  Gogo Member Username: Gogo Post Number: 1154 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.20 |
Wasn't the Madison Lenox site to become a landscaped parking lot that served as a "gateway" to harmonie park. Driving by it yesterday I noticed the entire thing paved over with not a miniscule of space for any sort of landscaping. Go Figure! Ilitch is a boob and a liar! | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7991 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.71.65.66 |
Could be because it's winter and most landscaping takes place in the spring. | ||
Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine Post Number: 94 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 24.231.201.120 |
And rip up all that beautiful new asphault? Noooo! | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 318 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.10.63.140 |
It is a parking lot for Comerica Park. $20 a spot. Advertised in the parkin section of the season ticket package page on the tigers website. | ||
Gogo Member Username: Gogo Post Number: 1155 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.20 |
Goat - The entire thing is paved. No dirt "islands". No geography at all for future landscaping. Not that I'm at all surprised. Just wanted to point out that the Ilitches are dirty nasty liars. | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3335 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
The "Madison Lot" listed for season ticket holders is the lot located between Adams, Madison, Witherell and John R. It is not the site formerly occupied by the M-L. Gogo correctly points out that the paving and finishing on the M-L lot is not in compliance with City ordinances. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 320 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.10.63.140 |
Ohh... im sorry.. Saw the name and though it must have been the ML spot | ||
Erikd Member Username: Erikd Post Number: 481 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.214.106 |
That lot looks terrible. The vacant buildings looked much better than that nasty parking lot with the ugly view of the alley. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2955 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Knowing how controversial the whole demolition was, and the outcry from the preservation community, you'd think they'd at least be so humble as to follow through on what they promised. Audaciousness is not a trait lost on the Illitch's. Is there anyway to hold them accountable for violating ordinances/zoning? And, is it simply that the city doesn't have the interest or stomach to say anything (i.e. what seems to be business as usual in Detroit)? | ||
Johnnny5 Member Username: Johnnny5 Post Number: 123 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.61.55.140 |
Not to give any credit to the parking lot slum lords, but doing landscaping, planting, etc. is very difficult this time of year and they may have just set the lot up temporarily. Then again "temporary" in Detroit is a flexible term. | ||
Gdub Member Username: Gdub Post Number: 943 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.248.15.192 |
Not like it's a hot media issue or anything, but it might be worth a try to send a letter to editors at the papers. It seems like the only way to ever get a response from the teflon elite Macedonian parking cartel is to raise a stink on their local image. Maybe, just maybe, a well-written, to-the-point, concise and convincing letter might get printed by the brown-nosed and terminally blind Free Press or News. | ||
Erikd Member Username: Erikd Post Number: 482 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.214.106 |
The brand new, and fully landscaped, parking lot on Library street was just built a few weeks ago. The Opera House is currently installing landscaping and a decorative fence alont the parking lot RIGHT NEXT to the Madison Lenox lot. There is no excuse for this. | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 668 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 66.2.149.84 |
 A quick PS suitable for handing out at the M-L Memorial Parking Lot. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1711 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.150.234 |
How about sending a few nice photos to the National Trust. I'm sure they would love to publish pictures of the "non-compliance" parking lot that replaced the Madison-Lenox in their National Trust magazine! They did after all show the United Artists Building on the front cover of their magazine, and show the nation the Ilitch's slumlord behavior. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2956 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
LOL @ Gdub! I'm going to have to remember this description of the Illitch's: "teflon elite Macedonian parking cartel" | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 1507 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 129.9.163.233 |
If you thought the M_L deal ws bad, Just wait for the next Ilitch\Kilpatrick\Granholm deal to hit the news. If what I heard last night is true, The M-L is just first. And no it doesn't include a new stadium. Sounds like they're writing the demo justifications as I type this. | ||
Rrl Member Username: Rrl Post Number: 431 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 71.213.227.199 |
Care to elaborate NDavies? | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 1508 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 129.9.163.233 |
Not really. It's still just a rumor. Although my extremely reliable source said it was a done deal. | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 2609 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 136.181.195.17 |
Would it have anything to do with the special "clean up" funds allocated from the state to use in the vicinity of Ford Field? | ||
J_stone Member Username: J_stone Post Number: 254 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 63.77.247.130 |
They're tearing down Tiger Stadium!? The MCS!? Oh-Duh... The United Artist Right!? 1545 Leverette!!!?? | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1434 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.164.127 |
My sources say they are going to tear down Comerica Park and re-open Tiger Stadiums. | ||
Huggybear Member Username: Huggybear Post Number: 109 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 192.217.12.254 |
...build another identical playing field and rename the team Tigers! Tigers! | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 670 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.41.8.40 |
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Rsa Member Username: Rsa Post Number: 745 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.212.213.123 |
https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/50492/60463.html | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 1510 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 129.9.163.106 |
Not sure Hamtamck_steve. Were those clean-up funds in the neighorhood of $8 million. No stadiums past or present are involved. Only Ilitch properties. We already knew the UA was in it's final days. It's not the only empty building Ilitch owns in that neighborhood. | ||
J_stone Member Username: J_stone Post Number: 255 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 63.77.247.130 |
The fine arts? They wouldn't hit the G.A.R would they? Does he own that? | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 776 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131 |
J_stone  | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 673 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.41.8.40 |
The GAR is owned by the city. IIRC a condition of the deeding is that the city must make available retail storefronts on the ground floor, or something like that. It was in some book I read, but I can't recall which one right now. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 732 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 198.208.159.18 |
so what all does illitch own in the way of abandoned distressed properties? I don't know nearly enough about it to list em. process of elimination to figure it out? | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 435 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.176.123 |
What properties does Ilitch own? I think this has been listed before I couldn't find it in the archives. | ||
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve Post Number: 2610 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 136.181.195.17 |
Fine Arts/Adams Theater UA Detroit Building Blenheim Apartments NDavies, I do believe $8 million is the amount in question. | ||
J_stone Member Username: J_stone Post Number: 256 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.215.68.210 |
Ahh so it must be the Detroit Building! I think the building that will be knocked down for parking for the Lafayette is by far a greater loss. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 1513 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 129.9.163.233 |
Why do you keep thinking it's only 1 building JStone. I'd add the Vermont hotel to H_steves list. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1437 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.164.127 |
He owns the Fox. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1426 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 70.227.217.228 |
All I ask is that, this time around, they actually comply with the law. The UA could come down today, if they wanted it. As for the others, someone please point the Macedonian Parking Cartel this way -> http://legislature.mi.gov/(dgsy4d45vmqgn0f3tnkakkv4)/mileg.aspx?page=GetMCLDocument&objectname=mcl-Act-169-of-1970&queryid=12315306&highlight=local%20historic The law. It's not just for poor folks anymore. (Message edited by fnemecek on January 06, 2006) | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 1517 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 129.9.163.233 |
My question is, why are large chunks of taxpayer (state) money going to a multibillion dollar slumlord company to tear down their buildings? If they want to tear down their buildings, I'm OK with that. However, why are we paying for it? I don't see any new Jobs being created here. The minor tax gains are miniscule if these lots remain parking. They'll never return the money being spent on it. | ||
Erikd Member Username: Erikd Post Number: 484 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.214.106 |
Amen, Ndavies. | ||
Matt Member Username: Matt Post Number: 970 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 24.221.73.69 |
A little off topic here, but since we're talking about Ilitch-owned properties, did anyone else see the Fine Arts Theatre lit up before New Years Eve, with the marquee reading "New Years Policy Coming Soon"... "Dec 29 & 30" or something to that effect? Anyone know what that message meant? | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2961 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Ndavies, are you alluding to an entire take down of ALL Illitch-owned buildings in the Foxtown and Grand Circus Park districts? | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 1519 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.213.80.14 |
I was told at least 4 buildings. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 1520 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.213.80.14 |
The Fine arts theatre on Woodward is not owned by Ilitch. The Fine Arts building on Grand circus park is. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2964 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
And that's one building I feel comfortable in saying is beyond any pratical repair. It will probably become another lot for the Grand Park Centre, though my wish would be for a thin, residential high-rise to fill the gap back in. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1430 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 70.236.175.171 |
I have trouble believe that (although it is possible that I'm wrong). It cost $6.8 million to bring down the Statler alone. Granted, it's a large building with a number of engineering challenges around it. In order to bring the cost down to an average of no more than $2 million per building, it would have to be some of the smaller buildings. I can't see them including the UA in the mix and still getting that many other buildings down.
What? You haven't discovered the wonders of structural steel yet? It's amazing how many things you can prop up with that stuff. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2972 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Then, they better do it quick, and secure the facade. One wrong move could send the whole thing toppling down. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1717 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 207.69.139.154 |
The Cass-Adams building is also owned by the Ilitch's, although it is still occupied with MotorCity Casino training. But that will change when the casino expansion is completed. |
