  Mw2gs Member Username: Mw2gs Post Number: 142 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 70.229.41.55 |
Detroit would be the perfect locale. We already have the facilities in place. We have a strategic international location. Imagine soccer at the big house....baseball finals at Tiger Stadium....basketball finals at Ford Field....hockey finals at the Joe or Olympia. Detroit is the perfect location. Oh yeah...we need mass transit | ||
Wilus1mj Member Username: Wilus1mj Post Number: 29 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 216.111.89.3 |
Hockey during the summer olympics??? | ||
Mw2gs Member Username: Mw2gs Post Number: 143 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 70.229.41.55 |
Oh...my bad....hockey is winter.....Guess I got a lil too excited about the possibilities | ||
Mw2gs Member Username: Mw2gs Post Number: 144 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 70.229.41.55 |
How about equestrian on Belle Isle....but where would track & field be located? | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2456 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Track adn field = WSU Baseball = Tiger stadium, WSU, CoPa Soccer = Ford Field, Silverdome | ||
Gumby Member Username: Gumby Post Number: 859 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 141.216.1.4 |
How about track and field at Ford Field and Basketball at Cobo or the Joe. Not gonna happen anytime soon though. Didn't Detroit bid for the 68 olympics? | ||
Bob Member Username: Bob Post Number: 750 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
Tiger Stadium will be long torn down by the time anyone thinks about the Olympics in Detroit. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 489 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.10.63.140 |
yes, Detroit was the US finalist in 68, also made a bid in 64 | ||
Detroiternthemist Member Username: Detroiternthemist Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 64.118.149.50 |
Funny thing up until 1972 Detroit placed bids on both Winter and Summer Olympics every 4 years. http://www.gamesbids.com/engli sh/archives/past.shtml | ||
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa Post Number: 175 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 198.103.184.76 |
The next summer games up for grabs are the 2016 games. The United States (at least North America) is due for the 2016 games as by 2016 it would be 20 years between the US hosting the games. From what I understand, 20 years is a long time for the US not to have the summer games – especially with the US Networks are one of the IOC’s biggest contributors (and time zones being everything for ratings). LA 1984 … Atlanta 1996 Sydney 2000 Athens 2004 Beijing 2008 London 2012 ??? 2016 | ||
Wilus1mj Member Username: Wilus1mj Post Number: 30 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 216.111.89.3 |
Track and field would need a larger arena than available at Wayne State (Windsor has the best one outside of Eastern Michigan/U of M). | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2457 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Plus that will be plenty of time for the rest of the world to forgive us for Bush...  | ||
Mw2gs Member Username: Mw2gs Post Number: 145 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 70.229.41.55 |
I wonder if Detroit and Windsor can join forces to hold the summer games as one North American location...now that would be sweet | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
Swimming and lifesaving events could be held in the Detroit River. | ||
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa Post Number: 176 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 198.103.184.76 |
Mw2gs: I think Detroit would need to join with Windsor to capture the American bid. A Detroit-Windsor bid would be unique, international, and could get money from governments of Detroit/Metro Detroit, Michigan, the United States, Windsor/Essex, Ontario and Canada. Toronto put a decent bid in for the 2008 Summer games and Vancouver is hosting the 2010 Winter games. The Canadian government was going to (Toronto) or is (Vancouver) partially funding these games. It would have to kick in serious money to a Detroit-Windsor games. | ||
Rosedaleken Member Username: Rosedaleken Post Number: 130 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.43.125.146 |
Detroit would need every second between now and 2016 to get ready. Still, would it even be worth it? Athens has constructed buildings that now sit unused and cost tons of money to maintain. I don't see how we ever made a competitive bid without public trans in the past, but if we wouldn't have to build any other buildings it might be worth it. | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 392 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.215.30.34 |
When Atlanta hosted the Olympics in 1996, I was there to witness a number of the positive effects. Bad neighborhoods were cleaned up and as of today, still look way better than they were pre-Olympic days. The Southeast Michigan region, along with the colleges and universities in the area, need to be part of the Olympic bid because Detroit can't do it alone. Facilities from Wayne State, Detroit-Mercy, Eastern Mich, UM-Ann Arbor, UM-Dearborn, and etc. will need to be utilized for the variety of events occurring simultaneously. I have been to some of the cities that have hosted the Olympics in the past, have lived in a few as well ..... Detroit CAN make it happen. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 1191 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 141.213.173.94 |
The race riots probably didn't help our 1968 chances. I could definitly see a Detroit-Windsor-Ann Arbor set of venues working together to create some awesome Olympics. But, unless we go all out for the bid itself, we're not not going to have the large outdoor stadium that is neccesary (unless you want the opening and closing ceremonies at the Big House...and no CoPa is not big enough for opening/closing ceremonies). Ford Field should have a retractable roof...then we'd be set. But think about it, most Olympic cities build or update something special just to get the games...usually it's a huge open air venue for the ceremonies and track and field events. This could be the biggest pipe dream of all time, but I guess some people said that about the Super Bowl coming to downtown Detroit. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 1192 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 141.213.173.94 |
Yup and we'd need Detroit-A2 high speed mass transit and another border crossing probably. Just imagine Detroit building another new stadium.... | ||
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa Post Number: 178 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 198.103.184.76 |
Judging from Mayor Francis' reaction to the Superbowl, Windsor would likely be on board. | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 393 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.215.30.34 |
Mackinaw is right, the opening and closing ceremonies will absolutely need a huge and modern stadium. The Big House fits the capacity criterion and if some money can be pumped in to upgrade the site ..... I am sure no UM alumni or students will ever complain. I believe as much of a pipe dream that it is ..... it CAN be done if the right people are put together and cooperation can be forged. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 3680 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.238 |
Detroit will get next bid for the Summer Olympics by the year 2048. | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 1027 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131 |
One picture says it all!!!!!!  WSU Kinda makes you get goose flesh. It must have been taken in the very early '60s | ||
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa Post Number: 182 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 198.103.184.76 |
Check out the link below. Two items of interest: 1) the unwritten convention that the States gets the summer games every 20 years (2016 being the 20 year mark), and 2) Detroit listed as a possible bidder for the 2016 games (biggest knock against Detroit is the transit system, however we know that transit would be promised -- and required -- as a condition for Detroit getting the games). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2 016_Summer_Olympics Also http://www.gamesbids.com/engli sh/bids/2016.shtml lists the deadlines for making bids to host the 2016 summer games. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2461 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
interesting.... Now how credible is that? | ||
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa Post Number: 183 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 198.103.184.76 |
I am never sure how credible wikipedia is, but I know the unwritten convention is fairly credible -- the mass media have talked about it for years. What is true is that NBC's ratings for the games are always best when the games are in the United States. Also the IOC relies on US television fees. | ||
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa Post Number: 190 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 70.28.0.156 |
Note the last line below re: the only new construction required would be a main stadium, and Olympic village, and (not in the last line) better transit. An Olympic village would provide new residential construction and the games would be a good excuse to significantly improve transit. What if Windsor's (Canada's) contribution was to build the stadium (although I think the main stadium belongs in Detroit)? Remember, part of the (new cleaned up) bid process is sucking up to the IOC and telling the IOC why the city needs the games. Detroit could make a good case that the games would really help the city and the region. From wikipedia: Detroit and the 2016 Summer Olympic Games Detroit was a finalist in seven previous Summer Olympic bids (1944-3rd, 1952-5th, 1956-4th, 1960-3rd, 1964-2nd, 1968-2nd and 1972-4th), more than any other city that has not yet hosted. Local media reports suggest Detroit officials are considering a bid for either a Winter (downhill skiing would have to be held elsewhere, severely limiting a potential Winter Games bid) or a Summer Games with the Summer Games sharing venues with neighboring Windsor, Ontario, Canada. Detroit has witnessed a rebuilding of the once-crumbling infrastructure of its downtown region in recent years, and has been awarded major sporting events such as Super Bowl XL, the 2003 Ryder Cup and the 2009 NCAA Final Four. However, if the bid were sucessful, it would be the first time that two countries have jointly hosted the games. The only possible problem relating to a Detroit bid would be the lack of a public transit system in the city. However, this is not the first city to face these problems, both Athens, Greece and Torino, Italy built new public transportation networks for their Olympic Games. Other than the transportation issue, Detroit could host the Summer Games with little new construction. Detroit already has a large number of venues that could be used to host the games. Including Joe Louis Arena, Cobo Hall, The Palace of Auburn Hills, and Comerica Park. The only new construction that would be required would be a main stadium (for use in track and field and the opening and closing cermonies) and an Olympic village. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9889 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
Jeb Bush will likely be president by then, so fear not. | ||
Lghart Member Username: Lghart Post Number: 93 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 24.90.243.145 |
I honestly think given the nature of Detroit being one of the great sports cities(always in the top3 or 4) in the USA we should go for it someday. That being said to do a real bid we would need to have the following well under way(independent of any bid) in my opionion: 90% of all empty buildings in CBD under development and some new infill occurring, legitimate amount of shopping in contiguous sections of downtown(think 20-30 stores on Washington and 20-30 stores on Woodward at least) with bars/restaurants intermixed, proven regional bus service with an express service and plans for mass transit via rail, rail service from/to airport to downtown, probably at least another 2000-5000 hotel rooms downtown, city fiscal security, expanded convention center, new tunnel/bridge to Canada, crime decrease or 30%+, stable and increasing population, etc. That said I think a 15-20 year timeframe is more realistic, but very reasonable and possible given the state, region, private entities start cooperating a la the SB XL efforts. | ||
Dan Member Username: Dan Post Number: 1177 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.47.194.247 |
By 2016 we will have a new hockey arena to boot. | ||
Dtwphoenix Member Username: Dtwphoenix Post Number: 42 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 63.163.143.242 |
It seems like there could be lasting improvements from hosting a games, with little cost in venue construction. Lasting Improvements for games: -Regional cooperation needed to put a bid together. -Metro area mass transit -Delray/Zug international bridge -Cobo to Fort Wayne riverfront park. -Fort Wayne reopening -International Gondola. -Olympic Village. (riverfront development? large increase in dorms for Wayne State?) White elephants needed to be kept around until the games: -old Joe -Silverdome -Ford Auditorium White elephants that will be around after the games: -Windsor Olympic Stadium (even if downsized after the games). This would need to be in Windsor/Canada so that there would be a sufficient number of events held in Canada. That way the Olympics would truly be hosted bi-nationally, and it wouldn't look like the US somehow used Windsor/Canada to get themselves the Olympics. New Venues that could be in place before games: -new Joe -Tiger stadium mixed use renovation w/ 6000 seat field -UA renovation (possible...) -National theatre renovation (possible...) Possible event locations: Track and Field: Windsor Olympic Stadium Swimming: Big House (temp pool as has been done with national championships before.) Water Polo: Canham Natatorium Ann Arbor Diving: Canham? probably not enough seating Baseball: UofM, EMU, Comerica Softball: Tiger Stadium, Wayne State Soccer: Silverdome, EMU Stadium Rowing,Canoeing: Ford Lake? Belle Isle? Track Cycling: New Facility, Windsor? Triathlon,Marathon,Walking,Cyc ling: streets around Windsor Equestrian: new facility in the OC Gymnastics: Ford Field Field Hockey: Wayne State Fooball, HS Football stadiums? Sailing: St. Claire Tennis: UofM tennis facility, w/Crisler Arena as center court Free venues: old Joe, new Joe, Cobo Arena, Cobo Hall, Palace, Yost, Compuware in Plymouth, UA, Fox, EMU Bowen Fieldhouse Sports w/o venues: Archery Badminton Basketball Boxing Fencing Handball Judo Shooting Table Tennis Taekwondo Volleyball Weightlifting Wrestling | ||
Sharmaal Member Username: Sharmaal Post Number: 709 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 69.14.76.187 |
Baseball: UofM, EMU, Comerica Softball: Tiger Stadium, Wayne State Those are done for. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 270 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
Well, ain't gonna happen; the money is just not there. But, damn, a Detroit/Windsor Olympics would be unique and a great draw. | ||
Harsensis Member Username: Harsensis Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 216.48.38.66 |
It would be nice to see the International Gondola concept alive again. Maybe an Olympic push would be enough to finally get a mass transit system in. Is it normal for the Olympics to be spread out so far Pontiac, Ann Arbor, Detroit and Windsor? I don't follow it enough to know if that is normal. | ||
Sharmaal Member Username: Sharmaal Post Number: 712 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 69.14.76.187 |
I remember hearing at the Lillehamer(sp) Olympics there was a pretty long bus ride to the mountains. | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 1034 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131 |
The Montreal Olympics cost a fortune, They are just NOW finishing paying off the debt. 30 years latter. http://www.dailyreckoning.com/ Featured/BeyondtheGold.html "Montreal's Olympic stadium was finally completed in 1987...eleven years after the event. The final Montreal debt payment will be made in 2005-2006." "Certainly, the Olympics can't insulate local property from wider market influences either. The Barcelona games in 1992 led to the complete redevelopment of the city's waterfront. Yet despite an estimated $16.6 billion dollars of investment generated by the Olympics, the city still suffered from the economic downturn suffered by the rest of Europe in the early 1990s." | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 217 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 69.212.35.21 |
The simple fact that Atlanta (of all places) got the '96 games says all that we need to hear. I say we go for it. | ||
Kookie Member Username: Kookie Post Number: 96 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 164.67.233.120 |
The US bid for '16 is going to LA or Philly. Detroit isn't going to get it, heck who would pay or even play in the new stadium that would have to be built? | ||
Steelworker Member Username: Steelworker Post Number: 582 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 68.250.2.39 |
This debate is retarded. I keep reading it though for fantasy/imagination food. |
