that the others you spoke of exhibit? | ||
Kbkav Member Username: Kbkav Post Number: 238 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.31.248 |
hamsteve, my understanding is that this method of funding clean-up will be in effect until a BID is formalized, then will continue--but funded through the BID. tetsua, crains reported that dave bing will be leading a similar campaign in detroit neighborhoods, so i would expect that announcment soon. | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 2936 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 136.181.195.17 |
kb, that's what I've gathered from hearing more about this after the initial announcement. Still untouched in all of this is how cavalierly people's egos at DDP were treated. Mutterings of "I've been here for x months/years, and just because he comes swooping in at the last minute" were undoubtedly heard on Griswold Street. lol. | ||
Hagglerock Member Username: Hagglerock Post Number: 224 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 12.214.243.66 |
"There are many more Detroiters like the people I speak of that do not get the fame and credit (not that they need it) that the Penskes and Hug Detroit organizations receive. " Super D, thats just how it is, not just Detroit but everywhere in this country. The hardworking standup citizen gets ignored for the thousands of good deeds he does while Britney and Kevin -dirtball -Federline get millions for their baby photos. I avoid all media outlets by choice and take confidence in my fellow man and in the Detroityes fourm. D | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 2078 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.6.193 |
When it comes to litter, why can't American's be more like the Germans. On my first trip to Germany, it took nearly a week to spot a piece of litter, even in the cities. And don't even get me started on the lack of potholes.... | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 45 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 69.221.79.238 |
Super_d: You're right; those people do deserve credit. I suspect that they do what they do because it is just the way they are built and, for them, the only reward they receive, or are interested in, is the good feeling it gives them to do their thing. Pride (the good kind) and self-respect, buddy, that's the stuff we need more of. It's the opposite of the character type who I, earlier in this thread, vilified for throwing their refuse all over the freeway exits. Each group does what it does because that's just how they are, and it doesn't matter to them how anybody else feels about it. Thumbs way the hell up to the group who you documented. Still waiting for Apbest to explain to me how my earlier diatribe was borderline racist, unfounded, or insensitive. | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 38 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.42.220.61 |
perhaps insensitive or racist was too extreme. However, your characterization of trash as KFC boxes and Cognac bottles seems to speak negatively of stereotypical aspects of black culture...seemingly attacking or criticizing the nature of black culture. However, that was probably nnot what you meant, but seemed to have underlying discriminatory notions | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 49 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 69.221.79.238 |
Apbest: O.K., I see your point, now. I didn't mean it that way, but I can see where my somewhat overly-specifying the type of litter could come across in the way you explained. Color me checked!! I will retain your input, in the future, when ranting... | ||
Knocturnal Member Username: Knocturnal Post Number: 106 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 24.176.50.206 |
Well, I applaud the individuals who go above and beyond to keep their streets from becoming the the future site of dope pushers and spotters but the bad far outnumber the good. Detroit is still a very unclean city and alot more civic pride needs to be instilled in the citizens of this city. There are just not enough people who care,and, for the people who do, it bothers them to hear all of the negative criticism of the city. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 64 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 68.40.50.194 |
Eh, I was in NYC earlier this year and Detroit looked (and smelled) magnitudes cleaner... | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 51 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 69.221.79.238 |
"Smelling better than NYC" is not much of an endorsement! | ||
Michigansheik Member Username: Michigansheik Post Number: 155 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.60.139.11 |
i had to yell at a youth who i saw litter right in front of me infront of youthville on woodward. once confronted he picked up the trash and held it, i informed him there was a can two blocks over. the problem is too few cans, more cans means we could tell people where to throw their trash because we know they sure as hell aren't going to pocket it until they get home. | ||
Neilr Member Username: Neilr Post Number: 252 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.60.139.169 |
Michigansheik, you bring up a good point about the sparsity of trash cans in Detroit. In Manhattan it seems that there is a trash container on every corner of almost every intersection. That makes it easy for folks to throw away their candy wrappers, etc. Also, the containers always seem to be emptied long before they overflow. |
