Psip
Member Username: Psip
Post Number: 894 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 1:55 am: | |
This building is being looked at for renovations. Here are a few pix of it. LOC/WSU/UofM
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Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine
Post Number: 103 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 141.213.196.136
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 2:53 am: | |
.... when really renovations would be quite difficult. The interior structure is near failure. And this isn't like some M-L bullschitt. The building interior is seriously ready to collapse. This photo doesn't do justice. http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.g ne?id=87230762&size=l http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.g ne?id=40370873&context=set-506 760&size=l I walked through summer and found nearly everything slowly collapsing into the center of the building. We were really worried a wrong step could send an entire floor coming down. Best of the luck to the developer. (Message edited by wolverine on January 21, 2006) |
Psip
Member Username: Psip
Post Number: 895 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 3:01 am: | |
Thats sad to hear Wolverine. Yikes!!!! i just saw your pictures. This makes no sense, Illich wants to rehab 2 buildings that are falling apart, yet the UA which is in pretty good shape, he wants to unload. Then again, I don't make 1.5 billion a year. |
Huggybear Member Username: Huggybear
Post Number: 133 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 68.250.40.40
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 3:05 am: | |
How can I help you? I want more life, F-cker! Not an easy thing to do. Have you tried interior demolion combined with internal structure? We tried that, but the the subject collapsed before the metal beams were in place. How about facade stabilization combined with a new structure? We had setting and again there was a collapse. You were made as well as we could make you. But not to last? The candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as fast. And you have burned so brightly, Fine Arts. I have done... questionable things. But also wonderful things. Revel in your time. (Fade out to screams and the sound of interior collapse) |
Psip
Member Username: Psip
Post Number: 896 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 3:22 am: | |
Anyone have any idea when this building was built? it looks turn of the century. And with the construction techniques, it could be older. Could this be the oldest building left here? |
Toybreaker Member Username: Toybreaker
Post Number: 25 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 69.220.69.189
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 3:48 am: | |
Great pix Wolverine, thanks for letting us take a peek, I've never been inside there. |
Psip
Member Username: Psip
Post Number: 897 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 4:13 am: | |
http://www.detroityes.com/down town/34adams.htm |
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen
Post Number: 1126 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.122.57
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 10:23 am: | |
The Fine Arts Building was designed by Louis Kamper and opened in 1908. It was built for Hugo Scherer to accommodate the fine arts trade in Detroit. (Kamper had already designed a Lakeshore Drive house in Grosse Pointe for Scherer in 1898.) According to a Detroit Free Press article dated April 20, 1906, among the expected tenants were the George R. Angell Co with an art gallery for exhibitions, C.M. Hayes & Co. photographers, the Gies Art School, and the Vinton Co.'s decorative arts department. |
Huggybear Member Username: Huggybear
Post Number: 134 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 68.250.40.40
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 11:57 am: | |
Seriously, if it proves to be unrecoverable, it will be due to its inherent design - wood crossmembers. I know hindsight is 20/20 - but what was Louis Kamper smoking when he designed this - as far as I know, all-steel (or cement) was the norm, even for buildings of that size, by the late 19th century. Maybe the idea was soundproofing. Maybe it was cheaper that way. It's not fair to say that LK had to design a building whose interior structure needed to stand up to the elements - but even in the early 1900s he would have known about dry rot and termites - so he had to have known about *some* floor failure possibility. |
Aiw
Member Username: Aiw
Post Number: 5247 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.156.93.225
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 12:01 pm: | |
Here's a novel idea... Demolish to the rear, and build new behind the original facade..... Naaaah, why preserve continuity in the streetscape? |
Detroitduo Member Username: Detroitduo
Post Number: 445 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 84.156.21.58
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 12:51 pm: | |
Cost, my friend. That's what it all boils down to. With enough money, anything is possible. |
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto
Post Number: 1644 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 216.203.223.102
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 1:07 pm: | |
wow, great photos, W. How sad. Downtown LA has a similar building, also called the Fine Arts building, with a similar history, except that it was restored about 15 years ago. |
Sknutson
Member Username: Sknutson
Post Number: 420 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 64.139.1.36
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 2:29 pm: | |
I long for the days of Chop Houses with dancing. |
Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce
Post Number: 445 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 3:45 pm: | |
Saving the facade would be costly but well worth it if possible. I happened upon this example in Liverpool last year.
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Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce
Post Number: 446 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 3:46 pm: | |
sorry for the duplicates |
Aiw
Member Username: Aiw
Post Number: 5248 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.156.93.225
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 4:05 pm: | |
How about this parking garage going up in Ottawa? All the storefront facades are being preserved, and incorporated into the new construction. Sadly this requires vision, and the vast majority of residents around here don't care about this type of project, so devellopers don't propose/do it.
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Panson Member Username: Panson
Post Number: 772 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.12.116.204
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 4:22 pm: | |
I've got tons of pics of this in stuff in D.C. The church I attended - St. Matthew's Cathedral - saved the old facades of their adjacent 3 to 4 story townhomes without using temporary steel frame. They kept a small portion of the front of the building - 5' to 10', maybe - which supported the facade. Construction of a new concrete framed building went on behind it where the facade was then attached to the new structure. Minimal added cost there. Character of the block maintained, brand new Class A office space added, and St. Matthew's got some badly needed funds which were used the update the 100-yr old cathedral. Win, Win, and Win! |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1342 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.250.205.35
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 4:37 pm: | |
Hey wow, I used to live close to there Panson. When did this happen? |
Panson Member Username: Panson
Post Number: 774 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 152.163.100.8
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 6:13 pm: | |
During '03 & '04. Most were abandoned prior to construction. They look great, so does St. Matthew's. You can walk by them now and not even know they're "new". Ihave pics but I'm a tech retard and don't know how to shrink the file size. |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1343 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.250.205.35
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 8:06 pm: | |
Cool news. I don't think the market around there was strong enough to support a facade-saving construction project like that when I lived there (91-95). That area just blew my mind the last time I went back - it was cool before but now it's just so ... pulled together. Back in the day, 16th St was as far east as you went but now it's really luxe. Dabirch knows what I'm talking about. I guess it's just a testament to the restorative powers of gentrification! |
Mikem Member Username: Mikem
Post Number: 2316 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.43.15.105
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 8:39 pm: | |
San Francisco, for a new H&M:
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Eric Member Username: Eric
Post Number: 300 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 35.11.158.84
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 9:28 pm: | |
quote:Sadly this requires vision, and the vast majority of residents around here don't care about this type of project, so devellopers don't propose/do it
You're being little delusional here this isn't about vision it's about the marketplace. Developers don't do this out of a love of old buildings they becuase it makes economic sense. Now, Ilitch certainly has the money do this to the Fine Arts even if isn't profitable. But being businessman he his I don't see this happening so the real question is could a facadectomy project be profitable in Detroit? |
Andrew69 Member Username: Andrew69
Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 198.111.39.17
| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 11:44 pm: | |
In comparison to building a completely new building, when is saving a facade ever economical? I would think it's usually more of the result of a preservationist effort. |
Jasoncw Member Username: Jasoncw
Post Number: 87 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 148.61.248.29
| Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 1:02 am: | |
It would be cool if Greenfeild Village started buying the facades. It would never happen but it would be cool. |
Downtown_dave Member Username: Downtown_dave
Post Number: 51 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 63.77.247.130
| Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 12:08 pm: | |
Greenfield Village not too long ago purchased the old stables building on Belle Isle - built from sructure and architectural elements from Detroit's old public market on Cadillac Square. Their plan at one time was to create a farmers market facility in the village, akin to the building's origins. Siting and most likely economics seem to be issues preventing completion, but for now cast iron truss elements and other pieces are in storage. I'm sure they will figure it out. Facades for museums are great, but an economic use is needed - and better. |
Rsa Member Username: Rsa
Post Number: 759 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.227.207.84
| Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 12:29 pm: | |
rest assured, saving the facade with a new structure behind is under study right now. |
Mplsryan Member Username: Mplsryan
Post Number: 122 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 24.26.164.215
| Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 6:06 pm: | |
FAcade preservation in Minneapolis- http://www.lileks.com/mpls/tho rpe/merch4.html |