Scardetroit Member Username: Scardetroit
Post Number: 50 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 68.61.196.110
| Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 3:27 pm: | |
http://www.michigandnr.com/Pub lications/PDFS/RecreationCampi ng/TSPH2.html Nice website depicting the vision/planning for the park. Not sure if this has already been posted or not. |
Psip
Member Username: Psip
Post Number: 670 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131
| Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 3:32 pm: | |
That site is awful ! who can read tiny black print on a dark green background? And their annimation is stupid, it draws an outline of the waterfront then flashes a picture for 1/4 of a second. WTF? Hope the state only paid about $30,000 for that crap. |
Llyn
Member Username: Llyn
Post Number: 1308 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206
| Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 3:56 pm: | |
30,000.00? 3,000.00 would be overpaid. The only thing that cost any money was the one graphic. |
Psip
Member Username: Psip
Post Number: 671 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131
| Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 4:00 pm: | |
I am sure it was a state contract. Need I say more? 200 for the actual work, 29,800 for payoffs and kickbacks. |
Scardetroit Member Username: Scardetroit
Post Number: 52 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 68.61.196.110
| Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 4:01 pm: | |
I was hoping to view more comments on the actual contents of the website, not so much the web-design (which I personally could care less about). Try moving past the screen splash and into the contents of Section 2 - Master Plan and Programming. |
Fishtoes2000 Member Username: Fishtoes2000
Post Number: 61 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.14.26.135
| Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 4:48 pm: | |
quote:I am sure it was a state contract. Need I say more?
I am fairly certain it was not created under contract. The DNR's web site and IT is handled by Michigan's Department of Information Technology. Since I saw this same Powerpoint presentation last summer, I suspect someone did a quick conversion from Powerpoint to these web pages.
quote:I was hoping to view more comments on the actual contents of the website
I think it's all very exciting, especially with the Riverfront and Dequindre Cut trail connections as well as nearby Eastern Market and Belle Isle. |
Psip
Member Username: Psip
Post Number: 672 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131
| Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 5:07 pm: | |
The project looks cool. Although I really want to see the DC used for transit and a LRT path to downtown. Off site parking is the only way Detroit will regain greatness. You simply can not expect to allocate 100 sq ft as working space and 500 sq ft for support (parking). As for the website, its a lot of work to just to find the basic info. Maybe in IE it works better. |
Scardetroit Member Username: Scardetroit
Post Number: 53 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 68.61.196.110
| Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 5:23 pm: | |
I'm viewing in IE, so you may be right. I believe they are reserving a portion of the DC to facilitate a potential transit line in the future in addition to the pedestrian-way. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1627 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.129.170
| Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 6:54 pm: | |
Just how wide is the Dequindre Cut anyway? |
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main
Post Number: 547 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.136.137.236
| Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 7:42 pm: | |
Here's what you do, just keep clicking section 2 button over and over again and you can see it continuously..hehehehe |
Motif Member Username: Motif
Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 70.88.106.118
| Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 8:09 pm: | |
I got a question: The boat slips in state park, who do you get in contact with to use them or is it a private yacht club??????????????????? |
Fishtoes2000 Member Username: Fishtoes2000
Post Number: 62 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.14.26.135
| Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 9:15 pm: | |
quote:The boat slips in state park, who do you get in contact with to use them
You can make on-line reservations at: http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0, 1607,7-153-10365_10884_18317-4 4255--,00.html |
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander
Post Number: 1396 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.164.127
| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 12:26 pm: | |
Bump |
Sharmaal Member Username: Sharmaal
Post Number: 478 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 136.2.1.153
| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 12:35 pm: | |
Me and a buddy just rolled in there one day. Really nice facility. I think it was 25 bucks to stay in a slip overnight. We didn't make reservations, but it was just a random Saturday. |
Eric Member Username: Eric
Post Number: 260 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.136.144.196
| Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 11:02 pm: | |
I like that they are going to use globe trading as the vistor center to good see some riverfront history being saved |
Dmb Member Username: Dmb
Post Number: 174 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.246.55.57
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 1:09 am: | |
Just curious, what phase are we in now? I think it all looks really cool you just can't tell what is done already, and what the completion projections are for the other phases that aren't done yet. |
Fishtoes2000 Member Username: Fishtoes2000
Post Number: 63 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.14.26.135
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 1:44 am: | |
Rather than rely on my memory, I found the meeting minutes from the presentation I saw back in September:
quote:Tri-Centennial State Park and Harbor Vicki Anthes, Planning Section, PRD The Tri-Centennial Park and Harbor was dedicated during Phase I in May 2004 and is Michigan’s 97th state park. The Tri-Centennial project represents planning, design, and development of its 31 acres and is the first in the highly urbanized setting of Detroit, located upstream (east) of the downtown district. Vicki stated that Phase II development will have a gap, as PRD seeks grants and other funding. Vicki explained that the park and harbor is divided into four components: the Lowland Area, the Upland Area, the Harbor, and the Visitor Center. The Lowland depicts a coastal wetland along the Detroit River. The Upland reflects the diverse mix of hardwoods native to Michigan. A pine grove is included to provide year around interest. The Harbor consists of the recreational boating, maritime interpretive elements including the lighthouse replica and the historic Dry Dock that represents Michigan’s rich shipping history. The Visitor Center will be located at the historic Globe Building site, which was originally part of the Detroit dry dock complex where steamship engines were built. Vicki described the implementation strategy and phases for transforming the Tri-Centennial State Park and Harbor from vision to reality. Vicki stated the properties that will become the park are currently in former or industrial uses; therefore, each site will be cleared and environmentally prepared by the City of Detroit prior to assignment to the Tri-Centennial State Park and Harbor. The City will retain ownership and the state will lease the park and harbor under a long-term agreement, with staffing from the DNR. Discussed potential concepts for the Globe Building to make it a year-round feature and creating a similar environment to that of the Oden Fish hatchery. The strategy for funding the next phases of the park and harbor is based on a leveraged approach that will match available state monies to other public and private funding sources. Phase 1 plus the leveraged approach for parts of Phases 2, and 3 have identified approximately 40 percent of the required funding for the overall project. Approximately 60 percent of the project budget currently remains unfunded and will be pursued through available sources by the Michigan Department of Natural Resources. Ron Olson invited the CCMPS members to attend the MRPA Conference in Detroit in February 2006 and offered provide a tour of the Tri-Centennial State Park and Harbor.
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Royce Member Username: Royce
Post Number: 1372 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.37.182
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 2:21 am: | |
Only about 1/3 of the Globe Building is going to be used for the visitor center. The rest will be torn down. |
Fishtoes2000 Member Username: Fishtoes2000
Post Number: 64 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.14.26.135
| Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 6:58 pm: | |
I learned some more today. The Globe is still owned by the City. Talks are underway but it's far from being a done deal. If the DNR successfully gets the Globe building, only the oldest portion of the building will be preserved. Apparently the building has gone through numerous expansions. All the funds used to acquire and develop this park have come from public and private grant sources. As for the plan on the web site, the planning contractor threw that in as a freebie. That explains why it hasn't received as much design TLC. |
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main
Post Number: 573 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226
| Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 2:44 am: | |
While the "vision" is a good one, my concern is the timetable for completion. The site was very hard to navigate and I may have missed the end completion date. I hope that it is completed by the time I retire in 17 years...hehehehe |
Alexei289 Member Username: Alexei289
Post Number: 980 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.183.223
| Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 4:16 pm: | |
Have they EVEN gotten out of Phase ONE yet???? Looking at what has been done and going through the phases, they havent done shit yet... Only beef up the harbor there and add some trees... Thats the EASY part.. what about the greening of all that land, plus the walkways, plus digging out the new creeks, plus the lakes, plus plus plus.. OMG... F**in GIT R DONE!!!! The state pays for all the rest of the state parks.... so PAY for the shit i mean goddam... Whats the point if it never gets done. Its like a contractor putting paint on one wall in a shithouse and saying "look at the beautiful progress that has been made".... I dunno |
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main
Post Number: 582 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226
| Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 4:39 pm: | |
I agree 100%. This project looks good...on paper so far. I just hope they start doing something so we can reap the benefits of a naturepark in the urban area. |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1272 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.40.193.105
| Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 4:43 pm: | |
Seriously, it is taking so long. How long can it take to make a whole state park? Jesus Christ, clear the land, throw down some sod and you're done! I hate when anything takes longer than a month to finish. There is seriously no f**in excuse! |
Eric Member Username: Eric
Post Number: 278 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.136.144.196
| Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 4:58 pm: | |
Do something? You mean like the silo they demolished so the park can be expand to the west. Do a little reseach Alexi before you start bitching http://www.detroitriverfront.o rg/index.asp?news=29&item=347& site=5
quote:A portion of the silo sites will become part of Tri-Centennial State Park & Harbor, a park operated by the state of Michigan. Clearance also gives way to continuing Detroit’s RiverWalk, a promenade that will ultimately stretch from Gabriel Richard Park near the MacArthur (Belle Isle) Bridge to the Ambassador Bridge.
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Alexei289 Member Username: Alexei289
Post Number: 985 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.183.223
| Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 5:12 pm: | |
ok... but didnt that take 5 years??? I know for a fact that it doesnt take 5 years to tear down silos, or even dig out a lake, make a path, and dig a creek. As a matter of fact in the last 2-3 years... what HAVE they gotten done?? It took less than a year to reroute the Clusterfuk at campus martius and put in a beautiful park. If the state wanted to rush the project along they could have. I mean.. the state will take your property if they find a potleaf on it... why cant they relocate a business to redevelop a struggling community? Last time I checked, they didnt hesitate to teardown a shitload of houses to ram a freeway through living rooms... Im sorry, but at this pace, this will take 15 years.. when the park simply isnt that big, and really not much needs to be done... other than move dirt and pour concrete.. The damn romans built the Colisseum in 7 years... before electricity and power equiptment... WHy the hell cant we make a state park in a dogs lifetime.... If it was 1 month.. Id feel differently... But this is several years now... and really no real progress.. Were not done with phase 1 of 5 phases... I dont think my criticism was unfounded. Not to mention that for something the govenor was so proud of being the first urban state park... why is there no funding... why is this so typical of the government to get all the bragging rights and then decide not to pay for it. |
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies
Post Number: 1522 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.213.80.14
| Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 5:47 pm: | |
It's not the demolition or the construction that takes time. That's all the easy stuff. The issues are the people who own stuff you need. You can't tear down a building before you own it. The cement terminals were owned by cement companies that were very happy to be where they were. They wanted as much money as they could get to be relocated. It took a very long time to work out a deal with them. It a pretty penny as well. You also can't buy or build stuff until you've raised the capital to do that. there has been a very large capital campaign running in the background. The riverfront projects just recieved very large donation from the Kellog and Skillman foundations. Have you donated cash to the project yet? Are you one of the people slowing this down by not helping fund it? |
Eric Member Username: Eric
Post Number: 279 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.136.144.196
| Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 5:54 pm: | |
Yeah but most of that just was negotiating to buy the silos the city didn't buy the last silo until April 05. Seven months from buying the final site to demoliton isn't unreasobale
quote:It took less than a year to reroute the Clusterfuk at campus martius and put in a beautiful park.
It also took about 3-4 years just to plan and raise the moeny for it
quote:Were not done with phase 1 of 5 phases... I dont think my criticism was unfounded
Phase 1 is finsih and considering the complete lack reality you seem to have when building something this complitcated I say the critisms are unfounded remember this park is 15x the size of CM Read the hisotry of CM to see how long it plan and build http://campusmartiuspark.com/history.htm (Message edited by eric on January 07, 2006) |