  Wilus1mj Member Username: Wilus1mj Post Number: 35 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 67.149.62.53 |
espn.com is reporting the deal is almost done. Darko and Arroyo for Cato and a first round pick. | ||
Yupislyr Member Username: Yupislyr Post Number: 116 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 24.57.86.210 |
who will be the victory cigar now?! | ||
Tracya2 Member Username: Tracya2 Post Number: 28 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.40.72.56 |
This trade just doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I'm not particularly sad to see Darko go and Arroyo had his problems but Lindsay Hunter as back up point guard? Joe D. must have another trick up his sleeve - I just can't believe he isn't looking for another point guard. On the plus side - how about that Carlos Delfino?? Man, that guy is playing some great basketball - his defense skills have really improved. | ||
Kova Member Username: Kova Post Number: 190 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 141.213.184.173 |
arroyo has improved this year, but he has still been having alot of the same problems as laster year. In Joe We trust! | ||
Steelworker Member Username: Steelworker Post Number: 583 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 68.250.2.39 |
joe hasnt let us down yet. i trust this one. | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 807 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
I agree that Joe hasn't let us down, especially after taking the blame last season for not taking more iniative on keeping the championship in Detroit last season. Joe knows.....his basketball | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 490 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.176.123 |
I initially questioned a couple of Joe D moves in the past. The trades for Rip and Sheed among them. Both have proven to be great moves. I would now follow Joe D blindly in whatever move he makes. In Dumars we trust. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1744 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.47.101.255 |
From the sounds of it, it's also a salary cap move to keep Ben Wallace & Chauncey Billups too. As their contracts are due, the Pistons have to make some room somewhere. And if it comes down to keeping a project like Darko (and that's not to say he still couldn't be a star someday) or the two starters in Ben & Chauncey around for a few more years- I'd think the choice is obvious. | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 2270 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.167.211.50 |
How about Darko for Duane Wade straight up? No. 2 pick for No. 5 pick in 2003. How could Miami resist?  Joe is the man but even he can't hit a home run every time up. What he excels in is understanding team chemistry. If he is after Cato, he is looking for some serious beef to take on Shaq and what does that mean for Dale Davis? Bring back Eldon Campbell. As for Darko, I feel sorry for him. He needs to play to mature and there is no space for him on this team. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 3698 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229 |
Trade Darko away to Orlando Magic to play longer baskerball and he will become like Shaq in no time. BAD MISTAKE!!! | ||
Ohudson Member Username: Ohudson Post Number: 115 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 147.240.236.9 |
Lowell, the reports say the Joe D would cut Cato. He is only interested in an expiring contract so he could have more money to sign Ben and Chauncey. I don't like this deal, I have no reason, I just don't like it. Especially if the 1st round pick is protected. | ||
Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx Post Number: 430 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
If I was Joe D, I'd go back to Atlanta and see if that Al Harrington trade was still available. True, Ben deserves all the loot he can get, but I don't see him leaving Detroit for a billion gazillion dollars. He would be spited throughout the nation for such tomfoolery. | ||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 1218 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 69.220.230.150 |
The pistons do not want a protected 1st round pick and it may die over that issue. Cato is nothing but a $9 million salary dump to keep Wallace and Billups. This is a repeat of the Williamson/Coleman trade a few years ago to sign Prince. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 698 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.119.28 |
Darko will be out the leaque by 2007! Why would Orlando want to trade a lotto pick for him. Joe D, I think we are stuck with Darko.  super d(motordetroit) | ||
Everyman Member Username: Everyman Post Number: 37 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 24.136.14.239 |
salary dump means nothing. we have the bird rights to both wallace and billups, so we can exceed the cap for them, and we weren't gonna have more than the MLE for a number of years to come, anyway. | ||
Deputy Member Username: Deputy Post Number: 83 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 63.115.132.100 |
Everyman, Salary dump does mean something. Even though we have Bird Rights to both Wallace and Billups it will put us over the salary cap. Being over the salary cap means that the Pistons would have to pay the NBA luxury tax...something they have not been willing to do in the past. I would love to see the Stones keep Darko and resign both guys and pay the luxury tax but that looks like wishful thinking. However, this deal has alot of complications. Besides the protection issue of the first round pick, the other main issue is Cato. His almost 9million expiring contract seems to be the center piece to both the Darko trade and the Steve Francis trade to the Knicks. The Knicks desparately need to shed payroll and Cato would allow them to do so. Cato can't be involved in both trades so we'll have to see what happens. | ||
Everyman Member Username: Everyman Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 24.136.14.239 |
conservatively speaking, the cap will probably be $52 mil next year. we currently are at like $54 with tay's recent deal. ben would have to start at like $11mil to even touch the tax, which is likely, though we'd barely scrape it. it'd also be sad if a members' only jacket wearing old dude couldn't spare the extra change for barely exceeding the luxury tax, particularly when a team like NYK is at $125 mil. this trade makes no sense. hunter/acker can't be trusted to do the backup pg thing. | ||
Deputy Member Username: Deputy Post Number: 85 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 63.115.132.100 |
We are currently at $57.8 million if Tay gets 9 million per year next season. Below is a link to the current Pistons salaries (this does not show Prince's salary for next season). That is $57.8 million for 11 guys plus at least 10 million for Big Ben. So that makes it $68 million (rounding) for 12 players...knowing that you are going to spend a little more change ($1 million) for three guys to complete the 15 man roster. I agree it would be sad if the team believes Darko will develop into a good player but trades him anyway to avoid the luxury tax. Finally, are you worried about Hunter because of the injury thing? If he is over that then I do not worry about getting rid of Arroyo. http://www.hoopshype.com/salar ies/detroit.htm | ||
Detroiternthemist Member Username: Detroiternthemist Post Number: 5 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.73.202.67 |
Darko and Arroyo for Cato/1st round pick w/o protection to trade to Toronto for Mike James. With Cato coming off the books next year you can possibly keep James.......Ben and Chauncey for that run at a few more championships. | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 576 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 66.227.165.194 |
I like Arroyo, I was not aware that he was a problem. His defence is adequete, and he knows to pass the ball without turning it over. Plus, he looks good from a team chemistry standpoint. Al Harrington is a player but he would have killed chemistry. He likes to have the ball too much. | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 577 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 66.227.165.194 |
Its official. Just watched it on ESPN. The pick is protected for the 2006 and 2007 draft, Pistons only get it if its greater than 5. Arroyo and Darko are gone, in comes Cato. |
