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Jt1
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http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/9153845/detail.html

City Council Approves Cell Phone Ban
Council Voted 8-1

POSTED: 12:49 pm EDT May 3, 2006

Drivers in the city of Detroit will have to end their calls, as a cell phone ban has been approved.

The Detroit City Council passed a cell phone ban for the city of Detroit on Wednesday.

Council voted 8 - 1, with Sheila Cockrel as the only opposing vote.

Council members said drivers could still use hands-free phones.

The ban takes effect immediately.

Violators can be ticketed and fined.

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I like the thought of forcing people to be more responsible on the road but will this have any effect. DPD doesn't seem to go after running reds/stops, speeding etc. too strongly so will they even bother with this?

Either way, it doesn't hurt to have it on the books.
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First of all, evidence shows that all distractions contribute to accidents, not just talking on the cell phone. So makeup, newspapers, eating, etc. should all be looked at.

Second, this ban is only on using the hand set to talk, you can still use the hands free features, which still take away from your concentration.

Just some thoughts...
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Funkycarrie
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this is awesome, one step in the right direction.

Although it won't be enforced like it should be, it's a great move.
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while it probably wont be enforced much, itll add a couple bucks to the coffers, and prevent a few accidents..... I bet most will continute to use their phones however... good decision
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Matt_the_deuce
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Anyone know how many other major cities have bans?
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If it's enforced like the sound level ordinance, expect more accidents due to increased use of cell phones.
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Won't the city have to put signs on freeways and major roads entering Detroit that says hand held Cell Phone usage is prohibited while driving?

I remember driving into Virginia (via interstate) and seeing signs saying radar detectors are prohibited there.

Won't the city need to do some kind of similar warnings for out of towners? If so, I don't see the city making much if any money off of this.
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News made its way to the Drudge Report.
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DC implemented a similar ban ~two years ago. The last I heard, there was only a marginal reduction in cell phone related accidents as people still need to dial the phone, look at it to see who is calling, etc. All of the distractions occur far before you actually put the phone to your ear.
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Like some have said above, I like the thought of making people more responsible while driving, but I don't think legislating it into law will be effective. I think that better education and classes are needed when kids are taught driving, but to go as far as to make it another fivilous ticket is just too oppresive, IMO.

Then, it also brings up the issue that other's have brought up concerning eating, and the like, which I find far more dangerous and distracting. There are far too many circumstances on the road, IMO, that wouldn't warrant such a law. Would you be able to talk while in gridlock on a city freeway? How has this worked in New York and New Jersey? This just seems like another petty law to pull people over in a city dealing with much bigger issues, namely an already stretched police force.

(Message edited by lmichigan on May 03, 2006)
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When I lived in upstate New York my friends and I would be on the phone with each other and say "Hang on a sec" put the phone on the passenger seat and once we passed the state trooper we'd pick the phone back up and start talking again.

No one used hands-free.
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New York State, New Jersey, and possibly Connecticut all have bans
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Bratt
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Another law to put on the books but not enforce. Last I heard littering was against the law as well, but I see people driving down streets, freeways, and every where else throwing trash out there windows. Cops just keep on rolling, not important enough to stop someone and give them a ticket.

BUT, if they can use this law to pull more people over, they will see how many unlicensed drivers are out there, uninsured motorists, guns, drugs..hell, we could become a safe city again! oops, sorry, that's my fantasy!
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YAYYY!!! NO MORE CELL PHONE DISTRACTIONS.
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Chicago has a ban in place, I am not certain if it is Chicago, Cook County or the State of Illinois.
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Julie
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The Chicago ban affects only the city of Chicago.
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How 'bout a city near bankruptcy which hardly even enforces speed limits on the road takes away your ability to communicate and drive? Makes a lot of sense to me. I don't whip out the phone on the freeway or in heavy traffic, but in most scenarios I am pretty comfortable driving around Detroit and making quick, neccesary calls. All of this hands-on government is really a crock.

It is a gesture to insurance companies so that they will lower premiums...cracking down on organized car theft rings would do a lot more, though.
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Good to see the CC is taking the bull by the horns and is tackling the tough issues of the day...

[Thinking of Nero fiddling while Rome burns]
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So does this apply to all the cops I see daily yapping on their phones too while driving DETROIT POLICE CARS?

(Message edited by viziondetroit on May 03, 2006)
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Don't forget this part

"Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick must also approve the ban."

Should be interesting..
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Another case of the irresponsible ***holes ruining things for everybody else. A sensible, alert person should be able-- physically and legally-- to make a quick cell phone call while driving. I take some mean-spirited satisfaction in the alleged bill, however, because I'm so damn sick and tired of jackasses who, clearly, cannot make it through five ****ing minutes of their day without using their cell phone. What the **** are these people talking about, anyway? Do they have to check in with everyone they know, or are related to, seven or eight times per day? And I don't want to hear that they are seeing to some type of "business." If they had that much "business" going on, they wouldn't be in a position to spend so much time on the goddam cell phone. Or is it that some people feel a childish, out-of-control compulsion to call everybody they know, several times per day, to update them on what has happened since they last (90 minutes ago) spoke? And while I'm ranting, I'm tired of attempting to speak to co-workers only to get the "hold on a minute" hand signal because they're on their ****ing cell phone with the headset, mf'ers walking around appearing to be talking to themselves. I have the feeling that the ideal situation would be if they could call themselves... "Wassup?"... "You"... "Whatcha doin'?"... "Nothin', whatchoo doin'?... What a totally out-of-control social phenomenon.
One problem: Now, some of them will be in such a hurry to get where they're going, so they can jump on the cell phone, that their driving will actually become MORE erratic and hazardous, thereby defeating the entire purpose of the ban.
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Another piece of ground breaking legislation from the C.C.

Remember a few short months ago during the elections it was trash pick up, taxes, city budget, ban on talking while driving.....

I guess they figured that they solved every other problem so just keep moving down the list.
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This is an enfringement on my civil liberties and it angers me greatly! Just another action of the black power council to disenfranchise the white minority!

Will this apply to state highways?
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This is an enfringement on my civil liberties and it angers me greatly! Just another action of the black power council to disenfranchise the white minority!

Will this apply to state highways?
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I'll call you back when I'm in Highland Park...
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Wow, to listen to you guys you would think that 50% of all car accidents are due to cell phone use. How many car accidents in the city do you think are actaully caused by cell phone distraction each year? Maybe a handful? Wow, so now we have another law that EVERYONE will ignore and NO ONE will enforce! Victory! This law will do for car accidents what the handgun ban did for murders in Washington D.C., absolutely nothing.
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Well said Ravine.
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Now they are gonna do a Fox 2 expose on CC members talking and driving.....
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state of NY has a ban on it, as I found out when we crossed the state line from Maryland a couple years ago. No, I wasn't pulled over, but they have signs on the highway informing motorists...
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Zulu, as they very well should. This is yet another frivilous law. Where does it end? Will people be legally required to always have their eyes on the road, and risk a ticket if they don't? Eating, messing with CD's and the radio...are all just as dangerous, if not more. Where do we stop? Why begin or end at phone use?
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If it will make Detroit insurance rates go down then I'm for it. This will be one less reason for the insurance companies to justify their bull#### rates in the city.
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quote:

If it's enforced like the sound level ordinance, expect more accidents due to increased use of cell phones.



LMAO!!!
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Jt1
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What the fuck. I bet they took 2 seconds out of their time to approve this. Some want to make it like it eas the only topic on the agenda.

Are there bigger issues? Yes. How long did it take to pass? Get a grip
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What they should really be doing is placing a moratorium on budget inceases for the City Council. I don't care if they took 2 seconds, or 2 days, they lose either way, here, with me. If they did it too quickly, than they are foolish. If they too their time, it's still a foolish decision to me. :-) You can't please everyone, though.
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New York City has had a no cell phone use policy in place for about four years at least. The response at first was an immediate drop in cell phone use while driving, but after a couple of months when people saw it wasn't being enforced cell phone use in cars went back to normal. However, once and awhile you do hear of people being pulled over for driving and talking on the phone.

In New Jersey, you can't use a cell phone while driving, but they can only pull you over if you are talking on your phone and breaking some other traffic violation like no turn signal or such. Fine: $250.
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Which means it can be used to pull over the folks they want to pull over. Look out young black males!
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KING KWAME will sign that bill into law in no time. So that any white person who has a hand held cell phone while driving in the ghettohoods of Detroit would be caught by a black Detroit police officer. Leaving a black Detroiter who has a hand held cell phone while driving in the ghettohoods of Detroit would NOT get caught.
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meh, I don't talk and drive anyways. big deal. how about enforcing public safety laws already on the books?!
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I like it, it needs to spread to all communities.

According to the some study released in the last month Cell Phones were the cause of 80% of the distraction accidents. Hands free were no better.
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it's not just the accidents, either - it's people that cut you off, fail to use their turn signal, or drowsily glide along in the passing lane while in a land of oblivion, yammering on their cell phones. true, all these things happen without cell phones, but i believe the situation has gotten worse because of them.

i had to laugh one time when i saw a woman using one hand to hold a cell phone to her ear, while clutching a soft drink and a cigarette in the other, steering with the bottom of her hand. i doubt she would had the split-second reaction capability needed to avoid an accident if something happened in front of her!
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http://detroitnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20060504/B IZ04/605040396

Who would have thought there'd be comments like this.


quote:

But Christina Paskas of Grosse Pointe, who works downtown, wondered if Detroit has enough problems without worrying about pulling over drivers for talking on the phone.

"Let's face it: People do a lot of work in their car. People multi-task. I've been guilty of it. But in Detroit, police officers are already whittled down. I don't see how it'll be enforced," Paskas said. "What happens if you don't realize you just drove into Detroit? And would it be a deterrent to people to go to the city? If you write someone a ticket, you might sour them against going downtown for restaurants or entertainment."




And the always classic:


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Mark Bica, 28, drives 62 miles from Grand Blanc to downtown's Compuware Building, where he works as a software salesman. He called the proposal ridiculous.

"I've got to put my cell phone down now, but I can still have my Value Meal, change the CD player and shave -- that's OK-- but it's the cell phone that's going to get me in trouble?" Bica asked. "In Detroit, they don't even pull people over for jaywalking or not wearing their seat belts."




Why is every QOL ordinance met with 'there are bigger problems.' So if crime and poverty is an issue nothing can be passed until those are completely taken care of?
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quote:

i had to laugh one time when i saw a woman using one hand to hold a cell phone to her ear, while clutching a soft drink and a cigarette in the other, steering with the bottom of her hand.




Hey, that was me!
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Jt1
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and it wasn't a soft drink.
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You should see when I have to shift...
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I don't want to know what you use to move the stick shift if both your hands are full.
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New to the thread and having not read much of the commentary...I just want to weigh in and say HOW STOOOPID I think this is.

I hate handsfree units, especially the cordless ones (they look ridiculous on people). I'm willing to bet police don't pull many people over.
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Trying to talk your way out of a cell phone ticket....

" but officer, it was an emergency, see I was callin my mama and......"

"But if I get a ticket for using my phone, how am I gonna be able to call you later, big boy? (wink)"

"Damn, this is Detroit? I thought it was still River Rouge"

"Do you know who the @#$%* I am?"

"I was on hold for City Council"

"Is it against the law to make a call or to recieve a call?"

"Didnt I tell you that the phone in my limosine was busted and I cant get in touch with my @#%##?!" Yeah what is ya, ignant?)

"Its not a phone, thats my earring"

In a sultry voice
"But my phone was on vibrate..."

"Black people can even talk on the phone any more, damn!"

"But sir, I have an unlimited roaming contract, free nights and weekends, call waiting, call forwarding, and email?"

"Dude, its not like its a land line".
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If the GP's passed a cell ban such as that passed by Detroit, I can assure you every council person who voted "yes" would face an instant recall.
There is so much cell phone usage by motorists here that is strictly "social", it would make your head spin. Sure, there are some "business calls", but they are a REAL minority when it comes to vehicular cell usage in The Pointes.
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What will be the new cautionary catch phrase, to go along with

CLICK IT OR TICKET?

how about

HANG IT UP OR HANG IT IN
or

NO CELL OR THE CELL
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Magnasco
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Props to you Leoqueen for bringing the lighter side to things!

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