  Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 3959 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229 |
Recent data from SEMCOG reported that the population of Wayne County is now under 1,989, 000 Million people. In late 2007, Macomb County 840,000 population will surpass Detroit's 872,000 people. What does this means from metropolitan's image? | ||
Matt Member Username: Matt Post Number: 1035 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.49.95.12 |
Um, absolutely nothing because Macomb County is a COUNTY. If you want to look at figures, take Detroit out of Wayne County's totals and they surpass Detroit in population at 1,117,000! *gasp* What does that mean for the metropolitan's image?! | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 209 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.20.140.8 |
Detroit increasingly becomes a smaller slice of Metro Detroit while the entire region continues to be saddled with the image of Detroit. It's a lose-lose situation. | ||
Mw2gs Member Username: Mw2gs Post Number: 180 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 68.252.3.47 |
The entire region is saddled with the image of the State. Detroit is still and will always be the largest and signature city in the state. You hacks making a point that a county's population is catching up to a single city's population, only shows where you really stand. Oh well....carry on | ||
Mountainman Member Username: Mountainman Post Number: 13 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 153.90.170.190 |
Keep jacking up those gas prices, and maybe the sprawl might slow if not stop. Make the suburbanites pay for things they make Detroiters alone pay for. Like the DIA, the infrastructure to get to and from the sporting events, concerts, and work in the city. Maybe you might start reversing those numbers. They are sad to me. Increbibly. Who in their right mind want to live in hillbilly county (aka Macomb)? All the concrete, none of th character. LRT (rail transit) might be a major answer to all of this. | ||
Spacemonkey Member Username: Spacemonkey Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 63.102.87.27 |
"All the concrete, none of th character" That's funny. Detroit IS all concrete. Moreso than the suburbs. Character? Um. Yeah. | ||
Millingtond Member Username: Millingtond Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.128.233.36 |
Hmm I drive 150 miles a day to work I live 95 Miles from Detroit and I don't miss all the concrete noise or character (crime) of the city. I like my dirt roads, Small town, Cows in the field across from me and I drive into the city daily. So your moronic approach to rasing the price of gas to stop sprawl well most of us who "sprawled" have this option called a transfer. I can put in a form to move to Saginaw 26 miles or Flint 22 miles and not drive into Detroit at all. Makes no difference to you if I spend my money in the City of Detroit or Flint. By the way the majority of higher paying jobs in the city of Detroit have suburban offices to transfer to. (Message edited by MillingtonD on April 12, 2006) | ||
Deputy Member Username: Deputy Post Number: 89 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 63.115.132.100 |
Mountainman, C'mon...there are many reasons one would want to live in Macomb County. First, look at the property tax rates, they are low....extremely low compared to the city. Second, those with children want them to go to quality schools, not many would say the city schools are quality. Also, suburbanites pay plenty for infrastructure, more money comes from the burbs to pay for roads, water and sewers, etc. than from the city. I would love to move into the city, but with the outrageous tax rates, insurance rates, lack of services, lack of quality schools, there are just too many barriers. If we expect people to move into the city then we should make the city living attractive and economically competitive with the suburban option. | ||
Jsmyers Member Username: Jsmyers Post Number: 1599 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 209.131.7.68 |
I laugh my ass off everytime I hear about somebody paying extra for this. It is not the cows. I love cows. I wish my grandfather still had them. It is the fact that people pay extra for something that their very precense will destroy. The farmer (or owner of the beautiful forest) will see to a developer and what are you left with? The same suburban crap and longer commute. And Millingtond, I'm not talking about you as an individual. I know nothing about you, you might be the wife of the farmer for all I know. I was just commenting about the general population. And when oil hits $100/bbl and everyone wants a transfer, there will be no transfer. Just a horribly ineffiecient state with a lot of people that can't afford to get to work. Unless we can get rolling on that transit Mountainman writes of. The exurbs in Northern Oakland and Macomb or Western Wayne county are not paying their share of the cost of the infrastructure they require. Unfortunately, it is the inner suburbs RO, Ferndale, Dearborn, Roseville, ect that are really getting screwed. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 418 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
I have friends are relatives living in western WC, southern OC or MC who almost never come into the city of Detroit. They don't work there and obviously wouldn't shop there because Detroit doesn't have many businesses other than party stores, store-front "churches", hairdresser and nail shops, and beauty-parlor supply outlets. Even Detroiters have to travel to the burbs for any meaningful shopping or employment. Those living in the exoburbs are similar to Detroiters in that respect. So why not simply state that Detroiters are not paying their share? | ||
Jsmyers Member Username: Jsmyers Post Number: 1602 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 209.131.7.68 |
???? How do you add 2 + 2 and get blue? | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1497 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
Alright, let's play who pays for what... DIA - The Founder's Society, and I think the state still kicks in a little. I'm not sure Detroit pays for anything there anymore - they just "own" it. If they contribute anything, it's very little. Meanwhile donors, many of whom are suburbanites, are giving 140 million for improvements and endowment to the DIA. Detroiters pay little, if anything for the DIA. Infrastructure - if we're talking about freeways, which seems to be the thrust here, then everyone pays. The city of Detroit doesn't pay for "their" interstates and the suburbs don't pay for "theirs", On the other hand, city streets, water (except main trunk lines I would assume), and sewer are in fact paid for by the local municipality. Mountainman and Deputy, you need to reverse your opinions and each take the other side when it comes to who pays for what.  Ahem *clears throat* where have you people been all your lives? Who pays for mass transit? No one does, and everyone suffers. That includes you suburbanites in both tangible and intangible ways. Gotta go with mountainman on "all of the concrete and none of the character". Priceless. Unless you're living in Montana or the Maine coast or whatever, you're not really living in someplace scenic and/or wild. McComb county with it's expanding population is the country? Get real. | ||
Jsmyers Member Username: Jsmyers Post Number: 1603 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 209.131.7.68 |
Remember that those thing Detoit owns are things that the city sunk a lot of capital into. In some ways that is like paying off your mortgage and not being able to keep your neighbors from sleeping on your porch. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1498 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
JS, that is very true. I think there should be some balance to the discussion and the support of others outside the city should be respected and noted. I get tired of the "people are trying to steal Detroit's Jewels" lingo, is all. | ||
Jsmyers Member Username: Jsmyers Post Number: 1604 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 209.131.7.68 |
Don't get me wrong. They should be regionally controlled and financed. And I think the time has long passed to consider getting money from other parts of the region. It is just one solid way that the "suburbs have been dumping money into Detroit for years" aurguement is full of crap. | ||
Mountainman Member Username: Mountainman Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 69.144.194.110 |
Let's face it. Without those cows or farms, there would be no city. Without the city there would be suburbs. With the suburbs there is less and less cows and farms. This seems to a problematice equation. Especially for sprawling suburbs of Detroit. As for as infrastructure goes. Its quite obvious who pays for the freeways. But they get you to the roads (paid for by the city and its residents) that get you to the game. Without them, you might be walking quite a bit. The DPD are the ones who provide security and traffic control. The city also pays for the traffic lights, and the necessary services for parking to attend these games and events. Residents also pay for the water that you may consume during the course of your stay, as well as the garbage you leave. But, on the up side, Illitch makes you pay for the gravel parking lots. Meaningful shopping!? Well that's an absurd statement. We're talking about private companies, and lord knows getting them to support any economicly depressed community, let alone one that happens to be a racial minority, is a kin to pulling teeth from an angry wolverine. Good Luck. Detroiters are more often than not paying for their fair. I'm sure you're more likely to find poor urbanites working those low paying positions so the wealthier suburbanites can buy all their pretty things. As far the discussion over costs for living in either the city or the burbs, well there is both an economic cost and social cost. In the end the social cost can clearly affect the economic cost. Why must the freeways be so heavily subsidized? Why not rail lines, that move people and goods much more efficently. As for the schools issue. Well, schools can clearly be a community based initiative. Because you, your parents, or their parents decided to cut and run from school system that had problems (small at one time), does not mean that Detroit schools are doomed to failure. We do live a democratic society in which we as residents have a choice as to how a system is run. Throwing you hands up in the air, and declaring "That S%$t is broken", isn't the way to affect any positive change. Millingtond, Llyn, and Deputy you answers are old, tired, and full of the regular bias and ignorance that have created problems Detroit now has today. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1502 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
MM Respectfully, I didn't give an annswer. | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 235 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 12.47.224.7 |
It seems more and more that 20 years from now we will have a reverse donut effect, a repopulated core, depopulated bedroom community suburbs, and booming bedroom community/office park exurbs. Wow that'll be really wierd like a wall between exurbia and the urban core. BTW, I like the concrete in the city. It's warmer in the winter. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3522 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
I think something elese that needs to be added to this is that SEMCOG, for the first time, is using adjustments using U.S. Census county estimates which is why you see such a huge "drop" from just last month for Detroit and Wayne County, in particular. I'm not sure how much more accurate that is, if at all. For instance, Detroit is said to be at 872,322 this month, but before the adjustments was said to be 886,311 last month. I'm not sure what to believe anymore beyound the fact that it is clear that outside of the inner city neighborhoods it appears that people are fleeing the city even faster than in the 1990's even with the cry of "revitalization" in the air. |
