  Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2346 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
AP NewsBreak: Archer steps down as Granholm campaign chairman 12/9/2005, 6:57 p.m. ET By KATHY BARKS HOFFMAN The Associated Press LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Dennis Archer has stepped down as head of Gov. Jennifer Granholm's re-election campaign to make it easier for her to work with Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. "Gov. Granholm believes it's important for the city to heal from the last election, and to move forward under Mayor Kilpatrick," Granholm campaign spokesman Chris De Witt told The Associated Press late Friday. "He (Archer) certainly realizes it's important for the governor to work with all the leaders in Detroit in her re-election bid." A recount of the votes cast in the Nov. 8 mayor's race is now taking place at the request of Kilpatrick challenger Freman Hendrix, who was Archer's chief aide and deputy mayor while Archer was Detroit mayor from 1994-2001. Archer, 63, backed Hendrix by appearing in ads, campaigning in churches and making financial contributions during the campaign. He agreed in July to head up Granholm's re-election campaign but told The Associated Press on Friday that he understood it was best for the governor if he stepped down now that Kilpatrick will be mayor when the governor is up for re-election next year. "We had a very pleasant conversation and I made it very clear that the most important thing to me is that she is re-elected and resumes another four years in office," Archer said. "When I felt like I could not be helpful in her goal to reach out to everyone ... I just felt it would be best for me to step down." De Witt said the governor is sorry to lose Archer, a former Michigan Supreme Court justice and past president of the American Bar Association who ran the 1977 campaign of his predecessor as Detroit mayor, Coleman A. Young. The governor in July had praised Archer's experience and the respect he commanded and said he would "enhance our efforts tremendously." De Witt said Archer will remain an important campaign adviser and could help in other areas such as fundraising. "There's a number of areas in which we certainly hope Mayor Archer will be very useful in assisting the campaign," De Witt said. He added that a new campaign chairman is expected to be named soon. Archer said he is not involved in the recount effort and did not suggest it to Hendrix. But he added that he thinks it will help quell any doubts about election irregularities once it's completed. "It's unlikely that there will be any change" in the outcome, he said. "But at the end of the day, for those that have a very emotional concern about it, I think when all the votes are counted and they know their votes are counted, it brings everybody back together." Granholm has not yet officially said she's running, but a "Granholm for Gov." Web site urges supporters to donate their time and money to her campaign. She is expected to face GOP businessman Dick DeVos in her race for re-election. DeVos campaign spokesman John Truscott said Archer's departure was unexpected. "I know Dennis Archer, he's a very good man. So I'm quite surprised that they'd get rid of him," Truscott said. "In the end, it's the policies espoused by the governor that have hurt Detroit, not her relationship with Dennis Archer." ___ http://www.mlive.com/newsflash /michigan/index.ssf?/base/news -30/1134173354127940.xml&story list=newsmichigan | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 252 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.10.63.140 |
He's a class act. | ||
Bobj Member Username: Bobj Post Number: 265 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.40.89.238 |
Devos vs Granholm Isn't that a West vs East election! | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2721 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Not really. I hope this doesn't come back to bite me, but that's not even a competition. It will be like the Fieger vs. Engler: DBE (decided before election). Barring some huge scandal, Michigan isn't going to take a chance on DeVos over Granholm. West Michigan still has a bit of growing to do before a Westside Republican will be a viable alternative. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1338 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 70.236.186.147 |
I agree that DeVos currently has very little chance of unseating Granholm. However, it isn't because of geography. John Engler came from Mt. Pleasant and that's not exactly a booming metropolis. Still, he did reasonably well when he ran for election. There are two issues here. First, while Michigan does have some problems, she has managed to shift blame for the state's problems away from her; to the Republican-controlled legislature and President Bush's economic policies. This is why her approval rating is at 57% and climbing. Second, DeVos has not been able to articulate how he would be a better governor should he be elected. The state can't solve its budget problems, for example, by outsourcing labor to China the way Amway did under DeVos' leadership. How would he be any better as governor? The election is still 10 1/2 months away. A lot can change in that time. However, it still doesn't look good for DeVos. | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 130 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 70.228.0.49 |
here is what I think...and you dont have to agree...just discuss... could the relationship between Archer and KK BE THAT bad? or perhaps Archer stepped down because he will be appointed "receiver" or he will be Freman's DM after the recount? just a thought... :-) | ||
Rasputin Member Username: Rasputin Post Number: 3374 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.59.69 |
None of the above ...... Archer's ass would never draw Black Detroit votes!! simple. Need an example?? ----> Helmut's LOSS!! Black-atcha ..... watching Black Detroit be the pivot for Michigan electoral politics & more than a thought. | ||
65memories Member Username: 65memories Post Number: 235 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.212.173.40 |
I agree with Motorcity...Dennis Archer is a class act...far classier than the current group of incumbents floundering around. Knowing his relationship with Kilpatrick...who is far from a class act...he did the right thing by stepping down. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 631 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.20 |
MRSDaniels freman isn't going to be Mayor. Get over it. Class act? Are you kidding me MotorCity? Dennis archer ran away like a little girl from his duties as mayor in 2001, leaving us with a thug mayor (oh ya big choice...gil hil old thug or kilpatrick young thug) and 4 years of bullshit. He couldn't even muster enough support to get his chosen thug elected. Now he's a loser and Granholm can't afford to be associated with him. Class act? Christ. Do you really think granholm would make dennis archer, as unpopular as he's proven himself to be, the receiver for the city during an election year for her? You will see her sucking up to detroit and making grand sweeping gestures to the city over the next year. We will be her darlings... The only hope we have now is that kwame will actually learn from mistakes and do a better job (we need a fantastick job). | ||
Aiw Member Username: Aiw Post Number: 5109 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.70.118.93 |
Maybe the Ilitch's need his help to tear down more buildings. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2723 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Please, Quinn. You should know better. Mayors can burn out, and Archer wanted to leave before he got really bad. Coleman Young over-stayed his welcom in the mayors office, and it showed. Running Detroit has to be one of the hardest jobs in the country. I'm glad Archer left when he did. Barring some spectacular turnaround in a city, I think big city mayors should bow out after two terms if little is being achieved. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 253 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.10.63.140 |
Quinn, Archer gave 8 solid years as Mayor, an extremely tough job. He still is around here, helping out causes in Detroit and Michigan when he could have just up and left. He stepped down form this job because he knows that our incompetent mayor would not cooperate with Granholm. Detroit needs Granholm, or at least could definetely benefit from her. Your point about Granholm sucking up to Detroit is TRUE, but if Archer was still there, Kilpatrick would not allow Granholm to do everything she will in the coming election year to benefit the city. | ||
Morena Member Username: Morena Post Number: 378 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 69.136.150.132 |
Archer would've been extremely helpful to Granholm had Freman won the election but only outside of Detroit (not inside the city). Kilpatrick has already cut his deal with republicans and I believe he will put his support behind DeVos. His support could be in the form of a.) actively supporting DeVos, or b.) sitting out the governor's race. Either way, both of the above helps DeVos. Nothing Granholm does will improve her relationship with Kilpatrick. She supported Freman and the mayor knows it and now she's got to pay. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2726 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Man, the Michigan GOP must be loving this. They finally have a good crack to get at Detroit and other Metro Detroit voters, something that could help them win elections in the forseeable future. I hope people see what's really going on, and side accordingly for whomever it may be in the coming years for state offices. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1597 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.221 |
Archer got tired of all the BS associated with the Call Em Out Coalition, the ones who tried to recall him, but failed. He got tired of all those "blacker" than him who thought he wasn't "black enough". I remember Archer's remarks when he said that unlike many in Detroit, he's not one to "wear his blackness on his sleeve". This all stemmed from Don Barden who decided to "play the race card" for a casino license. But Archer, to his due credit did not play along. So it is Archer's fault that Don Barden is only a millionaire and not a BILLIONAIRE (poor baby!). And since then the Michigan Citizen has been spewing anti-Archer/Hendrix propoganda that lots of people in the 'hood think is gospel. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1815 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.20 |
Archer couldn't cut it anymore. There are two types of Detroit voters. 1. Those who vote and who always vote - regardless of who does what or endorses whom. 2. The second group is who Granholm wants to get out and vote. One reason Freman lost is because KK got those in the 2nd group out to vote. Granholm NEEDS those votes and KK's support. She needs the KK machine to get out and vote for her. Those in the first group would probably 90% have voted for her anyway. KK can give her what she wants - motivated Detroit voters. Archer is from the Freman world - and the Freman world did not materialize. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1351 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.219.103.157 |
ILD: What makes you think that Archer's role in the Granholm campaign ever had anything to do with Detroit proper. Archer has already run a couple of successful statewide races (his own for the Supreme Court and - if memory serves me correctly - he was Carl Levin's campaign manager the first time he ran). My take on the move is that Archer was never really Granholm's choice for campaign manager. After having served as mayor and president of the ABA, he is too high profile for a job like campaign manager. A good CM always fades into the background so that everyone's attention is focused on the candidate. Having Archer serve as CM for a few months was more of a way to suggest to voters that Detroit would've had a better relationship with Lansing if Hendrix was mayor. That, unfortunately, didn't work. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1817 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Frnemecek- You make some good points, however, this may be a close race for Granholm and she may have to rely heavily on Detroit voters - another 100-200,000 Detroit voters (who will vote 90% Democrat) is nothing to sneeze at. They just need the motivation to go out and vote i.e., like the last presidential election. My guess is there was mutual discussion with the Granholm and Archer camps that they needed someone who could motivate the troops so to speak - and that Archer would be unable to motivate that population segment. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 632 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
Fnemecek...state supreme court judges are appointed by the governor if I'm not mistaken. I don't think Archer ran for any race statewide, or for that matter is really known anywhere else other than our area. This is very simple...Archer's wing of the party is associated with a huge, embarrasing defeat in detroit. Simply put, granholm can't be associated with losers (not being mean here, just truthful) You can't have it both ways...you are arguing that archer is too high profile to have been campaign manager, yet he's not high profile enough to have a negative impact on Jennifer's campaign (ala his defeat with hendrix). Quite honestly...archer is only known in southeast michigan. Nobody else knows him in the rest of the state. You really think people in marquette would give a crap who her campaign manager is? They certainly wouldn't bat an eye if "high profile" archer was campaign manager. NO...Jennifer's campaign hinges on southest michigan, and in particular, detroit. She needs to win over detroit dems to win the race next year...archer is not popular here and so he's gone. More to my point...you'll see granholm with kwame like almost every day shaking hands and looking like business partners. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 567 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
Why the heck would he do that?
In 1978?
You could argue that he was known as the head of the National Bar Association. Also as Rosa Parks' guardian. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 313 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
Michigan Supreme Court justices are elected. Archer was first appointed to fill a vacancy and then elected statewide for a full term: "Archer was elected in 1986 over Caras, Clay, Collison, Ferency, Ferrrara, and Fitzgerald." | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1353 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 70.227.84.136 |
I'm afraid you are mistaken, Quinn. The governor only gets to appoint judges and state supreme court justices if and when there's a vacancy on said court. Regular slots are filled by an election. Here are the election results from the 2004 race to confirm that we do actually vote for Supreme Court justices. http://miboecfr.nicusa.com/ele ction/results/04GEN/13000000.h tml | ||
Morena Member Username: Morena Post Number: 380 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 216.45.2.138 |
Today on the radio, Mayor Kilpatrick said it would've been very hard for the Governor to work with him had Archer stayed around as CM. The mayor went to say that Archer is the reason behind the recount. It's clear that Archer couldn't stick around. However, I still don't think it helps improve Granholm's relationship with the mayor. During the mayoral campaign, I recall the mayor saying that Detroiters problems with insurance rates and jobs was the fault of the governor. One last thing on Archer. While an outstanding statesman, he has never delivered victories for candidates he endorses. While he did lead campaigns of Coleman Young or Carl Levin or Bill Clinton in the past, they were all incumbent candidates that were going to win re-election anyway. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1820 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Archer's gravitas is not very strong. Granholm needs to rely on someone who can deliver. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 568 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
And with DeVos it will be better? It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Poor delusional Kwame. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 569 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
Also, does anyone think that maybe he was spending so much time blaming the Governor in order to deflect the blame from himself? Seems logical to me... | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1821 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
The house and senate have passed his tax bill and Granholm will sign it...so he is doing something and she is ponying up something to. What has Granholm done for us? She is finally starting to reform insurance in MI. I will vote for her over any republican but I don't think she has been the dynamo we were all expecting. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 570 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
Just looking at her (and her creepy little family on their Christmas card) makes me shudder. But I'm certainly not voting for DeVos. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1823 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
HAHAHA Susanrosa you are funny. I agree with you...not that impressed with her but I would NEVER vote for DeVos...I would vote for Hendrix over him (that should get Metro riled u  ). How are the new digs in Detroit working out for you? | ||
Morena Member Username: Morena Post Number: 382 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 216.45.2.138 |
Granholm has already shown she cannot provide insurance relief for inner cities. You don't wait until your 4th year in office to start talking about insurance relief. That's why in Detroit, people are forced to buy fake auto insurance in 6 month or 12 month policies for anywhere between $30.00 and $50.00. I wonder if anyone knows the percentage of homeowners in Detroit that do not have home owners insurance coverage. Also, I wonder the percentage of mom and pop stores in Detroit with insurance coverage. Where's her jobs plan? The governor is all talk and no action. Her smiles, delivery, and so-called good looks have taken her as far as she going to get. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1356 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 70.227.84.136 |
So much to talk about on this thread. I'll start with the most egregious of the factual errors.
ILD: The race may well turn out to be a close one in the end, but the early tracking polls give her a 23 point lead over DeVos. That number may well close, but in the months since DeVos has announced his intention to run, it has remained consistent. (Article on polling data at http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20051129/NEW S11/311290002) Second, there is absolutely no way that Mayor Kilpatrick could deliver an additional 100,000 votes for Granholm. Only 230,000 people voted in this year's mayoral election. To put that in perspective, there were only a little over 200,000 ballots cast in Detroit for governor in 2002 - an election where the Kilpatrick didn't even try to drive up the City's GOTV. If Kilpatrick and Hendrix combined can only increase voter turnout by 30,000 then what makes you think Kilpatrick will be able to deliver an additional 100,000 voters?
Highly unlikely, Quinn. If Mayor Kilpatrick makes a concerted effort to improve his image on a statewide basis then that might happen. As it is, he has an 61% negative approval rating with statewide voters, according to a November poll from EPIC/MRA. For every vote she might gain in Detroit by appearing close to Kilpatrick, she'll lose 2 or 3 in the rest of the state. If I were Granholm, I'd plant the biggest "DeVos for Governor" sign I could find on the lawn of the Manoogian Mansion. A photo of that in the Macomb Daily or the Kalamazoo Gazette would go a long ways towards sealing the election for Granholm.
Actually, Morena, Governor Granholm presented her "Jobs Today. Jobs Tomorrow" proposal to the legislature almost a year ago. http://www.michigan.gov/gov/0, 1607,7-168-34960-120007--,00.h tml | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1825 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 67.101.190.144 |
Fnemecek - I don't know about the votes...what did the presidential election pull in? That is the kind of voter turnout that Detroit needs. IF Detroit voters are not excited about the governor election it may look like a primary (in terms of turnout)...If it becomes close and I have a feeling the republicans will be pulling out all stops then she will need Detroit votes. AND that means turning out those that don't regularly vote. For those voters she will need the mayor and she will need him badly! | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1359 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 70.227.84.136 |
I had to pull that up in Google. The grand total was 325,768 votes cast in Detroit. Source: http://www.waynecounty.com/cle rk/Elections/ElectionReport_1. asp That's a big jump from both the 2002 gubernatorial race and the 2005 mayoral race. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1826 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 65.170.188.144 |
So there is 100,000 voters who Granholm MIGHT need and those are the folks that KK and his team have a better chance of mobilizing to vote than Archer - who does not have a real connection with those folks. ALSO Granholm MAY have to rely on the Michigan Citizen and the Michigan Chronicle mobilizing folks. Those papers are not going to respond as well to Archer as they would Kilpatrick. Regardless we need people to vote so Granholm wins over DeVos with a strong and clear margin of victory. No more Engler wins. | ||
Morena Member Username: Morena Post Number: 383 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 216.45.2.138 |
Question: Will all of the Granholm appointees that publicly supported Hendrix also resign their appointee positions as the classy and Hon. Dennis W. Archer did as CM? | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 315 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
ILD: "Archer's gravitas is not very strong" whatever does that mean? Archer is the very definition of "gravitas" - and it is that quality in him that most of the Black voters in detroit don't like. You should look up "big words" before you use them. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1360 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 70.230.12.71 |
Morena: No. Southwestmap: Sorry, I think he was thinking that gravitas was a fancy word for gravy. ILD: Okay, so it's theoretically possible that Mayor Kilpatrick could deliver 100,000 votes for Granholm. I just don't think its' likely to happen since he was only able to deliver 120,000 votes for himself. Of course, the whole diatribe as to who is better able to deliver more Detroit voters - Kilpatrick or Archer - is a moot issue since, as I pointed out above, Archer was most likely only given the post to annoy Kilpatrick. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1829 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.105.21 |
And Archer relinquished the post in HIS words that he won't be able to help as much. Gravitas - Southwest I used it the way I wanted it to be used and I used it correctly. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 317 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
ILD - agreed, you used "gravitas" as you liked to - but you did not use it correctly. You wrote: "Archer's gravitas is not very strong. Granholm needs to rely on someone who can deliver" Perhaps you meant that Archer appears to be a heavyweight in politics and he is not (iyo) but using gravitas is incorrect there. See the following: Gravitas = "high seriousness (as in a person's bearing or in the treatment of a subject)" Obviously, Archer has gravitas - and plenty of it. Whether he is a political heavyweight is a different discussion. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1831 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Through the eyes of MANY Detroit voters he does not have gravitas. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1367 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.220.233.67 |
ILD - Do you expect him to come right out and say that he took this job just to annoy Kilpatrick? I'm sticking by my theory. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3242 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.19 |
Quinn, this isn't even close to being a reality. It never was and still isn't. Most elected folks don't talk to Archer and do not include him in their political circles. He is out of the game and forgotten. On that note, Archer got FIRED! Helmut promised Granholm way back that he would take Detroit and deliver it for her next year. Archer was to be their point person @ the state level. But like most of the promises made by Hendrix, it turned out to be untrue. So Granholm "Let Archer Go" now to avoid this issue next year. (I guess Granholm has no faith in Hendrix' theory of how a recount will get him elected.) They released this news on the slow news day before two weeks Christmas. But this was planned the day after Hendrix LOST. Archer still has no coat tails and it looks like he never will. After 8 years as mayor of what was a powerful city when he took office he has nothing to show for it except for many jobs for his friends and family he was able to broker with those who did business with the city. And Archer is still trying to pimp Detroit. Granholm on the other hand is very strong and folks now think that unless KK decides to not back her and sit out of the race, she will win by a HUGE majority in the state. If KK does not back her she will still win but it will be a closer race. No one expects Devos to come close. |
