  Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 7177 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 216.203.223.87 |
So in the name of 'graffitti' I thought the rule was to not destroy functioning buildings. Well I have seen their shit on new buildings, buildings being renovated and now one of the new directory things. So here goes: I will put in $500 of my own money and ask that others add in to out hese little punks. Now harm will be done but they will be turned into the police. Offer up your donations to turn them in at jt1_detroit@yahoo.com and I will post the current total. Whoever turns him/them in gets the money. At a minimum it is $500. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 572 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 68.42.76.157 |
$500 is kinda steep right now, but I hope you catch the bastards. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 7178 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 216.203.223.87 |
I'll happily pay. My question is what the pro-graffitti people think about them still tagging shit with their name and nothing more specifically on functioning businesses and other things. Hopefully people will contribute and someone that knows him/them will come forward for a chunck of cash. All I want to do is turn them in and see justice as I will bet my life they do not live in the city. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 125 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.43.107.72 |
You know, if you paid someone to go around shooting these criminals, the problem would be non-existent. Im thinking 1,000 a pop bounty. Sounds sick and evil, but really enough is enough! | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 7179 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 216.203.223.87 |
I just want to turn them into the authorities, not shoot them. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 126 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.43.107.72 |
The authorities in this town are null and void! I guess im not talking about smaller crimes like graffitti but it seems like with all the publicity about the Detroit Police downsizing and whatnot, it seems like crime has risen. I have heard of alot of incidences in the Wayne State area lately | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 2463 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.167.210.27 |
I'm good for $25 Jt1, mainly because their defacements [they don't even ascend to the level of deserving to be called graffiti] are so ugly and boring. Their stuff really sucks. Lock'em up. | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4787 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.41.124.8 |
remember the crusade to get the Trtl guy? hell, that guy got outed on the freaking evening news and everything, but was he ever charged? no. http://www.nograffiti.com/graf news/12_04/police_id_graffiti_ artist.htm report these people to the authorities all you want- there's no way they can prove shit unless they're caught in the act. can anyone guarantee that the person you put forward is responsible for every tag attributed to them? unless they confess, there's no way you can validate it. anybody can be a copycat. and i doubt you're going to get the DPD to waste their valuable resources doing round-the-clock surveillance on abandoned warehouses and vacant skyscrapers to catch punks with spraycans when they could be patrolling your neighborhoods. nice thought. but i guarantee you're wasting your cash. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 7180 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 216.203.223.112 |
Aram - I am more than happy to follow the people and get pictures of them in the act. Will they be targeted for every tag? No. Will it at least bring a/some charges? I know some people in the system that may make it a little harder for them. | ||
Erikd Member Username: Erikd Post Number: 579 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.214.106 |
Mike Duggan led the anti-graffiti charge, and he was able to nail a few guys on it while he was prosecutor. The TURTL tagger wasn't exposed until Duggan had left the WCPO. The prosecution of graffiti vandals stopped after Kym Worthy decided that Wayne County had "bigger problems" than a guy responsible for vandalizing hundreds of buildings. Thanks to the indifferent attitude of Ms. Worthy, vandals are free to deface property in Detroit with no risk of facing charges for it. I really miss Mike Duggan... | ||
Mpow Member Username: Mpow Post Number: 183 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 200.65.7.48 |
Detroit really doesn't have a graffitti problem compared to other cities. In Mexico City it is everywhere, so much so I fail to see it now. I guess it stands out more in Detroit. My recommendation is to chill because it will always be around, don't let it turn you into a neurotic wreck. Saludos. | ||
Thecarl Member Username: Thecarl Post Number: 695 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.14.30.175 |
whut urrr thurr tagzz? | ||
Pikturewerk Member Username: Pikturewerk Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 71.65.10.42 |
I find the grafitti kind of interesting on some of the older buildings.     | ||
Lurker Member Username: Lurker Post Number: 1620 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.196.220.198 |
How is that last one interesting? Please, I would love to hear your analysis on the artistic merit. Was it because the artist had to use a step ladder to get 7 feet in the air? | ||
Chris_rohn Member Username: Chris_rohn Post Number: 222 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 68.248.43.204 |
It's "kind of interesting" until the city uses their grafitti as one of the excuses to tear down historical architecture. The first two photos feature buildings that no longer exist! | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 127 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.43.107.72 |
Detroit needs more murals! | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 202 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.148.213.218 |
How is scrawling your made-up name in black paint on a historic building "interesting?" Compared to graffiti painters who create grand murals it seems rather talentless and boring. And pushing buildings closer to demolition never seemed particularly "interesting" to me. In fact, each of the photos you've chosen shows nothing more than vandalism-style scrawl - there's absolutely nothing artistic about it. Perhaps you need to get out more and be exposed to more things in life if that garbage qualifies as "interesting" to you. | ||
Aiw Member Username: Aiw Post Number: 5468 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.65.200 |
Tagging isn't art. Writing "eggs" or "money" is dumb, and boring. As for the grafitti "problem". Detroit doesn't have a problem compared to other cities. While I am against destruction of private property, some of it is intersting to look at. Here are a few from Paris last fall...    | ||
Pikturewerk Member Username: Pikturewerk Post Number: 13 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 71.65.10.42 |
Thank you AIW. In fact I do get out quite a bit. I have been documenting the changes going on in Detroit for the past three years. Just because it is not of interest to you, does not mean that it isn't to anyone else. I suppose I should have just posted the photos and let you discuss that. | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 203 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.148.213.218 |
Pikturewerk, Seriously, you've been asked by a couple people - what do you find interesting about someone scrawling their name in black paint, with no designs, colors or geometry, especially compared with the pics AIW posted? And particularly in light of the fact that the examples you gave are scrawled on century-old brickwork, defacing something that was beautiful in itself? Again, please explain what is interesting about that? | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 2470 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.167.210.27 |
AIW, I suspect those were 'invited' graffiti works. Especially as there is no spillover to other parts of the building. A number of merchants do that. Are those pics from Windsor? | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 2471 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.167.210.27 |
Easy on the newbie, Hockey Player. He brought some nice images to the forum and probably doesn't know about the sensitivities this issue stirs up in here. Welcome to the forum PiktureWerk. That said, what do you find interesting about it? Sociologically it might have some interest but aesthetically it is boring and hideous IMO. | ||
Aiw Member Username: Aiw Post Number: 5469 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.65.200 |
Lowell, those are from Paris, France. I doubt the van was "invited". I think it was more a case of being parked in the wrong place overnight. | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 2473 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.167.210.27 |
It looks too much to me like they avoided the windows, grill, lights and other details, unless the owner had to clean those since it was done. The clean separation between front and side is another argument for invitation IMO. | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 204 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.148.213.218 |
I think I am being rather easy on him, in fact. What I'm trying to understand is what is interesting about it. It might be noteworthy in a sociological way, i.e. why in most cases kids from affluent suburbs feel a desire to deface historic structures, regardless of their condition. And even more so, how is it they are so artistically and aesthetically blind to the beauty of those structures? Many of these kids posit themselves as artists, yet seem blind to the beauty they destroy. It calls into question this notion of them as having some artistic sense or ability. One doesn't go into the DIA and tag a Rivera mural and call the vandalism art, so how does defacing intricate brickwork with meritless scrawl then qualify as artistic expression? I am asking these questions seriously - I cannot fathom what anyone - regardless of their stance on graffiti - finds appealing about someone scrawling their name on a brick wall. I would like to hear a rational defense of the artistic merits of scrawling one's tag somewhere. In essence, what is supposedly so interesting about it? Someone just suggested that it is indeed so, therefore I'd like to hear an explanation of that stance. | ||
River_rat Member Username: River_rat Post Number: 100 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 207.67.146.66 |
The fact that anyone has any thoughts that graffiti=art is why Detroit has the crime problem it does. Lock them up! But what usually happens if they are caught is that they are released because they are poor, unemployed, and the victims of the lack of economic opportunity of this area. They are one of the reasons there is a lack of opportunity in Detroit. A good example of what enforcement can do for a problem is the NYC subway system. Once the magnet for graffiti - you should see it now. No more unintelligible swine art. NYC Transit fully prosecuted the perps. Good result. the river rat for civil society | ||
Superaygun Member Username: Superaygun Post Number: 370 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 65.196.52.227 |
get some of those other ppl while you're at it, like the many incarnations of "Turdl" and "Hughes" and that idiot who insists Hamtramck/H.Park needs to look at poorly drawn bloody fangs everywhere. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 740 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.69.75 |
Let's not forget THIS sonofabitch ! Heres two brand new ones:   And heres an historic firehouse that is trying to get rehabbed that has been covered with the devils polkadots and birthday cakes - painted right on the brickwork with no regard to preservation:  And whats better, I think I know where we can find this damned vandal ~ Grab your torches, clubs and pitchforks and LETS ROLL ! | ||
Superaygun Member Username: Superaygun Post Number: 371 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 65.196.52.227 |
me and my aluminum baseball bat are with you, Mauser! i've been in a fightin' mood... | ||
Solarflare Member Username: Solarflare Post Number: 409 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.69.106.29 |
Someone on this board made a post in the past that they were sitting in class and someone in that class made claim to being the oral/eggs person/people. My forum search skillz are lacking but I'll keep looking. Or that person could just SPEAK UP if they're still here. We're closer than we think on that one. Also, I've seen recent Trtl stuff around Hamtramck. Apparently even public exposure isn't enough. | ||
Skamour14 Member Username: Skamour14 Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 67.185.180.156 |
What did the good Lord say.... I AM that I AM | ||
Wabashrr1 Member Username: Wabashrr1 Post Number: 62 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
I'm no fan of graffitti and I think those who do it should have thier spray cans pointed at thier face. However, I have to admit that some of it is interesting, such as this one.. Battleship Car It was done several years ago, 7 or 8 I think, and has faded now. The time and effort that went into it clearly shows more 'skill' (if you want to call it that) than just scribling ones name or painting a large dot. | ||
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2 Post Number: 109 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 71.10.61.35 |
Skamour14, wasn't it Popeye the Sailor Man that said, ".... I AM that I AM" Livedog2 | ||
Aiw Member Username: Aiw Post Number: 5470 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.209.42 |
I belive it is: "I yam what I yam" | ||
Thecarl Member Username: Thecarl Post Number: 698 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.14.30.175 |
you're on the right track, chitaku, but a little too extreme. how about caning? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C aning_in_Singapore | ||
Superaygun Member Username: Superaygun Post Number: 375 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 68.42.181.134 |
i have seen graffiti that was aesthetically pleasing, but if it's that good it belongs on a canvas or some other portable, permanent, privately owned surface. it's kind of a waste of good art too to put it on a wall somewhere that could be torn down or painted over, or fade from exposure. (disclaimer: this suggestion to change mediums only applies to graffiti ARTISTS. those other dipshits are just no-talent vandals; i highly doubt anyone's going to appreciate/purchase a canvas with "oral/eggs/money/beans" sprayed on it...) | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 741 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.27.51 |
Or a canvas with a big dot on it.. | ||
Pikturewerk Member Username: Pikturewerk Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 71.65.10.42 |
Since inqiring minds want to know. I find the ingenuity of the artist interesting. How do they do that upsidedown? These types of creative expression are part of urban life just about everywhere in the world today. I do not condone this type of thing, but since I am an artist, I document these and many other things weather they are pretty or not. I photograph in a documentary style. Yes I think there should be something done about it so it does not happen again. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1079 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.74.29.163 |
Jt1, I'm in for $100. Aram: I assume the idea would be to catch them in the act, in person or on camera, etc., making it easy for the police. I'm not expecting the police to open an investigation or set up a sting operation or anything. | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 562 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.176.123 |
I'm in for $100, too. However, I don't need a conviction. I just want them to be publicly humilated. | ||
Superaygun Member Username: Superaygun Post Number: 381 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 68.42.181.134 |
hmmm, so what would that involve? being publicly chained to a wall and spray-painted? ideas? | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 563 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.176.123 |
The way the last couple of graffitti artists were paraded in front of cameras at court would be adequate. But I have to admit, the chained to a wall and spray painted idea sounds interesting. I'd like to see them spend some quality hours of community service scrubbing a couple of choice alley ways, starting with those surrounding Capital Park. | ||
Vas Member Username: Vas Post Number: 526 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.241.253.73 |
screw u. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 743 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.69.154 |
lol | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1082 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.73.55.190 |
Mauser, I also enjoy the dots on the burned out buildings, no harm in that. What's the scoop with that firehouse, though... are those actually Tyree dots on it? It does appear to be in decent shape... is it scheduled for demo? | ||
Docmo Member Username: Docmo Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.40.171.54 |
I recently returned from a trip to LA. I used to live there in the Eighties. I was disgusted by the extent of grafitti defacement. LA looks like schitt compared to when I used to live there. Every freeway sign that was accessible had been defaced by this apparent gang grafitti. It was everywhere. Not to excuse the problem in Detroit, but, LA is much worse than here. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 745 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.123.182 |
Doug, my only point in bringing Tyree into it is that people defend him when he does the same shit and thats complete BS. Yeah, Tyree painted on the brick of a firehouse that is undergoing rennovation. Thats not enjoyable. But nobody will ever call for him to be shot at, or publicly humiliated or whatever. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 8329 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.71.59.252 |
I think 'ol Tyree should get a kick in the ass with some steel toe boots. But alas, isn't art in the eye of the beholder? Though I believe that any and all graffiti artists should have their fingers broken if they deface property that isn't theirs to begin with. But that's just me.. (Message edited by GOAT on April 17, 2006) |
