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Zulu_warrior
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn /page2/story?page=caple/060110 _nfl

Pretty interesting....
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Goat
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I would say Detroit should be #1...one playoff win since 1957. 'Nuff said.
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I was kinda suprised at some of the teams ranked around the Lions, I guess they weigh the acute misery of being a Vikings or Bills fan in seasons where they got sooo close similar to chronic misery of being a Lions, Saints or Cardinals fan. NO comparison IMO, I think most Lions fans would be estatic to have a superbowl loss to savor in their collective memories .... The misery of watching 'your' team lose the big one is mitigated in large part by the pleasure of watching the team play so well in the regular season and the playoffs. Compare that to regular season Lions performances game after game year after year decade after decade -- if you pay attention you can feel the serotonin levels drop in the crowd at these games, lol!

That said tho, I hafta agree the Browns rank # one since they lost their team under such ugly circumstances and it is SUCH a crazy NFL football mad town. pre-Ravens post-Colts Baltimore would have ranked high but they lost all sympathy when the stole the Browns and their superbowl victory is a terrific evidence that there is a devil ...
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Zulu_warrior
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All I can say is, That's why I'm a Cowboys Fan; last in the misery index...
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Rustic
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gee Zulu, I always figured Cowboys fandom (at least for those not in/from North Texas) was like driving a penis car ... ya know, compensation for not measuring up in some other aspect of one's life ... say it ain't so Zulu! ... lol!
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Skulker
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Wha??????

Huh???

sputter...sputter.....sputter

gasp

Tell me its not true Zulu!

All this time I had such respect for you and your posts and the banter back and forth about UM was good natured ribbing because deep down inside I can respect what UM has done and can respect their quality fans like you...

But...but....but a fan of the shiny panted Hollywood wannabes in Dallas?

I am crushed, disillusioned, at a loss for words....I have to now rethink the whole repect I had developed for you.....I....I...

wow....
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Atl_runner
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That's funny. Being a Cowboys fan is so generic. Unless your from Dallas, it's simply a matter of rooting for the same team everyone else roots for because they win. Thank god for parity. The best thing that ever happened to the any sports league, let alone the NFL.

That being said, if they could measure the true physical and emotional misery, I am certain the Lions would be number one. Reason: Cause we care. To the point of it being a fault. We would never have let the Lions leave like Cleveland did the Browns. It would have never got to that point.
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Zulu_warrior
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LOL @ Rustic
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Why I am a Cowboy fan
By Zulu Warrior

Reason Number One-
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The Black Cowboys


Without the services of the eight or nine thousand Negroes - a quarter of the total number of trail drivers - who during the generation after the Civil War helped to move herds up the cattle trails to shipping points, Indian reservations, and fattening grounds and who, between drives, worked on the ranches of Texas and Indian Territory, the cattle industry would have been seriously handicapped. For apart from their considerable numbers, many of them were especially well-qualified top hands, riders, ropers, and cooks. Of the comparatively few Negroes on the Northern Range, a good many were also men of conspicuous abilities who notably contributed to the industry in that region. These cowhands, in their turn, benefitted from their participation in the industry, even if not to the extent that they deserved. That a degree of discrimination and segregation existed in the cattle country should not obscure the fact that, during the halcyon days of the cattle range Negroes there frequently enjoyed greater opportunities for a dignified life than anywhere else in the United States. They worked, ate, slept, played, and on occasion fought, side by side with their white comrades, and their ability and courage won respect, even admiration. They were often paid the same wages as white cowboys and, in the case of certain horsebreakers, ropers, and cooks, occupied positions of considerable prestige. In a region and period characterized by violence, their lives were probably safer than they would have been in the Southern cotton regions where between 1,500 and 1,600 Negroes were lynched in two decades after 1882. The skilled and handy Negro probably had a more enjoyable, if rougher, existence as a cowhand than he would have had as a sharecropper or laborer. . . . Negro cowhands, to be sure, were not treated as “equals” except in the rude quasi-equality of the roundup, stampede, and river-crossing - where they were sometimes tacitly recognized even as superiors - but where else in post - Civil War America, at a time of the Negro nadir, did so many adult Negroes and whites attain even this degree of fraternity? The cow country was no utopia for Negroes, but it did demonstrate that under some circumstances and for at least brief periods white and black in significant numbers could live and work together on more equal terms than had been possible in the United States for two hundred years or would be possible again for nearly another century.

Almost totally missing from the traditional history of the American West is the role of the Black cowboy as well as other Black pioneers who traveled through and settled during the nineteenth century in the vast territory west of the Mississippi River that extended from the Rio Grande along the Mexico border northward to the Canadian border. Why was the Black cowboy overlooked? The answer is obvious. A deliberate exclusion by the historians, writers, artists, and photographers who apparently felt that certain ethnic groups were unworthy of being recorded in the history books despite their participation and contribution. The exclusion was extended into the twentieth century by the Hollywood producers (documentary and movies) who not only excluded them, but slanted and twisted the facts regarding the overall western scene.

First, let’s examine the definition of a cowboy and review the history of the Black Cowboy which began long before men with unusual skills worked with cattle across the vast grasslands and plains of the Western Frontier.

The New Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language defines Cowboy as “Boy who has charge of cows; a man who looks after cattle on a large stock farm and does his work on horseback.” Cowboy, cowgirl, and cowhand are defined in the New York Times Everyday Dictionary as “one who tends or herds cattle on a ranch.” These definitions are a far removed from what generally has been depicted in the movies and some documentaries. We saw men on horseback depicted as being cowboys robbing stagecoaches, entering the towns with guns blazing, and drunken bar fights. These incidents obviously took place, but the characters were mere hoodlums and outlaws and not cowboys. Many of the real-life legendary characters portrayed in the movies, good or bad guys, probably had never branded or roped cow or rode a cattle trail.

The Black cowboy’s life was hard, tedious, and lonely with very few luxuries, however, they lived a more dignified life and were not burdened with the constraints placed upon many Blacks throughout the country, especially those living in the South and trying to survive as sharecroppers and being subjected to harsh treatment during the emergence of the Jim Crow laws. They worked on the ranches herding and branding cattle. During the heyday of cattle drives, they rode the trails from Texas northward to grasslands or railheads on the plains. The real cowboys were black, white, brown, and red. They ate the same food; slept on the same ground; performed the same jobs; and were subjected to the same dangers. They rode out of Texas along the Chisholm, Western, Goodnight-Loving and other Trails in long cattle drives to Kansas, the Dakotas, Colorado, and Wyoming . Some were killed in stampedes, some froze to death or were overcome by the extreme summer temperatures, and some drowned. Some remained on the northern plains, others rode back south, and many stopped in towns along the way. The vast majority were honest and hard-working, however, some became outlaws and villains.

Unfortunately, years later, the true history of the West became a myth after the cowboys became folk heroes. History was replaced by fiction, and this fiction was perceived by millions of people to be fact. The Blacks were fenced out, except for an occasional subservient character. And practically all Mexicans and Americans Indians were negatively stereotyped and made into the “bad guys,” hoodlums, renegades or lazy and irresponsible.

The history of the Black cowboys began long before the establishment of large ranches with cattle grazing in the late nineteenth century. Gambia and some other African countries were known to be lands of large cattle herds with the natives possessing innate skills in controlling and managing the movement of the animals. They were not called cowboys at that time, but merely herders.

Throughout the slave trade, ranchers and farmers (slaveowners) with large herds of cattle in the lower south were attracted to this particular groups that had been captured in those African countries.

Once purchased prior to the Civil War, the slaves began to hunt and work cattle in the tall grass, pine barrens, and marshes of South Carolina and other sections of the Lower South in gangs on what was then called cattle plantations. A few were mounted, but most used dogs, bullwhips, and salt to manage cattle. The pine barrens extended westward through Georgia and northern Florida, the Gulf of Mexico, southern Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and into the grazing lands of southeast Texas. As more and more cattle farmers moved westward with their herds and slaves, more and more slaves escaped into the northern states of Mexico, between the Sierra Madres where the principal occupation was cattle and sheep raising. The ex-slaves swapped skills with the Vaqueros. They taught the Vaqueros the skills of controlling cattle, and the vaqueros taught the ex-slaves the skills of horseback riding and roping. From this group came some of the best cowboys to work the ranches in Texas, and to ride the cattle trail northward.

Another center of Black cowboys prior to the movements westward to Texas was in the savannahs of southern Florida. This group was made up mostly of black runaways from the plantations in Georgia and South Carolina into the Seminole Indian Nation. They became herdsmen on foot and horseback. Many in this group went to Oklahoma with the Seminoles, and subsequently with their leader, John Horse and the Seminole Chief Wild Cat, to Mexico where their skills were used in herding cattle as well as fighting with the Mexican army.

Probably the largest contingent of Black cowboys just prior to and immediately after the Civil War could be found in the wide coastal prairie of coarse grass, groves of trees, wooded creeks, and bayous along the Gulf below Houston, Texas from the Guadalupe River eastward to Louisiana.

After Emancipation and the Civil War, thousands of Blacks went to work on the ranches throughout south and west Texas, and subsequently rode the cattle trails northward. To name a few and one of the most famous was Bose Ikard. Born a slave in Mississippi in 1847, Bose was brought to Texas when he was five years old by the Ikard family. Growing up on the frontier, he learned to ride, rope and fight. These skills made him a valuable cowhand later. He rode with such cattlemen as Charles Goodnight, Oliver Loving, John Chisum and John Slaughter as they went north from Texas with thousands of cattle over deserts, through Apache, Sioux and Comanche Indian territory, army posts into the Wyoming ranges.

Another Black cowboy who rode the Goodnight-Loving Trail was Jim Fowler. He was assigned the worst job, that of shooting calves in the morning that had dropped during the night. (NOTE: Supposedly the story for the movie "Red River," an American Classic was based on the Goodnight-Loving Trail. However, not one Black cowboy was portrayed.)

Jim Perry was an all-around cowboy, cook and fiddler who worked on the XIT ranch. He once remarked: “If it weren’t for my damned old black face I’d have been boss of one of these divisions long ago.” Newt Clendenen was another well-known cowboy that worked on the XIT ranch.

“One Horse Charley” was the nickname of a noted black cowboy who rode with the Shoshone Indians.

Ben Hodges rode north in a cattle drive from Texas and stopped off at Dodge City, Kansas. A card cheat, fast-talking confidence man, and cattle thief, Ben was one of the few men who survived the wild and dangerous Dodge City. He died in 1929 and was buried in the Maple Grove Cemetery among many old-time cattlemen and cowboys. “We buried Ben there for a good reason,” one of his friends and pallbearers remarked. “We wanted him where they could keep an eye on him.”

There were many others, famous and not so famous, such as Nat Love, Jesse Stahl, Bill Pickett, Isom Dart, and thousand of others who rode away into the sunset following the heyday of the cattle trails. Most were known only by their first name or a nickname. Some drifted onto and worked on the ranches throughout the western frontier.

Of the estimated 35,000 cowboys that worked the ranches and rode the trails, between five and nine thousand or more was said to have been Black. They participated in almost all of the drives northward, and was assigned to every job except that of trail boss. One historian noted that there had been a few cattle drives where the entire crews were black except for the trail boss.

During the later years into the twentieth century Blas Payne was considered to be the finest cowboy ever to ride a horse in the Big Bend country of southwest Texas. Blas was the grandson of Trumpeter Issac Payne, Seminole-Negro Indian Scout, who was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. He worked on the Combs Ranch east of Alpine, Texas and, along with other cowboys became noted and respected for their horsemanship and livestock skills.

Fred Fay, whom I had the pleasure of meeting, resided in Brackettville, Texas and died recently was a cowboy, bronco-rider, sheep and goat herder. Former caretaker of the Seminole Indian Cemetery, he was born in Mexico of African, Mexican, and Seminole ancestry, and came to west Texas at a very young age. His father, Andrew Fay, was also a cowboy who worked on various ranches in southwest Texas for many years.
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The Cowboy figure represents the free Black Men who were apart of the original cowboys of the west.

The "rugged individualism' of the conservative base is really a throw back to these original 'cowboys' who were invariably Blacks or Vaqueros. Who has the penis envy?
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Skulker
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So you'll root for a team that misappropriates the legacy of the black cowboy? I would think you would root AGAINST them...

If ever there was a team that represented white privilege from Jerry Jones through The Helmet Haired One to Roger Staubauch to Troy Aikman to the Tuna, it is the Cowboys... they are the poster team for blond-haired, gleaming teeth white all American jock culture all the way down to the Dallas Cowgirls...

I don't get it....
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Rustic
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Zulu, :-) ... I'm sorry but yer cut and paste won't cut it ... there were/are Black Patriots, Black 49ers, Black Buccaneers, Black Saints and Black Texans too ... of all of them ya picked the H1-alpha of the NFL ...

(Message edited by rustic on January 11, 2006)
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Reason number two
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The Dallas Cowboys franchise is the most successful in the history of the National Football League. In their 40 years of existence, the Cowboys have 27 winning seasons (and 2 500 seasons), made the playoffs 26 times, won 18 division championships, and participated in eight of the 34 Super Bowls, winning 5 of them. Between 1966 and 1985, the Cowboys had 20 consecutive winning seasons. In the Super Bowl years (since 1966), the Dallas Cowboys have the best record of any football team as shown in the Summary of Franchise Records. Simply put, the road to the Super Bowl leads through Dallas. Some love the Cowboys, others don't. One thing is for sure--everyone has an opinion about the Cowboys.

The Cowboys have the nickname "America's Team." Every year another team reaches up and tries to claim this nickname. The Green Bay Packers are the latest, claiming they had the name first. Well, give Green Bay that nickname. Looking at the record of the Cowboys, perhaps Dallas should have Green Bay's other nickname, TITLETOWN.

http://www.geocities.com/~jrbeasley/dallas/start.htm.

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The Cowboys have a winning culture and maintain that tradition. They're just like U of M, The Leaders and the Best.
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a 911 with a stash of drugs (viagra and oxycontin) hidden beside the passenger seat "just in case" ...
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Zulu_warrior
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The various cowboys figure pale in comparion to Tom Landry, who I thought to be a better man than he was a coach.

The various other players who were Black that made the Cowboys Chanps are forgotten by Skulker, who were they?

Too Tall Jones, Tony Dorsett, Tony Hill, Drew Pearson, Mel Renfro, Don Perkins, Harvey Martin, Emmitt Smith, Ken Norton, Billy Joe Dupree, Calvin Hill,

Aaron Kyle (Who Came back to Detroit and made Cass Tech Football Champs)


Preston Pearson, Hershcel Walker, Charles Haley, Deion Sanders, Leon Lett, Darren Woodson

C'mon. Staubach is one of the best ever to play the position in College or in Pro, and a hard working QB when QB's were not pampered as they are now.

And of course, the only true "fair-haired' boy was WR Golden Richards. LOL!
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As far as I'm concerned, the Lions weren't ranked high enough on that index. I looked up the stats under their last 10 coaches (32 seasons, going back to Rick Forzano in 1974):

- 8 winning seasons, 4 at .500, 20 losing seasons
- one coach with a winning record (Gary Moeller at 4-3, Wayne Fontes is next at 66-67)
- record under Matt Millen's presidency is 21-59
- post season record, 1-8 (8 out of 32 seasons, including a 4-5 strike season)
- no NFC championship, so no visits to the Super Bowl
- season record over 32 seasons, 213-296-1 (.419)
- no head coach becomes a head coach of another NFL team after leaving the Lions (and I think every Lions head coach has benn fired, but I'm not sure)

I could add more but you get my point. The problem is the Fords, who have demonstrated their complete inability to select football coaching or management talent (or selecting it and then somehow ruinng it). That usually results in bad decisions in selecting players. So, I don't think it matters much who becomes the coach or who the Lions draft. The results won't be considerably better.

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