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Bussey
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I was browsing around Google Earth and wondered what was the most desolate area of the city. The huge swaths of vacant land near the Grosse Pointe border , I think, took the prize. Anyone else have a particular section you feel is noteworthy?


As a resident of Midtown/Woodbridge now for three years it is amazing how much more abandoned Detroit seems from the aerial perspective. Walking, biking, and driving around can be so misleading.


What is really sad is when you have multiple tabs open on your browser with other cities blighted sections and they seem to be burgeoning with life compared to Detroit.


Detroit is the King of Urban Aberrations.

Alot can happen in 50 years
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Ddaydave
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thats funny I was looking at the same thing a week ago heres a couple of pictures the second one is in an area that is going to developed soon but in that area I had a buddy who lived off st cyril and he said every house was still on those blocks untill the crack epidemic in the early 80`s ..it became common practice that when a crack house moved in and it got raided a few times the neighbors burned it down right after a raid when the crack dealers where still in jail
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Alexei289
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you ever see the section Just north west of Downtown?

Granted the lower eastside may be the largest... everything on the south side of woodward to michigan ave extending about 2 miles north of the CBD is probably the emptyiest
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Lilpup
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quote:

Detroit is the King of Urban Aberrations.

Alot can happen in 50 years




IMHO it's wise to remember that even though the city's decline seems fast it's growth from 1902 - 1952 was even faster.
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Ddaydave
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I cant seem to get my pictures in the right format large enough to get a good few .. the one pic is at georgia and helen 42°23'36.84"N 83° 1'48.22"W and the other one is at gilbo and elgin 42°24'41.11"N
83° 1'2.87"W
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Ddaydave
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can someone please delete the 2nd post ..
I downloaded some photos in the wrong format.. everytime I try to delete it the website freezes up on me Thanks Dave
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Gistok
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One of the most barren was where MGM Grand Detroit Casino is being built. Glad to see that change.
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Ddaydave
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is mgm being built on the part of plum street I always hear the old hippies/beatnecks talking about ???
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Jams
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That's the place.

From the Detroit News' Rearview Mirror series:
http://info.detnews.com/histor y/story/index.cfm?id=136&categ ory=locations
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Ddaydave
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thanks jams ..looking at my google earth that is where the hippies hung out between forth and fifth on plum and it was all parking lot before mgm started building

(Message edited by ddaydave on December 30, 2005)
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Johnfromsaginaw
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If you take a look at the Southfield Freeway just south of McNichols, there's a Northwest 767 passing through bigger than all hell.
John
Surprised me no end when I spotted it. Happy New Year from Saginaw, everybody.
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Lmichigan
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The area just to the east of City Airport (CAY), North Corktown, and the Eastside just north of Jefferson next to the Grosse Pointes come to mind, where there are literally a few houses on entire city blocks.
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Ddaydave
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nice catch Johnfromsaginaw that is 2 funny
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Danny
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You all should go check out the Lodge Park neighborhood at the Detroit's NE side. Block by block of vacant lands. Like a urban prarie.
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Ddaydave
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Lmichigan funny you shoud say that when I have visitors from out of town I take them to detroit through grosse pointe and then cut through those neighborhoods and they can`t believe it ..from riches to rags within blocks
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Barnesfoto
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brightmoor.
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Ddaydave
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can you give me the cross streets Danny
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Ddaydave
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at kercheval and chalmers section it looks like something from out in the country with all the trails thru property people use
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Ddaydave
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delray is looking really thin in spots
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Ltorivia485
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Has anyone mentioned Southwest Detroit between Grand River, I-94 and Livernois? Now THAT'S BARREN.
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Motorcitymayor2026
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geez this is a depressing thread
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Bussey
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Thats Detroit - Depressing

I think thats why we all have a slight affinity for it. It is the only vestage of large scale, historically defined, urban living left in Michigan. Yet due to its large frame housing stock and low-density development, mostly all post 1920, you have these barren tracts.


Ideas like the New Urbanism and Contextualism are not proven to be better ways of living, that is all subjective. Walkability in neighborhoods creates esthetically pleasing developments, see Andres Duany, Elizabeth Plater-Zyberk and Jeff Speck for an explanation, yet is only great for that, Esthetics.

Detroit was once a city comprised of these esthically pleasing places. Looking at the remains, or "ruins", should not be depressing. Looking at what has replaced them should be.

I love looking at the abandonment in the city. I cringe looking at the plethora of new housing tracts being built in Macomb Twp and Canton.


Where are the Urban Growth Boundaries.

"Obscenity" - Jay Billington Bulworth
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Jenniferl
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The most abandoned part of Detroit I've been to personally was on the east side, somewhere near City Airport. I don't remember the exact location. I was driving around with my friend, her mom, her grandma, and her grandma's friend. We had to take the grandma's friend home, and her house was the only one still standing on that block. There was one other house across the street, which belonged to another elderly family friend. Everything else around there was urban prairie.

The area east for Woodward and north of 7 Mile is also quite sparse, but I heard they're building some sort of mega-church there now.
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Hornwrecker
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If you want to see Detroit change over the decades, do some searching here:

http://www.culma.wayne.edu/aer ial_photos/index.htm
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3420
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I usually don't post often, but this one I had to speak on.

I think the area where I am at is THEE MOST BARREN area in Detroit. Chene, McDougall, E.Palmer, E.Ferry, Moran, Theodore, East Grand Blvd. near the Detroit-Hamtramck GM plant and so on have to be the worst I have ever seen. The large masses of empty land and vacant homes are so so sad. As of now, the city has been coming through tearing down vacant homes for the last two weeks now.

I have been in this area all my life and still love the neighborhood and want to build me a home someday in the area. In the early 90's, this area was very diverse. There were Blacks, Whites, Polish, Germans, and Yugoslovians?(Don't know if I spelled it right)in this area. I remember when there were 9-10 houses per block, and now there may even be 4 or less or even 1 in many areas on a block.

What angers me is that when I see the mayor say they are building all these homes and he bragging during the election about all these homes that they are building, my question is where? Not in this area. The Chene area from the GM plant all the way to E. Warren down to Gratiot could be one of the best places for a new entertaniment district or future retail district. I just can't believe in just 10 years that this neighborhood has changed. If someone doesn't come through and build new homes, I'll be able to see the GM headquarters from my upstairs window.

Just take a drive in the area and see for yourself the devastation. See huge empty black where Northeastern once stood. Then look across the street and see the three homes that are left on a block. Then stroll on down Chene and see the many empty store fronts near the Arts & Science Academy. This has to stop and this is what makes me want to run for city council or even mayor in the next four years because no one seems to pay enough attention to the neighborhoods.
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Lmichigan
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Many new homes ARE being built, just not where you'd necessarily see any direct benefit from them, and not as fast and any of us would like. We should not forget that the city is still decidedly bleeding population. Things may get worse for some parts of the city before they get better.
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Alexei289
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which is why they really need to re look at distribution of services across certain parts of the city. I think in some ways that some parts of the city needs to be cut loose for the benefit of what the current population can support. If a neighborhood doesnt have the population to support services there, I think they should be vastly scaled down in terms of every level of city service, so that populated areas of the city can be properly funded and supported.
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Lmichigan
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As ridiculous as that may sound on the surface, I've always thought about that. You know, if in these extreme times within the city, it is right or proper to force people out of neighborhoods that no longer exist accept for a few dozen or so houses. It sounds so incredibly communisitic, though.
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Danny
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Ddaydave,

The Lodge Park ghettohood is at Miller Rd. between Mt. Elliot and Van Dyke.
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Boshna
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Yes Alexei. After the final residents "move", the city could convert the land into an urban farm, provide farming jobs and sell the produce for profit. They undoubtedly could attain some sort of federal grant for the project too. So socialist, yet so enticing! But remember Poletown. . .

Lmich, as for your comment about neighborhoods getting worse before they get better, I have often pondered this. Especially with all of the talk about the NEZ's, I fear for the solidly middle class neighborhoods that might not get the designation. Will the majority of Detroit's neighborhoods (save Palmer Woods, B-E, IV, etc) need to go through a period of mass abandonment and blight in order to receive reduced millage, and then recover? In a century, will Detroit be left with an area that never was a Harper and Van Dyke? Unless property taxes fall for the whole city, I fear that improvement in certain neighborhoods will come at the expense of others.
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Bussey
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Danny


Do you mean Miller St.?


Miller Rd is by Dearborn
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Lmichigan
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Boshna, there are already areas of the city that don't much exist anymore. Something is going to have to give, eventually, if he hasn't already in certain parts of the city. Can the city (and should it) serve 12 people living on a block originally designed for many times more people than that at the expense of other neighborhoods? The city is going to have to ask those hard questions. It already looks like they've made decisions in terms of lighting certain places over others. Now is the time the city will be forced to ponder what were once ridiculous conjectures and questions.
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Danny
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Bussey

Not Miller St. in Dearborn, Miller St. in Detroit. between Mt. Elloit and Van Dyke.
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Boshna
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Desperate times call for desperate measures. Higher millage=higher vacancy. Period.
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Dmb
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Their is a ton of vacant land south of 7 mile, between Gratiot and Hayes. Streets like Fordham and Eastwood have almost nothing left, especially west of Chalmers. To be honest I think it's better that way. That part of town was really rough. During the 80's and 90's my family's flooring business (just across Gratiot from said area) used to get broken into at least 5 times a year, now we haven't had one in nearly 7 years.
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Royce
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"Zero-density" neighborhoods was a concept suggested by the late Marie Farrell-Donaldson, who was a city omsbudsman(still don't know how you get to be one of these). She suggested that some entire neighborhoods be closed down in order to conserve city services like lighting and garbage pick-up.

Where my parents live, there used to be room for 50 houses on the block, 25 on each side. Now there are only seven houses on each side of the street, with one or two vacant ones on each side. Should my parents and the remaining neighbors on this block be forced to move so that the city can discontinue city services to save money? Tough call. From a sentimental point of view I would still want my parent's home and my boyhood home to remain, but from a practical point of view does it make sense to service 14 households on a block that once contained 50?

With no new in-fill housing planned or no major factory scheduled to fill up the land, what should the city do with neighborhoods that are over 50% vacant? Should the city hold out and pray that the people will return? Or should the city cut its losses and shut down services to these neighborhoods? The answer is not clear cut.

Unfortunately, Detroit continues to face problems that very few cities of its size have had to face. What to do with all the vacant land as a result of all the abandonment? Coming up with a solution to this question is like solving pi.

For most cities, people want to live in those cities because of jobs, vibrant neighborhoods, and good schools. How does Detroit attract new people and keep the old ones in light of the fact that there are few jobs, a high illiteracy rate, a high crime rate, poor public schools, poor city services, questionable leadership, terrible racial relations, no mass transit, and mostly cold weather? When Detroit solves these problems, Detroit will see better days, which is indeed a tall order.
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Danny
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Try to go down to E. Jefferson between Conner to Alter Rd. The ghettohood north of Jefferson all the way up to E. Warren has been totally blighted for 30 years, but a few new housing is being built. Those white-folks over by ( snobbyville) side had to protect their neighborhoods for the black problems comming from Detroit as they tried to cross Alter Rd. Most Grosse Pointe Park neighbors who lived on Wayburn st. behind the alley had installed fences and a mound blocking a couple street corners so black drivers don't make a right turn into their neighborhoods, but they must go through either Kercheval and Charlevoix to enter through their snobby communities. Back in those days after the 67 riots, the snobbyville police force would have to guard every last Detroit/ Grosse Pointe Park border so the looters and the drug pushers don't crossover. Now today everyone is free to crossover, but the area still remains demarcated.
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623kraw
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IMO, this is the largest urban prarie in the city of Detroit...

urban Prarie NUMERO UNO
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623kraw
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Danny was right on the money with this one...
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Bussey
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Demarcated Danny


like woah
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Hornwrecker
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Here is an aerial photo of the St Cyril area in 1961, about the same scale as the above map.

St Cyril aerial 1961

I've got the Detrot aerials from 49-61 on my computer, so if anybody has any requests, we can do before and afters, if you post the current images.
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Psip
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Revised:Google
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Hornwrecker
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Of course, now I remember Lowell has this posted on one of his pages

https://www.detroityes.com/webisode s/2004/13-UrbanPrairie/St-Cyri l.htm

Then there's this whole thread with lots of photos in the Detroit Memories section

https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/6790/9493.html?105777583 8
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Ddaydave
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In the area between St Cyril and Mt Elliot the owners where forced to sell there houses and property for some federaly funded project for new businesses a few years ago ..It was one of those what I believe they called brown zones .That area was like that even before everyone was forced out .. I had a buddy who lived on St Cyril and he had pictures of around 1980 where every house was still on those blocks ..thats when the crack epidemic came along destroyed the neighborhoods withing about 10 years most of those houses were gone ..I still havent seen any new signs of devolepment ..I felt bad for the people that went by the book trying to save there neighborhoods keeping up there houses thourgh crack fueled crime and then were forced out when they made it thourgh years of bad times..
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Jjaba
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3420, try using the word "Slovaks". That covers many people's from that area of Europe.
Your Bosnians in Hamtramck would be from that general area too.

Just as an observation, most of the devastation mentioned about Detroit disinvestment are Eastside. And the Eastside is much smaller than the Westside. Trust jjaba, there wasn't much there 50 yrs. ago either.

jjaba, Proudly Westside. (Tells it like it tis.)
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Livernoisyard
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Bosnia is nowhere near where the Slovaks live in Eastern Europe (north of Austria, near Germany). You apparently do not know the difference between the Slovaks and the Slovenians (once part of Yugoslavia), who live near where my grandparents emigrated from in that region where Slovenia, Austria, and Italy meet in the Kaernten Alps.
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Bussey
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Lets just use the great term "European"


Just like we use the term "African"


Note my sarcasm
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Ddaydave
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when I get in those barren areas I am amazed at how many pheasant I see ..I`ve seen 15-20 pheasant together at one time ..I see more pheasant in the city then I ever have out in the country .beautiful birds .. good eating to
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Hornwrecker
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I think that the pheasants came mostly from City Airport and the cemeteries. There was always a population of them existing there, and they were ready to take advantage of the the empty niche when people left. Plus, there are fewer packs of feral dogs running around keeping the population down, than there used to be.

If any larger tracts open up, maybe a few bison would add interest. Who needs a zoo.
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Jimaz
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Posted From: 68.2.191.57
Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 9:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In Google Earth, after checking the Google Earth Community layer, many "Urban Decay" placemarks appear at these places. (You may need to zoom in&out to see them.) Keep in mind the imagery can be 1 or 2 years old.

Someone's gratiously identified some WiFi hotspots too.

(Message edited by Jimaz on December 31, 2005)
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Gistok
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Post Number: 1695
Registered: 08-2004
Posted From: 4.229.9.112
Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 10:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Slovaks live in Slovakia (capital Bratislava), the eastern end of the former Czechoslovakia.

The Slovenians lived (as already mentioned) in Slovenia (capital Ljubljana)in what was northwestern former Yugoslavia.

I think what Jjaba meant to say was to refer them as Slavs.

Slavs are broken up into 3 main groups. The southern Slavs are found in Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro, Kosovo and Bulgaria. The northern Slavs are found in Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia. The eastern Slavs are in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.

Romanians and Hungarians are not Slavic people.
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Dodgemain
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Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 11:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This just proves that the "urban renewal" projects of the 1950's was a waste. It would have happened by itself. On those CULMA sites that Lowell provides it is interesting to watch the "progress" of Paradise Valley being destroyed for Lafayette park and I-375/75.
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623kraw
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Posted on Sunday, January 01, 2006 - 3:38 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Corner of Marcus and Helen circa 1950...

Filled to the gills

Corner of Marcus and Helen late 2003...

Welcome to the Urban Prarie
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Jenniferl
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Post Number: 220
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Posted on Sunday, January 01, 2006 - 9:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's really sad, Kraw. That whole block is totally gone.
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Treelock
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Post Number: 78
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I agree with 3420 that the whole Chene Street corridor north and west of Eastern Market is really unbelievable. Maybe not the most abandoned, but it's up there, and the remaining properties are generally not faring well at all.

That said, it's an amazing neighborhood filled with ghosts of history, like the long-abandoned Chene-Ferry Market. There's also an amazing outdoor church — really just a bunch of utility chairs in a circle on a vacant parcel with a wooden cross — on Frederick Street. 3420, did you ever make it to John's Carpet House in its day?
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Jenniferl
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The last time I drove through th Chene-Ferry neighborhood (about a year ago), I thought it might be an ideal candidate for a rebirth. There's lots of empty land for developers, plus some interesting old gems that just seem to be pleading for a rehab. And the location is close to the Cultural Center as well as Hamtramck and downtown. What's not to like about the place?
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Bussey
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Post Number: 128
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Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 12:48 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The incinerator looming in the near distance with its quite pungent smell.


I love Coleman Young's legacy
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Mackinaw
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Post Number: 1109
Registered: 02-2005
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Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 3:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah north of eastern market is the worst. Drive Warren from Mt. Elliot to St. Aubin. It never ceases to amaze me. This shows explicitly the empty space you get when a city built to hold around two million now holds under a million. SE Detroit near the Park border, especially south of Mack and along the Vernor and Charlevoix corridor (from the Chrysler plant to Alter esp.) is awful as well. Closer to Jefferson there are a ton of rough spots, but then some more codified middle class blocks that don't look too bad, like Chalmers.
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Hornwrecker
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Expect to start seeing wild turkeys in the urban prairie landscape soon. I had to slam on the brakes yesterday to avoid missing a large tom crossing 13 Mile near Van Dyke. As I passed it, it looked into my window and right at me with an evil glint in its eye. I think it must be living on the grounds of the GM Tech Center. These birds aren't like the complacent pheasants we're so accustomed to, but are quite aggressive, especially in large flocks. The damn thing was like a small emu.

Be afraid... be very afraid.
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Mackinaw
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Post Number: 1114
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Posted From: 141.213.173.94
Posted on Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 2:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It wouldn't suprise me if they move in to the far east side or near the Market. Although a flock that I see when I'm up near my namesake city aren't that aggressive, more skiddish and scared usually.
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Mackinaw
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Posted on Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 2:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Back to our discussion on barren areas of the city, though, does anyone have any idea why SE Detroit near the GP Park border is in such bad shape compared to far east Detroit along the northern border of GP Farms, City, and Park, where we have EE Village, and other decent sections in the v-shaped neighborhood between Warren and Mack and east of Cadieux? Does Mack avenue hold things together well? It's weird how closer to the river things get worse. I'm from near GP's northern edge by Mack and am impressed at how areas of Detroit near me have held it together fairly well.
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Observant2art
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Post Number: 169
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 209.104.139.161
Posted on Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 2:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What about the huge vacant area on Joy Road between Telegraph and Evergreen. Is that all of Rouge Park?

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