  Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6307 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.2.148.243 |
http://detroitnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20051229/M ETRO03/512290338/1014 Lofts remake Mount Clemens Official says development in downtown is another step in turning the city into a hot spot for the affluent. This struck me as humorous:
Loves downtowns, works in Detroit a stones throw from downtown .... moving to Mt. Clemens. | ||
Eric_c Member Username: Eric_c Post Number: 560 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.21.62.206 |
Whatever. Would you really want that goofy-looking broad as one of your neighbors? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ EVERYONE'S ATTENTION PLEASE! ERIC C. ABSOLUTELY DID NOT TYPE THIS CRASS MESSAGE!!! I LEFT THE SCREEN UP THIS MORNING AND WAS DISTRACTED BY A CUSTOMER. NOW, WHEN I FINALLY MADE IT BACK TO THE FORUM, IT BECAME APPARENT THAT ONE OF MY SMARMY C0-WORKERS HAD TYPED THIS MESSAGE AND USED MY 'REMEMBER MY PASSWORD' FEATURE TO SUBMIT THE POST!!! IN FACT, MY COMMENTS WERE GOING TO BE, "WHATEVER. IF SHE WANTS TO DRIVE ALL THAT WAY, SO BE IT." (Message edited by Eric C. on December 29, 2005) | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1477 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.41.54.160 |
She probably means downtowns that are not ghost towns after 5p and where she doesn't have to worry about her car being vandalized or stolen..........what an idiot. Eric I am curious how far of a jump is it from someone that is a "goofy looking broad" to someone who is black or asian or hispanic that you would "really want" as your neighbor? The pathetic thing is if she was moving to Detroit you would likely not have that response. It may come as a shock to some of you but other cities, small towns, suburbs, etc are moving forward with plans and ideas for their towns.They all read about the new "urbanism" and they find it attractive why shouldn't they have those things? | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6308 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.2.149.62 |
Hey CL - Again showing how ignorant you really are. Have you ever been to 'downtown' Mt. Clemems. Outside of Friday and Saturday night it is more dead than downtown Detroit. Again you just make yourself look foolish with how little you really know. | ||
Toolbox Member Username: Toolbox Post Number: 813 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.196.220.198 |
Eric_c I am going to give Trase your cell phone number, need to see if she is in today. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6309 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.2.149.62 |
Onemore point - I never called her an idiot or inferred she was. CL struggles with his comprehension once again. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7969 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.201.179 |
Jt1, what about the BS with cars being stolen and vandalized? Yes it happens in other towns and cities but not nearly as much as Detroit. Crime, still the major factor in the citys demise. | ||
Belleislerunner Member Username: Belleislerunner Post Number: 221 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.204.133.208 |
To back up Mt Clemen's pitch, albeit rent in Detroit is still affordable. From today's USA Today... http://www.usatoday.com/news/n ation/2005-12-28-young-moving_ x.htm | ||
Awfavre Member Username: Awfavre Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.3.206.177 |
Jtl, I think CL was referring to Eric_c's comments. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6310 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.2.149.62 |
Goat - I agree that is an issue and Detroit desperately needs to work on it. Ease up people, I was laughing about hte fact that she wants a downtown and chose MC. I don;t know if you guys have ever been there but MCs downtown is by no means a downtown. It is probably equivalent in number of business to Greektown. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1478 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.41.54.160 |
Nothing wrong with my comprehension jt1, inferences are made based on the tenor of a post(yours). Bir it has been a while since I was in Mt Clemens but I am willing to bet people feel safer there and that amenities are much closer. Goat, as we watch the city shrink and dissolve in so many ways they still don't get that crime IS the problem. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1479 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.41.54.160 |
Posts are crossing jt1.Dt Mc does have that one cool old tall bldg and some other interesting bldgs as well. It is not a typical suburb in that it is quite a distance from Detroit and it has the history of the baths etc. I understand that you were jesting but on a less jovial tone how do you get people to see Detroit's downtown as even being an option?.......to some it is as if it does not exist. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2184 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Feel safer= more white folks than black live there as well....CL like alot of us have always been sayin Crime was just a small part of the equation... If you wanna keep citing that you may wanna cite all other issues as well. Crime does not just spontaneosly combust... | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7973 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.201.179 |
Actually I chuckled at the same thing but as stated it has more to do with crime than anything else. Until Detroit gets rid of that scar it will continue to lose population, therefore tax dollars, therefore services, therefore businesses, and the cycle continues. The sad part of this whole affair is that mayor & Detroit CC lay off the police! I would rather have my garbage collected once a month that have a reduction in police presence. I certianly don't want to get into the whole police accountability either...whoo! | ||
Patrick Member Username: Patrick Post Number: 3145 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.222.10.3 |
Mt. Clemens does have a “downtown” whether you like it or not. It is not very big, and is probably better calling it a business district or something like that. I am willing to bet it is much cheaper to live in a loft in “downtown” Mt. Clemens than it is in Detroit when you figure total costs including costs of living and modern conveniences. Her location may not have the typical “Detroityes-uber-hipness” to it, but still, it looked cool. The shopping selections for someone in Mt. Clemens are probably going to be better than for someone in downtown Detroit. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6311 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 216.203.223.75 |
Not if you are comparing the downtowns. Downtown MC offers nothing much beyond old lady sweaters with floral and bird prints. MCs downtown is not a lively downtown with shopping options like some would like to think. | ||
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field Post Number: 452 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
In 3 years or less, downtown Detroit will be vastly superior to all suburban downtowns in SE Michigan in all aspects except possibly retail (usurped by Bham) and maybe property crime. Not that we all don't think that that is already the case, but in 3 years or less, all doubt will be removed. | ||
Patrick Member Username: Patrick Post Number: 3147 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.222.10.3 |
MCs downtown is not a lively downtown with shopping options like some would like to think. Neither is downtown Detroit. The lady in the article is within, what, 3-4 miles of Hall Road. You can get anything you need right there. Where is the nearest shopping mall from downtown Detroit? Or shopping district for that matter? Macomb Mall is about a mile or two south, down Gratiot from Mt. Clemens. Oh well, I am not fan of malls anyhow. For most, Mt. Clemens has everything that downtown Detroit has, only on a smaller scale. True, it doesn’t have the museums or skyscrapers. But seriously, how many times can you go to a museum or attend a musical? People in downtown have Belle Isle. People in Mt. Clemens have Metro beach. It seems as if whenever new developments happen in the metro area but OUT of the city of Detroit, people rip on them. More power to them. There never ever will be that “one true downtown” in the metro Detroit area. It will never happen. We are too sprawled and too segregated for it. Your Text | ||
Mbr Member Username: Mbr Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 216.144.206.2 |
All of us support Detroit despite its problems becuase we know its potential. We are able to conceive what "could be" and it is great. With a place like Mount Clemens (or insert random other suburban downtown) it is simply impossible to think of it as someday becoming the great urban center that Detroit can be. It's almost not even worth talking about. I hope she has fun in traffic on 94. | ||
Alexei289 Member Username: Alexei289 Post Number: 940 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.183.223 |
i gotta agree that in the next 3 years, so much will be done downtown that it will make anyone's head spin... ANd btw... HAS anyone here ever LIVED in MC? If you think crime is problem in Downtown Detroit, MC will make your eyes water. Most of that town is populated by some pretty nasty white trash that are key players in the coke trade. Gratiot ave is basically the metro area's redlight district... and your shit WILL get stolen if you arent smart about it there. Atleast Detroit HAS a police department. MC had 1 cop per shift in the whole city, as of last year, even though the number of crack houses there is astronomical. They now are patrolled by the sheriff, but they still cant combat it to livable levels. So what would make this woman move there? I think that for many, the Stigma of Detroit is SO strong, that the perception of MC being a white, middle class suburb (WHICH IT IS NOT), attracts them still. Its bullshit, but perhaps Detroit can start some advertising to change this? | ||
Alobar Member Username: Alobar Post Number: 97 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.136.149.45 |
I have lived in MC. In the years I spent there never once had a problem. In the past couple years living downtown I have experienced more crime personally then I have my entire life. Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not leaving. I love the city and could never imagine heading north again but Detroit has a true, real, issue with crime. In the past 6 weeks my gf has had her window broken out twice and two days ago had some idiot try to car jack her as she sat outside my building waiting for me to come down. This is just one story; in my area alone I can tell you about many folks who have had similar issues. I understand there are many issues we have to deal with to get this city right but personally, because it’s a reality to me, crime is at the top of the list. | ||
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field Post Number: 453 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
Patrick, In large American metros, retail is certainly a suburban stronghold. Except for cities like Chicago, Seattle, NYC, SanFran, and a few others, a vast majority of a metro's retail is in the suburbs, at the malls, lifestyle centers, and suburban downtowns. So to use the argument that MC has many more shopping options closer to it's downtown is weak and not a Detroit specific issue. As far as Metro Beach vs. Belle Isle, are you kidding? I wouldn't let my dog swim in the water at Metro Beach, how many times a year does it close in the summer due to high bacteria levels? I wouldn't swim at the Belle Isle beach either, but unless your hobby is tanning and riding a lame water slide, what is there to do at Metro Beach? I'd take Belle Isle over MB any day regardless of what municipality either was located in. Alexei, I appreciate your enthusiasm for downtown Detroit, but to say that MC is a horrible crime infested place is going overboard. | ||
Tomoh Member Username: Tomoh Post Number: 47 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.40.189.92 |
I'm happy for the woman moving from her 3-bdrm house in Sterling Heights to be able to walk to work in Mt. Clemens, an anti-congestive, anti-sprawl move. I am hoping that one day a strong, urban center in Mt. Clemens would necessitate rail transit from there down Gratiot to downtown Detroit, which the woman who is moving from Eastpointe who works in Detroit would then be able to take. However, I think a lot of the criticisms against Detroit in comparison to Mt. Clemens are exaggerated. | ||
Eric_c Member Username: Eric_c Post Number: 561 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.21.62.206 |
<<<<<< SAVING FACE. PLEASE READ MY SECOND POST FROM THE TOP!!! | ||
Vic_doucette Member Username: Vic_doucette Post Number: 237 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.196.220.198 |
My friend and co-worker Trase, who has not yet been able to register on this site, asked me to post the following on her behalf: Well, as the "goofy-looking broad" from the article, I'll add my voice to the cacophony here. :D Why would someone working downtown as I do choose not to purchase a loft here as well, many have asked. Well, since I started working here a little over five years ago, I started looking into my options for loft living downtown. I even have a couple of friends that live in (rented) lofts in the Eastern Market area adjacent to my office, so I've spent time in those converted buildings. Although they have a certain "cool" factor, they also have some marks against them: a shared bathroom in one case, which is regularly left in a disgusting state by her fellow tenant across the hall. Additionally, basic utilities like water and heat have posed problems for them, even though they have paid their bills, other tenants in those buildings have not, and the way that the city has the addresses set up doesn't differentiate between tenants. So, if one person doesn't pay their bill, that can translate into multiple tenants (some whose bills are paid in full!) having their water shut off for days. I was very excited a couple of years ago when I saw the project that Joel Landry was working on behind the former Stroh's ice cream factory across the street from my office, in the former Nellie Leland School for the Handicapped. I toured the model as soon as it was open and fell in love with the place, and even considered purchasing there, with its proximity to the park it seemed like a great possibility because of my need to walk my dogs. However, I quickly realized I would not be able to afford the 200+ K price tag, and so I investigated other options. Lafayette Park Co-ops were my next focus, and while I loved the place and its modern design aestetic, my now-ex was not a fan and it was immediately dismissed as a possibility. All this time, while I considered my downtown living options, I kept wondering if I really liked the idea of living so close to work. In my field of IT, proximity also means accessibility when things go wrong! This could mean many late night calls into the office simply because I didn't have far to drive. Also, one of my friends who lives in the Atlas Building across from Gratiot Central (ostensibly one of the safer pockets here) has had a rash of break-ins and residents having their vehicles stolen right behind their building over the past few months. Combine that with my other concerns about crime as a single woman who needs to walk her dogs, and shopping conveniences, and the charm of living in downtown Detroit quickly faded. My parents live in Shelby township, and one of my brothers lives in Mount Clemens currently. I noticed the signs regarding the lofts going up there and checked into it, and decided it was the best option for me, given all of my needs. I am now working from a single income since my divorce, and so that was the obvious first consideration: price. The River Bluff lofts are far more affordable than comparable units in Detroit. I feel safer there, too, because I will have secured and heated parking and a security entrance for visitors. Due to the surrounding developments in particular, I will feel safer walking my dogs. As to the viability of Mount Clemens as a downtown, obviously it's very different than downtown Detroit, but I like each for its own reasons. I think Mount Clemens is headed the way of Royal Oak and Ferndale, and both of those cities have certainly caught criticism over the years from the same sorts who offer up the Detroit Is Superior And Here's Why You Are An Idiot or Traitor For Not Living In It argument here. But, they have appeal to different people for different reasons. My choice to move to Mount Clemens is not in defiance to Detroit; it simply boils down to being a better option for me, and anyone who would begrudge a person the right to exercise their free will in these matters it not someone I care to spend time around, and are in some parts also known as fascists. :P I still enjoy spending a great deal of time in Detroit during off-work hours or going out to great places such as Eph McNally's for lunch and then spending my remaining lunch hour at John K King while picking up some fabulous old design books or magazines that offer inspiration for my new space that I look forward to dwelling in soon. Perhaps those who want to advocate on the city's behalf should remember that they are representative of it, and the personality they demonstrate reflects on the city as a whole in forums such as this - so if you want to encourage people to spend time and live in the city, attacking anyone who realizes that it's just not going to work for them by insulting their intelligence or appearance probably isn't a great place to start. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7977 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.210.192 |
I don't believe she owes us or anyone else a reason for not moving downtown. Sure at first it was odd to think that someone who works downtown wouldn't want a loft in the same area but everyone has their own reasons. Arrogance at it's finest! | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9663 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
So, downtowns with less crime than Detroit and Ann Arbor? | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 303 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.10.63.140 |
SS, i think citylover means Ann Arbor, couldnt possibly be refering to Detroit! | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1480 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 4.229.123.156 |
Absolutely right SS.While Ann Arbor was not mentioned I was doing my civic duty and telling all who care to read that it is frighteningly dangerous here.I am sure our vehicle theft rate far exceeds Detroits and breaking and enterings HA! we have Detroit beat hands down on that and vandalism.......PLEEAAASE! you want real consistent vandalism you all c'mon out here...... About the only thing we kinda trail Detroit in is murders.........we don't have any this year.... | ||
Johnnny5 Member Username: Johnnny5 Post Number: 113 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.61.55.140 |
(Message edited by Johnnny5 on December 29, 2005) | ||
Trasenstine Member Username: Trasenstine Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 69.47.223.22 |
This is Trase, I have my own account now. Goat, so let me see if I'm understanding correctly: I have a right to make my own choices, but I'm arrogant if I offer a rational explanation for them after I see false assumptions about my reasons/motives for those choices being spread in a public forum? I didn't call names or take on airs (and if any were perceived, they were certainly not intended), so I'm failing to see how I can be accused of arrogance. In fact, I think I've remained quite calm despite the personal attacks being made against me. Now this is addressed to everyone else. Wow. I never thought participating in something positive for the community I am about to become a resident of would draw such ire from those not at all involved in it. Aren't there more constructive things you all could be doing to promote Detroit instead of ragging on a person whose choices happen to differ from your own? Interesting philosophy that some seem to hold around here - it seems as though there is a resistance to having assumptions challenged, even if they are patently false. I'm sure it came as a surprise to find that the target of everyone's insults and insinuations was aware of them and actually stood up for herself, but hey, that's just who I am. For the record, I am neither ignorant, nor prejudiced, nor paranoid, although, to read some of the comments made about me, it would seem that those are the assumptions made about me. Those who know me, know differently. I am curious how many of the critics of my decision actually live in Detroit themselves? And those that do, do you really believe that spewing nastiness/snarkiness towards anyone who doesn't make the same choices that you do about where to live really encourages other people to consider you as a good potential neighbor? Sure, you might be nice to their face, but what do you say behind their back? I'd much rather surround myself with positive, forward-thinking people than those who think that the means to promote their interests is to tear down anyone else's that they see as being different or in conflict than their own. If you want to promote the city, promote the city - like the old advertisements used to admonish: "Say NICE things about Detroit!" Calling names, criticizing, wishing ill will upon, or otherwise badmouthing the suburbs and/or suburbanites doesn't translate into nice things about Detroit, in fact, it has quite the opposite effect in many cases. It's no different than a political campaign in which a candidate focuses on slinging mud at their opponent instead of making the case for their own positive qualities and qualifications. I do love the city of Detroit and being able to work in it is one of the reasons I took the position with my company. But for me, it didn't make sense to live there. Does that make me anti-Detroit? I don't think so, but apparently some here disagree. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 305 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.10.63.140 |
well put... i think people are more upset about the "downtown" thing, not necessarily vashing you. | ||
Trasenstine Member Username: Trasenstine Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 69.47.223.22 |
Thanks MotorCityMayor.  So...if the use of the term "downtown" in reference to any Michigan city other than Detroit is verboten, may I ask how one is to properly refer to the business/retail center of cities such as Mt. Clemens, Royal Oak, Ferndale, Birmingham, Grosse Pointe, Wyandotte, and so on? Any other sacred cows of which I should be made aware? ;) | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 625 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 66.2.149.3 |
Trasenstine: Avoid mentioning "gentrification" and the lack of surface parking lots in THE Downtown, and you should be safe. Rarely have I seen the pretentious, aging hipsters beaten into submission with a first post such as yours. You did all right for a goofy looking broad, and welcome to the forum. Oh, and don't call them aging hipsters. It really raises their ire. | ||
Jfried Member Username: Jfried Post Number: 704 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.47.87.96 |
wow, Trase. way to put these smug "aging hipsters" (perfect discription, hornwrecker) in their place. there is nothing more obnoxious than the constant suburb bashing on this site, so I hope this puts the ususal culprits in check, and they'll think twice about their useless, unproductive bashing in the future. anyway, if anything, mount clemens should be praised as the only true downtown in the mass of sprawl that is macomb county. it is an urban, diverse, historic, functional city that is definitely on the right track. new, young residents continue to move to the city to rehab grand, historic homes, while the city/dda encourages unique, high density development such as the river lofts where Trace will be a welcome new resident. jt1 is right about the lack of retail, but completely wrong about the vibrancy after 5pm. There are really three phases of inhabitants - office workers, the dinner crowd, and the bar crowd. There are lulls between these crowds, but you rarely see the streets empty. as for the retail, you can find just about anything you would need within a 5 minute drive. In addition, the Partrige Creek Fashion Mall has broken ground on Hall Rd. in Clinton Township - you can bash this all you want, but Taubman could easily have sited this new luxury mall farther north, but instead this is esencially infill development which will provide wonderfull shopping, and will only add to Mount Clemens appeal to more potential upscale residents. Alexi - I try not to respond to most of your posts because you're plainly full of shit, but I take exception to this one. Have YOU lived in Mount Clemens? In that one post you displayed the typical north of hall road snobby attitude towards Mount Clemens that you get so up in arms about other suburbanites having towards the city of detroit. Your generalizations and exagerations of the stories you seen on Fox2 news are irresponsible and offensive. MC is an urban, diverse city - is there crime? yes. is it widespread, or does it in anyway interrupt the average residents daily life? no way. Other than 4 years away at college, and the past 3 that I've lived in Detroit, I'have lived in Mount Clemens my entire life. I went to public school, played sports and had friends in every corner of the city, have had several jobs that required me to spend a lot of time in the "bad" parts of town, yet, over all those years I have never been a victim, or even a witness of any crime what so ever. I think most everyone I know would say the same. There are definitely areas of the city that look very depressed, and unfortunately most of those are along the major corridors people see driving thru the city, but if you pulled off the main roads you would see that the city is full of great people, wonderful neighborhoods, and thousands of beautiful old homes. And the numbers you threw out regarding the police department are also false. When the police department was disbanded, there were still over 40 officers and there was never a "1 person shift." there were never less than eight officers on the road at a time - which most would say if pretty sufficient for a city of about 4 square miles. My point is alexi that you have been full of shit ever since your first post where you said you could have your crew of roofers completly rehab the detroit boat club ("dri-vit" the exterior and all...ha ha) in 10 days for about $500. Half the shit you say is emotional babble that makes no sense. Please stop. Anyway, sorry about the tangent. Trace - congrats on your purchase! | ||
Alobar Member Username: Alobar Post Number: 98 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.136.149.45 |
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Ddaydave Member Username: Ddaydave Post Number: 185 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 67.149.185.244 |
I lived in Mt clemens for about four years not a bad town but its not for me ..the bad thing for me is I perfer detroit but all the good jobs I have been offered over the last 10 years seem to be north of Mt clemens ..theres a couple of buildings I`ve been eyeing in detroit (new center area) but if I grab one it will be an hours drive to work one way | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 427 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.176.123 |
Trase: Welcome to the forum. I'm sorry your introduction and first posts on our little slice of heaven have been defending your decision. That's not right. I am glad to hear you're moving to a place you're excited about. It sounds like a cool development. All the best. - A Downtown Detroit resident PS: Also check out some of the other threads on the forum. This web site is generally an informative and positive place. Also, get Toolbox to take you to a FSC meeting. I think you'll enjoy it. | ||
Xd_brklyn Member Username: Xd_brklyn Post Number: 88 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.88.89.94 |
"Aging hipsters"? Seeeshh, a hipster at 25 sees 18 & 19 year olds and starts really feeling old at a very young age. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7982 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.209.253 |
Trasenstine. I was not saying YOU were arrogant but that this forum was. I think you got my message wrong. My exact post was that you should live wherever the hell you want to live. Only on this forum will you be bashed for it. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 5287 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
DAMMIT, GOAT, WILL YOU SHUT THE HELL UP? NO ONE GIVES A RAT'S ASS WHAT YOU THINK!!!! I HATE YOU. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ The above was actually posted by a vindictive co-worker using my login, not me. | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 626 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 66.2.148.61 |
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Eric_c Member Username: Eric_c Post Number: 562 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.21.62.206 |
Very funny. Here's a very special "blow me" going out to itsjeff...(m-wah!) I'm already the laughing stock here at work; thank-you. Trasenstine - I hope Toolbox explained how frantically I called him once I finally got back to the forum! Believe me...I'm one of the biggest assholes you'll ever meet, but even I'm not THAT big of one! Best wishes in your new digs. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6316 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 216.203.223.82 |
Jried - I agree that there is tons of retail nearby but not in the downtown proper. Maybe things have changed since I was there last but a few years ago I met friends there a few times and beyond the weekends at specific establishments it seemed pretty dead. If people are going to move into a city around there I think it is better that it is an older city that needs the residents and has a unique history. From my experiences the Post and Something Gs seemed to be the only packed places with the Emerald theater full for shows. Good for MC if it is different but I just don't see that area as a downtown. To me it seems like it would feel miniature withing a month. Just my opinion. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1482 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 4.229.132.11 |
I don't know if MC needs residents Jt1 but it certainly is older and interesting... | ||
Gdub Member Username: Gdub Post Number: 934 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.248.15.192 |
Before giving up on a Detroit home search because of a few tales of woe and sticker shock, I'd suggest a more thorough exploration of loft-style residential options in the city, via a site such as this: www.citylivingdetroit.com Nonprofit site that collects info on housing developments in the city for easier one-stop shopping for anyone considering a move to or within the city (leaning more heavily towards new development). Probably missing a few more recently-announced projects, but there's a lot to consider nonetheless. | ||
Gdub Member Username: Gdub Post Number: 935 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.248.15.192 |
Or, better yet, talk to a real estate agent who knows the city well and has insight on current and past loft developments and their respective pros and cons (click on the Buyers Agents link on the City Living site for names & contact info). | ||
Detroitduo Member Username: Detroitduo Post Number: 404 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.255.243.195 |
OK, my 2 cents. In one sense, I agree with JT1 that MC is not a "downtown", but it is a TOWN, nonetheless. Regardless, I think saying, "I love Urban living" would have been a more appropriate statement, because that is what it is. While, it has been over a year since I have been to MC, I found it to be a mostly barren place with mostly restaurant and bar options. Yes, Hall rd. is not far, but I HATE Hall rd. The traffic alone keeps me away from there. Regardless, Ms. Trasenstine has the right to live where she wants and this appears to be a good option for her. And I am very happy for her. Congratulations and I hope in 3-5 years, Detroit will be a better option for her and many more like her. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
Those who back a Detroit downtown would be ecstatic having the traffic of Hall Road. That is proof positive that Detroit (city of) has no real downtown... | ||
Ddaydave Member Username: Ddaydave Post Number: 215 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 67.149.185.244 |
good point Livernoisyard ..I had hallroad and that whole area because of the traffic..its much easier getting around detroit | ||
Detroitduo Member Username: Detroitduo Post Number: 407 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.255.243.195 |
No. I would be ecstatic to have the FOOT traffic downtown, but the cars can stay out on Hall rd. Detroit does not have a real shopping district, yes, but there IS a REAL downtown. Been there lately? it's beautiful. As more lofts open in the CBD we will have the foot traffic and that will bring the needed retail. BTW, the BEST collection of non-chain restaurants and bars (and you can walk between them)? Downtown Detroit! (AA excluded, because some say it is not a suburb.) | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
I'm from M'Waky where there used to be one to four bars on every residential corner and several more inside the blocks to crawl to. Big deal. Didn't ever need to go downtown for that! | ||
Treelock Member Username: Treelock Post Number: 76 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 68.77.166.98 |
I know little about Mt. Clemens aside from maybe three visits and a handful of newspaper articles that mostly paint it as an aging city struggling with finances like so many others in Michigan. But arguing over whether it is a "true" downtown is absurd, as is bashing Trase for her decision to live there. I work in downtown Pontiac and regard with envy anyone who works in downtown Mt. Clemens, if for no other reason than they have many more options for lunch. | ||
Tomoh Member Username: Tomoh Post Number: 49 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.40.189.92 |
Trase, welcome to this forum even under such circumstances. Although I think it was okay for people to question why someone who worked downtown and wanted to live in a downtown chose to live so far away, I think you've fully explained the reasons why and that the bashing from some people was overzealous and premature. But I don't think that we should self-censor any future criticisms that are fully warranted with regard to decisions that people make to, say, further sprawl in New Baltimore, etc... the kind of collective decisions that have turned the region into the mess it is now. But more people living in stronger urban centers is good for the region. Just my two cents. |
