Reetz12 Member Username: Reetz12
Post Number: 20 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 69.246.61.199
| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:18 pm: | |
I was told this weekend that the Motown Buildings and their infamous blue windows are to be torn down before the Superbowl. They are to start asap with three shifts on the abatement of the asbestos to meet the schedule. When/if this happens, what would be the ideal replacement for that property...residential? commercial? or mix? I feel that the Ellington style lofts would work, with store fronts for a variety of new stores and lofts to add more foot traffic to the ever growing residential representation in the area. |
Bussey Member Username: Bussey
Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 69.212.46.167
| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:33 pm: | |
source? |
The_nerd Member Username: The_nerd
Post Number: 279 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 192.5.109.49
| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:34 pm: | |
I guess Mr. Gordy never finalized his plans for the motown museum. That's a damn shame that Diana Ross and others can't give a few concerts to raise cash for a proper motown museum, while Cleveland (of all places) has a rock n'roll hall of fame. |
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936
Post Number: 144 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.134
| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:35 pm: | |
while Cleveland (of all places) has a rock n'roll hall of fame. Yeah, I never could really figure that out, either. |
Burnsie Member Username: Burnsie
Post Number: 374 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 35.12.20.190
| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:36 pm: | |
Doesn't surprise me, but...Who's your source on this? If the demo is really happening, you shouldn't have a problem revealing him or her. |
Detroitduo Member Username: Detroitduo
Post Number: 390 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.212.63.213
| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:36 pm: | |
If they were going to tear it down... why am I looking at all the safety netting wrapping the buildings? It'll make a nice expanded parking lot, though.... |
Ddaydave Member Username: Ddaydave
Post Number: 147 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 67.149.185.244
| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:38 pm: | |
I was walking by that on the way to a tiger game and it was wide open so I took a few minute tour ..it is in ruff shape but I still would love to see someone fix it up |
Burnsie Member Username: Burnsie
Post Number: 376 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 35.12.20.190
| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:41 pm: | |
Detroitduo-- Maybe the facade is unsound, and the netting is to keep pieces of it from falling onto the sidewalk and street. That's what was done on some of the Statler, s. end of Washington side. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 6251 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 4.229.99.198
| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:46 pm: | |
Or the netting is for asbestos containment while some is ebing stripped out. |
Adamjab19 Member Username: Adamjab19
Post Number: 588 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.47.170.119
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:03 am: | |
You know I like the building too and think it would be optimal for lofts seeing as it would ahve some wide open floor plans, but it is way to damn close to the freeway. Imagine taking someone to your second floor window and seeing the gross freeway right outside rushing by. There seems to be this big rush to turn EVERY abandoned building into lofts or apartments and I just think this is one of them that would not have worked out to well.Maybe offices would have been good but that area needs to be residential. I know that crosswinds is right along the freeway as well but I think it makes a big deal that those places aren't as tall and looking over the freeway, they are just sitting next to it. Maybe a little picky but tear it down and build some commercial property there and set the housing a little further in like on those parking lots! |
Skulker Member Username: Skulker
Post Number: 3316 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.42.176.88
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:48 am: | |
The plan for the Motown Center has long contemplated the demolition of the buildings. Their demolition is nothing new or news worthy at this point. I question the three shift abatement rumor. Could be true but full abatement and demo of those two buildings would likely take more than the 45 or so days remaining till Superbowl. There are some very good reasons the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is in Cleveland. One, they can legitimately, or at least in most peoples eyes legitimately, claim to having the first "rock and roll" deejay. Two, they were willing to pony up the cash while Detroiters can't seem to get enough together to make the Motown Center happen. |
The_nerd Member Username: The_nerd
Post Number: 281 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 192.5.109.49
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 2:02 am: | |
I've always thought that the "First RnR DJ" was a weak link for Cleveland, but whatever, they have it(it's quite nice, brings in visitors and has an excellent collection), we don't. End of story. Part of it was funded by Cleveland and the state, but I've always figured that with the talent that Detroit created that some of them could throw a few concerts and help raise money. |
Dpd_blue Member Username: Dpd_blue
Post Number: 134 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 68.252.71.233
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 2:05 am: | |
The new Joe Louis Arena would go nice there. |
Royce Member Username: Royce
Post Number: 1371 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.37.182
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 2:16 am: | |
It just doesn't make sense to me that if you want to build a legacy to Motown and its history that you would tear down a building that was a part of that history. I'm old enough to remember the Motown Building along the Fisher Freeway and its trademark "M". That building should be preserved and connected to the new museum complex, if it ever happens. Again, it makes a lot of sense, "Let's honor the history of Motown by tearing down a part of Motown." |
Detroitwonk Member Username: Detroitwonk
Post Number: 56 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.207.52
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 2:21 am: | |
Has anyone found anything concrete (no pun intended) on whether demolition is actually going to occur? Reefz-what's your source? |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 757 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 204.39.224.25
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 3:18 am: | |
I have it on good authority that all the little chicks with the crimson lips yell Cleveland rocks. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1639 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.105.245
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 3:53 am: | |
It's always sad when something along Woodward comes down. The west side of Woodward, looking northward from around where Hudson's used to be is a wonderful wall or "promenade" of grand structures, that are reminiscent of the streets of monumental buildings found in New York or Chicago. And at the end of that grand vista was the Motown Building... |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 1084 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 141.213.173.94
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 3:55 am: | |
This is very disappointing if true. |
Dnvn522 Member Username: Dnvn522
Post Number: 77 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 204.24.64.25
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:58 am: | |
"The new Joe Louis Arena would go nice there." http://img.photobucket.com/alb ums/1003/thunderalley/Motownan djla.jpg (Message edited by dnvn522 on December 20, 2005) |
Noggin Member Username: Noggin
Post Number: 34 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 68.40.107.240
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 11:32 am: | |
Wasn't Stevie Wonder going to run for mayor a few years ago. Doesn't he have any interest? |
Cushkid Member Username: Cushkid
Post Number: 26 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 136.1.1.101
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 1:49 pm: | |
Stevie Wonder says it looks fine the way it is |
Gaia Member Username: Gaia
Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 24.221.88.202
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 2:10 pm: | |
> Or the netting is for asbestos containment while some is ebing stripped out. Nope. Asbestos fibers are quite small and abatement typically takes place under pressurized conditions or with some good ol distance from non-protected peoples. Depending on what types of materials contain asbestos, you'd be supprised how fast it can be removed. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 6255 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.23
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 2:11 pm: | |
My bad. I thought someone had told me the netting helped contain larger chunks of material that may contain asbestos. Guess I will drink my glass of STFU this afternoon. Appreciate the correction. |
Gaia Member Username: Gaia
Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 24.221.88.202
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 2:16 pm: | |
I think you're right about netting holding larger chunks of material in general though...I've just never heard of it being used in / for abatement purposes. (Message edited by Gaia on December 20, 2005) |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 3601 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.173.57
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 3:01 pm: | |
HAH! I don't think so yet. |
Missnmich Member Username: Missnmich
Post Number: 470 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.186.39.150
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 4:19 pm: | |
Rock and Hall of Fame should be in Memphis! But Motown is enough of a phenomenon in itself, to warrant more than the house on W. Grand Blvd. I wish the stars from all the genres that Detroit has given to the world would pay back the city with a little investment. |
Wilus1mj Member Username: Wilus1mj
Post Number: 12 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 216.111.89.3
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 5:09 pm: | |
Why are the called Motown Buildings?? What's the history behind them? |
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker
Post Number: 581 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 12.64.55.90
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 5:39 pm: | |
Choose one of the following:
- [ . ] Tear that SCHITT down!
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- [ . ] That's not our history.
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- [X] They're destroying our history/heritage.
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Gogo Member Username: Gogo
Post Number: 1150 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.20
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 5:48 pm: | |
[X] Maybe the 100 building hit list isn't such an exaggeration. Its intersting that some argue how obsurd the mention of such a list is despite the continued demolition of buildings downtown. The riverfront buildings, three buildings in Merchants Row, new MGM Grand site, the building where Greektown Casino was going to build their permanent casino off Gratiot, a few buildings to make way for the 1001 Woodward parking garage, the Olde Building, and others. Perservationists have made a fuss over just two buildings, the Madison Lenox and the Statler, and yet they are portrayed as anti-development and obstructionists. While I have no idea whether such a hit list exists or not, a list of buildings that actually have been torn down in the last few years continues to grow. So, some will continue to ask where this hit list is, but you only need to add up the number of buildings that have been torn down, or that have plans to be torn down to see that such an idea isn't all that obsurd. |
Toolbox
Member Username: Toolbox
Post Number: 792 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.196.220.198
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 5:52 pm: | |
quote:Wilus1mj Why are the called Motown Buildings?? What's the history behind them?
It is the building Motown moved to from it's Grand Blvd location. |
Bertz Member Username: Bertz
Post Number: 474 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.61.15.89
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 5:54 pm: | |
Hay Ras, where are ya with your "Tear that SCHITT down!" crap or do I detect a double standard, that any old dilapidated building is ok so long as part of its history is black. It will be a real shame when this part of Detroit histoy is gone. (Message edited by bertz on December 20, 2005) |
Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx
Post Number: 371 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 209.69.165.10
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 6:09 pm: | |
I'd be more than happy to help out with a pickaxe. I was just asking about this land a week ago, and (supposedly) I have my answer. Still no clue as to what'll be next. Given the neighborhood (It's still Cass Corridor to me), it might be a little rough to sell off, seeing as how it's where the crackheads roam and the hookers live (don't ask me how I know that). |
Mcnamara Member Username: Mcnamara
Post Number: 17 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 204.22.230.76
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 6:49 pm: | |
where is detroitwonk, he knows about that kind of thing.... |
Michigansheik Member Username: Michigansheik
Post Number: 52 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 63.65.97.67
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 8:15 pm: | |
mmm, crack and asbestos, best way to keep warm |
Border5150 Member Username: Border5150
Post Number: 122 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 68.58.214.188
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 9:06 pm: | |
Quote: "That's a damn shame that Diana Ross and others can't give a few concerts to raise cash for a proper motown museum" ------------------------------ -------------------- No, the REAL damn shame is the fact that Diana Ross is the biggest reason Motown left Detroit for LA in the first place. Barry Gordy was bangin' her at the time, and she wanted to be a movie star. So, he moved the company to California to try and get into the film biz, and that's when things went south for Motown. I'd love to see a REAL Motown museum too, but with the way Gordy left the city, I doubt it will happen. Plus, I think it would require the support of Atlantic Records, or whoever the hell owns the Motown name these days... |
Irish_mafia Member Username: Irish_mafia
Post Number: 289 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.144.81.232
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 11:54 pm: | |
enough of Motown! For those of us who remember Motown as that stupid ad with the guy saying "but dad, its Smokey!"...its just one part of what Detroit has brought to the entertainment world. Detroit's insistence on focusing on this one genre while ignoring the rest has let the world view us as one more has been joint that invites the likes of post-life rockers from England to sing at our superbowl. So what should we be doing? Glad you asked! The Detroit Entertainment Hall of Fame. With Everything from the original Lone Ranger and Soupy Sales through Alice Cooper, Bob Seegar, Madonna and Eminem stuff....down to the latest greatest coming out of our clubs today and record labels like Mack Avenue that still are providing vibrant music...All of the live albums that have been put out using Detroit's audiences..... Great writers sections including Elmore Leonard (and the associated movies)...etc, etc.. it would blow away Cleveland or anywhere else if marketed correctly! Set it up near CBD. Along with a Bar Auditorium down the way that will broadcast "Live from Detroit Rock City" nationally syndicated on rock stations across the land.... (Pull Don Was into the picture). There is a huge opportunity if someone would actually jump on it(not me, I have a day job). |
Ddaydave Member Username: Ddaydave
Post Number: 154 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 67.149.185.244
| Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:24 am: | |
Dnvn522 could you move the joe over just a little your going to take out the comet bar http://img.photobucket.com/alb ums/1003/thunderalley/Motownan djla.jpg |
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker
Post Number: 584 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.157.70.12
| Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:28 am: | |
Irish_mafia, never happen. It makes too much sense. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 6263 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.2.149.1
| Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:30 am: | |
great idea Irish. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1645 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.3.160
| Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:36 am: | |
Maybe if we start a rumor that it is white suburbanites who want to tear down the Motown Center cuz they need more parking for Hockeytown Cafe...... maybe the uproar will put a ka-bosh onto it? I don't want to see it go.... even though it was only used for 3 years by Motown (1969-72). It's still part of OUR history (African-Americans AND Whites). |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 1465 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 4.229.132.126
| Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:38 am: | |
An interesting idea but it ignores one critical thing, the uniqueness of motown.Motown wa special in that as Nelson George wrote many years the purpose was to create music that whites could not immitate and to deliberately make "hit" records for am car radios. Personally I love the motown museum.It is so much hipper than something contrived like the hall of fame in cleveland.So whatever becomes of(if anything)the proposed motown center the museum will always be the place because that is where it all originated. |
Dnvn522 Member Username: Dnvn522
Post Number: 81 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 204.24.64.25
| Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 10:09 am: | |
quote:Dnvn522 could you move the joe over just a little your going to take out the comet bar
LOL! Everyone knows we can't put the Joe there...not enough parking. ;) |
Goat Member Username: Goat
Post Number: 7931 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.156.93.210
| Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 10:57 am: | |
FYI, the Superbowl is NOT Detroit's Superbowl. It is the NFL Superbowl and has NEVER been about the host city. Other than that good post Irish_mafia. |