  Jdmdetroit Member Username: Jdmdetroit Post Number: 135 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 170.20.11.116 |
Every little bit helps: 1) Put parking meters on Belle Isle. In a lot of cities, there is no free parking anywhere near major parks. Detroit should charge a modest fee for parking on the island and put that money into maintaining the park. 2) Turn the recreation centers over to nonprofits. The city should start a bidding process now to lease the centers to those organizations that would run them in the best way. Lease them for $1 per year, if need be, to keep them open, but off the city's budget. | ||
Jmy8 Member Username: Jmy8 Post Number: 2596 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.51.29 |
One of the smartest things the city could do, and it applies to public parks as well, so it's not going to happen. | ||
Dag Member Username: Dag Post Number: 150 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.241.254.67 |
I don't know if I would be so quick to assume that the turning over the rec centers and the parks would not be under consideration. First off, you have to look at the fact that Detroit is already doing this with the Detroit Zoo. Secondly, with the constraints that we actually have I don't believe there is anything which is sacrosanct. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 579 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
One Rec Center (can't remember which one) went to private control a couple years ago (the first time KK started talking about closing Rec Centers as part of Budget Cuts). And there's an article in the Free Press toay about Kronk being leased or sold to Emmanuel Steward. So this is a good idea that's already been discussed and done in a few cases. The problem is that some folks see at as privatization. And to some folks privatization is bad. | ||
Jmy8 Member Username: Jmy8 Post Number: 2597 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.22.173 |
I didn't write "sacrosanct," I wrote "smart." You know that look that Labradors give when they don't understand what you've said? The head cocked, the ears perked up, the brow furrowed? You can almost see the hamster running on the wheel, but the dog still doesn't get what you mean? Just about every member of city council will give that look in unison if you went in front of that body and proposed turning city properties over to outside entities, even non-profits. | ||
Huggybear Member Username: Huggybear Post Number: 97 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 192.217.12.254 |
Ditto. Just make the meters the type that you put the slip on the dash under the windshield. We don't need a million ugly individual urban parking meters. | ||
Dag Member Username: Dag Post Number: 151 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.241.254.67 |
Fair enough, hopefully one of the members would be willing to break out a motown ditty when she doesn't understand what has been stated. However, since this has happened in the past and it is happening right now there are enough people within the government that will understand what is going on. If the wheels are in motion already then the Labradors may just sit and watch with their heads cocked. Hopefully that will be the case, at least from my perspective. | ||
Gianni Member Username: Gianni Post Number: 200 Registered: 05-2004 Posted From: 209.104.144.90 |
I like the parking meter idea except for one thing. In the summer on busy days there are hundreds of cars parked all day on Belle Isle in no parking and no standing zones, but I've never seen them ticketed. That's one reason why there is often a traffic jam to get off the island, because so many cars are parked illegally that traffic is pinched off at spots. If they don't enforce no parking on Bell Isle, why would they enforce meters? On the other hand I saw cars parked downtown ticketed on Sunday last week, when there was a Lions game, even though they were probably a mile or two away from Ford Field. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 437 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.245.76.200 |
Here is a patriotic plan__ white folks move back to the city you abandoned for racist reason and bring back the tax dollars we are missing. Just a thought. super d(motordetroit) | ||
Rosedaleken Member Username: Rosedaleken Post Number: 113 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 141.213.52.81 |
Super d, some of the whites probably did move for racist reasons but they're not obligated to move back, and nor are the thousands of blacks who have moved to Southfield and Farmington Hills in search of better schools, etc. If these people felt they owed Detroit something they wouldn't have moved in the first place. Were the blacks who left racist too? | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 320 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
Super D: Most people left the City for SAFETY reasons, for clean streets, for quieter nights, to be able to go to Mass without being car-jacked, so their kids wouldn't have to go to school in schools like Finney. What is racist about that? Tell me please. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6210 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
Is that why they left in the 50s? | ||
Kova Member Username: Kova Post Number: 164 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 141.213.184.173 |
no its why they left in the 80s and early 90s | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 236 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.144.93.118 |
We're not going to break through this budget problem and are doomed to receivership until our leadership tells us the truth. Here's the documented doublespeak... -Todays' Detroit News http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20051214/M ETRO/512140394 "We've been consistent in informing the council and Detroiters that addressing a $300 million budget gap would require some tough, but necessary decisions," Kilpatrick said. "These initiatives represent the next step in bringing the city closer to financial solvency." -September 28th's Detroit News http://www.detnews.com/2005/me tro/0509/28/B01-330040.htm With the city facing what is being called a $139 million "budget gap," Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick outlined a plan Tuesday for an immediate $27.5 million in savings via employee layoffs and service reductions but warned more cuts are coming if the unions don't make concessions. Yes, very "consistent." So either he was lying to us then, lying to us now, or he's incompetent in letting the self-described "gap" get over double in size, putting the city at higher danger of receivership, through not making necessary cuts during election season. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 322 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
They left in the 50's because the young G.I's that were born and raised in Detroit couldn't use their G.I. loans to buy a house in Detroit. It had to be new housing for a G.I. loan. So they went to Dearborn and St. Clair Shores and Roseville. Tell me what is racist about that? | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 438 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.245.76.200 |
///'Rosedeleken'/// Blacks are not racist__ we only act to racism//// __ some Blacks are still submerged in the muddy waters of slavocracy__ besides, we should not be obligated to give reason or solution to any of our actions due the de-jure and defacto unjustices cast upon us by american policies. We did our part in building this country--and the world unwillingly and voluntarily--we should not be obligated to give reason to any answer to the american problem. You got the power__you made the mess__ so you fix it! ///'Southwestmap'/// re-read your post and you will find the answer___you stated,"...go to mass without being carjacked..." /// there is a certain skeptism by Blacks, when you make observations like that. super d(motordetroit) | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6215 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
I didn't realize that we had hundreds of thousands of GIs. Pretty simplistic if you ask me. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 323 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
Well, as to G.I's - virtually every young man in Detroit went to the war. When they returned and most moved to the suburbs they took their wives and future children with them - so I would estimate that you are truly talking about hundreds of thousands. Not simplistic at all - a documented fact of history and widely recognized. What is "pretty simplistic" is to account the reason that people left Detroit simply and singly to "racism". | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6216 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
I believe it is a reason, and a large one at that. Not the only one. S do you have numbers of Detroiters that returned from the war in the 50s. I think you are embelisshing. 700,000 white people fled Detroit in the 50s and 60s with about 380,000 of them in the 50s. That is a lot of GIs. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 324 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
"Embellishing" has the conotation of deliberate exageration. I am not exagerating. Do you know the history? It was not like Vietnam or these later wars. Nearly all the young men went to war. That's why women entered the factories etc. To keep the country going. My father went and every male relative, friend and neighbor I ever encountered also went. I imagine that, in the late fifties there were certainly 190,000 G.I floating around. If they married that would easily account for 380,000 people leaving. However, I agree that not all the 380,000 were G. I.'s - probably. But, believe me, people did not leave Detroit in the 1950's because of racism. No white person dreamed that the demographics would become what they did in the late 60's. In fact, my parents and many of their friends moved back to city circa 1958 after selling their first houses in the suburbs. Then they left again in the early 70's after the failure of Proposal C and the subsequent closing of so many Catholic schools. |
