  Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2552 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.251.27.41 |
DIA Experts To Repair Artwork POSTED: 10:56 am EST February 28, 2006 DETROIT -- The Detroit Institute of Arts is stuck with having to repair a painting worth $1.5 million. Specifically, it has to remove a stain left by a wad of gum stuck on the painting by a 12-year-old visitor Friday. Museum officials said the boy was with a group from Holly Academy in Oakland County when he took the gum out of his mouth and stuck it on Helen Frankenthaler's 1963 abstract painting, "The Bay." The gum didn't stick to the fiber of the canvas, but left a stain the size of a quarter. Museum experts are researching the chemicals in the gum to decide how to clean the painting. The boy was suspended from school. Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/7541060/detail.html?treet s=det&tid=2654296162813&tml=de t_12pm&tmi=det_12pm_1_10500202 282006&ts=H | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 2323 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.167.211.61 |
This isn't going to be one of those graffiti threads, is it? [Under the desk or under your chair kid!] It wasn't exactly like the guy taking a hammer to Michaelangelo's Pieta, but it's a start... | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 962 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
http://www.midlifecrisis.com/f rankenthaler.htm It's no Van Gogh... | ||
Everydayislikesunday Member Username: Everydayislikesunday Post Number: 213 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.41.153.99 |
The principal was quoted as saying, "He is only 12..." This kid knew better. It's possible that he didnt understand the ramifications of his actions, but all school kids are briefed by their school and the docents at the DIA about proper conduct in the museum. | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 1133 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.145.38.104 |
This is why I don't have any brats around my house. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 252 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.2.191.57 |
Maybe he wants to grow up to be an art critic. Hell of a way to make a statement. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 963 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
Next thing you know, high-schoolers will be trying to shoot the nose off of the Rodin near the DIA entrance. | ||
Everydayislikesunday Member Username: Everydayislikesunday Post Number: 214 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.41.153.99 |
lol@ machoken. moi aussi. (Message edited by everydayislikesunday on February 28, 2006) | ||
Patrick Member Username: Patrick Post Number: 3273 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.222.10.3 |
Yeah, unless he was in special ed, he knew better. Make him be a janitor there for a month. | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 430 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.215.30.34 |
12-year-old, and not knowing better ..... and just being a kid, huh ? I guess he should just tag some stuff at Cranbrook too. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3252 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
If this isn't a museums worst nightmare. lol Seriously, I thought I was coming in here to read about a 5 year old. This kid is 12, old enough to realize that sticking gum on a museum painting is not acceptable behavior. | ||
Dove7 Member Username: Dove7 Post Number: 2018 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 24.5.195.127 |
never was impressed wiith van goph or michaengelo. overhyped artist. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2942 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.213.96 |
Van Goph and Michaengelo are overhyped. However, I really like Van Gogh and Michelangelo. | ||
Patrick Member Username: Patrick Post Number: 3274 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.222.10.3 |
Very true Czar. I feel Daygas and Rafyel are also hyped too | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3256 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
I think the artist of a painting in a museum like the DIA is pretty irrelevant. A boy shouldn't be sticking his gum on a museum painting be it Average Joe or Vincent Van Gogh. | ||
Clark1mt Member Username: Clark1mt Post Number: 61 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 4.229.129.218 |
Can anyone explain how a 43-year old painting by someone I've never heard of gets to be worth $1.5 million? Disclaimer: I'm very much visual art-ignorant, so perhaps the "never heard of" part is irrelevant. Nonetheless, the painting in question sure doesn't look like $1.5m. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2100 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
What do you expect from those suburban brats! No respect for anything cultural since they live in a dead zone! | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1642 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Agreed, it is not like they are as impressive as a Michael Jackson. Now Jacko he is an artist. | ||
Rustic Member Username: Rustic Post Number: 2125 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 130.132.177.245 |
Holly Academy = Charter School, Special Ed or both? | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 519 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 68.61.98.175 |
Nobody wants to teach their children how to act in pubic. Look at the kerfuffle over the coffee shop that posted the sign saying children use indoor voices or they must leave. Who needs to deal with everybody's spoiled bored children? You shouldn't put your unwanted gum anywhere but a trash receptacle. Or behind your ear. | ||
Jdmdetroit Member Username: Jdmdetroit Post Number: 147 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 170.20.11.116 |
Yikes. The kid's parents should pay for the restoration. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3258 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
And that would bankrupt those parents, probably. lol I think a good punishment would be making the boy work at the museum for awhile to learn how hard it is to run a museum. Give the kid a broom and tell him get to sweepin'. (Message edited by lmichigan on February 28, 2006) | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2101 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
I say string him up by his ankles over a pit of snakes for an hour or two. That should do the trick  | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3630 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
As a young man I used to leave a sticky mess on $2.50 magazines. | ||
Downtown_dave Member Username: Downtown_dave Post Number: 55 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 63.77.247.130 |
Is gum sticking acceptible behavior in his own home? Does mom and dad permit him to stick his gum under the kitchen table or the bedpost? I'd guess not, especially by the teachable age of 12 years old. So why on Earth would this kid think his behavior is permissable in public, let alone on the face of a painting in no less a place than the DIA? How about a public apology first, then a trip to the snakepit... Sheesh! | ||
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man Post Number: 665 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 199.178.193.5 |
LOL @ Skulker, I was thinking the same thing! (About you of course.....) | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 1387 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 72.25.177.194 |
Don't make him janitor for a month, he'll be trying to remove the stain with Scrubbing Bubbles - yikes. | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3632 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
Now I just leave them on Gamblingman's girlfriend. | ||
Everydayislikesunday Member Username: Everydayislikesunday Post Number: 215 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.41.153.99 |
Maybe Im being irrational -- but I definitely think the boy should get some kind of community service. He needs to understand that he cannot deface public property -- whether it is in a museum or a park bench. I dont think the idea of him working in a cultural attraction would be such a bad idea. To gain appreciation and RESPECT for these things should be taught from birth. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3261 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
You're not being irrational, at all. He definitely needs some kind of work-related punishment as a teaching tool. While the act itself may not seem that critical, the whole disregard for the property of others is the focus. Just like someone being caught in the act of graffiti, he (his family it will have to be) should be made to work off what it cost to repair the picture (or a decided amount of it), or face a lump-sum fine. As far as I'm concerned, this is petty vandlism. | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 113 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.107.47.65 |
He's a dumbass? Seriously, he was way old enough to know better. I'd say any kid 2 or older can learn to respect art in a museum. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2102 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Skulker - I borrowed your magazines once and nearly got pregnant! | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 1654 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 129.9.163.233 |
At least he didn't trip over his shoelace and smash a 300 year old chinese vase. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/ europe/02/06/uk.museum.vase/in dex.html (Who leaves 300 year old vases on a window ledge next to a stair case?) | ||
Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce Post Number: 528 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252 |
Hold on, hold on. Until I see his addition, I'm withholding judgement. It is an "abstract" painting. He could have just added $500,000 to it's worth. | ||
Aiw Member Username: Aiw Post Number: 5340 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.216.150.127 |
What that brat needs is a red ass. | ||
Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce Post Number: 529 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252 |
Too many jokes - not enough room in prison... | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 966 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
Look at it this way. If it had been a Jackson Pollock, no one would have even noticed the incident. Bada bing, bada boom. Seriously, some work-related community service at the DIA would be on the right track. | ||
Thrice Member Username: Thrice Post Number: 75 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 207.91.250.131 |
The real irony of this is that Frankenthaler used to get down on her hands and knees and scrub her paintings with turpentine to get that blended water color look. This is sometimes referred to as a “stained” or "stained canvas" look. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 8151 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.54.68.57 |
Not only a red ass, but how about a good punch to the face? What a little prick. | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1092 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.221.36.169 |
When I read this it was like deja vu. I was in the DIA a couple of years ago to discuss my piece hanging there [ a large reddish encaustic construction] when I noticed a small plastic sticker on the upper right hand corner. The curator who was with me was mortified when I pointed it out. The whole thing had to be removed from the gallery and taken to conservation. My instant reaction was to reach to pick the sticker off, but the curator stopped me, as I was no longer the owner. That kid should surely be punished, and in a way that he realizes how wrong and irresponsible his actions are. He and his whole class could also be given a tour of the conservation labs so they see how works of art are valued and protected. Education should definitely be a part of this. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 256 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.2.191.57 |
Curious what the "small plastic sticker" turned out to be. Did they ever determine how it came to be there? | ||
Tåla Member Username: Tåla Post Number: 57 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 68.41.164.3 |
After hearing his parents talk trash about the city for 12 years, it's just Detroit so why not? | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1094 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
The plastic sticker looked like a label that had been peeled off of a candy bar or fruit pie. I never found out exactly who did it, because by the time I entered the gallery it was empty. From what I understand there was no long lasting damage to my piece. I saw the Frankenthaler on the news a minute ago....the close up of the place where the gum had been showed a well-defined stain. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 260 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.2.191.57 |
Maybe they ought to cover all the art with Seran wrap? I dunno. Sounds kinda tacky. Maybe some less visible barrier exists. I defer to the experts. (Message edited by Jimaz on February 28, 2006) | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 325 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
Strikes me that a painting worth 1.5 mil should be protected by plexiglas. But that would be logical, and I've never known artists to be logical. | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 1048 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 152.163.100.8 |
Tåla: "After hearing his parents talk trash about the city for 12 years, it's just Detroit." I was wondering the same thing. Glad you had the nerve to point this out. Such a shame the damage this ill-mannered child caused. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1835 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.96 |
Ray1936, the number of items in the DIA worth at least a million dollars probably numbers into the thousands. Not feasible. | ||
Jenniferl Member Username: Jenniferl Post Number: 243 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 4.229.42.185 |
Leoqueen, Which piece in the DIA is yours? | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 867 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.41.8.82 |
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Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 326 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
Ummm....I just now saw a picture of the painting. 1.5 mil? Barnum was right. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 1396 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.230.22.99 |
Re plexiglas, in the Louvre, only the Mona Lisa is protected, every other painting and sculpture can be approached and looked at closely (within inches, and potentially touchable) There doesn't appear to be any damage to anything, despite the thousands who pass the most popular works each day, year after year (century after century!) In the distant, less visited wings, huge priceless works are there, untouched over the centuries. A very respectful crowd, day after day. Surprisingly, flash pictures are allowed everywhere, including the Mona Lisa. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3263 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
At Hornwrecker: "Sticking chewing gum on a valuable painting? That's a paddlin'..." | ||
Shark Member Username: Shark Post Number: 194 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 69.208.249.49 |
Yeah, because everybody north of 8 mile hates Detroit, is envious of their nice things and spends every waking moment wishing nothing but bad fortune to everything in the city limits. Some of you people on here are so paranoid and delusional it is laughable. | ||
Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce Post Number: 531 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252 |
And some of you people take things a little too personally. why take it that way? People in the suburbs talk shit about Detroit. It's a regional sport for gods sake. If you can't recognize that, then I wonder who the delusional one really is? | ||
Huggybear Member Username: Huggybear Post Number: 163 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 70.236.169.121 |
Yeah, but they have an obnoxious guy dodging in front of it to prevent your getting a clear shot. But why the hell are people trying to take pictures of it anyway? You would never get a good shot with a handheld camera using flash anyway. Might as well buy the postcard. The kid with the gum is a real philistine. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 737 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
Maybe the kid was trying to replicate the 'fine' piece....from a secular eye , the piece resembles a splotch of gum. super d(motordetroit) | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 328 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
Got that right, Super_d. Splotch of gum would improve that piece of, uh...'art' methinks. Yeah, I know, everyone's a critic...... | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3264 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Huggybear, I got a decent shot of the Mona Lisa without a flash when I visited the Lourve. Of course, I lossed it when my computer crashed last. doh! But really, it's not so much to get a picture that you could sell, but a picture to simply show that you were in its presence. lol | ||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2554 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
"The DIA, You Chewin?" | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1096 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 152.163.100.8 |
Jenniferl, the work of mine that was on display is named MONUMENT....here is the link to an image http://dia.org/the_collection/ overview/viewobject.asp?object id=61836 It has'nt been out for a while because of the museum renovations and work rotations | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 3759 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.223 |
Kids these days are like Dennis the Menace! | ||
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840 Post Number: 142 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 12.31.43.9 |
Did they punch him in the face? | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 3692 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.217.119.145 |
This wasn't the kid in The Squid and The Whale by any chance? LMAO! | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 889 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 198.208.159.20 |
a-hah! leoqueen is who I thought she was I was one of those exhausted trans students that kept falling asleep in your tuesday morning history of modern art class several years ago...how I wish I drew fewer cars and paid more attention to the history.  like the painting or not, it has great cultural signifigance and that punk kid should be made to understand the work that goes into creating and preserving such things | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1098 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
well now Gravity! You know who I am but I dont know who you are! Are you still at the Big C or when did you graduate? You dont have to reveal yourself....I just figured most knew who I was anyway. To tell you the truth, when I saw the sticker on my piece at first it made me laugh; the color of it almost made it fit in with the design and texture---but this kind of disrespect has to be discouraged strongly. | ||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2563 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.251.27.41 |
Chew Chew Chew Chew Your Bubble Gum Chew Chew Chew Chew Your Bubble Gum Chew Chew Chew Chew Your Bubble Gum Chew Chew Chew Baby First you pop, then you stop The gum gets big and round. Blow your troubles, Way like bubbles When you hear that Funny little sound [pop noise] Chew Chew Chew Chew Your Bubble Gum Chew Chew Chew Chew Your Bubble Gum Chew Chew Chew Chew Your Bubble Gum Chew Chew Chew Chew Your Bubble Gum! [Boys] Listen Sis your havin’ fun, Chewing on your bubble gum Give us some and we shall see, Just what fills your heart with glee [Ella] Boys your right I’m havin’ fun Chewin’ on my bubble gum Bubble gum it makes me sing, Here chew some to make you swing! First you pop, then you stop The gum gets big and round. Blow your troubles, Way like bubbles When you hear that Funny little sound [pop noise] | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 890 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 198.208.159.20 |
leoqueen, I graduated in '02, if I recall I was in your class my junior year either the fall of '00 or winter of '01... my big project/paper was real half assed, I did it from a picture of claus oldenburg's chrysler airflow profile that I found on the DIA website...I never even stepped foot into that museum until like a year later :embarrased: | ||
Jasoncw Member Username: Jasoncw Post Number: 126 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 148.61.248.170 |
When the title said "boy leaves sticky mess," I thought of something different, lol. Leoqueen, that's really cool that you have something in a major museum like that. How much did they pay you for it? As others have said, the kid knew exactly what he was doing, and after all, that is the bratty kind of thing that people of that age do sometimes. If it was a younger kid with dirty hands who wanted to feel the texture of the painting, then that would be understandable. Can you even have gum in the DIA? | ||
Everydayislikesunday Member Username: Everydayislikesunday Post Number: 217 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.41.153.99 |
Gum is not allowed in the galleries. If a security guard spots a gum chewer, they are to go up to the guest, hand them a piece of paper that states their gum policy, and then says "please use this paper to dispose of your chewing gum." | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1099 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
Jasoncw, I wouldnt tell anyone what I was paid, but suffice it to say it was a little less than 1.5 million | ||
Rustic Member Username: Rustic Post Number: 2126 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 130.132.177.245 |
1.4 million it is ... that's a lot of gum. Yay DIA! | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1858 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.47.101.255 |
Aw criminy, it looks like Yahoo has picked this story up now. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200 60301/ap_on_fe_st/gummed_up_ar t | ||
Jltyler Member Username: Jltyler Post Number: 247 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 69.212.34.58 |
Now this story is on the front page of Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200 60301/ap_on_fe_st/gummed_up_ar t | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 998 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 136.1.1.33 |
The Simultaneous Post Award goes to Smogboy & Jltyler! Looks like the story is also on the cnn.com Offbeat News section. It is kind of a funny story when you get down to it. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6849 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
You have got to be fucking kidding me!! He is twelve. If he doesn't understand it by now he never will. Way to excuse this behavior. If Ms. Kildee really believes this she has no business working in an environment around kids. | ||
Everydayislikesunday Member Username: Everydayislikesunday Post Number: 218 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.41.153.99 |
i saw it in the washington post and *heard* that it was in the nyt as well. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3267 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
This was on MSNBC's daily news rotation, as well, as one of their "soft" news stories. One of the women made a little banter with a comment "doesn't the kid know you're supposed to stick you gum under your desk?" Or something similar. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 1413 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 72.25.177.194 |
Jt1 - goodness, I'm glad that by the time you reached 12 there was no more to teach you - but then I guess it is obvious by your 12-ish vulgarity on a public forum for all the world to see. Nice reflection on the D. But then, you said it best: "If he doesn't understand it by now he never will." | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6850 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
Karl - You really do not believe that a 12 year old doesn't know better do you? At 1 I had much more to learn and I still do. I however knew the basic difference between right and wrong and respecting others property. If my post is a reflection on the D then so be it. In that same train of thought I will assume all Rs are over the top, religious zealots that believe they are right and everyone is wrong. Nice reflection on conservative politics. Feel free to fall into the 'he didn't know better' mindset. I love the fact that someone such as yourself seems content to excuse his beavior. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 895 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 198.208.159.20 |
I had a piece in a gallery a few blocks from the DIA and not only did someone try to sit on it, another person spilled wine on it, and a third used it to rummage through her purse...this kind of disregard is not exclusive to kids. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6851 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
But the common link is that those people probably did not know right from wrong by 12 and never learned it. If parents do not have respect for others and others' property the kids will probably never grown into adults with any level of respect. There is no possible justification for his actions and age is the last possible justification. Let's hope he learns from this but it appears that he is already receiving excuses for his actions from the adults around him. | ||
Rustic Member Username: Rustic Post Number: 2127 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 128.36.14.191 |
From jt1's post
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Rustic Member Username: Rustic Post Number: 2128 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 128.36.14.191 |
so just for fun I just google Holly Academy and found a review site. one review posted the following on Nov 2005 (this school year) ... [T]he school does not have an teacher run art program at present. They do have volunteers that come in on a regularly scheduled basis to teach the children art.So maybe the kid never had the opportunity to learn about art from a real teacher ... sad ... so sad ... | ||
Jenniferl Member Username: Jenniferl Post Number: 244 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 4.229.39.237 |
Why would anybody choose to send their kids to a school that doesn't have a regular art class? | ||
Missnmich Member Username: Missnmich Post Number: 487 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.186.39.150 |
jt1- You knew the difference between right and wrong when you were 1? Could you change your own diapers? | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6852 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
Missnmich - 1 and 12 are very different. Why are people jsutifying his actions. I have cousins, nieces and nephews that are under 6 and they would know not to do this. The kid is 12 which would put him in 6th or 7th grade. If you really believe that kids at that age don't know right from wrong I feel sorry for you and your expectations of pre-teens. No wonder our society is falling apart when we expect so little from 12 year olds. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 8164 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.53.96.227 |
My "punch in the mouth" stands...no teeth, no gum chewing, no vandalism. Of course this is sarcasm, but the little brat needs a good smack. | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1101 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.221.36.169 |
At 12 he would most certainly know right from wrong, but the peer pressure must have been so great as to make him temporarily forget his value structure. I think he really was goaded into the action. | ||
Missnmich Member Username: Missnmich Post Number: 488 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.186.39.150 |
Jt1 Sorry, I was just amused by your typo in post 6850. You left out the 2 in 12 ... | ||
Dhugger Member Username: Dhugger Post Number: 24 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 66.167.59.142 |
I have had a teenager at home plus 25 nieces & nephews. They are all beasts between 11 and 15. I am convinced if you leave them unattended at that age it all becomes very evil ie: 'Lord of the Flies' revisited. If you have ever had a kid at the wrong side of a group being picked on you know how brutal they can be. I say military camp for the 12 year old little creaton who ruined the Frankenthaler painting plus community service scraping gum off the side walks in the cultural center area. | ||
Leyland Member Username: Leyland Post Number: 60 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.74.195.249 |
12 is old enough to know better... besides, whenever we went on a field trip our teachers would always tell us that we were going to a musuem and we were not to touch anything. Of course a teacher explained all this to the Holly Academy group, right? | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1102 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.221.36.169 |
I am wondering if the boy is ashamed of all of the media attention, or reveling in the fact that this story has been picked up in all of the news services. Has it been in the New York Times yet? Of course we all realize if he had put the gum on my painting there would have been no uproar, no publicity, no media attention. He got the notice because he was astute enough to choose the work of a second-generation Abstract Expressionist friend of Clement Greenberg. Maybe they ARE teaching art at that school! I am hurt. [sniff] | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6855 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
Damn Missnmich, I owe you an apology. So, my apologies for not seeign the sarcasm due to my poor proofreading. I just get worked up when people give kids a free pass due to age. Again - Sorry. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1864 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.47.101.255 |
Hands hanky over to leoqueen. Lord knows we don't want any salty tears dripping on her piece and having the media circus swarm around her for ruining her piece at the DIA. Do we? | ||
Unclefrank Member Username: Unclefrank Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 192.85.50.2 |
Best idea yet is to have the father and mother of said brat do some quality time cleaning at the DIA. I'm sure Jr. will hear about it every time they come home tired and grungy from cleaning toilets | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 289 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.191.39 |
Anyone catch this on Conan last night? I usually don't care when stale punchlines feature Detroit, but this one seemed unusually harsh: Conan said something like, "...a 12 year boy at a Detroit art museum stuck a piece of gum on a painting worth an estimated $1.5 million dollars...wow, isn't that amazing....Detroit has an art museum." -haha surprised to see this on the front page of bbc-news right now as well: http://news.bbc.co.uk | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1103 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.221.36.169 |
Its in Australia now.....and SCREW Conan O'Brien! http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworl dnews/region.php?id=127552® ion=6 | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1104 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.221.36.169 |
DO WE, Smogboy? [thanks for the hanky] | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1869 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.47.101.255 |
It could be the new technique there Leoqueen! You could be this generation's Pollock with your tear paintings! | ||
Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine Post Number: 132 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 24.231.201.120 |
I wonder if this kid sees the impact in what he did with this swarm of media attention. If you stick gum on a pricey painting, the world will hear about it and hate you! A good story to tell your kids about behaving in public | ||
Missnmich Member Username: Missnmich Post Number: 489 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.186.39.150 |
Wow. And I was impressed that the itsjeff quote about the church shooting made it into our local rag here in Dixie ... | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 485 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.74.205 |
I went to the DIA today. I forgot about this story until I saw the place where the painting once hung. My girlfriend was appalled when I told her WHY the painting wasn't there. | ||
Everydayislikesunday Member Username: Everydayislikesunday Post Number: 220 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.41.153.99 |
Did they remove the painting? I was in there yesterday and it was just cordoned off. Once everything is in place, I believe it should only take a week to two weeks to repair. | ||
Jenniferl Member Username: Jenniferl Post Number: 246 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 4.229.42.5 |
Yes, they took the painting down so they could start on the repair work. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 726 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.24.183 |
That is absolutely incorrect. Specific images and items that are light sensitive or which hold valuable museum copyrights have their own "NO FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY" signage - including Mona Lisa. Mona Lisa is light sensitive - which is why its behind thick glass. (It has also been vandalized and stolen in the past.) When I was there last, I did see people blasting flash cameras at those pieces that are marked "no flash" - but it doesnt mean its allowed. Back to Frankenthaler's painting - if the same 12 year old child had pulled out a gun and murdered somebody, our court system would rush to try him as an adult. Let the punishment fit this crime. He had planned in advance that he was going to stick the gum on something - if it had been a 1.5 million dollar concept car at the auto show, people would be losing their minds over it, rather than debating the value of the car. As to not having heard of Frankenthaler, or not thinking such a work is worth money because you "dont like it" : I am often laughed at due to my ignorance of professional american sports. Once I referred to a basketball guy as "magic jordan" and everybody laughed at me. It took me a minute to realise what I had said that was funny, because these sport folks dont mean shit to me. Now, many of you would not bat an eyelash if one of your golf/soccer/basket/base/foot-b all players made 1.5 million for playing a game. Or if someone gets a million dollars per 1/2 hour sitcom they shoot - etc. (Friends) Or if someone gets a million dollars for a 30 second commercial (Jessica Simpson for that pizza commercial) Just try to keep things in perspective, thats all Im saying. | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1111 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
Thanks Mauser... | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1883 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.47.101.255 |
Very eloquently and soundly stated Mauser. People get hung up on the numbers and what the perceived worth of a piece of art. But that's the beauty of art- it really is in the eye of the beholder. Some of the most prestigious pieces of art in the world I would never buy because I personally wouldn't like it, BUT I can still respect it for its relevance on how influencial it was, it's technical merits and its creator's development. I'm not being asked to place a value on it though nor am I being asked to shell out that kind of money to buy it, but obviously people who are collectors of stuff like this are. They're the ones who are more than willing to pay for it so it's well worth it. Who am I to knock what someone else is willing to pay for something. Lord knows I probably over pay for some fo the clutter I get from eBay but I sure as heck enjoy it to death. If you enjoy and appreciate the art, so be it. If you don't then move on to something you do enjoy and quit lamenting on "I can't believe it's worth that much". No one is asking you to pay for it. And Mauser, your sports analogy is wonderful. I wonder how many people would pay millions here for their employees to hit a baseball or shoot a hockey puck. It's all perceived value. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 3776 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.173.169 |
That's what happens if you take away the spanking from the child. You get a child that put a quarter size chewing gum on one of the D.I.A's paintings. WORD FROM THE STREET PHOPHET! As nothing's sacred in America. | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1114 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
This just in from the Daily Times in Lahore, Pakistan...the new voice for the new Pakistan Saturday, March 04, 2006 Boy, 12, sticks gum on £850,000 painting At least now I know how $1.5 million translates into pounds! | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 727 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.54.229 |
The wad of gum heard round the world. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1889 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.47.101.255 |
My sincere hope is that this doesn't start spurring copy cat crimes/ notoriety. | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 838 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
I hope not either. As is the ususal, someone will want to grab their 15 minutes of fame. | ||
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen Post Number: 1181 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.122.57 |
Most art museums do not allow flash photography... Here's the DIA's policy (from their website): "Photography Policy Camera permits can be obtained from the welcome desks at the Woodward entrance. Still photography and video are permitted for private use in the permanent collection galleries, but are not permitted in special exhibitions. Works of art on loan from private collections or from other institutions may not be photographed. Because of potential damage to the art, flash photography and tripods are prohibited." | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1116 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
Maybe the kid has a secret urge to become an art dealer....Tony Shafrazi vandalized Picasso's Guernica by spraypainting "Kill Lies All" in red. He later opened a very well known New York gallery featuring the top graffitti artists of the day. http://www.temporaryart.org/ar tvandals/03.html | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1119 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
I'm sorry, folks...I am addicted to the news reports about this from around the world--- FLASH Zimbabwe Independent - Harare,Zimbabwe ... STAINED: A 12-year-old visitor to the Detroit Institute of Arts stuck a wad of gum to a US$1,5 million painting, leaving a stain the size of a quarter ... | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 384 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.2.191.57 |
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20060311/NEW S01/603110308 | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 898 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
I sure hope this child has learned his lesson. I wonder how embarrassed his parents are??? | ||
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen Post Number: 1191 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.122.57 |
It has been saved!! http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20060311/NEW S01/603110308 |
