  Dsmith Member Username: Dsmith Post Number: 82 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.41.202.23 |
Edited for new link: http://www.bangcartoon.com/popupCartoon.php?movie=2005archive/detroit.swf (Message edited by dsmith on January 27, 2006) | ||
Mcpd1300 Member Username: Mcpd1300 Post Number: 36 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.42.174.123 |
horrible! not only offensive to the City of Detroit, but offensive racially and culturally... | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 450 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.8.154.239 |
bad link bump later - naturalsister | ||
Rrl Member Username: Rrl Post Number: 444 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 71.213.227.199 |
I've gotta admit the Matt Millen character at the end did make me laugh tho. The rest, eh, typical BS. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2360 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Yeah I wasn't able to pull it up as well... | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 451 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.8.154.239 |
I can't get it to open in IE or FireFox. later - naturalsister | ||
Dsmith Member Username: Dsmith Post Number: 83 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.41.202.23 |
Thats weird, it worked a minute ago. Here is a new one: http://www.bangcartoon.com/pop upCartoon.php?movie=2005archiv e/detroit.swf | ||
Rrl Member Username: Rrl Post Number: 445 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 71.213.227.199 |
Just go to the bangcartoon.com address, its the first window at the top of the home page. | ||
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster Post Number: 1360 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.250.205.35 |
Man that was boring. | ||
Rms Member Username: Rms Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 141.211.114.43 |
Like watching paint dry. I kept waiting to laugh. It's over. It's over! I want those 4 minutes of my life back damn it. | ||
Alexei289 Member Username: Alexei289 Post Number: 1018 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.183.223 |
... wow, that wasnt even funny... | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2361 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Damn shame, and people wonder why we (both definitions of we) have the attitudes that we do? We get sick of ignorance and stupid shyt like this... | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2362 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
And we all know that it was someone from the area that did that... | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 310 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 35.11.158.84 |
The Millen part was funny, but otherwise it was just dumb | ||
Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine Post Number: 106 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 141.213.196.136 |
Those were some amazing rowhouses in the animation. I wish we had some of those to renovate and build up city density. Otherwise, besides the obvious Detroit bullshit they threw in, they got pretty racial in parts. I found it in bad taste. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 949 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 136.1.1.33 |
Not just unfunny, but tedious. | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 241 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.167.23 |
hmm wonder if the creator is white... hmm wonder if he's been downtown in the last 10 years... | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 941 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131 |
Stupid. the work of a feeble mind. | ||
Rrl Member Username: Rrl Post Number: 448 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 71.213.227.199 |
Dstylin- not sure about the creator coming from this area. The site is hosted by Bay Media Services in Maryland. The site is copyrighted by a turd named John Tayman who is affiliated with a site called ExtremeSkins.com, a redskins forum/blog. Someone from this area... I doubt it. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2364 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
I dont know I guess I was just looking at the footage, but then again some of that stuff don't seem native to the area. It doesn't take from the fact that the cartoon was fould from jump anyway... | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2365 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Well I sen this out to a few news agencies, with a very strongly worder email of concern...I wonder how much press coverage will this get? | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 942 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131 |
I doubt it will do any good, but here is a site to send email to the NFL. http://www.nfl.com/help/emailt ech I sent them a email complaining about that crap cartoon. | ||
Rrl Member Username: Rrl Post Number: 450 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 71.213.227.199 |
Doubt it will do any good either. If you look around the web a little, this douchebag has been making offensive cartoons for years. Like most bad rashes, ignore it and it will go away. | ||
Atl_runner Member Username: Atl_runner Post Number: 1798 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.209.118.72 |
Humor was non existant and the T-Shirt girl was hideous. Failure from start to finish. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2367 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Here's the little asshole's collection here: *note the disclaimer http://www.footballguys.com/04 bangcartoons.htm | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 190 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.18.137 |
So let me get this straight - you sent an e-mail complaining about the cartoon to people who had nothing to do with making it? Makes total sense, as usual. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2368 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Hockey shut the fuck up if you can't infer what I was getting at... <<agrees with Ras alot on how alot of you all think sometimes for real due to your own postings. I emailed some news stations to REPORT this particular event so they can BRING LIGHT to what some many people feel don't exist anymore. That's what news people do..report and inform right? Dumb ass | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 943 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131 |
Damm straight, If by using the Steelers logo its an infringement, his ass will get popped.  The NFL is very protective of their trademarks. | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 191 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.18.137 |
Yes, news people jump when some dipshit from an internet forum mails them an equally stupid link. I'm sure it'll be on the Detroit News' front page tomorrow. You are truly a treasure. Keep up the good work. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2371 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
<<<has come to terms with the fact that some people are just naturally stupid and choose to remain that way... You go Hockey, keep up the good work... | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 842 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.122.204 |
Man, that was boring. Not one bit of it was funny. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 143 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
If nobody complains, maybe, say, 5,000 would view it. A few good-intentioned, but naive, people complain, thereby giving it the free publicity it needs to propagate. Then, upwards of 5 million might take the time to view it. Brilliant! | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9823 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
I kept waiting for the humor, or at least somebody to get popped off. If they were gonna rip on the city they could have at least made it funny. | ||
Ddmoore54 Member Username: Ddmoore54 Post Number: 260 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.242.220.249 |
Arab street vendors?????? Where the hell have I been, you mean I've been missing out on doner kebab? | ||
Valkyrias Member Username: Valkyrias Post Number: 197 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.47.103.87 |
that was one of the most offensive things i have ever seen. i too want my 4 minutes back... | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 764 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.60.139.54 |
What garbage...I got as far as the bucket of chicken | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3107 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Just painful more than anything else. And just downright offensive, especially if you're one of the minorities portrayed in the clip. I'd really expect to see that on some white supremacists website to tell you the truth. On top of that, there wasn't much funny on a comedic level. | ||
Mthouston Member Username: Mthouston Post Number: 7 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.32.86.194 |
Yes, very boring. A Jib Jab wanna be. | ||
Ericdfan Member Username: Ericdfan Post Number: 90 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 68.41.117.60 |
That had to have been the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Its ppl like that who breed ignorance and racism. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1424 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.231.238 |
Jerome Bettis eating a bucket of KFC has nothing to do with his girth, but has everything to do with racist steoreotypes of African Americans. I wonder how Jerome Bettis would feel if he saw how he is depicted in this cartoon? How would arabs feel about the way they are depicted in this cartoon? This effort at humor was in very bad taste. The creator needs to apologize to Jerome Bettis, the City of Detroit, and all arabs in our area. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3109 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Why not find out? I say we send this to all of the local papers and news media to see the kind of commotion they could stir up. They'd love to rip this apart. I'll shoot the News and Free Press a letter. | ||
Wmuchris Member Username: Wmuchris Post Number: 158 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.51.137.10 |
At least the T-Shirt Girl was hot. NOT | ||
Ericdfan Member Username: Ericdfan Post Number: 91 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 68.41.117.60 |
I think she was meant to be unattractive...as part of the joke maybe? lol I don't get it | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 487 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.246.5.196 |
Portraying a black guy eating a bucket of chicken, a black guy with a gun, Arabs babbing and fussing about their religious beliefs, and Detroit as a ghetto... that's about the most cleaver thing I think I've ever seen. | ||
Wmuchris Member Username: Wmuchris Post Number: 162 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.51.137.10 |
Whats next in their groundbreaking humor? How about we bring back the tried, tested and true stereotype of Polish people being stupid. That should go over real well around these parts. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 488 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.246.5.196 |
I'm sure arabs are used to being depicted this way. When you're a person of color in America you get accustomed to people thinking they know everything about you upon meeting you. This is nothing new. | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 311 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 35.11.158.84 |
Here's more of their work I gotta admit I got kick out of some of these http://www.bangcartoon.com/?pa ge_id=4 http://www.bangcartoon.com/pop upCartoon.php?movie=2005archiv e/xmas05.swf http://www.bangcartoon.com/pop upCartoon.php?movie=2004archiv e/mnf2.swf http://www.bangcartoon.com/pop upCartoon.php?movie=2005archiv e/72phins.swf http://www.bangcartoon.com/pop upCartoon.php?movie=2004archiv e/afcpreview.swf | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 146 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
IMO, Polish and Jewish jokes are frequently told by Poles and Jews, respectively. Especially by numerous Jewish stand-up comedians. These two groups don't seem offended by them. Other ethnic groups are probably more uptight. | ||
Wmuchris Member Username: Wmuchris Post Number: 164 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.51.137.10 |
True Livernois Yard, Yet there is a difference between making jokes as an insider vs an outsider. Otherwise, A black man eating fried chicken, the random black man carjacking, and the Muslim babbling are tired and played out. The whole cartoon was just...stupid. For lack of a better word. | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 452 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.169.65 |
Yes, stupid. later - naturalsister | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 149 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
I brought up the Polish bit in response to another post speaking on behalf on Poles. I feel that most of the Polish jokes would have long been dead and buried if it weren't for Poles retelling them again and again. I speak from long experience in this matter. I never remember even once any Polish pleading for Polish jokes to cease. Can't speak for any Jews, however. But Jewish comics of both sexes became rich and famous telling Jewish jokes and I still have not heard any criticism, except from those "goody-goody two-shoes types who seem to bend themselves backwards to show us how much they "care," ad nauseum. | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 946 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131 |
Ethnic humor is both passe' and boorish. Of course in the workplace it is illegal. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 150 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
Of course the cartoon was stupid. Two observations: (1) The site that hosts it can make $ out of it in a number of ways. Either by hitting the site(s) or buying T-shirts. (2) The worst thing to do if one doesn't like it is to give it any more free publicity. Some posters actually watched some others. That goes for the original poster. I would have never viewed it otherwise. By doing so, I probably generated a very small amount of revenue to that site - Common sense 101... | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 947 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131 |
I just hope that by useing the Steelers logo, the NFL demands they remove it.. of course it will just come back with the logo gone, but at least it caused some crap for them. | ||
Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine Post Number: 109 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 141.213.196.136 |
That site has a ton of coprighted material actually. Notice that background image of the city skyline is one of the most prominent images of the Detroit skyline on google images, but it is copyrighted, and it's posted on a site that generates revenue with advertising and T-shirt sales. If the creator didn't ask permission, it is illegal. Furthermore, as previously mentioned, there are the steelers logos on that site. I know the NFL would definitely not want to have their logos on a site that has the content we saw. If it was anything else, I'd let it go. People make stupid crap like this all the time, but when it comes to putting other people's content on a cartoon such as this, then there is an even better reason to make this a serious issue. | ||
Nellonfury Member Username: Nellonfury Post Number: 79 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 68.43.156.135 |
This flash movie kinda suck but I still love the Kwame Kilpatrick parody. | ||
Steelworker Member Username: Steelworker Post Number: 545 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 68.251.199.95 |
arab street vendors i want a doner rollo where are they | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6577 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.2.149.23 |
Who really cares. There are idiots and racists and people will forever bash the city. NOt worth getting worked up about. If his site were to go away it would be replaced by another with the same shit. | ||
Sharmaal Member Username: Sharmaal Post Number: 629 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 69.14.76.187 |
I haven't even finished watching this and I know these people are retarded. Effin bigots. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1391 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
Question: has anyone seen graffiti on the outside of a DDOT bus? I can't ever remember that. Ever. As to the rest of it, how many times can we say bigoted and racially offensive, stupid and boring, stereotypical and ignorant? Maybe the fact that we keep repeating these sentiments shows just how bad it really is. I just hope my Detroit neighbors or my Lebanese American friend never have to see this... | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 964 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131 |
Looks like I (we) may have gotten under someones skin. Got this email today and they invited me to post it and share it with you. email: You Retards Ok let me start off by saying this. YOU FUCKING RETARDS! First off, the joke about Jerome eating a bucket of chicken was FAT JOKE, not a racial joke, a FAT JOKE! Notice how fat he is. Second of all, it true that you have the largest murslim population in the US. The street vendor was just a JOKE! Thirdly, Matt Millin is a total retard, seriously the man doesn't know the first thing he's doing. And lastly about your precious city of Detroit, it true that you have some pretty shitty parts of the city, they are not saying that the entire city is total shit, it's just a JOKE! Plus they been to Detroit, so they should know. Now to all of you, learn to take a joke or kill yourselves! Go show that to all your stupid ass friends in the shitty forum of yours. gunnerv@comcast.net (Message edited by psip on January 29, 2006) | ||
Jjw Member Username: Jjw Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.33.56.156 |
the guy who wrote you missed the main point. the fact that the animation and writing were mundane and boring. if he is going to take the time to come up with something--he should do it right. i never laughed nor cracked a smile. it was BORING!! he keeps saying it was a joke--WHERE?????? | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1392 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
Wrote him an email. Got this back. Some of his points didn't even relate to what I said. Talk about defensive... "Boo Hoo. First off, the joke you call offensive was a fat joke,, i made a joke about a fat man with a bucket of chicen, YOU saw a black man with a bucket of chicken, so don't drop your problems and hang ups on me and then blame me for them. Do you want to know why I had Bettis eat chicken in that cartoon? Because he's fat, and fried chicken is a greasy, fatty, fast finger food that comes packaged in a bucket. Having him eat cheeseburgers the whole cartoon wouldn't have been as fun in my opinion. For the record, in our archives you'll find a cartoon we did way back on 2003 about Monday Night Football in which John Madden walks around with a bucket of chicken, eventually getting it stuck on his head.. I wonder,, would you have found THAT offensive too? Or is that ok, because John Madden isn't black? Is he allowed to be seen eating fried chicken without setting off your racist ignorance? Would you have seen that as a corny joke about his size, rather than his color? Is color all you see? Seriously, you couldn't be more off base with your racial comment, and frankly, i find it offensive that you imagine black people so sterotypically that if any of them is shown enjoying fried chicken, your small mind immediately conjures thoughts of racism. Secondly, I couldn't care less about my portrayal of Detroit. I'm not in the business of making nice. I am in the business of making smartass cartoons. In regards to black people with guns,, hey you're right,, that never happens, especially in Detroit, right? Good grief,, now we can't look at the actual world around us without being called names? Why is it if I depict a single carjacker as black, your racism again crops up and assumes i am making a statement about the entire race? Why do you have to notice nothing but color? Why cant he just be a carjacker? I suppose if i had made the carjacker Asian, you'd be ok with it? Ridiculous Again, keep your racism and hang ups to yourself. It's ridiculous that in this day and age that a cornball fat joke can't be made without some dumbass like you getting all up in arms over stereotypes that are DECADES out of date. However, thanks for watching. I do appreciate it. And I appreciate knowing our contact form is restricted,, we just launched the new version of the site, and kinks like that still have to be worked out. I wasn't aware of that one. Please, if nothing else, understand, that just knowing there's people like you out there who get their buttons so easily pushed is plenty incentive for me to keep doing it. I doubt that was the intent of your letter, but it's pretty much the result. Regards, John Tayman" | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1393 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
My reply... "So, you don't think your portrayal of the arab american reflects any kind of negative stereotype? You're saying blacks eating chicken isn't a racial stereotype? In fact you're saying just the opposite? I hadn't realized you were trying to be so high-minded and idealistic. Oh wait, you said it was a joke. Which is it?" Any reply from him will probably just go in the deleted bin without reading. This thread should probably die too. Not worth arguing about someone this silly. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3115 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
I say we clog his email inbox to high heaven with complaints. Maybe, just maybe, however slim, email after email may make him think twice before ever posting some crap like this. If not, it's still fulfilling to give 'em hell. lol | ||
Chachadoll Member Username: Chachadoll Post Number: 5 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 64.228.134.44 |
What do you expect from a site that has such a pig as their T-shirt girl? | ||
Vas Member Username: Vas Post Number: 479 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 24.180.76.186 |
wow thats a bad cartoon this guy doesn't need any email, he needs a new job because his is gone in 6 months. | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 973 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131 |
It appears that Mr. Tayman is so upset about our reaction to his caricature of Detroit and blatant racism; he has recorded an explanation of his deeds. I will not post the link to this dribble, but sufficed to say, it a repeat of what he wrote to Llyn. He fails to understand that if he wanted to make it a “fat” joke, as he claims, the black character would have been eating something different in each scene. But in his distorted world of reality, it most likely would have been a watermelon. He makes no reference to his Arab depictions or religious mockery. I will give $10.00 to anyone who can show that DDOT buses have any graffiti on them at all. Other cities can only dream of the clean buses Detroit has. Hopefully come Monday morning, the NFL attorneys will slap him around a little. Mission accomplished! Maybe he will have a few sleepless nights. This was not satire, it is bigotry. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1394 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
Got another email back from him today. I just glanced at it, recognized it as more of the same drivel, and canned it. It's a waste talking to him because he is so defensive and completely clueless. | ||
Amy_p Member Username: Amy_p Post Number: 616 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.21 |
I didn't listen to the audio -- maybe it explains why they're apparently in Windsor at the cartoon's start? | ||
Warriorfan Member Username: Warriorfan Post Number: 235 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 141.217.84.74 |
Bangcartoon has a forum where this cartoon is discussed, here is the link: http://www.bangcartoon.com/wp- forums/index.php?action=vthrea d&forum=3&topic=71 Detroityes is mentioned (although not by name) and they even link to it. There were several people in the thread who were defending Detroit's image. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1397 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
It's funny that they think we're so sold on ourselves. All the commentary from John and Co. seems to focus on the Bettis eating chicken thing, too. If it was just that, I would've probably given them the benefit of the doubt. Even making fun of the city.... used to it. But then there was the arab caricature... and what... there's not a pattern there? As far as criticism... they have no idea, do they? I think we should send Ras and company over there. Black-atcha! | ||
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch Post Number: 1342 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 208.44.117.10 |
Hey, at least the guy can spell ridiculous | ||
Track75 Member Username: Track75 Post Number: 2210 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.18.11 |
Congrats, outraged D-Yes'ers. WDIV is running a tease about this cartoon for their evening news. Whoever said local TV news wasn't full of hard-hitting investigations on the important issues of our time was soooooo wrong. | ||
Jimelnino Member Username: Jimelnino Post Number: 330 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.250.97.237 |
WDIV has its finger firmly on the pulse of the Metro Detroit area. I can't wait for that story to air, common response will probably be: "The who said what in the where now?" | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 977 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131 |
Behold the power of four | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2385 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Good that means that WDIV did get the email I sent them with the link... I sent them that link the day it was posted here. Was it Carmen Harlan breaking the news? | ||
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa Post Number: 157 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 198.103.184.76 |
Stupid video, but that graffiti-laden bus sure arrived in a hurry! Could the video contain a hidden message that Metro Detroiters should give up their cars and embrace Bus Rapid Transit??? Okay, probably not. Maybe I shouldn’t give credit where credit isn’t due…. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 496 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.246.5.196 |
Just saw the report on the news and apparently this asshole has never even been to Detroit. Big suprise right? He later went on to give this miserable attempt at an apology (sounding like a kid who got spanked, and was made to apologize to his sister for hitting her). | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 978 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131 |
The lead story on the 5:30 show! That says a lot about how important WDIV thought it was. Also, the piece was 3 min long. That’s eternity in the TV world. Well done DetroitYes forumers! Good find Dsmith. | ||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 398 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.216.97.101 |
Maybe I am just strange, but that didn't offend me at all. You know why? Because it is evident that whoever did this piece doesn't know jack shit about Detroit. The buildings....never seen them before. I can truly believe he has nvever been here before. I'm sorry people, but again I didn't find it offensive at all. Just some dumbass trying to get attention on the internet. | ||
Streetrailwaymusician Member Username: Streetrailwaymusician Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 24.192.40.224 |
Time to jump on my soapbox! It’s this kind of attitude that keeps these invisible borders in Detroit strong. The distasteful crap was just to "spark" some anger, for sure. It’s shameful and the creator obviously has no talent or artistic ability. Yuck. First of all I am White. I say that NOT because that makes me special, but because this cartoon also attempts to STEREOTYPE me! Anyone who even thought part of this cartoon was funny, PLEASE! know where I am coming from. The cartoon offends me as well as it should anyone who knows Detroit. I always attempt to receive everyone I encounter equal. Sadly at times we all have stereotypes in our head. For example I was on the east side of Detroit this Christmas season and I was having a little bit of a high stress day. This black gentleman was approaching my bus stop and in my head I thought.. “Great hes going to beg me for money”. He tipped his hat to me and said “Have a Blessed Christmas Sir”.. and I wished him the same and he carried on. How TERRIBLE I felt at that moment…he was just a nice guy. Why should I or anyone judge others… it’s not our job. I love Detroit. Simply put and "This cartoon pisses me off. It just enforces terrible stereotypes!!" I having been born in Detroit and then moved to a suburb, yet continuing to spend much time in Detroit, and work in Detroit amongst many different people HATE the stereotype that since I am white and in Detroit, "I MUST be a clueless privileged rich white suburbanite and out of place." In fact I am less offended if an African American says something that may be perceived "racial" to me, because likely they have encountered one of this stupid white suburbanites who are afraid to leave the comfort of their leather-seat SUV and Northville home. You see them speeding down to the casinos, looking around for dear life, clutching onto their purses and zooming out of the city as fast as they can after a sporting event. Some of these white suburbanite "sports-fans" really anger me to the extreme. I was waiting for my DDOT bus a few weeks ago on Michigan Ave when there was a game going on downtown, while some smart ass suburbanites were parking in my bus stop area are laughing about it. Because of this I MISSED my bus as they could not see me and had to resort to standing in a puddle of nasty slush since I was hidden behind all these jam packed SUVs. I called DPD and the nice Eddie Bauer edition SUV was TOWED. Also, VERY offended at the bus in this cartoon. I admit some DDOT coaches are in need of repair. However I have NEVER seen graffiti like that pictured. And the driver picture was likely suggestively unkind as well. Some of the bus drivers out there are the best people you will meet. One of my regular drivers always looks out for this one blind man, also keeps an eye on kids debarking in his mirrors and kneels to the curbs for seniors…I don’t need to continue and defend against the evil of this cartoon. Lastly, APPOLOGIES to the suburban sports fans who I stereotyoed. Im shure many of you do not make fun of the D, who come down and maybe have a drink at a local bar, give a fellow man in need a few bucks , or support a church or soup kitchen or just don’t spread the hate. There’s a lot of good people out there, but SCREW these STEREOTYPES. | ||
Streetrailwaymusician Member Username: Streetrailwaymusician Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 24.192.40.224 |
Bratt, I actually like your post better. Thats just the truth."Dont give this guy the attention he wants" Amen | ||
Warriorfan Member Username: Warriorfan Post Number: 236 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 68.43.81.191 |
All this attention will only serve to give his website tons of hits it wouldn't normally have, and put money in his pocket from the increased ad revenue. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 155 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
Warriorfan: "All this attention will only serve to give his website tons of hits it wouldn't normally have, and put money in his pocket from the increased ad revenue." This point has been brought up mucho X already. Some apparently let their rightous indignation befuddle their thought processes and keep complaining. If it were my site, I'd welcome all that free publicity... | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3121 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Is it any secret that you two would try to downplay or spin this that way? Why don't you two, in all of your logic, write the guy a good letter? Or is it not that serious enough an issue? Silence is usually the strongest affirmation of support. | ||
Sharmaal Member Username: Sharmaal Post Number: 644 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 69.14.76.187 |
http://info.detnews.com/superb owlblog/index.cfm?blogid=130 Someone saw us! | ||
Warriorfan Member Username: Warriorfan Post Number: 237 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 68.43.81.191 |
Um, we're not talking genocide or slavery here where silence can be construed as tacit approval, we're talking about an insignificant cartoon on an insignificant website. Ignoring it would have been the best option. When you acknowledge it, you only encourage more of the same, like when you acknowledge the misbehavior of an attention-seeking child. If your intention with this whole mess was to put more money in the creator's pocket and encourage him to make more cartoons about Detroit, well, you appear to have succeeded. The creator of the cartoon made comments on the bangcartoon forum to the effect the uproar that has resulted over this cartoon is just incentive for him to continue. His fans are egging him on to make more Detroit cartoons that are "10 times worse" specifically because of the backlash. The thing you have to understand about internet self-promoters is that any publicity is good publicity as long as it gets people to visit your site. Of course any and all are free to express to the author how they feel about his work, or vent about it here, but getting Channel 4 news involved wasn't a smart move, it played right into the hands of the cartoon's creator. | ||
Silverbeauty Member Username: Silverbeauty Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 69.133.93.33 |
That cartoon was very boring, and not funny. I did not watch the whole thing. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1401 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
I didn't promote his website. I wrote him an email. And I encourage everyone not to waste their time on watching the cartoon. And this guy is just waaaaaay too angry at the world. Besides, ad revenue from people coming from our site is just insignificant in terms of numbers. Probably could get a cup of cheap coffee, but certainly not a latte. Although this guy doesn't need any more caffeine. By the way, I would kindly disagree warriorfan. Just because it's not genocide or slavery doesn't make it - ignorable - in my mind. Nor does calling it a joke. I know you wouldn't take it to this extreme, but what if it was a "nigger joke"? I didn't like the cartoon and I have no problems saying so. I'm sure this guy had no realization of just how offensive it could be or he wouldn't have written it. At least I'd like to think that. I have no ill will towards him. But clearly he is also not a humble person. He'd rather defend his turf than consider the possibility that he might be wrong. I was hoping for the opposite reaction, but clearly that's not going to happen. Let him tell himself how "righteous" he is. He's like a cartoon fundamentalist. You're not going to change his mind anyhow. (Message edited by llyn on January 31, 2006) | ||
Warriorfan Member Username: Warriorfan Post Number: 239 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 141.217.173.125 |
I think there are times when calling someone out is the appropriate course of action. Take the Jimmy Kimmel controversy. There was a public uproar here in Detroit, and that forced Kimmel to apologize publicly. Not only that, but it was a driving factor in his decision to come here for a week to showcase the city and "mend fences." That was one example where speaking out was the smart thing for the city. This is not the case for this cartoon. The author is not a public figure. He will not apologize or remove the cartoon no matter how offensive it is or how much hate mail he gets. Such action will only serve to encourage him. You are right that the hits provided by this forum are insignificant, but the hits generated from the free advertising on Channel 4 (which millions of homes have access to) might be significant. I'm sure many people saw that broadcast and probably went to their computer to see for themselves what all the fuss was about, and as a result exposed themselves to material they might find offensive. If the author thinks similar cartoons about Detroit will be as "successful" he will make more of them. There are times when the best course of action is simply not to "feed the beast." Ask any parent of a two-year old, they will tell you that sometimes the best way to deal with a temper tantrum is to just ignore it, let the child learn that the behavior will not get him/her the attention they are seeking and when they figure out that it isn't working, they will stop. | ||
Little_birdie Member Username: Little_birdie Post Number: 21 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 66.167.59.7 |
It is interesting what a few emails with screen snaps will yeild went brought to the attention of companies whose logos get smeared in that racist trash. Want attention ignoramus? Here it is.
(Message edited by Little_Birdie on January 31, 2006) | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3125 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
And this...
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Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 164 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
Little_birdie: Sure looks like a form "letter" to me. Coca-Cola doesn't mind the free publicity either. Keep us informed when all that anticapated legal effort amounts to anything. My guess is that the complaint is filed away as deeply (and still sinking) as the 500th most-recent thread on this forum. | ||
Damon Member Username: Damon Post Number: 651 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 172.152.36.47 |
This is just pathetic. |
